Thread 520758098

>pope leo releases document clarifying church position on mary veneration
>the paper states that mary is not equal to jesus and that only jesus is man''s mediator with god the father
>pope warns some people are taking mary veneration too far
>trad caths throw an absolute tantrum in response
>xitter is flooded by demands to recognize mary as "co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix" and necessary for salvation

Catholic bros, what's going on with your people?
The Pope actually takes a step towards mending the rift between Roman Catholics and Protestants and tradtards chimp out and double down on their heresy.

>>520758098 (OP)
Catholics worship women.

Luther was right.

>>520758098 (OP)
>>the paper states that mary is not equal to jesus and that only jesus is man''s mediator with god the father
you can see how far the romean church as gone along in this heresy when this statement is controversial. its stated quite literally in the Bible.

It's fine and, in fact, proper to honor Mary. It isn't ok to hold Mary out as an equal to Jesus Christ. Idk why people struggle with this.

>>520758098 (OP)
>Then Jesus' mother and brothers came to see Him, but they were unable to reach Him because of the crowd. He was told, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see You." But He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and carry it out.” (Luke 8:19-21 )

>>520758325
It's never even implied that Mary was holy. You can only be holy if sinless and certainly Mary was human.
This seems to come form this idea of orginal sin and that birth itself must be sinful in order for Christ to be holy. Far too expansive view of what is sin and how man acquires it.
Like obviously there is original sin(can't possibly be conferred to God made man though), we've all fallen short of the Glory of God, but that doesn't make the act of childbirth sinful or whatever.

>>520758098 (OP)
What would a Swede even know about Catholicism? Another nothingburger garbage thread.

>>520758325
>>520758468
I think a lot of these people want to remain in schism. They're more concerned with pretty aesthetics and feeling special than scripture and truth.

>>520758237
protties are governed by dykes

>>520758098 (OP)
>trad caths throw an absolute tantrum in response
Idiots haven't even read Vatican 1.

>>520758237
>>520758615
You're both cucks that worship a jew to me.

>>520758237
Yeah, so much so that they're not even allowed to dispense sacraments or celebrate mass.
Even 4fucks bait is dogshit quality nowadays.

>>520758098 (OP)
That's one racially ambiguous pope right there.
A DNA test is required

>>520758098 (OP)
>demands to recognize mary as "co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix"
These are a minority among Trads, the doc made no doctrinal claims and simply asked people to stop using a title that requires a 40 min lecture to properly explain without scandalizing others. This is a non event even by those of us who share a particular devotion to Our Lady.

>>520758762
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://youtu.be/GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U
- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many white nations there is no separation between church and state.

>>520758762
Never said I was a christian

>>520758098 (OP)

After some of what the last Popes have come out with do you think Catholics are hanging on his every word?

there are mechanism for this situation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes_who_died_violently

Mary is a large part of RC, in no small part due to the older worships that it superseded. It's a good thing. And a good way to highlight the difference between the fag protestant strains of the faith.

>>520758098 (OP)
Like last time, catholics will trust the plan that next pope will be the one that calls a crusade. Some will speak of how it catholicism would be hardcore, but pope won't let them. Its the religion of coping.

>>520758596
Also, if you read the note, it's not telling people they can't use co-redemptrix for Mary. Simply that the title is problematic since it constantly needs explaining to most people, lest they misunderstand the use. Co-redemptrix is fine, as the title is simply implies "with Christ" (cum, in Latin). It's when people use co-redemptrix as putting Mary on the same level as Christ that the Heresy is formed.

>>520758098 (OP)
>catholicucks going against their pope-lord
prettyt sure thats grounds for excommunication

>>520758571
>but that doesn't make the act of childbirth sinful or whatever.
i know, and yet the romanist will argue forever that Mary never had any more children because they seem to think doing so would make her impure. its entirely unbiblical stuff thats been entwined in their doctrine.

>>520758596
>that pic
yeah, that shows you how bizarre romanist claims about Mary can get.

This is something I agree with from Pope Leo. Really surprised that he makes a good statement like this. Hopefully some Catholics heat what he's saying and appreciate it and not chimp

>>520758098 (OP)
>heresy.
God literally chose her to carry himself in the form of JC, but people can't praise her?
She literally made God into human form.
I'm not even a believer, but the pope's stand offends me.

>>520758923
Nevermind then.

>>520759023
Did you read the actual document?

>>520758237
Christianity would have never been mainstream without early women converts

>>520758521
this kills the "co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix" pappist

>>520758850
A true racist spots such genetic atrocities immediately, no need for further validation. The "pope" is a negroamerican mongrel.

>>520758814
Anything to keep people from seeking Jesus.
>Pray to His mom.
>Pray to the Pope.
>Pray to the clergy.
>Pray to the saints.
>Pray to the archangels.
>Pray to your spirit guides.
>Pray to Ayys
>Pray to a wall
>Pray to Muhammad
>Pray to Joseph Smith
>Pray to your ancestors.
Anyone but Jesus where it will actually work.

>>520759023
>I'm not even a believer, but the pope's stand offends me.
Just stay there.

>>520759023
Mary was human, an important figure, but you may as well pray to Abraham too if that's your perspective.
Christ is the Intercessor, Mary need not apply and I'm certainly not going to pray to her. She did not take upon herself the sins of the world.
Frankly the idolatry is insulting to our Savior's sacrifice.

>>520758098 (OP)
As a catholic i was always taught praying to saints/mary as using priority mail/find strength in their stories and other gay shit. The kvetching here shows how unbelieably jewish catholicism is. End the kikes, mudslimes, jeets, and niggers. Then the kikes and niggers again, dont forgot about the spics, and then and only then can we figure out the White mans faith

Mary isn't a co-redemptrix but she is a direct line to the big fella himself and a hugely important figure for Catholics

The reason Mary is being attacked in this manner right now is simply because the Rosary is the most powerful weapon in a Christian's arsenal against demons and the devil

The want to stop the Rosary, Mary is just in the way

>>520758762
All Scandinavian mythology is post-Christian and was devised to "sell" Christianity to underdeveloped backwater snowmonkeys.

>>520759151
I want the exact percentages.
My guesses are:
14% Ashkenazi Jewish
8% Filipino
30% West African
20% Hispanic
and the rest probably European

>>520759196
You can pray to Mary & the saints & the angels. This isn't an insult or idolatry, this is how prayer works.

Not every form of prayer is worship. Prayer is just a form of communication. And you can make prayers of non-worship to those in Heaven.

If you believe in God and have the faith, you should already know that the saints are not dead, Mary is not dead, the angels are not dead, they are more than alive, because they are in Heaven. If you deny this, you deny that those in Heaven are alive.

And if they are alive in Heaven you can send forth prayers. And this isn't forbidden because all that is being done is asking those in Heaven to pray for (you). The exact same as asking someone on Earth to pray for you. And asking other Christians on Earth to pray for you isn't idolatry.

Neither is asking for the saints, angels or Mary to pray for (you).

What is the problem?

>>520758926
>Mary is a large part of RC
I'll point out, that from a liturgical point, that the Easterns (Ortho and Catholics) feature the Theotokos even more prominently than the RCC. Among Latins though, there is a greater degree of personal devotions to Our Lady. John Henry Newman pointed this out.

>>520758098 (OP)
Roman Catholics freak out because they are ROMANS, religious ROMANS, or Marians, they are not Christians. The sooner you realize this the better, and the more you will understand why they are so retarded and make up religious stuff all the time. That is what Rome is all about, they just love their made up Roman religious concepts and their paganistic rituals and pantheon of gods.

They are NOT Christians, they do not care about the truth of Christ in the slightest, they don't care about the WORD OF GOD. They want their own made up religious concepts and queen of heaven goddess worship. That is what the Romans want. They look for any opportunity to diminish Jesus Christ, make him a little baby or someone on the edge somewhat related but not all that important to their "Christian" religion.

The Roman church is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, no matter what the pope does to try and save that church from getting too much out of hand, he too is a blasphemy, and it is an institution that has become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. God will destroy this institution, there is no way around this (Revelation 18).

>>520759568
The problem is the saints aren't necessary for our prayers when we have a direct line to God through Christ.
Prayers are communication, but you should be communing with God, not people who are in fact dead awaiting the second coming. God's much more effective.

>>520759488
>he is a direct line to the big fella himself
where does the Bible say that? why does no one in the Bible every pray to Mary or Jesus tell us to say 'Our Holy Mother in Heaven, hallowed be they name..." etc?
>Mary attacked
No....false roman doctrine attacked. theres a difference. we all honor Mary as having been chose to bear Christ and raise Him. She truly is was blessed amongst women.
>Rosary rosary rosary most powerful etc
No, again another completely unbiblical assertion and belief. Paul says to but on the whole armor of God and to pray always (to God)......he never mentions your 'most powerful' made up thing

>>520759768
>the saints aren't necessary
Indoor plumbing is not necessary, but it sure make civilization better.

>>520758098 (OP)
Praying to Mary is like praying to the angels or the saints, discussions about hierarchy or intercession is pure semantics, they are all on the same team after all so who cares. Also probably the pope was misinterpreted as usual.

>>520759568
>You can pray to Mary & the saints & the angels.
where does the Bible say that? where does it say that you can pray to humans that have died or to angelic messengers?

Why is praying to God never enough for romanists? Why is Christ not powerful enough or nice enough to save them fully and completely or can't even be approached directly, instead needed another intercessor?

>>520759787
>where does the Bible say that
The Wedding at Cana

Idk I go to a fssp ran church and no one has even mentioned this. The priests always teach that only God is worthy of adoration and you should only ask the holy mother to intercede for you not pray to her directly in the catechism classes. Seems pretty in line with what the pope said.

>>520759874
>Praying to Mary is like praying to the angels or the saints,
right, thats correct - totally unbiblical and actually taught against in Scripture (talking to the dead is a no no). Where did anyone ever pray to an angel?

>>520758098 (OP)
>mending the rift between Roman Catholics and Protestants
We don't want to be with stinky protestants!

>>520758098 (OP)
People pray just to Mary? What the fuck, that sounds as silly as praying specifically to the Holy Spirit or Baby Jesus. I've been taught that you always pray to Jesus or God in every prayer session, no exceptions.

>>520758098 (OP)
>the paper states that mary is not equal to jesus and that only jesus is man''s mediator with god the father
I've been a practicing Catholic my whole life and this is entirely normal and a widely understood concept. I have never met a single Catholic who believes differently.
>trad caths throw an absolute tantrum in response
Um, no.
>xitter is flooded by demands to recognize mary as "co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix" and necessary for salvation
This is some fake bullshit. Probably Indians on Twitter again or atheist Jews pretending for engagement reasons.

The strawmanning is so fucking tedious with prots and mudslimes. Nobody knows what they think Catholicism even is. It makes you wonder if there's even a baseline of what they themselves believe or if it's all just "open mic night" over there.

>>520758098 (OP)
>only jesus is man''s mediator with god the father
didn´t jesus give this role to Peter or Paul? Isn't the pope a mediator? wtf is this heresy

>>520758098 (OP)
>another church conniption fit because someone is worshipping a bunch of jews wrong
Disgusting.

>>520759869
Christ is "the plumbing," are you just incapable of acknowledging that it's a far better idea to commune privately with God rather than the spirits of the dead?

I hope he denounces crosses and rosseries next. Pray in the spirit directly to the source. Not to an object in your hand. Hollywood Satanists wear crosses to hide what they are.

>Habakkuk 2:19-20: "Woe to him who says to wood, 'Awake!' To silent stone, 'Arise!' It shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it."

>>520758098 (OP)
why would Mary ever be considered equal to Jesus? Catholics are a special kind of retard

I think it's because catholics see their own mothers as special and pure and in high regard and so obviously want to have Mary at the highest spot. Matriarchal worship is strong in latinamerica for example.

>>520758098 (OP)
What a load of cringeworthy bullshit

All gods are mythologies
All holy books are fictional

This is like children arguing over different aspects of a science fiction movie

>>520758241
especially about the Jews and Their Lies

>>520758098 (OP)
why do christcucks want to whorship a virgin whore?

>>520760186
>the dead
What an odd thing for a Christian to say.

>>520758762
Odin drinked cum.

>>520758098 (OP)
He's telling people what they need to hear--just like Francis did. Too many Catholics forget that they must LOVE as Christ loves. People on the internet are just extremists and overreact too.

All anti-christ will go to Hell.

>>520758098 (OP)
>Catholics constantly downplay their feelings towards Mary, just saying it's "veneration" and that Jesus is who matters
>Immediately chimp out when she isn't on equal status as God himself, exposing their blatant goddess worship
lol

>>520759488
>Leviticus 26:1: "You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God".

>Deuteronomy 16:22: "And do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates".

>Exodus 20:25: "If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it you profane it".

>>520760435
>citing (((Greenberg))) again, the same guy that said Jesus was gay

>>520759993
>totally unbiblical
Revelation 8:4: "And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel."

Also Luke 16

>>520759952
Mary was alive at the time.

>>520760197
Those are just things to help you keep track of prayers or focus your mind. No Catholic is actually worshipping the object. St John of the Cross even took away a crucifix from a man who was under his direction because he wouldn’t leave the house without it.

>>520760423
Dead is understood in this life, I'm not arguing semantics.
Are you suggesting that prayers to saints are synonmous or equal value to prayers with God directly?
Is Peter just as good as God? Should we just worship him?
Prayers should be communicating with God and if we need an intercessor(we do) Christ is there.

>>520760716
She's alive now. That's the point of Christianity.

>>520759568
When you have a gatekeeper then others will (and have) say God talks to this man, follow his politics. People never stop to think why can't I just talk to God and listen to God myself? You are supposed to ask God to give you discernment so men don't lie to you about God.

>Matthew 23:9
>"Do not call anyone on earth 'Father,' for you have one Father, who is in heaven".

>>520760689
>an angel brought the prayers of saints to God
>therefore pray to angels
No, the prayers were addressed to God.

lol@ anglo dog opinion

>>520759568
I bet you wear a cross

>>520760689

anon.. you’re retarded. you can’t read..

>>520760750
>I'm not arguing semantics.
>semantics
from Greek sēmasia "signification, meaning."

>>520760750
Christ isn't good enough, Anon. They need super cheat code Queen of Heaven Mary to bolster the prayer, making praying for each other to Christ null and void, because the struggle of man to unite in prayer is irrelevant to our yaas queen.

>>520758098 (OP)
The entire doctrine, front to back was declared by men just like him. Why do modern Catholics balk at current Popes changing things up? I thought these guys were imbued with Holy Spirit or something? You mean they're just dudes in dresses chosen by committee? Nice gig if you can get it, I suppose.

>>520760784
Neat.
Show me in the Bible, or any writing of any of the Apostles (John lived long enough, and was told to take care of Mary, right?) that describes that. Surely John mentioned it in his Gospel or one of his four letters if he was caring for her.

>>520759768
So why does the bible tell people to pray together? necessary perhaps not, but their is more to life then what is necessary

>>520758098 (OP)
>pope warns some people are taking mary veneration too far
Make it make sense

>>520758098 (OP)
why is 90% of the rosary prayers to mary anyway?

>>520758098 (OP)
Trad caths are uber cringe. Zionist "trad caths" should just go enlist in the idf to be human meat shields. Double so with prot zionists.

Marian Dogmas have ALWAYS maintained the position that salvation is through Christ alone. If you really want to talk shit about the Church (see: mortal sin) at least read Lumen Gentium first and understand the Magisterium wrote the bible.

>>520758762
All nord pagan larpers are either indian or jewish until proven otherwise. Christ is King, prakesh.

>>520761308
Because the Catholic church is a pagan cult with fertility goddess worship

>>520758237
>>520758241
/thread

>>520758098 (OP)
>Protestant misinterprets entire document and the entire scandal that is taking place
Please just shut the fuck up and let us deal with our crisis

>>520758098 (OP)
Based pope
>>520758468
Too many people are into Fatima, Lourdes and Medjugorje (the last is an obvius scam)

>>520760725
You shouldn't be keeping track of prayers like rote memorization. The Bible calls that praying like the pagens. A prayer should be a normal conversation. The rituals are getting in the way of scripture.

>Matthew 6:7
>But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions as the heathen do, for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

>>520761267
The Hail Mary is (roughly):
1) The Angelic salutation
2) An acknowledgment of the Theotokos (and by extension the Trinity) and Incarnation
3) An acknowledgment of our own sinful nature
4) A prayer request
5) Acknowledgement of our own mortal nature and declaration of our hope of Salvation.

You will also note the Our Father's use in the rosary as well as a Profession of Faith. What exactly do you object to?

>>520761363
>Zionist "trad caths"
Literally does not exist
Zionist "Christians" are all evangelical/ protestant

>>520761308
see>>520761704

>>520759545
My speculation is that it is at least 70% euromongrel. From what I've heard it's an octaroon- with some other usual rabble mixed in, naturally.

>>520758098 (OP)
abrahamism was a mistake

>>520761265
Praying together is different then a hierarchy and men who tell you what your faith is. The church is our bodies. Not a building.

>>520758098 (OP)
he's not mending with protestants, catholicism paddles back to orthodox dogma for the last 30 years because all the nonsense they invented didn't stand the test of time

>>520761887
>Not a building.
Will you midwits ever try making actual historical or theological arguments or will you continue to strawman us with the most retarded fucking positions that none of us have ever spoken in 2000 years

>>520760689
right....but that just says that the angels were taking prayers up to God...not that people were praying to the angles. you're assuming prayer to angels circularly in this case, because all examples of prayer in the Bible are actually directed to God Himself.
>luke 16
explain please

>>520758098 (OP)
I never thought I'd say this, but based Pope Leo for striking at the heart of Catholic occultism. Salvation is indeed through Jesus Christ alone.

>>520758241
>Luther was right.
It turns out that reading God's word without the biases and traditions of men obstructing it reveals God's will.

>>520758571
Actually even prot-tards accepted basic Chalcedonian doctrine.
Because Jesus isn’t merely “god in a human suit” but since Nicaea insisted that Jesus’s human suit AND his spirit were BOTH divine, therefore it creates a fuck ton of bullshit around Mary and how a human fallen woman (Augustinian original sin) can birth the divine skin suit. The lightest version of this doctrine is that of immaculate conception whereby Mary’s parents somehow had sex without fucking, but the heaviest is that Mary as Theotokos is a fourth member of the godhead. That she’s a God to be able to birth a God to earth.

>>520760784
so talking to the dead is ok then? all dead people can hear the prayers of billions of people all at once? what other super powers do you believe dead people have?

>>520758098 (OP)
It's insane how worshiped Mary is. Many people don't even pray to Jesus or God, but to Mary. I'm not even religious but that makes me sick because I know in my soul that women are inferior to men.

>>520762023
>so talking to the dead is ok then?
He is God of the living, go read the Bible

>>520761704
So what is true? The Bible or the institution that says the opposite? I was raised to pray a certain way but it wasn't until I prayed to Jesus directly, plainly and sincerely as an adult did He reveal Himself to me.

>>520762137
>Many people don't even pray to Jesus or God, but to Mary.
Literally not a thing, this is a fantasy you created in your head so that you can bring up this strawman to and "beat" it
You people are dishonest and you don't fear God

>>520762023
>so talking to the dead is ok then?
Its not our fault Luther deprived you of the Deuterocanon. It could have been worse: he really wanted to take the Epistle of James from you as well. And again, you keep using the word "dead." She and all the other Saints are with God. That's the whole point of the religion.

>>520760829
are not christian priests called father?

>>520758237
We do it so they're more happy about accepting their position as subservient women.

>>520762268
>The Bible or the institution that says the opposite?
The Church predates the Bible. We know this because the New Testament was written TO the Christians.

>>520759196
She birthed God in human form.
Of course she's higher in the hierarchy than Abraham.
She birthed and raised JC. Show some respect.

The pope is a fucking faggot. The anglican archbishop is a lesbian. The church is satanic. America is a faggot soviet union.

>>520761993
When I prayed for a sign 5 seconds later my TV froze with this verse on the screen. I had to unplug it to fix it.

>>520758762
Odin drinks semen

>>520760413
>virgin
>whore
what?

>>520762461
Then why did Jesus flat out rebuke a woman who tried to bless Mary's womb, then?

>>520762204
yeah, catholics always play this word game with alive and dead. you obviously know that by dead i mean a person who has physically died.

and then you dont answer the questions

>>520762320
and where does anyone in the Bible ever direct a pray to anyone other than God? if its so important and central to Christian practice why is it never mentioned that any follower of Christ did it?

why does the Bible, in the only place it mentioned someone trying to talk to a dead person, condemn it? why does the Bible explicitly condemn it in the Law?

>>520759768
>People who are in fact dead
This is where your theology fails because this in Heaven are not dead. Read your Bible and count how many ascended into Heaven. Mary is one of them, as is Enoch, etc.

Yes God is much more effective but this doesn't mean you are banned from petitioning those in heaven. If you go by your God is enough logic, then why go to church? Why listen to a minister or reverend or pastor or priest? God is enough. Why confide in Christian friends or family of matters of the faith? God is enough. See how that logic starts to become asinine?

>>520762204
Are the spirits in the room with you anon?
Dead mean not alive on this earth, which they are not. Awaiting the second coming and reunion with their bodies does not mean they are not dead.
You need to answer the hierarchy of prayers question, is praying to a saint's spirit(because their body is dead :)) just as proper as praying directly to Christ?

>>520762516
>>520762541
>Here's my interpretation
Nobody cares

>>520761704
I guess I just dont like having to recite something like that and minding not to venerate/worship anyone other than God. I memorised everything, recited it all everyday. But it just irks me, so I dropped it. And its just weird if you have 50 hail marys in an "official" prayer and the pope calling out people for venerating mary too much.

>>520762537
>Mary is one of them,
only not mentioned in the Bible.

>>520762615
>i cant answer the questions
you should care

>As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

>He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Queen of Heaven, guys. We're not all equal if we keep the faith, some are just born goddesses that supersede the Father.

>>520762676
>Strawman
You people all act exactly the same
You make assertions about reality and then just delude yourself into thinking that it's reality and there is no other possibility
This stems from pride, all of you are deathly afflicted by this sin

>>520762006
Immaculate conception is basically what I was taught in Lutheranism.
The contraints placed upon humans do not apply to God, in case anyone is wondering. We don't have to invent logically consistent explanations for miracles, Mary doesn't have to be holy and equally it would also to Mary's lineage too.
I'm fine with some degree of veneration, obviously the mother of God is an important figure, but the moment it steps into the realm where one must question Mary's humanity and status in relation to God, then I'm out.

>>520758237
No, they venerate them as mothers, as that is their proper place.

>>520762637
>I guess I just dont like having to recite something like that
Guess what? You don't. The Rosary is a personal devotion. A popular and widespread devotion that many have found comfort in, but its not required.
>t. A Latin Rite Catholic with a particular devotion to Our Lady.

>>520762493
Interesting. What will you do now that you have recieved this sign?

>>520762433
Catholics and Orthodox. They should not be calling priests father as it goes against The Word of God.

>>520758098 (OP)
Protestants are all about the scripture, until it gets in the way of modern day progressivism

>>520758762
>SAAR HERE'S A PICTURE OF A COMIC BOOK SAAAR

>>520762933
A stupid literal reading of this passage would suggest you should not call your father "father." That should have been a clue.

>>520758098 (OP)
Fuck that whore Mary

>>520758098 (OP)
>Literal leader of the Catholic Church: Hey guys marry is not as important as Jesus
>Catholic Cultists: REEEEEEEE FUCKING HERESY!!!!!!
this is just proves that the average Catholic and even Christian does not read their fucking bible.
If they did, they would know, John 14:6, it can not be any more clearer then that.
>>520758241
correct.

>>520758098 (OP)
well...
It got really bad under Pius XII who allowed the known Freemason Bugnini to change the mass in his dying days, so Piux XII was probably a freemason himself because changing a rite of the mass is strictly forbidden even to Popes. It was Pius XII who said that Mary was a co-redemtrix (1954), and we had to go through Mary to get to Jesus.
This would have gotten Pius XII burned back in 1430 AD. It was absolutely not Catholic. 1
But I guess folks are noticing that Mary worship is a real thing. My Priest insisted I do Mary worship to receive the sacraments. Nope. I will not sin to receive a sacrament, that is the sin of sacrilege. I worship only the Triune God and no damned to hell (literally) freemason "pope" can add a goddess to the Trinity. Father said no point in my coming to mass then.
Fine. Lead souls to hell. see how that works out for him.

>>520763095
The actual controversy is that the document basically says "stop using this term because the stupid protestants are gonna freak out because they don't know anything"
Which nobody knows about any of this unless they're smart enough to actually get into theology
The controversy is people basically saying "This stupid document didn't help, you just made it worse and more confusing for everyone"

>>520758762
Nah. Rather than drinking dead man semen and selling white people to you fucking kikes, I rather go roman on your ass.
You know what that means, don't you? You kikes never push the Roman pagans. Why is that? Because they wiped out the Synagogue of Satan in the 2nd century

>>520759161
>Noooooo only muh dead rabbi matters! Worship only him, goy- I mean, guys!

>>520763239
>Keep your worship on the down low, people are starting to suspect something is up
Can't hide forever

>>520761993
>gods word
>impressed by text
subscribe to the nytimes too there schmendrick?

>>520763239
>"This stupid document didn't help, you just made it worse and more confusing for everyone"
Its the fact that this document even needed to be made, or the fact that this is even an issue and its only a catholic issue becuase other denominations of Christianity already figured this out.
Yeah marry is great and all but shes not important in terms of salvation.
ONLY Christ, and its ONLY the catholic retards that seem to have an issue with this. The fact its this much of an issue IS the issue.

>>520762774
Jesus teachings are to help us avoid spiritual traps and detours. Hes correct we should focus on The Word of God because everyone keeps trying to twist and pervert it for their purposes.

>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

>24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

>>520758098 (OP)
>"""traditional""" catholics
>look inside
>it's just protestants that don't think they have to listen to the Pope

All the Gospels rework pagan stories, tropes, and motifs. The cult of Mary is logical. Protestants should then simply become Muslims. The very fact that Jesus is the son of God automatically places him in the category of sons of gods, like Dionysus or Hercules. The Jews (who lived in a Hellenized world) were well aware of all these stories, which are told differently everywhere, but essentially about the same thing (the father-son connection, the mother goddess having the status of Queen of Heaven, death and rebirth, etc.). So, from the perspective of Jewish lore, the story of Jesus also falls into the category of Nephilim, for it immediately recalls the legendary times when gods mingled with earthly women.

>>520758098 (OP)
>Poop Leo
My fucking sides

>>520762809
Its not so different then Sarah having Issac as an old woman. God can do anything and should be given the credit.

>>520763402
And goddess worship is one such spiritual trap, which is why God set up Mary's earlier blessing from a woman to set up Jesus's later rebuke.

>>520763363
>Can't hide forever
You literal retards already think we worship Mary
This document is about terminology, not doctrine, it was stupid to release it because it doesn't fix anything, you didn't learn anything from it, we didn't learn anything from it, it just caused us to sit here on this thread and bitch at each other, same as always
>>520763389
>Complete misunderstanding of our position
Read my comment above, this document did not help anyone

>>520759669
Today, yes.
The corruption of the Christian faith is complete.
And you're spot on, their goddess is Mary.
You know why? Because the culture changed so that women inherited from their husbands and own property. Simple as.
And women die, they can endow the church. Before they could own property, no one cared. So demonic priest like the money grubbing Jesuits who would change the faith, stabbing Jesus in the back for shekels like Judas, once again change the faith to appeal to the vanity of women.

>>520762922
The verse was Jesus knocking at the door so I let Him in and I'm learning the Word of God and applying it to my life. The results have been very positive. I also see the contradictions between what people say about The Bible vs what The Bible actually says.

>>520763622
>Read my comment above, this document did not help anyone
Read the bible and ask your self why teh fuck did catholic even end up in this place to begin with and give marry such a high status.
Marry is great and all but im sorry she aint shit in the importance of salvation.

>>520758762
You've never read the Poetic Edda. You don't even own a copy of it.

I guarantee there are at least 1,000 devoted Christians in your state that know the beliefs and history of the religion you LARP as better than you do.

>>520758762
/thread

>>520763622
You absolutely worship Mary, nobody cares about your paper shield of "veneration". Who's the first person you run to in prayer? Mary. Who are you erecting statues to kneel before to? Mary. Catholics want to hide behind the facade of "communion prayer", not even knowing that the exalted status they place on Mary would basically prime her to make the prayer 99 percent efficient, and the other prayers joining in would be like 1 percent. It's a joke, and without a doubt fertility goddess worship.

>>520759768
>The problem is the saints aren't necessary for our prayers when we have a direct line to God through Christ.
You don't.
God doesn't listen to you.
It's right out of the Bible, and prots deny it. Read the Book of Job. God will NOT listen to those in sin.

>>520762798
i not the one assuming things about poor old Mary that have zero support in the Bible. whos the prideful one - the one who just goes by the simple scripture (just pray to God, trust in Christ etc,) or the one who invents all kinds of stuff that are not only NOT in the bible, but actually taught against?

>>520762903
>a particular devotion to Our Lady.
wheres that in the Bible? everyone in the Bible was devoted to God.

>>520763727
>Read the bible
You don't even have the correct canon
Also your comment actually says "Read the canon that I think is real and then come to a similar interpretation to me, also go into this under the assumption that Sola Scriptura is true"
Your simple little statement is loaded with the assumption that protestantism is already true, which it's not

>>520763386
global warming shill says what?

>>520758596
>they're more concerned with petty aesthetics and feeling special than truth
You've just described your typical religious zealot, lars

>>520763831
You don't even have the correct canon
You're part of a man made book cult with a false canon that began in the last 200-500 years depending on the flavor of protestantism you choose

>>520763032
I only called him Dad and I was agnostic then. What are these studiers of scriptures excuse? The Bible is very clear on what's a metaphor/parable and what isn't. People without discernment will wave anything that's confusing away as metaphor.

>1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV): "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit".

The vatican says Mary is a saint for having given birth to The Lord.
Saints are blessed.
what does Christ our Lord say?

>>520763852
Find me in the bible where it says i need to pary to marry or venerate her on the level that catholics do.
Find me where it says despite the fact that the entire point of Christs death was to open the access to God to EVERYONE, not just the priestly cast and that you can directly pray to Christ any time, you have to instead pray to marry to intercede on your behalf to Christ.

>>520763681
I'm glad to hear that. God bless you, Anon.

>>520763963
>Find me in the bible where it says
No, justify your canon to me right now because we're not even using the same collection of scripture
Zoom the fuck out and look at the big picture

>>520763944
I already gave the verse, man. Catholics just swept right by it.

>>520763800
>Who's the first person you run to in prayer? Mary
read picrel and youd think so
>Who are you erecting statues to kneel before to? Mary
they really really do that. seen many times. its so sad.

>>520763811
Then what was Christ's purpose anon?
Your position undermines of the Faith.
God listens, but He doesn't need to respond.

>>520762676
>Not mentioned in the Bible.
Filled with grace, mothered Christ the son of God. Do you really think she just went and died a mortal death and was not taken to Heaven?
You'll accept Enoch & Elijah ascending, but not Mary, the mother of Christ?

Are you stupid?

>You should care
I answered the questions.

>>520763124
Blind leading the blind. Good for you.

>>520764044
>Litearlly cant justify his own point.
Anon i know im right because i have read my bible and i know what it says.
Christ parted the veil of the temple rendering it pointless to have a priest class.
Christ went out of his way to make it a point that God is open to anyone through him.
Christ made it a point that if you belive in him and him alone you gain access to heaven.

NO WHERE, in the bible does it say you have to pray to marry to get that access to him.

Jewish rat claws typed your post anon. Find Christ, Read your Bible, and find salvation because right now you are very much being led astray.

>>520763932
we simply recognize that the secondary canon is useful for historical context etc, but that it is not by any means on the same level as inspired Scripture.
and again, not a single apostle or person in the NT prayed to anyone but God. its really that simple but i know it challenges your tradition and is therefore not listened to.

>>520758098 (OP)
>the rift between Roman Catholics and Protestants
The rift between two strains of batshit nuts heresy?
Who gives a shit really?

>>520758762
And you're a cuck who worships some long dead gay rapist Jarl's harem fantasy

>>520758098 (OP)

He's right, but Mary still makes normies seethe in so many ways, especially in that she...

>carried a baby as an underage teen

Normies act like you will go to hell forever for wanting to have kids with a teen girl that you marry and stay loyal to for the rest of your life.

>>520764206
>Cannot compute that the entire pillar he stands on is being called into question
Every single time
You belong to a book cult, a man made invention using a false canon of scripture
We have been playing nice with all of you but that time is over, we will tell you the blunt truth now

>yet another thread seeking to attack and divide Christians
Reminder: this website is not the place to even discuss these matters. Don't take the bait.

>>520764132
>Do you really think she just went and died a mortal death and was not taken to Heaven?
since its not mentioned by anyone in the Bible thats exactly what i think, and it in no way takes away from Mary being blessed amongst women.
>You'll accept Enoch & Elijah ascending, but not Mary, the mother of Christ?
since the first two are said to have been taken up i believe it, and that it says nothing about Mary being taken up i dont believe it. makes things so simple.

>>520764335
Find christ anon, your missing him.

>>520764132
How about addressing this verse before calling anyone stupid, bozo:
>>520763944

>>520763386
>Matthew 5:18: "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished".

>>520764206
based

>>520764234
>We think this is the canon because we think it is
Are you serious? That's all you got

>>520763800
This.
the Council of Trent made the infallible divine rule on this.
You can ONLY ask a saint to pray for you. YOU NEVER ask them for anything, God will NOT answer you if you do.
No promises can be given by a saint if you worship her.
She can give you nothing but her prayers to God.
She cannot by pass the Judgement of the Lord (brown scapular bullshit)
She cannot stop the wrath of God the Father Almighty (Fatima bullshit).
You can't get into heaven by reciting the rosary (More fatima bullshit).
And it's wrong to compare her "sorrows" to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. What the hell is wrong with women for believing that? The whole old testament is about the sacrifice, and Christ fulfilled that law.
Tired of it. I was conned. You learn one thing in Catechism, and then they spring this pagan goddess worship on you and deny you the sacraments
It's a new thing, too. I don't think it is a coincidence that it started after Pope Gregory sold the faith to the Rothschild demons

>>520763872
No one denies that global warming is happening. The cope is that humans aren't causing it.

>>520764401
>Appeals to emotion
I love Christ, his mother and his Church
I pray you enter into the fullness of the truth some day soon

>>520764055
Believe it or not, posts are not in real time.

>>520758596
>I think a lot of these people want to remain in schism. They're more concerned with pretty aesthetics and feeling special than scripture and truth.
The Novus Ordo abandoned scripture and truth when the Vatican became inhabited with satanic apostates, beginning in October 1958. THEY are the ones in schism.
The hierarchy of the Catholic Church has disappeared from the universe. This is the central habbening of the last hundred years. It may never come back. Christ will come back. Will He find any men of faith?
Learn: betrayedcatholics.com

>>520764615
Can you just be honest and call yourself a protestant already?

>>520758098 (OP)
>trad caths throw an absolute tantrum in response
no?

>>520764678
Calling Sedes protestants is insulting to Sedes, I don't agree with their conclusion but I understand where they're coming from, things are bad right now

>>520764389
>since its not mentioned by anyone in the Bible thats exactly what i think, and it in no way takes away from Mary being blessed amongst women.

Revelation 12:
>A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

Would you like to play dumb and pretend this isn't about Mary?

>>520763800
You would never kneel before the Holy Mother of God Incarnate?
Quite honestly, what is wrong with you?
Wake up.

>>520764546
>i love mediterranean book character Chad and his superior lineage
faggot fan fiction

>>520758468
>It isn't ok to hold Mary out as an equal to Jesus Christ.
Catholics didn't do it though.
>inb4
I'm Catholic since birth, pretty much. So spare me your lectures about how you interpret what my denomination is about

>>520764740
I am insulting them. They're Prots in denial, constantly doing these mental gymnastics to pretend they aren't.

>>520764132
Christ was True God and True man.
His mother was true man, not a goddess. She had no divine power to create a True God of the Trinity.
Her virtues were to be a meek, mild and obedient woman. She was not an apostle. not chosen to teach, and like the apostles, lived a mortal life.
If she was divine, perfect and sinless then Christ was not true man and could not redeem us.
Your religion is different than mine.

>>520764843
What's your position? They're clearly not protestants, you can't just call anyone in schism a protestant, that's retarded

>>520764778
See:
>>520763944

>>520764778
20 years ago people were trashing religion on that newfangle reddit site, creating the fedora meme. Two decades later and a fedora is still a real object in physical reality. No ghosts goddesses have ever appeared among kneeling simps.

>>520758241
Luther was just like Marx. Right about the issue, but wrong about the solution.
While protestantism fixed the issues before the counter-reform, it still allowed itself to be easily corrupted and jewified through predestination shit being used in the same way as jewish pharisees used it.
It lowered the cost of faith too much, so it became commodified by the elites, enabling jewish heresies to take over. Today most americans are just practicing a diluted version of judaism. Think of the retarded obsession with creationism for example. Catholicism doesn't have this issue at all.
IN FACT the reform forced Catholicism to abandon the cursing of the jews in its mass and set it on being morally vulnerable to jewish worship in the aftermath of ww2.
Catholicism is great because it's centralized, but it needs to become even more conservative to stay relevant in the modern era. Instead it was led into the banking scam dynamic by jews too

>>520763796
>/thread

>>520758762
GIGA based..

>>520763811
No. God wants you to come as you are.
>Matthew 9:12: "But when Jesus heard this, he said, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.”

Christianity will die out. No unity, no community, elitist, hard left, gone woke, gone political, apathetic. Meanwhile the west pushes towards secularism, jews continue to jew, muslims continue to take a hard line, continue to grow, unite against a common enemy (jews, christians, non believers), force affluent lefties to bend the knee, started to gain positions of influence within communities. The writing is on the wall. Starmer would have me arrested, fast tracked through courts and jailed for this "islamophobia" "blasphemy" "inciting hatred"... which tells its own story

>>520764898
They sure aren't Catholic; just saying "We're da real Catholics" doesn't make it true. They aren't Orthodox.

So they're Protestant.

>>520765093
>You can only be Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant
Dude just shut the fuck up, retard

>>520758968
Literally is if he spoke ex-cathedra. Which would imply his full authority on the matter. You can criticize him otherwise.

>>520758098 (OP)
So... what's the issue exactly? The cult like worship around mary always struck me as a little odd. Ofc she's not equal to Christ. She's still important, holy and deserving of respect regardless. She's an important icon, a symbol for many christians whatever position the church takes. Just not equal to Christ.

>>520758098 (OP)
part of the communist conspiracy to remove Christ from all life. The third prophecy of Fatima is to return Mary to Russia and world peace will follow

>>520758762
Stop this bullshit. You're gonna fall for satanism. The only way to recover proper pagan beliefs is to mix Socrates with Nietzsche to worship the Sky Father. No heaven and hell neoplatonic nonsense, but the eternal return making redemption the main moral goal of humanity just like in Christianity, but for your future self when you return, and under the strict yet loving gaze of the Sky Father, not for an "afterlife".

>>520765188
If tradcaths are to be believed, everything is ex cathedra, even Vat2.

>>520765155
back a seperate denomination with backed theology like those three? All of the USA denominations are offshoots of Protestantism, retarded nigger

>>520758098 (OP)
Oh shut your fat mouth. I don't know any catholics that would consider mary to be equivalent to jesus.

>>520765254
>Me waiting for Protestants to even attempt to justify their canon or Sola Scriptura

>>520765335
I'm not Protestant, so I have nothing to try to justify. Now answer the Luke verse.

>>520758241
yes, yes he was

>>520765328
I see you haven't met South Americans.

>>520765297
Tradcaths would know what ex-cathedra is. Or rather they should know.

>>520765089
The real problem is that Christianity including Catholicism >>520764975 have no barriers to entry. Evey whore is entitled to forgiveness and no sashaying priest is blocked from advancement by being too obviously queer.

>>520764480
nope, thats very far from the sum of arguments against accepting the secondary canon on the same level as the inspired canon. you notice i dont even go so far as to call them the apocrypha. but they sure aren't the same as the OT and NT.
https://tabletalkmagazine.com/article/2018/01/apocryphal-deuterocanonical-books/

>>520765413
I don't give a singlular shit about south americans but you're probably right. But who cares at that point? Go to that hispanic board on 8kun and go bitch to them.

>>520763944
We are blessed for many reasons. Not just saints who shouldn't be exalted as they are.

>Numbers 6:24-26: "The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace."

>Psalm 84:12: "Lord Almighty, blessed is the one who trusts in you."

>Isaiah 41:13: "For I, the Lord your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, 'Fear not, I am the one who helps you.'"

>>520764975
You're projecting Calvin onto Luther.

>>520765297
>Sedevacantist
its a very large group but as a catholic you have to watch because theologically you teeter just becoming a protestant

>>520758241
Yes. Pic rel, thread/

>>520765469
>Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide are real but it took 1500 years to figure it out
>>520765539
Not a large group at all, most people don't even know the Latin mass exists
It's an online thing

>>520765539
Most American """tradcaths""" are in reality Protestants that like smells and bells.

>>520765500
mary came to portugal you nonce, why wouldnt the latin community find solace

>>520764871
>Christ was True God and True man
Correct. But the word isn't 'was', the word is 'is'. Christ lives.

>His mother was true man, not a Goddess
Correct, not a Goddess

>She had no divine power to create a True God of the trinity
Correct, it was God's grace she was filled with, not her own grace. I agree.
>Her virtues were to be a meek, mild and obedient woman.

None of those are known virtues. Read up on what virtues are please.

>She was not an apostle. Not chosen to teach, and like the apostles lived a mortal life.
Correct.

>If she was divine
She is NOT divine. No one is claiming that's Catholics don't claim it, Orthodox don't claim it.

>Perfect and Sinless
Yes* Asterisk on this. She was not born perfect or sinless, like Christ. But she was purified into sinless perfection later in life at the moment she was filled with grace from God and accepted Christ in her womb.

>If she was perfect and sinless then Christ is not true man and could not redeem us.

Can't be true God if the womb is sinful either. Also aren't you the one who argues to separate Christ from Mary theologically? Why do you make Mary's state of being something that would deny his 'true man' status?

>Your religion is different than mine.

I have no clue what yours is. I'm guessing protestant. And if it is, then my condolences to you. Protestantism is a heretical denomination, responsible for worldly schism, started by a fat drunk king who was an adulterer and murderer of his own wives, and it was then popularised by a heretic, Luther, who is quoted for saying "Go forth and sin boldly".

Protestants claim scripture alone, and rely on scriptures, defend scriptures and also remind everyone no one should add or remove from the Word, lest they burn in Hell.

Yet Protestantism removed 6 books from the Bible.

It's a wicked abominable mockery of the true church. And if you can't even get that right, you can't get the interpretation of earlier churches right either.

>>520764767
so everything seen as a vision is exactly literally the case and you know FOR SURE that this woman in Mary? this is an example of the schizo romanist seeking for ANYTHING to support Mary as being what they claim she is. Any mention of a woman? THATS MARY. Any mention of prayers in the context of angels? THATS PRAYING TO ANGELS.
and so on.

anon, it also mentions lots of things being in heaven. does that mean all those people were literally and physically taken into heaven like Mary? Does it mean that Mary is literally giving birth in heaven? really?

>>520765627
if you think its just mass youre not catholic. Its the entirety of the clergy interacts with the laity

>>520765615
>Luther believed in the communion of saints, the perpetual virginity of Mary and consubstantiation of the Eucharist
>Said he'd rather drink Christ's blood with the Pope than grape juice with the retards
Luther literally anathematized like 90% of modern day protestants

>>520765646
i mean you can argue the entire of nation of UK and France is just catholics with daddy issues, then were back to what the fuck was the exact purpose huh luther, fucking jackass he was, if he saw today, he doesnt pin the letter

>>520765773
Most American protestants are the descendants of the Anabaptists that Luther burned at the stake lmao

>>520758098 (OP)
1. Mary as Coredemptrix and Comediatrix has been a firmly held belief in many communities since the late middle ages. They should have clarified this in 1300, or ideally the first century. They waited too long and fucked up.
2. I don't want to be more similar to protestants, I want all protestants destroyed.

I'll let you live if you take a message to your Fuhrer for me. Tell him he who now holdeth has come.
>>520758098 (OP)

>>520765722
takes quite some gall to attack the character of luther when your own popes, not to mention those lower down the pile, have more often than not been the worst examples of humanity that could be found. its called the genetic fallacy btw.

>>520764678
Protestants have only one thing in common, they all deny the Christ in Matthew 16.
They're not even Christians. IF Luther said something that contradicted the Christ, protestants believe Luther and reject the Christ.
Mary is not my God.
Luther is not my God
Calvin is not my God.
Smyth is not my God
My God is the Triune God, God the Father almighty, the Son of God and our Lord and savior, and God the Holy spirit.

>>520765897
Based

>>520760413
Jew detected or poo detected

>>520765891
also a group of protestants too fucking weird for normie protestants, very interesting history on the sexual repression of america here

>>520764767
Revelation 12 is likely about Virgo.

>>520765769
That vision was form God, given to John. Don't compare it to schizophrenia.

>You know for SURE that this woman is Mary?

Use your head, who else could it be? Rebecca? Sarah? Veronica? Lot's wife? Of course it's Mary you dolt.

>Does it mean that Mary is literally giving birth in heaven? really?

You're doing that protestant thing where you only seem to read at face value like an autist.

>>520765001
Show flag Hershel.

>>520765865
>linear thought without logos
People stopped being religious because it stopped being useful. As the most intelligent people peeled off, the residual got stupider and stupider, so that only women and beta faggots are still fantasizing about their favorite book character.

>>520765060
You took it out of context. The sick man had faith and repented of his sins. Nor did the sick man pray, he was brought to the Lord by other people.
The whole bible is true. You prots take passages of scripture out of context and turned it into contradictory rubble. that's why you have 2000 different faiths when Christ only created One Church

>>520765950
>takes quite some gall to attack the character of luther

I don't care. He died like a Judas and is most likely in Hell. That man should not be celebrated at all. His life's work was to wound and divide Christ's church, for the sake of political and social clout. He undermined what Christ had spent His blood laying the foundation for, the Church, and Luther knowingly enacted schismatic heretical assaults on the Church.

He is in Hell where he belongs.

>>520765517
The point isn't that nobody can be blessed, but that to bless Mary for the intent purpose of birthing Jesus and to hold her in divine status for being his mother is the point of Jesus's rebuke.
>“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Mary had her role to play, just as every saint before her, and it was only through God's will that she performed it. Divinity never came from herself.

>>520765155
Lol this. Its very Jewish to make up labels for people and give them fake parameters they MUST abide by.
You believe what Christ did on the cross for you or you don't.

>>520758098 (OP)
Catholics are utter creeps. Really, where does this supremacist mindset come from, when they are OBVIOUSLY the most demonic and paganized Christian denomination out there? Literally only the ROC can come close.

The RCC is obviously not a monotheistic, Christian religion but worships a pantheon of 4 major gods (Father-Godhead, Son-God, Holy Ghost, Mother Goddess) and countless thousands of "lesser gods", like when they wear a necklace to get the blessing from some "patron saint" of whatever.

Or like how I have this narcissistic catholic acquaintance who keeps going on and on about how Pope Franciscus was an apostate because he did a ooga-booga ritual with some South American shamans, and therefore he is le bad, but when I told him Christmas is entirely a "christianized" pagan solstice festival, he went as he always does into this ludicrous mental gymnastics mode....

Catholicism is a mental disorder, I swear to God.

>>520766359
"Go forth & Sin Boldly" said Luther.

Also if you reject the trinity you're not a Christian, plain and simple. Go become a Muslim if you are so bent out of shape about the triune nature of God.

>>520765722
>She is NOT divine. No one is claiming that's Catholics don't claim it, Orthodox don't claim it.

>Mary is Queen more than any other creature because of the elevation of her soul and the excellence of the gifts she received. She is the Queen of Heaven and Earth because she is the Mother of Him who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
This is your own church's doctrine and has not been thrown out.

>>520766329
Your first sentence is true but your 2nd sentence is ambiguous
We need parameters, my dispute with that guy is that he didn't provide enough parameters, and instead was shoving people into a parameter that they don't belong in

>>520766224
Objectively, that’s probably not a bad evolutionary strategy to weed out the men with the weakest genes as they will succumb to infection and die whereas those with the best immune systems will survive and reproduce. Strong systems are especially important when living in the festering jungle swamp

>>520766456
> Catholshit nonsense
tl;dr
Also, check out this anon's post, it's for you
>>520765155

>>520766471
Everything said here is true
She's the woman in Revelation
Queens are the mother of the King, Jesus wasn't some Bong, protestants have no context on anything related to Christianity

>>520766104
>You're doing that protestant thing where you only seem to read at face value like an autist.
you say this after you just asserted that a symbol in a vision can ONLY be the literal Mary taken up into heaven.
talk about double standards.

>>520766281
>I don't care.
>about double standards
i can see that

>>520765093
A Christian is someone who follows the Christian faith.
What is the Christian faith?
Start with the Bible. There's only one, the one created under the divine inspiration of the Holy Ghost at the Council of Rome in the 3rd century.
Everything else is a translation or protestant bastardization of it.
What does the Bible say?
You can't understand the Bible without the Church.
What are the characteristics of the Church we should look for?
The church has priests who can forgive sins. You cannot forgive your own sins.
The Church has a leader in Simon-Paul named by Christ and given the keys to heaven which are Faith and morals, because ONLY Saint Paul knew that the Lord is the Son of God, to no other apostle was this revealed by the Father, just Paul.

The Church Teaching founded by Jesus Christ doesn't exist today.
There are very few believers in the Church, and the protestants, orthodox and novus ordo and even all the Sedes I've looked at are not the Church of 1545 A.D.

>>520766620
I think that "judaism" is the Whore of Babylon, but also all of her golems, and that certainly includes Islam.
I wouldn't be surprised if jews undermined the early Church and basically were the founders of the RCC, too. We know for a fact it wasn't Peter, lol

>>520758762
Pleased to be making greeting to you my fellow Aryan.

>>520766592
Thanks for using my post anon but you do not adhere to the one true faith

>>520766620
Lol so now we go from "we don't worship her" to "we're paying homage to her as a queen", which is basically on a co-equal level to the king. Unbelievable, Catholics can't even keep the story straight.

>>520758241
Luther loved and colluded with Jews before he was betrayed and wrote the book. He wanted the Jews to be welcome in the RCC. Luther is a modern day liberal: love the Jews until they do something yoy don't like (bomb Palestine, etc). You should read more than titles.

>>520766726
>Here's my fan theory
Nobody cares bro

>>520766753
Yes, and that's why they call her "Mother of God"
Because she's just a kweeeen
Catholshit mental gymnastics

>>520766471
'queen' is not a divine status. God/Goddess is. Are you dumb?

And yes she is more elevated than any other person second only to Christ. Christ is the absolute perfection, and if you were asked who in the history of all humanity has even come close to reaching Christ's level, you'd only have one option: Mary.

This does not make her divine, it makes her a human who has reached the closest to perfection, and Christ is literal perfection.

Tell me one single person male or female who hails form Earth who exceeds Mary's goodness and closeness with the Lord? Name one.

>>520766753
>You guys say you don't worship her but here's a strawman
Sigh

>>520766790
> 26 ptid
Always desperate to defend your fake "faith"

>>520766822
Didn't read. Answer the Luke verse.

>>520765254
the won't.
>>520765335
they can't.
the Bible itself refutes sola scriptura. And how can the prots say they have a cannon when there are 2000 different protestants faiths, some are good with adultery forbidden by the Lord, some good with pagans, some good with sodomy... pick a sin you favor and you can match it to a protestant religion

>>520766822
> second only to Christ
> Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist
Imagine if Catholshits actually read the Bible once in their lives

>>520762903
>its not required.
I get that. Its the exercise I picked because I enjoy reciting and had minimal patience/focus for other exercises. So me wanting to devote myself to God felt weird because 50 marys were just killing the vibe for me.

>>520766957
>Here's my interpretation
Nobody cares little bro

>>520765437
>no sashaying priest is blocked from advancement by being too obviously queer.
they were blocked before Vatican II.
Vatican II was the Freemason conquest of the Vatican was complete. Freemasons are homosexuals by their nature, of course they let their members in.

>>520766862
Then I won't read you either. You didn't read because you know you have nothing to counter with. All you have is your petty pride and stubbornness to acknowledge Mary's importance. Either pride or fear, whichever one. Maybe you are paranoid that by admitting Mary's importance you will somehow be 'worshipping' her and declaring her a Goddess lol.

Protestants and their black or white thinking is exactly like dealing with autistics.

>>520758098 (OP)
It was never about Mary; it was always about Jesus and only Jesus Christ.

>>520758521
>>520766862
>>520765386
>>520766862
Never expect Catholshits to base or explain any of their beliefs on scripture.
> Oh, wait, what? Scripture OBVIOUSLY refutes my retarded pagan "christianized" bullshit?
> We'll just change the scripture then
The Johannine Comma comes to mind. Not that I expect Catholshits to know what that is, of course.

>>520767095
It's about Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Moses, Peter
It's about God and his plan of salvation using human beings in the process because he chose to do it this way
Zoom the fuck out

>>520767010
>28pbtid
> and counting
Nobody cares.

>>520766250
Im not a prot. I'm not anything but a believer in Jesus and The Word of God. I don't go to church. I l pray to Jesus and the Heavenly Father and received The Holy Spirit when I asked for it. I believe physical churches can be corrupted and have and everyone should check people calling themselves religious leaders against The Word of God. If you value Truth more then tradition you'll find it.

>Matthew 15:14: "Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit".

>Hail Mary, blesse-
Luke 11:27–28
>The holy mothe-
Matthew 12:46–50
>ACK

>>520767071
Don't pretend I was imposing it on you just now. You've been in the thread the whole time before I addressed you and the verse was clear for all to see. If you can't even fight for your faith in truth and without fear, then that faith deserves to be trashed. This pagan goddess worship has warped your minds, it's time to break free from it.

>>520766553
Lies,

>>520766822
>Tell me one single person male or female who hails form Earth who exceeds Mary's goodness and closeness with the Lord?
what in God's name do you base that on?!
Not in the Bible. You only find it in the Papal saying after Pope Greg sold the Church to the rothschilds, and by the way it's worded it is not from the Chair of Saint peter.
They popes asked a question of the Bishops, and the Bishops answered. That not from the Chair of Saint peter.

>>520766813
>"Mother of God"
thats actually a perfectly acceptable title for Mary so long as you keep in mind why it was created - as a way to assert Christs Divinity from conception, as opposed to some other ideas about HIm only becoming indwelt by divinity later on etc.

its NOT a term meant to elevate Mary. its meant to tell you Who Christ is.

Hitler was absolutely correct about Christianity! "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity". He saw it as a Jewish invention fabricated by figures like apostle Paul to subvert strong societies, set in Jewish contexts, with Jewish protagonists, and centered on idolatrous worship of a Jewish messiah (Jesus), all as part of a "deliberate lie" to enslave humanity. Jews literally brag about it openly but most people are too ashamed to admit they were tricked into worshiping a jewish religion

>>520767288
>Here's my interpretation and now here's a strawman
Every single time
Protestantism only spread by lies and now everyone's leaving for Catholicism and Orthodoxy because people can verify all the bullshit you talk

>>520767186
you cant believe this anon... salvation is through Jesus Christ only

>Exit Velocity ready sir

>Engage

>>520767212
>Pagan Goddess worship
No one worships her, no one thinks her a Goddess. Protestant, go back to selling out Megachurches and selling Christ for $59.99 to be saved. Go back to the hosting rock concerts during church service. Go back to using snakes as a form of ritual prayer. Go back to being a heretic and stay out of the conversation regarding Mary, because if you think we believe her to be a Goddess or worship her, you're wrong.

>>520760516
>All that OT shit
Nobody cares about your Masoretic text prottie, have God himself shit on you.
>Luke 16:16 "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it."

>>520758098 (OP)
>>520758098 (OP)
>>520758098 (OP)
Daily reminder that all the "no tail" and furfag posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize degeneracy across the board.
Same trannies who shill for Jewkraine and make the /uhg/ threads btw.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990

>>520758098 (OP)
Fuck that brown POS more reasons to leave. No Mary no buy, simple as.

>>520758098 (OP)
>Trad Catholic
faggot

>>520767210
keep in mind that we told to not forsake the gathering together of the believers anon. you're not going to find a perfect church to be a part of so dont use that as an excuse. find one that is inline with the important things and start going. not every little doctrine needs to be just like you think it should be. there are essentials and there are secondary doctrines.

>>520767186
30 replies for you telling lies what you are a jew a poojeet or a mooseland. Jesus is the only way to God

>>520767453
>You can't believe this, salvation is through adhering to my fan fiction idea of what Christianity is
You don't even know what our position is, that's why every single argument with you people is us having to explain what our actual position is
We know what protestantism is and you guys have no idea what Catholicism actually is, you only have a false head canon

>>520767503
Not a protestant, and I accept your concession. You can't even attempt to wrangle with verses sourced from Jesus Christ himself, and that's a sad thing. Nobody is selling you a bad deal, except the Catholic church, and you're willingly going against Jesus's own sayings. That, my friend, is the definition of being indoctrinated into a cult, much like the Mormons are.

>>520758098 (OP)
Christcuckery is so Jewish, it even loves tunnels

>>520767577
> Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
Catholshitism is all about spiritual darkness. Catholshits are polytheists.
No thanks.

>>520766862
Well, most folks don't understand;
The Bible as assembled by the Council of Rome is the primary source.
Then the Popes speaking from the chair because the Bible says so in Matthew 16.
Then "Church Tradition"
That's it.
Not Aquinas, not Luther, not saints, not Mary; those are the only sources of divine inspiration. And one pope cannot contradict another. So if Trent says "prayers only" to saints, then you don't worship saints for promises, no Marian apparitions, nothing. Christ said he would send the Holy Ghost to Saint Peter, not his mum to children in Portugal and raise the girls above the boy. That's against the Bible and those who believe it are not even Christian.

>>520758098 (OP)
>more crossjew bickering
lol

>>520767632
>I am going to attack your character also Jesus is Lord
You people are not Christian and if you die this way, you will be turned away as someone he never knew

>>520767413

Lies. Paul himself said that Judaism is the child of Hagar (Carnal-Judaism) while Christianity is the child of Sarah (Divine-Christianity)

Galatians 4:21-31

21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman (Hagar) and the other by the free woman (Sarah). 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves—which is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

>>520758237
>>520758241
TWO trvkes on /pol/? Hell froze over.

>>520767358
Here we go with the mental gymnastics again.

>>520767742
Nice meme flag KIKE

>>520766479
The Bible has those parameters clearly. At the end of the day each of us as individuals make a choice in regards to our salvation. Do we choose to follow Jesus as a Shepherd to lead us to The Kingdom of Heaven or do we put our salvation in the hands of other men, the world and idols.

>Romans 10:9: "that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

>>520767758
>If you have a different interpretation than the one I made up then it's mental gymnastics
>Says who? Me, the infallible arbiter of reality

>>520766783
Why do you fault a man who still came to the correct conclusion, and then wrote a out his experiences so others need not take the long road?

>>520767736
Don't bother with disingenuous well poisoners, they'll just loop around another way to validate themselves. They'll throw around the word" kike" for Christians and not even give a second thought about where the word kike actually came from in the first place.

>>520758098 (OP)
Mary cult started like 700AC.
so I dont care

>>520767815
>The Bible has those parameters clearly.
No, that's why we had the Council of Nicaea and why there are 6 gorillion different protestant religions
If you could scan your eyeballs on a Bible and absorb the 1 true faith then none of this would exist

If you're not sure the Bible is the word of God watch: youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI

1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

How to know you're saved: youtube.com/watch?v=EAtR40sue5M

1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God and be saved, or your own righteousness? Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are, can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sinful condition. Romans 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

>>520763753
Look fag, if someone wants to identify with pagans that's their call. You can keep worshiping jews all you want.

>>520767649
>I accept your concession
what concession? The one your already derived and imagined in your own head?

>Willingly going against Jesus' own sayings. Tell that to the protestants.

"You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you".

Deuteronomy 4:2.

If your Bible is missing 6 books, consider your denomination heretical. It's the quickest way to test whether or not your church is in heresy. And the beauty of this test is it appeals to sola scriptura directly, because it pertains to scripture and is commanded in scripture and if six books of scripture is removed, then you are dealing with a heretical denomination.

So tell us about your Bible, brother. Got any missing books?

2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

2 John 1:8-9 "Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)

"And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." (Romans 5:11)


"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)

"And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." (Romans 5:11)

Ephesians 4:30
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."


Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

>>520767894
Doubt. I'm 100% sure that the Mary worship existed in ancient Rome prior to the Council of Nicaea in form of Venus worship, and prior to that in the Mediterranean in the form of worship of Isis, Artemis and Astarte.
There were always degenerate queers with mommy issues that needed a mommy god. Catholshits are no different today.

>>520767041
Or, you know, worshiping idealized men attracts queers.

>>520768140
>Here's my personal fan fiction
Very nice, anon
We'll put it on a fridge with a magnet

>>520766633
>The church has priests who can forgive sins.
No. We can forgive each other for sins committed against us. God forgives us for sins we commit against Him by repentance. A priest can't forgive a dispute between me and another person or between me and God.

>Ephesians 4:32: "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you".

>Colossians 3:13: "Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you".

>Matthew 6:14-15: "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins".

>>520768140
>Venus Artemis Astarte

???? Why do protestants stoop to gnostic levels of schizo to find reasons to throw mud at Mary and Catholicism?

>>520767503
so its not in indication of worship to kneel before things? What about when John knelt before that angel? what did that angel have to say about it? what else does the bible say about kneeling?

https://www.openbible.info/topics/kneeling

>>520758325
>the paper states that mary is not equal to jesus and that only jesus is man''s mediator with god the father
I am a cradle Catholic and have never heard of such an idea that Mary is equal to Jesus. Where the hell did this come from?

>>520767861

Yes, I cannot fathom the mental gymnastics of people calling Christians as Jews when Christian scripture vehemently condemns the Jews for their greed, avarice, and Satanism in every book of the New Testament.

>>520758762
based
shills and kikes will seethe

>>520768165
The ideals that make Christ attractive are attributes, such as him being compassionate, kind, selfless, obedient, merciful, forgiving, loving, good, caring, honest, truthful, peaceable, meek, committed, patient, self-controlled, and humble. Not his physical appearance, that only matters to closeted homos like you.

>>520767674
im not saying go to a roman church anon. they clearly differ on essential doctrines.

>Catholshits are polytheists.
i hope you dont mean the Trinity, because then you would be incorrect

>>520768262
>Where the hell did this come from?
The imaginations of protestants

>>520768242
> protestants
moron. Read this, and know that when this anon says "retard", he means you
>>520765155

>>520766957
John the Baptist would have been an amazing shit poster.

>But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the [divine] wrath and judgment to come?

>>520768336
The interaction you have with that schizo is the same type of feeling we have talking to you (I don't mean this as an insult, I am trying to have a small moment of comradery of us kind of knowing what each other is feeling)

>>520768336
They literally have a patron saint for anything under the sun that they pray to. If that isn't polytheism, I don't know what is.

>>520767758
nope. thats where the term came from and thats what it was created to do. its not saying anything about Mary at all actually. Its all about Jesus. Just look up where the term Theotokos came from in the first place.

>>520767953
sinner disagree sometimes. sometimes a heretic spreads false doctrine. thats the reason 1st Nicea happened. it was pretty much all to do with the Arian controversy, and they tacked on a few ecclesiastical rules on since so m any people where together all at once.

>>520768499
>I don't know what is.
You don't know what is

>>520768434
Anything that isn’t Catholic or Orthodox is protestant as protestant derived as far as I’m concerned. No I don’t care if you identify as a moonie or a quaker or a church of science type, same protestant foundation, same defiance against the Church fathers. Same protestant spirit. Heretical

>>520768262
please feel free to explain what the terms mean then, and where in the Bible such things are taught.

>>520768445
i dont think thats at all right.

>>520768651
Boy are you going to be surprised about what happens next.
You are not ready for it. At all.

>>520767521
You are calling the scriptures shit.
>Jew spotted

>>520768700
What terms? Co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix? I have never heard of these words until yesterday from this news.

>>520767577
I grew up going to Church. I felt nothing because the Spirit wasn't in that building. I feel something now when I pray with my family every night.

>>520768288
Calls Christ a Jew...

Ignores the fact that his maternal lineage isn't even pure Jewish. Mary's ancestors include the non Jewish Moabite woman, Ruth; in addition Cherethites and Pelethites who were Philistines that descended from Greeks who were Royal Guards appointed by King David as King David fled to the Philistines when King Saul wanted to kill him, also gave their ancestry to Mary too, hence the Greek European component is responsible for Jesus' blondism.

Not to mention Jesus is the Gospel of John is referred to as the Greek Logos incarnate.

>>520768499
>saints are polytheism

You are extremely idiotic, truly. Polytheism has to do with multiple Gods. Saints are not Gods. Ergo no polytheism.

Its like you exaggerate the aspects of theologies you dislike on purpose or something. Like when a woman exaggerates. You argue like a woman.

>>520768436
A historical event that never happened due to being three centuries apart is a dialogue between John the Baptist and Diogenes.
Would have been amazing.

>>520768818
These are theological terms that aren't necessary for anyone unless they're actually into studying theology
The news was a document that said "stop using these terms because protestants don't know shit" and it immediately backfired because now everyone's in here chimping out while nobody here has learned anything

>>520768818
oh. well, just because you dont know about them doesn't mean they are not important teachings in your church anon. might be to time to get a handle on the group you're a member of.

>>520768862
so go somewhere else?

>>520768862
I feel something now when I pray with my family every night. You have found the one, true authority:
>>520768771
> scriptures
And the one true direct line to God: prayer.

God bless you and your family.

>>520768944
> I pray to them
> but I don't call them gods
> that means it isn't worship
You're the idiot, trust me.

>>520769079
>Protestants have no method of worship so they think prayer is worship
Every single time

>>520760516
Carved Idols are banned? Really? That's why the Ark of the Covenant has images of Carved golden angels called Cherubims in it and the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem have carved images of lions, angels, and various animals. LOL!

>>520768987
You’re the most disingenuous charlatan i’ve seen in a while on this board. You don’t attend Catholic mass or Catholic churches yet you claim to know what the culture is and the occurrences of what beliefs are shared or not. You contemptuous dog.

I have never heard of this co-redemptrix crap either and I’ve been catholic for over thirty years and have regularly been in and around church circles. I didnt hear about this till this article either. Not a single person ive known has ever said “Mary is co-redeemer”.

If I heard that before id instantly assume its a feminist agenda or something. Some heretical crap to possibly justify female priests.

Anyway stop posting about stuff you proudly claim to not want to know of.

>>520768961
>The news was a document that said "stop using these terms because protestants don't know shit" and it immediately backfired because now everyone's in here chimping out while nobody here has learned anything
Yeah, I knew the Pope said these terms were not wrong just by reading the articles. He advised not to use them, because people could be confused, which to me is a sad state of affairs when we cannot express the truth because SOME PEOPLE might not understand it. Sounds very Jewish to me.

>>520768987
Fuck off.

>>520769131
>i kneel before a statue of something
>i pray to the being the statue represents
>its not worship bro
come on anon. both of these acts are acts of worship. they presume a whole host of things about the subject that to deny its worship is absolutely self deception. the bible itself marks these things out as worship because they belong to God alone.

Before you judge this or any situation involving Rome and the Pope understand this: That there is a large portion of "E-Catholics" who have had their entire formation online and through "So called Catholic" e-celebs. It is actually quite similar to the ranks of /pol/ where half of the people you talk to here are just parrots for their particular online "influencers" and bound to their masters personal ideologies. Think of Richard Spencerites, Jordan Petersoners, Andrew Taters, and so on... All their views are bound up in what their "influencers" said and they, true to the name, are "followers".
In "the E-Catholic sphere" there are a few decent priests and a few decent laity e-celebs, but they are mostly unknown as they deal in non-controversial issues and merely inform and expect you to do your own work to obtain a proper education and formation. The big names are generally recently converted shills paid to promote controversy where there is none. The primary vibe is "being anti-pope". These are Catholic e-celebs who make a living online judging the Church and the Pope on every word he says, that was big business during Francis but since he died they have gone into overtime trying to frame Leo as a controversial figure in order to keep their business model alive (they do not teach doctrine, every episode is about how "its over", and they wouldn't know how to entertain their flocks otherwise). The other major group is basically post-groypers who have developed an Antagonistic-Catholic vibe where everything is about trolling women for showing ankle, they are rigid idiots and their views increasingly incorrect as they are developed from within their network and by personal interpretation trying to be more based than the next. The last major group is sedevacantists boomers who hold onto the shills coattails thinking they are finally being listened to. They are all complete fake and gay retards. Be careful of who you listen to online, they serve big tasty nothingburgers.

>>520769390
>Protestants go pray in their closet and then end up worshipping their dry wall
Wow Protestants are drywall worshippers