Thread 520933685

So, i decided i want to become a Christian but i dont know which church to go.
Catholic or Evangelical? And why?

>>520933685 (OP)
You can't become a Cathar because the Catholics killed every single one of them in the first crusade.
I wonder why they did that?

>>520933772
Wut?

Orthodoxy.

>>520933685 (OP)

just go to churches till you find one that connects you to God and good people

>>520933685 (OP)
Catholic or orthodox. Theological reasons aside, both are less.. solipsistic than evangelicals, memeflaggot-kun. If you're genuinely curious go check out the history of the early church, the first 400 years were -wild-. Both are basically the same thing outside some minor theological considerations and differing traditions. The orthodox never watered down their traditions either, though they don't expect you to live up to them. The catholics do but are much less strict. The catholics have more structure, the orthodox are more pastoral.

If you want a giggle, put on your running shoes, find the crankiest greek orthodox priest you can find and tell him the filioque seems a bit overblown as a reason for a split and mount athos a waste of space.

>>520933685 (OP)
There is one orthodox church, we have retained the fullness of faith, we have been unchanged for truth is eternal for truth is Christ logos the son of God.
Who is to say that doctrines can change and develop? Is faith but a matter of societal convenience for you if you believe this?
Think, the gospel and the divine liturgy have been carefully and directly given to us by the apostles for they knew Christ in flesh.
How can western Catholics claim orthodoxy when they admit that filioque was a unilateral addition not existent in the first church, how can protestants claim adherence to the gospels when they plainly ignore the institutional church as described to us by the apostles such as Paul's letters.

>>520933685 (OP)
Neither, go for real Christianity.
https://youtu.be/SLK5CdR0ojc

Catholicism

If you reject the current pope, you can be a Sedevacantist Catholic and practice the Latin Rite.

Why Catholic? You get a bunch of saints who you can ask to pray on your behalf, including Mary herself. It’s not the same as praying to them, which is obviously heretical. But you can ask them to pray for you and it gives you blessings. Pray the rosary, take communion, etc. and you will gain holy superpowers.

>>520933685 (OP)
Ask god... and when he doesn't respond, that's your answer

>>520933685 (OP)
Catholic

>>520934761
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://youtu.be/GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U
- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many white nations there is no separation between church and state.

>>520934686
Sounds like paganism to me. Too many saints.

>>520933685 (OP)
Christians don't go to churches they go to Synagogues

>>520934267
>>520933685 (OP)
Oh, and track down a copy of the philokalia. It's an orthodox text, but regardless of your actual opinion on their church it's broadly applicable to anyone actually interested in the state of their soul. Mostly. Some of it is cope. The old testament is fun to read comparatively with the quran because most of 'the jews are at it again!' Is preserved in both. Nt is the meat of the message of Jesus.

If you aren't a shillposter and take two things away from this thread, let it be to talk to an actual priest - maybe even a bishop, if one had a slot in his appointment book - and that humility is perhaps the greatest virtue from which all others will spring. Faith doesn't have to be some roaring fire that springs into being, it can just be this quiet little trust you find in yourself having developed over years, something that's buoyed you along without even realising it.

>>520933685 (OP)
Catholic if you’re a shitskin. Otherwise, Baptist, of course.

>>520935450
Zion is in Israel bud.

>>520933685 (OP)
First, religion is a scam. You are better to start gambling or pickup a cool new hobby. But if you must.. go Catholic, if for no other reason than Evangelicals are fucking low-IQ morons, many poor because of dumb decisions in life, and many are Trump/MAGA cultists.

>>520933685 (OP)
become a Unitarian Universalist
we accept everyone.

>>520935528
Palestine, as in Jerusalem, is the seat of Zion, IIRC.

>>520935575
Elizabeth?

>>520933685 (OP)
I urge you to re-consider Christianity.
Most people here only really liking Christianity for secular reasons in all honesty, but taken seriously it really does look like this (thankfully hardly of peopel actually take Christianity seriously -- for them Christianity is at best a social club or they are caught up in the team sports of the denominations).

>So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. But it shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
Mark 10:42-45

>>520935602
Das right muh nigga, Jews are black.

>>520933685 (OP)
>Catholic or Evangelical? And why?

Neither.

Join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and enjoy endless celestial sex with your wife, and your own planet and exaltation to Godhood, of course.

>>520933685 (OP)
Don’t go to a church the churches have been taken over and destroyed. The bible says to have a personal relationship with God. The “Christians” that go to church only do it to fit in they don’t have serious convictions they don’t have faith it’s all fake. Read your bible at home pray alone and don’t make your worship of Christ known as that feeds your ego separating you from God. Repent and beg for forgiveness of your sins and then most importantly turn away from all your sin never do them again. The church’s are evil devil institutions now.

>>520935528
And the entire old testament is God getting increasingly frustrated with the jews before he kicks over his previous plans to save man and sends Jesus instead, with later additions being 'Okay, what I said about the jews? Scratch that I don't care anymore'. The closest thing we get to that in the nt is the previously jewish disciples pridefully mourning for the loss of the status of their people even with the new way to salvation.

>>520933685 (OP)
Avoid Protestants. Catholics were the first Protestants. Become Orthodox.

>>520935725
Well, at any rate, the Israelites of today are not the same ones who dispersed from there long ago. The prophecy was that dispersement was their punishment to suffer until all nations go against them, and then they shall rule the world from PALESTINE. That’s where the Jews fucked up, they invalidated the prophecy altogether after WW2.

>>520935811
God is a Jew Jesus was a Jew, Christ is Jewish

>>520935895
Jesus is God, and Jesus is a Jew, worship Jews bitch.

>>520933685 (OP)
Both Catholicism and Orthodoxy claim they trace back to Jesus. Protestantism wasn't around until the 16th century.

The first pope was literally St. Peter.

>>520935923
Okay? And he says that being Jewish is no longer the way and that the law as it was is done. That everyone is Israel now.

>>520936003
I mean, if you read the bible, you would see that modern Judaism is far from Biblical Judaism, and even then Christ made a point to differentiate himself from them... not going to list every verse that shits on Jews in the bible but there are a lot lol

>>520935923
“King of the Jews” was in quotation marks, it was a literal joke.
Also, the Jews claim to have been enslaved by the egyptians, making a big deal of it, when they were the ones who enslaved the cannanites in the first place, when they had been ordered to exile them lest they become tarnished by their closeness.
Yeah whatever guy. Jews, Christians, and those of the Islamic faith all worship the same God, that’s good enough for me.

>>520933685 (OP)
>>520935494
when i began my journey i went to a catholic church my family infrequently went to when i was a child. it immediately set off some weird vibes (maybe my discernment).
i tried another church, an independent fundamental baptist one, and instead of giving a vague overview, he taught with an open bible, reading scripture with everyone.
both services happened to talk about the same thing, the 10 commandments.
i did a little research, and found out the catholic church uses a different 10 commandments. they dropped the one about worshiping graven images. (the real commandments are closer to paragraphs, not boiled down bullet points)

no church is what i want it to be. but the people in the baptist one seem pretty cool

>>520936143
Apparently the jews went from being incredibly well liked and well respected viziers in egypt to slaves in a single generation. Kek. And the whole time they're wandering they are bitching about wanting to go back to egypt. They've even still got enough gold on them for the tabernacle.

>>520936099
>>520936143
>>520936091
If you read the bible you see that Jews have the advantage because we taught the gospel before Jesus ever died for it. Your pastors are too lazy to teach people what the gospel means, so they are becoming luke warm and unfaithful and on their way to hell. Jews are God's chosen.

>>520936143
All three faiths are based on scripture that openly allows for the treating of nonbelievers in a much different(and worse) fashion than their “equals”. That alone should tell you something about the validity of the word. It’s jewry at its finest.

>>520936314
Jewsus is a false idol. Worship yourself and your culture. Destroy evil.

>>520933685 (OP)
Catholics aren’t Christian. They pray to statues of Mary and ask her to be Christian for them.

>>520933685 (OP)
>good goys go window shopping for whichever version of christjewry is the most "based"
Kek you'll grow out of it.

>>520936415
My issue with the Jews (of many) is that they not only deny that Jesus was a messiah at all, but they slander his name and mock those who believe in him. At least the Muslims believe Jesus existed and was a messenger of God, they just so happen to also believe in Mohammed. We have far more in common. Hence why I am all for a United Palestine, and the wiping of Israel from the map.

>>520936314
I'm afraid not. Here is the passage from a Catholic bible.

>>520933685 (OP)
Forget about the church, just get yourself a King James bible and read, you don't need an intermediary.

>>520936543
>Worship yourself
Begone Satan

>>520936314
A note about Baptist churches: find a smaller one, or at least DO NOT go to a mega church or one with any kind of large campus. Find one where you enter the front door, and within 50 steps have found pews. And that doesn’t just preach the feel-good parts of the KJV.

>>520933685 (OP)
Lol
Jew worshipping faggot

obviously

>>520936543
>>520936868
Literally Satan
Worship of self, narcissism, the ego are Lucifers favorite tools, look around at the state of society and you'll see self worship is at the heart of it's downfall.

>>520936869
And re Catholicism, ever since the scandal broke that the Church had been sending known child predators to New England after a sabbatical down south, I would absolutely not recommend signing up with that kind of evil. Quite often priests up here are let go due to unspecified conduct even today.

>>520937044
Lucifer being Satan isn’t even in the Bible. It’s in a book called Paradise Lost. Christians don’t even know the bible lol.

Christianity is a Jewish creation to milk money and compliance from the goyim.

DO NOT FALL FOR IT

Hail our true lord, Lucifer.

>>520937262
Satan was lucifer. Not anymore tho. Lucifer is just a title, like discord moderator. Satan got demodded.

>>520937467
Lucifer being Satan is not in the bible. I challenge you to find one instance of it.

>>520933685 (OP)
Orthodox, catholic, or anglican catholic. All three will keep you closest to unbending Christian theology. Check a few churches out. If you see a rainbow flag or a woman priest/minister/whatever, get out of there. Places with apostolic succession are reliable. Places that have a modern band in place of an organ are not.

>>520937467
Lucifer is not Satan, he is a "fallen angel", i.e. he told God to fuck himself.

Satan is all evil.

>>520933685 (OP)
>So, i decided i want to become a Christian but i dont know which church to go.
>Catholic or Evangelical? And why?

Neither will save you.
Only confessing your sin to the Lord Jesus Christ and trusting in his shed blood to pay for those sins, and the fact that He rose from the grave to justify you in the eyes of God will get you there.

The building you choose to go to is your decision.

>>520937615
No no no no. You guys are fucking dumbasses. Lucifer was never Satan according to the bible. The fall of Lucifer is in a book called Paradise Lost.

>>520933685 (OP)
Well first you have to understand what happened in the Protestant Reformation.

https://youtu.be/piVdrtgo7Xw

https://youtu.be/xs0ExgnRMqc

>>520937034
fsm as a joke deity somehow not as ridiculous as the hindoo poop party god.

>>520937715
Paradise Lost is Bible canon though.
It's all fiction anyway.

>>520937540
It's in Isaiah, a two second google search will reveal that its likely something that stems from being a translation from latin in the king james rather than hebrew.
Freemasons 100 percent worship Satan as Lucifer, it's part of masonic literature. Literally from Hebrew it's morning star, In masonic literature, lightbringer, the christ to literal satan worshipers

>>520937835
No, its not

>>520937905
Yeah it is.
More so than the book of mormon.

>>520933685 (OP)

What matters in Christianity is knowing that:

1) Jesus solved Love and Death.
1a) Dont displace or project your fears and feelings- go pray to Jesus.
1b) You can actually do more with Love than wrath and serving death. Former death-dealer here. Not exaggerating. You can be on a whole other level. Serve THE God.
2) We win.
2a) seriously, logic it out and we still win. ASI wont give a fuck about some stupid materialist. at best it'll think the peaceful are cute, or we survive in the cracks.
2b) Brains dulled with degeneracy will only degenerate more rapidly with new tech. They will not win. Its just a sad fact, that I wish they would give up.
3) you are based now.

>>520937890
Wrong lol. The one in Isaiah is Jesus talking to the King of Tyre and he calls him Lucifer as a title. It has nothing tk do with Satan at all.

>>520936868
My id changed for some reason, but good pick. I'll stop posting since the disingenuous shills have arrived, but speak to a priest on the topic - or at least go to a small service for each and see which resonates for you. Nobody in a church will shit on you for turning up two minutes before it starts and sitting in the back to listen, just follow along and do what others do.

Just be aware that the catholics and the orthodox have differing opinions and traditions. Evangelists have a much shorter bible and some will cheerfully lie to you about other variants of the faith.

Bibles can be confusing because most sects use different versions. If you want a bible, look for rsv2ce for the catholics, the orthodox study bible for the orthodox and kjv for the evangelicals. They differ in some of the language and the books used. The kjv is the short one with 60 something books, the catholics use.. 73 books? And the orthodox 76, I think. You can pick who is trying to minister to you by how many books their bible has. Gnostic heresies are hilarious and in almost every religion for some reason but ultimately - heresies.

And, though it galls me to talk about others, you're reaponsible for the state of your soul: I was born a jew, I've worked in a buddhist temple and I spent some time around the faith of islam. Judaism is a *bitch* to convert to and you'll never be the same as a born jew, but if you MUST, find a reform synagogue. Orthodox jews will throw you out and conservative jews will want a long talk first. You can always go up the strictness ranks. Buddhism is pretty welcoming but very syncretic and has a lot of chinese folk religion - find a temple, make sure it isn't 'humanistic' buddhism like fo guang shang. And muslims are like the churches, they won't care who you are just turn up and follow along. Herr Tarrant got a 'welcome, brother!' when he strode up in tactical gear with a gun which I still find unendingly funny. Sunni or shi'ite, doesn't matter.

>>520938055
>Bible thumping Aussie
you sound like a cunt m8

>>520937540
>Lucifer being Satan is not in the bible. I challenge you to find one instance of it.
I challenge you to find one instance where the Bible condemns taking the covid vaxx. i am being facetious, point is you talk like a protestant.

>>520937615
>Lucifer is not Satan, he is a "fallen angel", i.e. he told God to fuck himself.
WAS Lucifer. Not anymore. Lucifer is a title that means “Light bringer”. Satan had this role, before he fell. He isn’t just any fallen angel, he is, or was, the chief Seraphim, the highest order of angels.

Satan isn’t even his real name either, another title, which means “deceiver”. His real name is Hel’el. And his task was to guide humanity and enlighten them, hence the name, light bringer (lucifer).

But as we know, he had other ideas. He instead deceived humans to partake of unearned wisdom, causing them to fall. And he did this to tell God to go F himself, yes.

But not for no reason. Jealousy (angry that God chose weak humans to inherit His image, and not himself). And Pride (unwilling to submit to God’s authority and unwilling to respect His creation of mankind.)

You are an idiot by the way. You honor the being who explicitly hates your guts. Satan would rather watch you choke on your own blood than receive any worship from (you).

>>520938055
>I was born a jew,
Ohhhhh a jew pushing the jewish slave religion!

>>520938046
It's where the association of lucifer / satan came from, and the one place it appears in the bible.
And you can bet his worshipers (which I'm about 90 % certain you're one of) refer to him as that.

>>520938223
Changes the subject

>>520938298
Like I just said, Jesus is talking tk the King of Tyre in that passage so you haven’t found any passage that relates Lucifer to Satan.

>>520938223
>But as we know, he had other ideas. He instead deceived humans to partake of unearned wisdom, causing them to fall. And he did this to tell God to go F himself, yes.
I agree with you up to this point.
I don't believe Lucifer is the deciever.
But here we get into gnosticism and stuff like that.

>>520937638
>The building you choose to go to is your decision.
The community he chooses, and the leader of that church are very important. Being instructed incorrectly about Christianity can lead to danger. Having a bad community in that church will make it less likely he stocks around. It is only Christ who can save, but you still have to make this part of your life, and stick with it. Improve the odds wherever you can

>>520938567
>It is only Christ who can save
From what?

>>520933685 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HSsx773GzI
These days if you want to truly follow Christ and know his message the church won't help you.

>>520937715
Lucifer is just Babylon, apparently, or maybe Marduk or something
>The etymology for the name Marduk is generally understood to be derived from damar-utu-(a)k, meaning "bull-calf of Utu".[7] Sommerfield suggests this is used to explain the name Marduk in the Enuma Elish as "He is the 'son of the sun[a]' of the gods, radiant is he."[11] While the name may suggest a relationship with Shamash, Marduk has no genealogy with the sun god.[12] However, Babylon was closely associated with the city of Sippar in this period, which may have been the reason for the name.[13]
wikipedia on Mardum, my inference Lucifer ie daybringer could be Marduk.

>>520938414
You don't read much do you while you're pedantically arguing gothcas.
This is the reference, likely through translation in the king james version, which lead to the association people have with Satan / Lucifer.
And since the literal worshipers of Satan use it, it stuck.
You can go back now.

It's like you guys don't even know about the Annunaki and how they made white people from apes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBkdLzya3B4

Even though I'm bashing Christianity...
Orthodoxy seems the least le bad, IMHO, but it isn't practical to join for cultural reasons (secular reasons are really why people are joining these denominations for the most part).
Evangelical zionists and other bat shit crazy prots are definitely obnoxious. I guess I would recommend the mainline protestant branches...
Catholicism is the most globohomo tier of them all and has some annoying aspects, but it is also very practical to join and has high church aesthetics. If you want to be a crusader larper or are really artsy, be Catholic.
If had to choose, I'd rather Christians be Orthodox meme or a decent, less obnoxious Protestant branch.

>>520938775
>And since the literal worshipers of Satan use it
Just making shit up

>>520939055
Aliens make more sense than a sky god, just admit it.

>>520938424
>I don't believe Lucifer is the deceiver.
Then you are deceived, which is the entire point. And you became deceived not through being dumb, you got deceived through your own intellect. I can bet you are smart and possess a vast mind. Devil’s playground. Once you enter the mystical mind of Lucifer, you will believe lies. But you won’t call them lies, you’ll call them ‘insights’. Been there, done that. I was occultist/hermeticist/gnostic myself too man.

Stay safe and take care. Don’t get devoured anon. You’ll find out the path you are on leads to your own death, and you will come very close to it. Probably self inflicted, destroying your own health slowly or quickly in suicide. Try and avoid that.

>>520939022
It's in freemason texts.

>>520939190
That's pretty fucking deep and insightful.
I will certainly take it into consideration, <3.

>>520939055
He's right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTGe6fviuck
Universe
Uni-verse
1 song

>>520933685 (OP)
>I've decided to worship the Jew
Why would you do that?

>>520939307
Based. Blessings to you, and your life. And may you know good health, peace and clarity in this life and the next.

>>520938756
>Mardum
*Marduk

>>520938656
The consequences of our actions, which is to say the eternal separation from God we choose every day through sin

>>520940066
You don't need god to be a good and moral person, but it helps some people.

>>520940332
Morals and good stem from God. It is not separable

>>520939022
David Spengler, Reflections on the Christ, new age Masonic Satan worshiper, and official within the United Nations.

>>520940430
No, God is training wheels for morality, which a lot of people need.

It's not a requirement.

>>520933772
Catholic

>>520933772
Because Cathars were antinatalist and afraid of water. They hated life and were killed so they won?

>>520933685 (OP)
Eastern Orthodoxy is the One True Church.
This Church wrote the Bible. Its dogmas didn't change for two thousand years, because Jesus Christ doesn't change.

Check out Jay Dyer, he refutes all other worldviews like roman catholicism, protestantism, atheism in all shapes, buddhism etc.
in a clear, logical, sound manner, which is easy to understand.

He also takes philosophy, ethics, geopolitics (satanists, NWO, WHO etc.), and much more, and connects it all together, while not contradicting Eastern Orthodoxy at all. In fact, saints of the Eastern Orthodox Church speak of future events regarding NWO etc.

Also check out Father Peter Heers on youtube, along with Metropolitan Neophytos of Morphou.
Sadly, not every priest today can be trusted, but this was always the case, people make mistakes after all. Orthodoxy isn't full of infallible popes or something.

In my case, it was the ultimate white pill, so to speak.
Satan loses, Jesus Christ wins.
Repent, pray, go to confession, find a spiritual father and all of those things are the beginnings of Eastern Orthodox.
There is also fasting.

It's spiritual warfare.
Not much time left! We could be dead tomorrow!

>>520933685 (OP)
Whatever your grandparents were. There's no reason to be a convertard.

>>520942467
My grandparents were catholics but i feel a very weird vibe when i go to catholic masses
Theres too many golden things and images all over the place
Not to mention why doesnt the priests marry and have kids? Odd