Thread 520943598

Bitching and crying about the Fall of Rome is literally the earliest form of White Guilt. It was conquered by Germanics, the most accomplished people in history, and it was a good thing that birthed Europe as we know it.
>inb4 divide and conquer kike
Fuck you and kill yourself. You will constantly throw punches at whites (Germanics) and then moan the moment you are struck back.
>inb4 mexican amerimutt
I live in the Midwest and none of my ancestors mixed with nons. The dirt I live on did not magically turn me brown. Also kill yourself.

>>520943598 (OP)
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.
>You will constantly throw punches at whites (Germanics)
i've done no such thing

Ignore the antisemtie above
You are correct

Germans are golems and have no culture

>GAYTM

>>520943881
Every day people seethe about the Germanics who conquered the Romans and Germanics in general. Kill yourself.

>>520944041
>Every day I fall for agitation propaganda and then take my infantile anger out on innocent people
*spits on you*

>>520944136
The Germanic conquest of the Roman Empire was a good thing and I will not pretend otherwise.

>conquered
Lol

>>520943598 (OP)
Holy shit are there any non kike threads here anymore?
>there was post about where some kike gloated about a palestinian child hung and it had a palestinian coalburner on it too
>there was a thread about how white women love bbc so much so just give up goy and stop being a white nationalist goy pls stahp
>now i'm here ITT, where some kike kvetches about the Roman Empire - 100% kike, because their whole religion revolves around Romans icking their little shitty kike sand castle down 2000 years ago a putting down their impotent kike little chimp out and raping all their yenta sluts with their BRC-s

If the kikes honestly think this will save them from pogroms they might as well jump into the oven now.

>>520943598 (OP)
I agree as a fellow white man of Germanic descent with not a single drop of tainted blood. Our first mission should be to go to Apple headquarters and fix whoever thinks that when I say the word Germanic into voice recognition that I said dramatic. Go ahead and try it. It literally will not recognize the word Germanic. I’ll fucking show you dramatic. Stupid scumbag trillion dollar corporation that cannot recognize plain English speech.

>>520944365
Yes? How else did the Germanics force the people underneath them to accept their rule? Gifts? Flowers?
>>520944468
Every single Germanic migration was a good thing and I do not feel bad for the Romans.

Persians and Germanics united to literally buck break Rome more than once. Never forgetti

>>520943598 (OP)
Hate to break it to you, but people don’t typically bitch and cry about the fall of Rome. You can easily verify this by going outside.

>>520943598 (OP)
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>>520944594
There will be no Turd Temple and your little shitty Kike Whining wall will be kicked down aswell and your kike graves will be shat upon.

Get bombed by hamas, faggot.

Every jewish death is a good thing.

>>520944508
If you care about this you’re retarded and nothing can be done to help you. I’m sorry.

>>520944508
Well my Germanic blood is also tainted by a lot of Celtic blood. So maybe I am mixed race after all...
>>520944650
There is a thread bitching about the Fall of Rome here every single day what the fuck are you talking about? Obviously you don't hear this when you're walking around talking to people, but that's because nobody ever talks about history in general.
>>520944731
You have a mental illness.
>>520944753
Gem

>>520943598 (OP)
Germanics look better taking bbc than women with browner skin like Italian women so I somewhat agree in an abstract way that Germanics are better (at being BLACKED) than Latins

>>520944650
In his synagogue they do tho - their whole kike religion revolves around it. It's the thrid most important thing after accepting "mischlings" of their yenta sluts as their own (being cucked) and having tips of their itty bitty kike cocks mutilated as to signal how much they don't need them - they can have niggers fuck their women.

>>520944934
Are you the Mestizo faggot crying about Spain in the other thread? Why is it that the moment someone says a single positive thing about Germanics they're called Jewish? Kill yourself.

>>520944824
Okay Chang and/or Pajeet. Your women are the cumdumpsters of whites btw.

>>520945015
>Are you the Mestizo faggot crying about Spain in the other thread? Why is it that the moment someone says a single positive thing about Germanics they're called Jewish? Kill yourself.

>>520944781
>Well my Germanic blood is also tainted by a lot of Celtic blood.
STFU you fucking retard.

>>520944781
I don’t care about threads. This topic is not relevant to anyone in any way, go think about something else.
“Fall of Rome” stupid faggot our race is disappearing now and you’re debating whether this or that people was white and based 6 million years ago.
Fucking nerds

>>520944934
You are mentally ill

>>520945130
Isnt "Celt" a cultural or linguistic thing?
Maybe his use of the racial term "Germanic" overrides it? He might be referring to those non descript Celts who are basically just european abbos

>>520945115
I think the Middle East should be unpopulated.
>>520945130
Huh?
>>520945213
People constantly cry about the Fall of Rome and seethe about Germanics here every single day without a single break and the moment someone pushes against it everyone starts malding and shitting their pants. This is very annoying and I'm tired of it. If you want to talk about something else then you can make a thread about it and go talk there. Why are you even using /pol/ to begin with?

>>520945293
Where's the lie?
Everything I said was true.
Kikes do mutilate their cocks, they are cuckolds and they do kvetch about the Roman Empire for molesting their little kike shitters into prolapsation 2000 years ago to this day.

Those are just facts

>>520943598 (OP)
The elites of ancient Greece and Rome were often blond and blue eyed. The Spartans for example were not from Greece they invaded from the north , conquered and enslaved the local Helots.

Ancient Roman and Greek aristocracy were genetically Germanic any way.

>>520945430
How does this relate to my point that people constantly seethe about the Fall of Rome and the Germanic migrations here?
>>520945417
Yes I'm sure Arminius was a Jew too.

>>520944698
try writing in complete sentences so that you don't sound like a schizo

>>520943598 (OP)
>I live in the Midwest and none of my ancestors mixed with nons. The dirt I live on did not magically turn me brown.
Brown boy still wishing so badly to be white award.

>>520945544
>Yes I'm sure Arminius was a Jew too.
Your mom is tho and yes, she fucks niggers.

>>520945710
Have you ever been to the Midwest, Pajeet?
>>520945795
Is this projection from your traumatic childhood?

>>520945943
>Is this projection from your traumatic childhood?

>>520946168
I'm not Jewish so this doesn't make me feel anything.

>>520945943
>Pajeet
Have you forgotten that you're a pajeet too? Or maybe beaner, whatever you are. You brown people are all the same.

>>520946239
okay, sure

>>520946264
I live in one of the whitest parts of the Midwest. Show flag.

>>520946281
And I'm Jewish again because... why?

>>520945356
>Isnt "Celt" a cultural or linguistic thing?
>Maybe his use of the racial term "Germanic" overrides it?
Celts were earlier Scythian invaders who integrated with the locals (there were no "gods" invading, it was the story of Scyths made into legends with super powers). Goths (germanics) were later. Same peoples people back and forth.

>>520946391
>And I'm Jewi- ACK

>>520943598 (OP)
Didn’t you get you Germans get your ass kicked twice for israel while worshiping a literal jew hitler? Lmao pathetic

>>520946322
Let's be honest, your flag is kind of a meme flag too.

>>520946439
Conquered and raped by Germanics.
>>520946518
1991.

>>520946546
Why would I move from America?

>>520944616
Did someone say Persians?

>>520946584
Jewish sluts are also made for Germanic cock, at least the hot ones.

>>520945430
>>520945544
>>520943598 (OP)
Arian Christian Goths invaded (not pagans). The population of Rome at the time was 80% non-white people by then. It soon changed as they purged them and bred millions of white people so that it became the EXACT OPPOSITE rate of 80% whites and 20% mixed. This kept Hellenist-Christian society alive for a long time and why Italians still have blond hair in the North.

>>520945430
The aristocracy were partially Aryans, not Germanics.
Germanics today are more Aryan than back then because they supplanted themselves in their aristocracy too, and their aristocracy replaced their peasantries over time.
So its not entirely accurate to say they were the same as germans back then, only that Germans today are practically Roman Emperors.

>>520946668
Jewish women are made for all sorts of cock, mostly shitcolored, but definitely not jewish.

>>520943598 (OP)
>It was conquered by Germanics
That's some weird revisionist history right there. Rome was ultimately defeated by Brutus when that faggot killed the only man who could have reformed the empire, and eradicated the (probably crypto jew) 'elites' that did nothing but enrich themselves at the expense of Rome's vitality.

Caesar was on track to fix the rot, and bring about another thousand years of absolute roman domination.

>>520946836
Uhhh the Germanics conquered the Roman Empire and the Western Roman Empire would have continued forever in its degenerate state if they weren't overtaken by foreign tribes who migrated over there.

>>520946933
And I don't like a thousand years of Roman domination. Germanic domination is better.

>>520943598 (OP)
Germanics became better people ny adopting roman values. The Germans that conquered rome were basically Romano Germans. The germanic states that formed in the early middle ages modeled themselves after roman values and justified their realms by comparing it to Rome. In fact they thought they were rome. The calothic church which grew more dominant in the middle ages and whose reach spread throughout western Europe, civilized the pagans and improved their societies. Part of the reason they became more codified states as opposed to tribes is because of the superior values of Romano catholicism

>>520943598 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with admiring the accomplishments of great empires and lamenting their downfall. Where would we be without the Greeks and Romans?

>>520946432
Those "locals" are pretty niggardly, though. But maybe thats washed out and they are all similar, just with meaningless phenotypic differences. Cool pic btw

>>520943598 (OP)
Rome did not fall to the Germanics. Rome was already fucked up even before Germs were forced to migrate to Roman Empire to escape the Huns, they only took a decaying Rome, it would be like thinking that Mexico would give the USA a beating without being after decades of immigration, miscegenation and loss of values, which is happening and will fatally undermine the US in a few decades.

After the collapse of Rome, certain regions of Europe especially those in the West and North-West faced de-urbanization, decrease in literacy, elevated levels of poverty and barbarity, as well as a significant fall on a civilizational scale (evidenced by the stagnation in written texts, trade, and a multitude of other factors). Other regions of Europe like South Italy and the Balkans were mostly unaffected. However, after some time and especially after Charlamagne, things quickly got better and by the 9th century with the complete Romanization of the Germanic tribes.

TD;DR Germs were not only irrevalent before Rome, they took almost 1000 years to be civilized by them through Christianization during the Middle Ages.

>>520944934
i have seen countless kikess mongrels (thieves of Aryan genes) with a nigger "schvarz" buck on their side

so many goddamn times. my leftist plebbit friend invited me to his bday party and yet another one showed up. blonde hair, green eye girl with this humongous cartoony witch nose and a buck.

>>520943598 (OP)
>>520947052
Odecer immediately attempted corresponding with the Easter nemperor when he took over because he thought he was the roman emperor. He spoke to romans directly in Latin.

the average roman soldier was 5'5 due to a shitty carbslop diet, the average celt and germanic soldiers were 5'10 because they ate nothing but meat and milk

honestly the ancient germanic way of life seemed so much better, just kill romeniggers and roam the wilderness all day

>>520947072
Say what?

Fuck off retard, the EXACT opposite happened. >>520946671

>>520947054
Europe IS rome.

>>520947052
>The Germans that conquered rome were basically Romano Germans

Odoacer did not assume the title of Roman emperor, but rather that of King of Italy (Rex Italiae), and sent the imperial insignia to Constantinople, marking the end of the Western Roman Empire. Rome only "fell" for 100 years after the Ostrogoths invaded it, but then the Byzantines retook Rome. Basically though Huns invaded pushing Germanic tribes west into Gaul and Britain, there was a controversy between Foederati Goths with the Romans on their peoples' position in the empire, and after Rome became Catholic, it became a religious conflict as well as the Goths were Arianists.

Alaric joined the Roman army and helped defeat the Franks for Rome in Frigidus, however, he wasn't recognised at all by Theodosius, and left the army. Later on, Radagaisus (a pagan, not an Arian) launched an invasion into Catholic Rome but lost to Stilicho even though he was outnumbered (20,000 men to 15,000). Many Goths were taken into slavery, while some escaped and joined Alaric. Later on, the emperor Honorius killed Stilicho for being too favourable to the Goths, and ordered tens of thousands of Goths to be killed. Even more Goths defected to Alaric, and Alaric invaded Italy to avenge his people.

Then there were a bunch of compromises with him and the emperor, he later supported Attalus to usurp the empire, and was later appointed the master of the army. He later deposed Attalus, and later sacked Rome, dealing major damage to the empire. Rome was later sacked by the Vandals in 455, and then under the Burgundians and Suebians in 472 under the support of Odoacer. The new capital Ravenna was later invaded by Odoacer in 476, which ended the western Roman Empire, and began Ostrogothic Italy.

>>520943598 (OP)
>NOOOOOO ACTUALLY PISSWATER TRIBE WAS BETTER AND CREATED EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION HERE A DRAWING OF A BIG MANLY PISSWATER TRIBEMAN REKTING A SHITALIAN EMPIRE SOLDIER
>NOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS PISSWATER BAD SUCKED NUTS AND SHIT ACTUALLY SHITALIAN EMPIRE WAS THE BEST OF THE BEST
>NOOOOOOO THIS IS ALL LIE THE PISSWATER TRIBE BETTER
>NOOOOOOO SHITALIAN EMPIRE BETTER
This is how we save white race

>>520947525
Certainly the Roman Empire is the single largest influence across Europe, but it's not Rome.

>>520947599
>Justinian 1st
Hey, isn't that the shitskin who's whore Syrian (jew) wife took over with her pet transexuals to the point of killing their own citizens in a collosium blood bath because they were complaining about how shitty things were getting?

isn't that the guy who shut down the last Platonic schools and outlawed philosophy. You would think this is a victory, BRICS shill.

>>520948003
Come make a pigmentation of my dick hair and ass hair faggot may I shit into your skull to fill that void with something

>>520943598 (OP)
Didn't read

>>520944041
No, you don't

>>520948003
You bit a bait from some random rich guy angry at Justinian!

This is a pseudepigrapha attributed to Procopius of Caesarea that was actually written by a rich man in the empire who was angry that Justinian was putting up in his asses with pro-people reforms. He was probably one of the rich people trying to stir up the green faction in the chariot race against Justinian.

Note that all of Procopius of Caesarea's other records are praising and extolling Justinian's deeds, only this forged "Secret History" is different. The proof of the falsity of these writings is that not even the Catholic Church dared use them against the Byzantine Empire at the height of political and religious division. It had been stored in the Vatican for centuries and no one gave a fuck.

Also, it was a rich guy adherent of the heresy of Arianism with all certainty. The supposed date of the forger's writing matches the period when Justinian hunted down Arianists.

The butthurt of Pseudo-Procopius of Caesarea was such that the author said that Justinian was without his head while his body walked through the palace, he said that the empress was given birth by a demon who fucked with her mother. Pseudo-Procopius even went so far as to defame Belisarius saying he was a hated tyrant without virtue, all records to the contrary. He was one of the greatest generals in history.

>>520943598 (OP)
I literally don’t hear a single person, ever, in real life talk about Rome you schizophrenic fucking terminally online vaccinated idiot
Absolutely nobody cares about your fever dream
If anything, if you go outside, half of every normie group are all LARPing as Ragnar or some other gay shit after showing their vaxpasses to keep consuming
Real castrated slave race. You’ve got other problems to worry about, vax cattle

>>520948351
>some guy made that all up.
Sure... But Justinian absolutely brought on the dark ages intellectually by purging the home of philosophy OF PHILOSOPHY schools; while Diocletian reforms (communism) brought on the economic dark ages that Constantine capitalized on with his mother's terrorist cult of Xristianity.

Everything was fucked and everybody sucked. Now Arabs take credit for Hellenist works (Islamic Golden Age) because Persian-Islam didn't purged their Hellenist works like Justinian and the Popes did.

>>520948567
>I literally don’t hear a single person, ever, in real life talk about Rome you schizophrenic fucking terminally online
vile cunt moment.

All guys think about Rome at least once a month, even Jews.

>>520948092
Can you tell me my fortune, Madam?

>>520948351
Also, I know where you got that bullshit from, it's from Asha Logos.

https://youtu.be/PehCn_3kyw4?si=GNPuUoOddu6nfQBW

He also shills Christian Identity bullshit meaning he is either a liar or genuinely retarded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46zJYUbMdE

>>520948914
>by purging the home of philosophy OF PHILOSOPHY schools
Most of the scholars at the University of Athens were Syrians.

>The last Greek philosophers of the revived Academy in the 6th century were drawn from various parts of the Hellenistic cultural world and suggest the broad syncretism of the common culture (see koine): Five of the seven Academy philosophers mentioned by Agathias were Syriac in their cultural origin: Hermias and Diogenes (both from Phoenicia), Isidorus of Gaza, Damascius of Syria, Iamblichus of Coele-Syria and perhaps even Simplicius of Cilicia. The emperor Justinian closed the school in 529 A.D.. The last Scholarch of the Academy was Damascius (d. 540). According to the sole witness, the historian Agathias, its remaining members looked for protection under the rule of Sassanid king Khosrau I in his capital at Ctesiphon, carrying with them precious scrolls of literature and philosophy, and to a lesser degree of science. After a peace treaty between the Persian and the Byzantine empire in 532, their personal security (an early document in the history of freedom of religion) was guaranteed

>It has been speculated that the Academy did not altogether disappear. After his exile, Simplicius (and perhaps some others), may have travelled to Harran, near Edessa. From there, the students of an Academy-in-exile could have survived into the 9th century, long enough to facilitate the Arabic revival of the Neoplatonist commentary tradition in Baghdad

>One of the earliest academies established in the east was the 7th century Academy of Gundishapur in Sassanid Persia

>>520949563
>It has been speculated that the Academy did not altogether disappear. After his exile, Simplicius (and perhaps some others), may have travelled to Harran, near Edessa

The Cult of Moloch literally comes from them.

https://ia802808.us.archive.org/34/items/segal1963sabianmysteries/Segal_1963_Sabian_Mysteries.pdf
The ordinary Sabian could not conduct his life by general principles of elevated philosophy such as these. The mass of Harranians followed a complex scheme of ritual, worshipping idols in the temples as representations of the remote and often invisible planets. There were temples, however, not only to the seven planets, but also to the Primal Cause, the First Intellect, World Order, Necessity and the Soul. All these temples were round

>The temples to the planets were each, our sources declare, of a special shape—we are reminded of the buildings at Sumatar Harabesi—and each reflected the ideas of those times about the colour and metal peculiar to each planet and the day of the week which it was supposed to govern. The arrangement and order of the temples and the height of the idols conformed to the distance of each planet from the earth

>The temple of Saturn was hexagonal and black, his statue was of lead, his day Saturday; the temple of Jupiter was triangular and green, his statue of tin, his day Thursday; the temple of Mars was oblong (or square?), his colour red, his statue of iron, his day Tuesday; the temple of the sun was square, his statue was of gold, his day Sunday; the temple of Venus was probably a triangle inside a rectangle and it was blue, her statue was of copper, and her day Friday; the temple of Mercury was probably a triangle in an oblong, it had no allotted colour, Mercury's statue was of clay and his day Wednesday; the temple of the Moon was probably octagonal, her statue—the moon was now regarded as female—of silver, and her day Monday

>>520949563
>It has been speculated that the Academy did not altogether disappear. After his exile, Simplicius (and perhaps some others), may have travelled to Harran, near Edessa

The Cult of Moloch literally comes from them.

https://ia802808.us.archive.org/34/items/segal1963sabianmysteries/Segal_1963_Sabian_Mysteries.pdf
>The ordinary Sabian of Harran could not conduct his life by general principles of elevated philosophy such as these. The mass of Harranians followed a complex scheme of ritual, worshipping idols in the temples as representations of the remote and often invisible planets. There were temples, however, not only to the seven planets, but also to the Primal Cause, the First Intellect, World Order, Necessity and the Soul. All these temples were round

>The temples to the planets were each, our sources declare, of a special shape—we are reminded of the buildings at Sumatar Harabesi—and each reflected the ideas of those times about the colour and metal peculiar to each planet and the day of the week which it was supposed to govern. The arrangement and order of the temples and the height of the idols conformed to the distance of each planet from the earth

>The temple of Saturn was hexagonal and black, his statue was of lead, his day Saturday; the temple of Jupiter was triangular and green, his statue of tin, his day Thursday; the temple of Mars was oblong (or square?), his colour red, his statue of iron, his day Tuesday; the temple of the sun was square, his statue was of gold, his day Sunday; the temple of Venus was probably a triangle inside a rectangle and it was blue, her statue was of copper, and her day Friday; the temple of Mercury was probably a triangle in an oblong, it had no allotted colour, Mercury's statue was of clay and his day Wednesday; the temple of the Moon was probably octagonal, her statue—the moon was now regarded as female—of silver, and her day Monday

>>520944351
You don't have to. You're right.

The Roman Empire was the original Globohomo, Rome committed genocide on the peoples of Europe, its fall was a good thing.

>>520950092
>Each of the planets had influence over a special category of persons—Saturn over persons of authority, Jupiter over wise men and philosophers, Mars over men of violence, the Sun over persons of distinction, Venus over women, children and artists, Mercury over men of learning and science, the moon over cultivators and vagrants

>Each planet, too, had its own temperament; Saturn and Mars, in particular, were malevolent. The right time for prayer was fixed by observation of the station of the planet in the sky. The suppliant, dressed in the colour and style appropriate to the planet—in praying to Jupiter, it should be noted, the suppliant wore the 'volume of the Haniphites' around his neck —offered incense according to prescribed formulae

>The incense of Saturn contained opium and the skull of a black cat, and that of Mars contained human blood; the incense to the sun and moon is called respectively the 'greater' and the 'lesser incense of the Haniphites'. We have an account of the prayers to each planet, the name of its special angel, its magic appellation, and its chosen victim for sacrifice—Saturn demanded a black he-goat, Jupiter a white lamb, Mars a striped cat, the Sun a crested cock, Venus a white pigeon, Mercury a white cock, the moon a small calf

>Much has been written on human sacrifice among the Harranians. On 8th Ab (August), at the pressing of new wine in honour of the gods, they are said to have sacrificed a newly-born male child, and to have employed the flesh with the addition of flour, saffron, spikenard, cloves and oil, as the food at the mysteries. (One writer, however, declares that this sacrifice was performed whenever the earth was five degrees in the ascendant or the reverse.) The allegation must be rejected, at any rate for the Moslem period

>>520950200
>Al-Dimashqi in the 14th century goes so far as to declare that human sacrifice appeared in Sabian rites directed to every planet—except, significantly enough, to Saturn to whom a bull was offered. To Jupiter, he maintains, was sacrificed an infant born of a bought (in Arabic Jupiter is the 'buyer') woman, the infant's mother to the sun, to Mars a redhaired man, to Venus a whitehaired woman, to Mercury a cultured youth

>To the moon a fair man. This cannot be taken seriously. Al-Dimashqi's taste for the horrific is shown by his story that the idol of Mars held a bloody head in one hand; from an earlier writer we learn that it was a burning torch, not a human head!

>There are three accounts of a severed human head which uttered oracles in the Harranian temples, one account in each of the 8th, 9th and 10th centuries. But in one important detail the accounts vary

>One maintains that the head was dedicated to Mercury, another to Mars, while the third states that the ceremony took place in the temple of the Moon. Al-Biruni declares that the Sabians sacrificed children to Saturn

>Elsewhere he writes that the Sabians were notorious for human sacrifice, but 'at present they are not allowed to carry it out in public'. We may wonder whether it was ever performed during the Christian era. With one dubious exception, no Christian chronicler indicts the Harranian pagans with this offence. An explanation for the naive reports of Moslem writers may be found in the Syriac history of Bar Hebraeus, which was compiled from earlier sources. Ibrahim, governor of Harran in the 9th century, permitted the Harranians to celebrate their mysteries in public. They led in procession, our chronicler relates with distaste, a bull decorated with garlands of flowers and bells, and accompanied by singers and musicians; it was then solemnly sacrificed

>This bull is evidently the sacrificial victim to Saturn of al-Dimashqi. We read of it elsewhere

>>520950275
>It was wholly black—an unusual colour in Harranian sacrifices. It was fed with grass plucked by virgins at sunrise. Drawn by a chain of gold, with incense burning before it and amid prayers, it was taken to the place of sacrifice. Its head was smeared with salt and wine, it was decapitated and its organs were examined for omens

>We may find here the origin of the stories of the human victim placed in a bath of sesame oil and fed with figs for the period of one year; then, rumour had it, the severed head would advise the Sabians for one year—others held one week—on their scientific and economic affairs. The stories derive from a popular Harranian proverb—'he is in oil', that is, he is in distress. Not unrelated is the phrase 'preparation of the head', a well-known term among alchemists

What he is referring to is a Teraphim.

>The Theraphim was not just a cult statue, but an instrument of divination. Its main function was to announce the future (futura annunciantia) and provide answers to those who consulted it (potens respondendi consulintibus). They were used to investigate future and hidden things, which required the figure to speak (loquebatur enim figura Theraphim). The most disturbing and relevant description of the head parallel is attributed to Eliezer (cited through Thisbites and Abenezree). He states that it's the head of a firstborn (caput alicuius pueri primogeniti), who had been sacrificed in honor of a demon. This head was then preserved in salt and aromatics to prevent putrefaction

>The source explicitly describes how the head was activated to speak: A gold plate (lamina aurea) was placed under the tongue. On this plate was inscribed the name of an unclean spirit (daemonis cuiusdam). The head was then walled up (ponebant illud in pariete) and incense was lit before it. The demon animated the object, allowing it to predict the future

>>520950375
>The making of the Theraphim was intrinsically linked to the illicit and forbidden arts. Tostatus and Abenezree note that the image was made at a specific time and hour (certo tempore, sub certis siderum aspectibus), using astrology and necromancy to attract the virtue of the celestial bodies to the statue (or head)

>Some describe Baphomet as having three faces, others as having four feet, others as being simply a face with no feet. For some it was a human skull, embalmed and encrusted with jewels; for others it was carved out of wood. Some maintained that it came from the remains of a former grand master of the order, while others were equally convinced that it was Baphomet – which in turn was interpreted as 'Mohammed'

>>520949034
This is true. Its still pretty relevant.
People take it for granted, but every modern city is built after Rome. Every neighborhood has a Cloaca Maxima beneath their feet and a system of aquaducts supplying every home with water. No other cities had this before Rome at the scale Rome did, and to this day a lot of non-western civilization (India) still has not caught up to where Rome was in 600 BC (2600 years later).

People should think about Rome more.

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Someone triggered the mods Disinfo Brazilian bot.

Reminder that Saturn was not a planet until the Renaissance and he's a fucking retard who tries to push the Talmuds new theory that, "everything being Pheonicians which is like actually jewish mmm okay"

>>520950872
>Reminder that Saturn was not a planet until the Renaissance

Lol. The ancestors of the Jews have worshipped Saturn since the times of Ancient Sumer.

>Eannatum (Sumerian: 𒂍𒀭𒈾𒁺 É.AN.NA-tum2; fl. c. 2450 BC) was a Sumerian ensi (ruler or king) of Lagash. He established one of the first verifiable empires in history, subjugating Elam and destroying the city of Susa, and extending his rule over the rest of Sumer and Akkad

>An inscription found on a stone states that Eannatum was his Sumerian name, while his "Tidnu" (Amorite) name was Lumma. On this basis, it has been suggested that Eannatum may have been of Amorite origin (see Poebel, PBS 4/I, p. 166 with footnote 2; IJ Gelb, “The Double Names of the Hittite Kings”, RO 17 [1951-52], p. 152; Edzard, ZZB, p. 9 footnote 39; M. Civil, “Un nouveau synchronisme Mari-IIIe dynasty of Einfall der Gutäer (ca. 2200/2136)”, AcAnt 22 [1974], p. 219 with footnote 132; id., “Eine verkannte Überlieferungslücke in der sumerischen Königslisten”, OrNS 48 [1979], p. 8; B. Kienast apud Selz, Untersuchungen, p. 172; and G. Pettinato, I re di Sumer: I. Iscrizioni reali presargoniche della Mesopotamia, Brescia 2003, p. 157 with footnote 4)

The Amorites were a Semitic people originating from Syria who founded prominent kingdoms/empires in already existing city-states in Mesopotamia and the Levant, such as Isin, Larsa, Mari, Ebla, Hazor, Shechem, Hebron, Gezer, Jerusalem, Lachish, Arad, Dor, and Babylon, with the famous Old Babylonian Empire under the Amorite dynasty of Hammurabi, which was the first to unify Mesopotamia. They were also the 15th dynasty of Egypt (Hyksos), characterized by rulers with Amorite names such as Meruserre Yaqub-Har. The term Martu/Amurru in Sumerian and Akkadian texts refers to the Amorites, their main deity, and an Amorite kingdom. Assyrian king lists record the Hyksos pharaoh Khyan/Hayanu as a "remote ancestor" of King Shamshi-Adad I of Assyria.

>>520943598 (OP)
poop

>>520951219
>Tidnu appears already in Mesopotamian inscriptions from the late third millennium BC as an epithet for an Amorite group or toponym within the Amorite sphere. In the Assyrian king list and the king list of the dynasty of Hammurabi (BM 80328), Didanu or Ditanu appears as the name of one of the first Amorite kings associated with the cult of the aurochs. In Ugaritic, the word ddn/dtn became a collective noun for the first kings who had departed this world. In a funeral liturgy for the dead king (KTU3 1.161 9-10) and in the Legend of Kirta (KTU3 1.15 III 2-4, 13-15), the phrase "Council (qbṣ) of Ddn" is found parallel to the expression "Rephaim of the Underworld" (rp ̓i ̓arṣ). These discoveries reveal how this name evolved from an ancient people in the Amorite sphere to the name of one of the royal progenitors of the West Semitic dynasties, while in Ugaritic it became a general name corresponding to the Hebrew phrase "Rephaim of the Underworld," used to refer to dead kings who inhabited the underworld

>The main temple of the state of Lagash was the E-ninnu at Girsu, dedicated to the god Ningirsu. The state of Lagash incorporated the ancient cities of Lagash, Girsu, and Nina

>The main rulers of the Sumerian city-state of Lagash included Ur-Nanshe, the founder of the dynasty; his son Eannatum, who achieved military dominance; Entemena, known for border disputes; Enannatum II; and Enentarzi, a minor ruler. The dynasty ended with Lugalanda and the reformer Urukagina, before the rise of the famous Gudea

>The cult of Ninurta can be traced back to the oldest period of Sumerian history. In the inscriptions found at Lagash he appears under his name Ningirsu, "the lord of Girsu", Girsu being the name of a city where he was considered the patron deity. In the astrotheology system Ninurta was associated with the planet Saturn, or perhaps as offspring or an aspect of Saturn

>>520951326
>In his capacity as a farmer-god, there are similarities between Ninurta and the Greek Titan Cronus, whom the Romans in turn identified with their Titan Saturn. Ninurta is associated with stars like Sirius (Sukudu meaning arrow) and Canismaior (qastu meaning bow). Ninurta is also identified with the star Sagittarius, which is the ninth sign of the Zodiac which is represented by a drawn bow and arrow and/or with a centaur using it. Thus a star of Saturn (Ninurta) is being fired

>"You also carried along Sikkuth your king (Moloch) and Kiyyun, your images, the star of your gods which you made for yourselves." Amos 5:26

>Sikkuth is identified with Sag/k.kud/t (transliterated in a Mesopotamian god list as Sa-ak-ku-ut!), an astral deity known also from the "An" god list found at Ugarit (originally from Nippurian and other Mesopotamian sources, see Weidner, in bibl.), where it appears as [d]sag/k.k[ud]/t = [d]s[a]g/k.kud/t (Ugaritica, 5 (1969), 214, line 44). In other "non-Western" lists of gods and stars, Sikkuth has recently been identified with Ninurta

>Kiyyun seems to be the Aramaic for the Akkadian god Kajamanu and the Assyrian Ka-ai-va-nu. Kajamānu or Kayyamanu (Akkadian: 𒅗𒀀𒀀𒈠𒉡 ka-a-a-ma-nu "the constant") or Uduimin-saĝuš (Sumerian: 𒀯𒇻𒅂𒊕𒍑 MULUDU.IMIN-saĝ-uš, "star of the sun") is the ancient Mesopotamian name for the planet Saturn. In ancient Mesopotamia, he was also regarded as the "star of Ninurta," the Mesopotamian fertility deity

>The earliest historical notices respecting Jerusalem come from the El-Amarna tablets. Before the fifteenth century B.C. Babylonian influences must have been present. There was a city called "Bit-Šulmānu" (Temple of the God Ninurta) in the "district of Jerusalem "(Letter 180, 25)

>>520947797
/pol/ in a nutshell.

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TL;DR There was a dynasty of Sumerian kings related to the Amorites who literally resembled the Happy Merchant meme, whose patron of their city-state was literally the Sumerian version of Saturn (Ninurta), who was also the patron god of a temple in Jerusalem during the time of the Amorites, whose legendary divine ancestor was Ditanu/Didanu (who was also claimed as an ancestor of the Assyrian and Ugaritic/Syrian kings) was associated with the aurochs (ancestors of bulls), the cult of dead kings (Rephaim/Nephilim), and Moloch had an ox's head and his name means king.

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You fucking bot I hate you!

Reminder that Saturn was not a planet until the Renaissance and he's a fucking retard who tries to push the Talmuds new theory that, "everything being Phoenicians which is like actually jewish mmm okay"

>>520943598 (OP)
>germanics conquered Rome
False you dirty Germanic animal. Rome fell because of internal traitors that let the savages in and even sided with them. If Rome had a Germanic genocide policy they would have won.

>federated by romans
>converted
>goes on a mission and converts the rest
Barbarians are so fucking dumb

>>520952129
>Avesta
This wasn't even written down until the Middle Ages. Cyrus, the Persian king who freed the Jews, was a politheist worshiper of Marduk.

>It was not until around the 5th or 6th century CE that Avestan corpus was committed to written form, which lead to the creation of the Sasanian Avesta. This is seen as a turning point in the Avestan tradition since it separates the purely oral from the written transmission. The surviving texts of the Avesta, as they exist today, are assumed to derive from a single master copy produced by that collation. That master copy, now lost, is known as the 'Sasanian archetype'. The oldest surviving manuscript (K1) of an Avestan language text is dated 1323 CE

>Cyrus the Great does not make mention of Ahura Mazda in any of his inscriptions. In fact many of his inscriptions betray a sense of plurality that is not found in the texts of later kings of the Achaemenid dynasty. A very famous inscription of his illustrates this. This is the Cyrus Cylinder, found in Babylon, which contains a decree justifying his rule in the city of Babylon. In it he relates how Marduk, the local god of Babylon and chief god of Babylonia, appointed him to be king over Babylon. Later in the text he commands that temples be rebuilt and the various local cults be started up again. He then asks that these gods bless him. This text has a parallel in Ezra 1:1—4 in the Hebrew Bible. The portion of the text reads: “May all the gods whom I settled in their sacred centers ask daily of Bel that my days may be long, and may they intercede for my welfare. May they say to Marduk, my lord, As for Cyrus, the king who reveres you, . . .'”

>This inscription betrays in Cyrus a plurality which the later Achaemenid kings rejected. In this inscription he invokes Marduk and Bel, a title for Marduk, to bless him, and mentions a number of other gods

>>520943598 (OP)
Fuck Rome.

>>520952911
>Mary Boyce, once again trying to fit this text into her interpretation of the Achaemenid kings’ religion has observed, “Doctrinally, it is impossible to reconcile his acknowledgment of alien great gods with his own acceptance of Ahura Mazda as the one true God.” for supposing for a later Zarathustra, because there is no textual evidence for his existence or his religion until after the reign of Cyrus the Great, in the mid sixth century b.c.e. Cyrus does not seem to be a worshiper of Ahura Mazda, at least not exclusively, nor does he seem to be an adherent of the teachings of Zarathustra

Also, the oldest copies we have of Plato and Hesiod are also from the Middle Ages, so your argument backfires on you, retard.

>The oldest surviving substantial manuscripts of Plato are the Codex Oxoniensis Clarkianus 39 (or Clarke Plato), which was completed in November 895 CE. It contains the first six tetralogies (groups of four dialogues) of Plato's works. Other major manuscripts, such as Codex Parisinus gr. 1807, also date from the 9th century

>The earliest existing manuscripts of the Hesiod's Theogony date from the end of the 13th century. An early example is found in Vaticanus gr. 1825. This manuscript dates to about 1310 based on watermarks. There are about 64 known manuscripts that date from 1600 AD or earlier

>>520943598 (OP)
>things no one outside of the internet actually discusses
Cool, anyways.

>>520952911
>his wasn't even written down until the Middle Ages.
And the Bible appears from random scrolls around the same time. Weird coincidence. Especially since the Old Testament scrolls first appear in the 250'sBC in Alexandria written in Greek and filled with other REAL EMPIRE'S stories like Hesiod's Theogony and Plato's "The Law".


It's almost like Isra-EL never really existed.

>>520946391
What's difference, your inferior version of shlomo... pakeapoo.

>>520943598 (OP)
You're a jew.

>>520945130
It's a jew you fucking idiot.

>>520954993
Everyone here is except me

>>520943598 (OP)
It's fine, they basically continued Roman administration style and institutions anyway. They kinda deserved it for letting the Germans basically make their own army within the army.

>>520953466
>And the Bible appears from random scrolls around the same time

The Bible is the Old Testament + New Testament, how the hell could it have existed before the 1st century BC if the events of New Testament in it take place in the 1st century AD, jackass? You're so stupid you don't even specifically refer to the Septuagint, which is the translation of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament from Hebrew to Greek made in Alexandria, Egypt. The problem with saying that the Septuagint is the original Hebrew Bible/was invented by the Greeks is that the Septuagint was clearly created by different groups of people with opposing beliefs.

In the texts of the Tanakh (Jewish Torah + other books), Israel as a monolatry/monotheist success of the United Kingdom of Israel signifies the people of Kingdom of Judah, while Kingdom of Israel is portrayed secondarily as idolatrous and apostate, a recurring theme in texts such as 2 Kings 17, where “Israel sinned against the Lord their God… and served the Baals.” This view is reinforced in Hosea and Amos, where the Northern Kingdom is accused of spiritual prostitution and of “worshiping golden calves in Bethel and Dan” (Amos 8:14). This narrative legitimizes Jerusalemite theology and the monopoly of worship in Zion, as reaffirmed in Deuteronomy 12 (a book “discovered” by the Judean king Josiah), which commands “not to worship on any mountain, but in the place that the Lord chooses”, a veiled reference to the Temple in Jerusalem, in opposition to Mount Gerizim of the Samaritan Israelites. In the post-exilic texts, the exclusion is even more evident: the genealogies of 1 Chronicles exalt the lineage of Judah and Levi, omitting or reducing the northern tribes to marginal mentions, the prophecy of Ezekiel 37, although using the image of "two pieces of wood" (Judah and Joseph/Ephraim), already anticipates a merger in which Judah symbolically absorbs Israel.

>Fall of Rome
Post instantly discarded

>>520957344
Similarly, Ezra and Nehemiah describe the Samaritans, descendants of the Israelites, as Assyrianized heretics who rejected the restoration of the temple (Ezra 4:1–3). In contrast, the Samaritan Pentateuch preserves the memory of Israel as a collective people and the passages where the Kingdom of Israel is accused of idolatry or paganism simply do not appear in the Samaritan Torah, because the Samaritan Torah contains only the five books of Moses, without Joshua, Kings, Chronicles, or Prophets and the other books of Tanakh which are precisely the Judahist literate where “Kingdom of Israel” is portrayed as apostate.

There's no way the Greeks could have known about this difference if it didn't pre-exist and it doesn't make sense for them to create a monotheistic ethnic religion just for the Jews when the damn Septuagint is more like the Samaritan Torah. Even genetic tests have disproven the Jewish hypothesis, and instead confirm with the Samaritans about their heritage as being, essentially, Israelite. On the other hand, scholars now think Samaritanism actually syncretized a lot from Judaism, as only after the destruction of the Samaritan Temple by the Hasmonean king John Hyrcanus in the late 2nd century BCE, did they begin even accepting things like the Deuteronomy and even concepts such as a Messiah. Samaritanism by the 1st century actually had a largely Gnostic bent to it, and we know of Samaritan religious leaders like Simon Magus and Dositheos. Dositheanism was one of the main sects of Samaritanism by the 4th century. The Septuagint is more archaic than the Masoretic Text and more similar to the Samaritan Text. René Salm is right on the Gnostic Samaritan origin of Christianity.

>>520957344
Similarly, Ezra and Nehemiah describe the Samaritans, descendants of the Israelites, as Assyrianized heretics who rejected the restoration of the temple (Ezra 4:1–3). In contrast, the Samaritan Torah preserves the memory of Israel as a collective people and the passages where the Kingdom of Israel is accused of idolatry or paganism simply do not appear in the Samaritan Torah, because the Samaritan Torah contains only the five books of Moses, without Joshua, Kings, Chronicles, or Prophets and the other books of Tanakh which are precisely the Judahist literate where the Kingdom of Israel is portrayed as apostate.

There's no way the Greeks could have known about this difference if it didn't pre-exist and it doesn't make sense for them to create a monotheistic ethnic religion just for the Jews when the damn Septuagint is more like the Samaritan Torah. Even genetic tests have disproven the Jewish hypothesis, and instead confirm with the Samaritans about their heritage as being, essentially, Israelite. On the other hand, scholars now think Samaritanism actually syncretized a lot from Judaism, as only after the destruction of the Samaritan Temple by the Hasmonean king John Hyrcanus in the late 2nd century BCE, did they begin even accepting things like the Deuteronomy and even concepts such as a Messiah. Samaritanism by the 1st century actually had a largely Gnostic bent to it, and we know of Samaritan religious leaders like Simon Magus and Dositheos. Dositheanism was one of the main sects of Samaritanism by the 4th century. The Septuagint is more archaic than the Masoretic Text and more similar to the Samaritan Text. René Salm is right on the Gnostic Samaritan origin of Christianity.

>>520957833
>Some 6,000 differences exist between the Samaritan and the Jewish Masoretic Text. Most are minor variations in the spelling of words or grammatical constructions, but others involve significant semantic changes, such as the uniquely Samaritan commandment to construct an altar on Mount Gerizim. Nearly 2,000 of these textual variations agree with the Koine Greek Septuagint, and some are shared with the Latin Vulgate. Throughout their history, Samaritans have used translations of the Samaritan Pentateuch into Aramaic, Greek, and Arabic, as well as liturgical and exegetical works based upon it

>The script of the Samaritan Pentateuch, its close connections at many points with the Septuagint, and its even closer agreements with the present Masoretic Text, all suggest a date about 122 BCE. Excavation work undertaken since 1982 by Yitzhak Magen has firmly dated the temple structures on Gerizim to the middle of the 5th century BCE, built by Sanballat the Horonite, a contemporary of Ezra and Nehemiah, who lived more than 100 years before the Sanballat mentioned by Josephus

>The Samaritan Torah contains frequent agreements with the Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate. The Septuagint text agrees with the Samaritan version in approximately 1,900 of the 6,000 instances in which it differs from the Masoretic text. Many of these agreements reflect inconsequential grammatical details, but some are significant. For example, Exodus 12:40 in both the Samaritan and the Septuagint reads

>"Now the sojourning of the children of Israel and of their fathers which they had dwelt in the land of Canaan and in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years.

>>520957871
>In the Masoretic text, the passage reads:

>"Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years."

>Passages in the Latin Vulgate also show agreements with the Samaritan version, in contrast with the Masoretic version. For instance, in Genesis 22:2, the Samaritan Pentateuch places the binding and near-sacrifice of Isaac in the "land of Moreh" (Hebrew: מוראה), while the Jewish Pentateuch has "land of Moriah" (Hebrew: מריה). The Samaritan "Moreh" describes the region around Shechem and modern-day Nablus, where Mount Gerizim is situated, while Jews claim the land is the same as Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. The Vulgate translates this phrase as in terram visionis ('in the land of vision') which implies that Jerome was familiar with the reading 'Moreh', a Hebrew word whose triliteral root suggests 'vision.'

>The earliest recorded assessments of the Samaritan Pentateuch are found in rabbinic literature and the writings of the early Christian Church Fathers of the first millennium. The Talmud records Eleazar ben Simeon, a Rabbinic Jew, condemning the Samaritan scribes: "You have falsified your Pentateuch... and you have not profited aught by it."

>Some early Christian writers found the Samaritan Pentateuch useful for textual criticism. Cyril of Alexandria, Procopius of Gaza, and others spoke of certain words missing from the Hebrew Text but present in the Samaritan Pentateuch. Eusebius writes the "Greek translation [of the Bible] also differs from the Hebrew, though not so much from the Samaritan" and notes that the Septuagint agrees with the Samaritan Pentateuch in the number of years elapsed from Noah's Flood to Abraham. Christian interest in the Samaritan Pentateuch fell into neglect during the Middle Ages

>>520957902
>The publication of a manuscript of the Samaritan Pentateuch in 17th-century Europe reawakened interest in the text and fueled a controversy between Protestants and Roman Catholics over which Old Testament textual traditions are authoritative. Roman Catholics showed a particular interest in the study of the Samaritan Pentateuch on account of the antiquity of the text and its frequent agreements with the Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate. Some Catholics including Jean Morin argue that the Samaritan Pentateuch's correspondences with the Latin Vulgate and Septuagint indicate that it represents a more authentic Hebrew text than the Masoretic

>Several Protestants replied with a defense of the Masoretic text's authority and argued that the Samaritan text is a late and unreliable derivation from the Masoretic

There were always two Israelite schools of thought, the Southern--centered around Jerusalem, and Northern, centered at Bethel and Dan, and later Samaria. Even today, there are Jews and Samarians. Samarians have their own holy city, holy mountain, and even their own version of the Pentateuch. To the Jews, Moses is kind of the head figure, to the Samarians, it's Joshua, to name one example of the different traditions. According to the Biblical account, the north broke away from the south, and there were two kingdoms. The Kingdom of Israel in the north, and the Kingdom of Judah (and Benjamin) in the south. When the Assyrians conquered the North, Israelite refugees flocked to the southern kingdom. They took their traditions with them. According to the Documentary Hypothesis, there was a need to integrate the two separate traditions, so there was an editor who combined the two schools of thought into a single unified history. Since the Jerusalem priesthood had the upper hand, the Old Testament account we have has a very Jewish, that is Judah-ish bias. The two accounts in Genesis are an example of this melding of traditions, so the hypothesis goes anyway.

this image is retarded. thats 1st century armour. rome fell to the goths long after the glory days, this would be like if the west falls in a century to some third world race and somebody makes a meme showing a 19th century redcoat getting stomped by a member of said race. never happened. rome fell because of how much it had lost the integrity of imperium romanum. the text is right however, people who insult modern germans because they were barbarians 2000 fucking years ago are retarded.

>>520944041
>glownigger retard states a literal once in a moon event as if it's something that happens every single day, multiple times

like, I don't understand? this will get literally NO ONE so what's even the point in making a bait this bad??

>>520943598 (OP)
Look at that squirmy Roman zogbot getting mogged.
He can't do shit because the Romans were pussies.
He was probably crying for another full legions help to take on that chad Norsemen.
Get owned little pussy Roman.

Big Euro Cock
BEC

>>520944041
What's funny is it's always jews who cry about the Fall of the Romans. lol

EVERY
SINGLE
TIME

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>>520957962
The irony of the Septuagint being more similar to the Samaritan Torah is that Jesus had a particularly Judahite conception of "Israelite". For some reason he implied Samaritans weren't Israelites. Well, this is problematic, because if you weren't Samaritan, then you had the pre-Christian jewish faith, so effectively Jesus only thought those of the jewish religion were Israelites, despite Samaritans following the oldest, most authentic example of the Israelite religion.

Matthew 10:5-6
>Τούτους τοὺς δώδεκα ἀπέστειλεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς παραγγείλας αὐτοῖς λέγων, “Εἰς ὁδὸν ἐθνῶν μὴ ἀπέλθητε, καὶ εἰς πόλιν Σαμαρειτῶν μὴ εἰσέλθητε·
>πορεύεσθε δὲ μᾶλλον πρὸς τὰ πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα οἴκου Ἰσραήλ.
>These twelve (the) Jesus sent forth, having given command to them, saying, >“Do not go away into the way of the goyim* (ἐθνῶν), and do not go into a city of the Samaritans,
>but be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

εθνος is the Septuagint word which translates the Hebrew word "goy". Jesus is comparing the Samaritans to Gentiles/non-Jews to his apostles don't convert. And there are still retards who believe that Europeans could be the lost sheep of Israel.

The only explanation for this is that Matthew was written by the Ebionites or some related/similar group.

https://lost-history.com/christianity_is_older.php
>In Against Hereies, Irenaeus makes the absurd claim that each of the four canonical gospels was stolen by one particular heretical Christian sect. According to Irenaeus, Mark was stolen by the Adoptionists who believed the Spirit “adopted” Jesus at his baptism, Matthew was stolen by the Jewish Ebionites who kept the Torah and rejected his divinity

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>Luke was stolen by the Stoic Marcionites whose Docetic theology taught that Jesus came down from heaven unborn, and John was stolen by the Plato-loving Valentinians who identified Jesus with the Logos. As it turns out, Mark does portray an Adoptionist theology of Jesus receiving the Holy Spirit first at baptism. Matthew is the sole gospel that makes the Ebionite argument that the Jewish Laws of Moses were still in effect. Luke does portray Jesus as a Docetic phantom who can walk through people. And John is the only gospel to speak of the Logos. So it appears that Irenaeus' Apostolic Church stole and edited the heretical gospels originally written by the four sects he named so that they could lay claim to their traditions. Instead of going the usual route of combining gospels to get a full "historical" picture, Irenaeus instead kept the four gospels apart so that each one could best appeal to the various sects. Each of the four leaders of the heretical sects were likewise “converted” over to the Roman Apostolic Church to maximize the church's maximum advertising potential

>The evangelist Mark was made into a student of Peter. Peter was paired with John. James the Just was turned into a friend and ally of Paul

>Paul was aligned with the Johannine Church in Ephesus. Early bishops such as Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch were linked to the Presbyters of Ephesus and Smyrna through apocryphal epistles ascribed to them. And finally, Irenaeus connected himself personally to John through Papias, and most importantly, Polycarp. By adopting these early teachers, Irenaeus was able to convince the Adoptionists, Jewish Ebionites, Docetic Marcionites and Gnostic Valentinians that it was the heretical sects who had moved away from the theology of their respective founders. Irenaeus instead introduced a theology that harmonized all of these contentious leaders in a way similar to how some people today

They invaed a dead Empire splitted in too. They conqured ashes.
Op is a kike btw.

>>520958360
For (you)

>>520943598 (OP)
Rome didn't NEED to fall. Centuries of organization were lost. We basically don't have much historical record between the 500s and 800s AD.

>>520943598 (OP)
Fuck you Rome was based and helped Germanics get more civilised, and Germanics helped Rome drive the Huns from Europe. It fell because millions of retarded middle easterners and bougnouls mass immigrated there and replaced yhe Original high IQ Romans. Germanic genes came in clutch and pumped Italy's average IQ up again

No more brother wars, Med x Nord unity against the brown hordes of the world who seek to genocide us

>>520943598 (OP)
Denounce the Talmud, kike.

>>520960307
we wuz giants n shiet

>>520960483
>millions of retarded middle easterners and bougnouls mass immigrated there and replaced yhe Original high IQ Romans

The people who migrated to Rome in the largest numbers in Imperial Period were Greeks from Roman colonies in Anatolia, Egypt, and Syria. The original Romans were genetically close to... Spaniards/Northern Italians.

>According to multiple genome-wide studies, Southern Italians are closest to modern Greeks, while Northern Italians are closest to the Spaniards, the Portuguese, and the Southern French. There is Bronze/Iron Age Middle Eastern and Western Asian admixture in Italy, with a much lower incidence in Northern Italy compared with Central Italy and Southern Italy

>Genetic studies have indicated that the Iron Age population of Latium was a mixture of preceding Early European Farmers and Western Hunter-Gatherers, with about 30% Steppe ancestry largely coming from the Pontic–Caspian Steppe. However two out of six individuals from Latin burials from Latium vetus were found to be a mixture of local Iron Age ancestry and an ancient Near Eastern population (best approximated by Bronze Age Armenian or Iron Age Anatolian population). In addition, one out of four individuals from Etruscan civilization burials from Veio and Civitavecchia, a female, was found to be a mixture of local Iron Age ancestry and a North African population (best approximated by Late Neolithic Moroccan

>The results have indicated a substantial migration from the Eastern Mediterranean into the city of Rome and its vicinity in Central Italy during the Principate. Notably, only 2 out of 48 Imperial-era individuals fall in the Spanish-like cluster to which 8 out of 11 Iron Age individuals belong. Instead, two-thirds of Imperial individuals (31 out of 48) overlap with central and eastern Mediterranean populations, such as those from southern and central Italy, Greece, Cyprus, and Malta

>>520961134
>An additional quarter (13 out of 48) of the sampled Imperial Romans overlap with Levantine and Near Eastern populations, projecting close to four contemporaneous individuals from Lebanon

>A 2004 study by Semino et al. contradicted this study, and showed that Italians in North-central regions had a higher concentration of J2 than their Southern counterparts. North-central had 26.9% J2, whereas Calabria (a far Southern region) had 20.0%, Sardinia had 9.7% and Sicily had 16.7%

>A 2018 genetic study, focusing on the Y-chromosome and haplogroups lineages, their diversity and their distribution by taking some 817 representative subjects, gives credit to the traditional northern-southern division in population, by concluding that due to Neolithic migrations southern Italians "show a higher similarity with Middle Eastern and Southern Balkan populations than northern ones; conversely, northern samples are genetically closer to North-West Europe and Northern Balkan groups. The intermediate position of Volterra, between South and North Italy, is a mark of its unique Y-chromosomal genetic structure."

>It also keeps the debate about the origins of Etruscans open: the presence of J2a-M67* could substantiate the hypothesis of Herodotus, that of a migration from the sea of a population related to the Anatolians; the presence of G2a-L497 could point to a more Northern European origin; and finally, the European R1b lineages could suggest an autochtonous origin, following the theories of Dionysius of Halicarnassus

>>520943598 (OP)
> Bitching and crying about the Fall of Rome is literally the earliest form of White Guilt. It was conquered by Germanics
"the germanics who were part of the roman social elites, destroyed Rome, anything else is white guild or kikes divide/conqer talkingpoints"
stfu retarded christkike, we lost 90% of literature, history, science and architecture and more when CHRISTIANS DESTROYED ROME.

it was always the same thing, rome, byzantium, forced conversation and persecutions lasting until the 16th century.
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP
RETARD

>>520961134
>>520961240
Btw The "Phoenician" Carthaginians were actually Southern Italians/Greeks.

>A genetic study published in April 2025 by an international team of researchers from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology and Harvard University has offered new insight into the origins of the Carthaginians. By analyzing ancient DNA from about 200 individuals across 14 archaeological sites around the Mediterranean (including North Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, Sardinia, and the Levant), the researchers found that Punic populations were genetically diverse, with little to no direct ancestry from the Levant—traditionally considered the homeland of the Phoenicians

>Instead, according to the authors "these inheritors of Levantine Phoenician culture derived most of their ancestry from a genetic profile similar to that of populations in Sicily and the Aegean. Much of the remaining ancestry originated from North Africa, reflecting the growing regional influence of Carthage". In Carthage itself, "in 14 out of the 17 sampled individuals, we inferred less than 15% North African ancestry, and the remaining three individuals were inferred to have 20%–50% North African ancestry. As in Kerkouane, the primary source of ancestry is Sicilian-Aegean"

>These findings suggest that Phoenician expansion occurred primarily through cultural exchange, maritime networks, and local assimilation, rather than through large-scale migration. Carthage likely developed as a cosmopolitan center within a dynamic Mediterranean world, shaped by continuous interactions between indigenous populations and eastern influences

See mods didn't like ancient history thread so they made this Brazillian BOT who spams everything = "Israel and Jews!". Of course its info is all off. But it happens in EVERY THREAD when their not just retarded zoomer jokes

Saturn was never a planet until like the 1400s AD. He was a farmer god.

>>520961371
brazillian brownoid rotating the nordic israelism bullshit
stfu, youre not white and all first christians were jews who arent white, were never white.

This man is Roman cuckold fantasizing about his Roman wife getting plowed by BGC

>>520943598 (OP)
>Germanics, the most accomplished people in history
The only they're good at is coming up with new ways of ruining Europe for everyone.

>>520957344
New testament + OLD didn't exist until the the 400s AD.

It's just a bunch of ripped off stories from other cultures and lots of lines in the NT from Cynics or Stoics or Middle Platonism. Total joke. Judeans were polytheists with one tribal god versus others. It's even in the bible. But the Roman Church slowly outlawed the idea of anything but Yahweh and his rabbi gay son.

>>520961463
>implying that I am a Christian
>implying that my definition of White includes Southern Italians/Greeks

Sven, please.

>>520943598 (OP)
>the most accomplished people in history
Accomplished at destroying actual progress and civilization

>>520961623
Yahweh and his Asherah refer to the cow suckling the calf. This Aku-Aku from Crash is Egyptian dwarf/monkey god Bes.

>>520961677
a tan must be uncommon to fat brown people while all the fucking literature show that they were white back then, most south italians today are a product of a total people replacement just like the greek.
hellenistic art also varied just like medieval european art changed depictons of christian figures.

>>520961942
>a tan must be uncommon to
People who get skin cancer if they spend too much time exposed to the sun, like the Swedes. Most Swedes who manage to get a tan end up with orange/red skin, not brown/dark like Greeks because of the very white tone.

>most south italians today are a product of a total people replacement just like the greek
Sicilian Greeks ousted Levantines from the Phoenician colonies in the Western and Central Mediterranean sea. Nafrican DNA spread through females as none of the over 100 tested Punic has a Nafri Y-dna haplogroup.

>A genetic study published in PNAS in October 2023 examined the remains of 54 individuals from eighth- to fifth-century BC from the Greek Sicilian colony of Himera. The results suggest that the civilian population of Himera and the surrounding regions form a homogenous group, and are largely descended from the earlier Middle and Late Bronze Age Sicilians with minor admixtures from Iberia, the Caucasus, the Balkans and the Italian peninsula. In contrast, the main group of Himeraean soldiers appear as intermediate between the local Sicilian population and a group related to Bronze Age Aegeans, suggesting that many soldiers were plausibly the descendants of the Greek colonizers of Sicily and that intermarriage between Greeks and Sicilian locals was practiced. The rest of the Himeraean army was made up of mercenaries with ancestral origins in northern Europe, the Steppe, and the Caucasus

>A genetic study published in Nature Communications in April 2025 examined the remains of 196 individuals from 14 sites traditionally identified as Phoenician and Punic, including ones in Sicily and Sardinia. The results suggest that during the earlier stages of the Phoenician colonization, the Punic demographic expansion was primarily driven by the spread of people with Sicilian-Aegean ancestry, while Levantine Phoenicians made little to no genetic contribution to Punic settlements in the central and western Mediterranean

>>520962200
replying to me with ai answers that you didnt even bother proofreading before directly posting without even reading

stfu lukewarm iq retard brazilian

>>520943598 (OP)
Germans were the niggers of 300AD.
Imagine where we would be today if the western empire never fell.

>>520962200
Moors hardly left any DNA traces in Sicily, but the Normans who expelled them yeah.

>A genetic study published in PubMed in July 2024 analyzed burials at the site of Segesta to investigate the interactions between Muslim and Christian communities during the Middle Ages in Sicily. While individuals buried in the Christian cemetery resemble modern populations from Eastern, Southern, Southeastern and Western Europe, showing continuity with the ancient Sicilian Iron Age individuals, and carry uniparental haplotypes primarly found today in Western Europe, the individuals buried in the Muslim cemetery carry haplotypes associated with North African and the Eastern Mediterranean populations and in genome-wide analysis fall within the space represented by Europe, the Near East and North Africa, except for one male who falls within the diversity of sub-Saharan African populations. In conclusion, the biomolecular and Isotopic results suggest the Christians remained genetically distinct from the Muslim community at Segesta while following a substantially similar diet. Based on these results, the authours suggest that the two communities at Segesta followed strong endogamy rules

>Following Roman rule, Sicily, Corsica, and Sardinia were conquered by the Vandals, then by the Ostrogoths, and finally by the Byzantines. Sicily was later invaded by the Arabs in the 9th century and the Normans in the 11th century, leading to the formation of a unique Norman-Arab-Byzantine culture in Sicily. During the subsequent Swabian rule under the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II, who spent most of his life as king of Sicily in his court in Palermo, Moors were progressively eradicated until the massive deportation of the last Muslims of Sicily. As a result of the Arab expulsion, many towns across Sicily were left depopulated

>>520962332
rome fell because of christians betraying the very people who were protecting them, the same problem in byzantium.
christian decadence leading to corruption and greed, it was christians who burnt 90% of world literature, not germanic people.

>>520962348
>By the 12th century, Swabian kings granted immigrants from northern Italy (particularly Piedmont, Lombardy and Liguria), Latium and Tuscany in central Italy, and French regions of Normandy, Provence and Brittany (all collectively known as Lombards.) settlement into Sicily, re-establishing the Latin element into the island, a legacy which can be seen in the many Gallo-Italic dialects and towns found in the interior and western parts of Sicily, brought by these settlers. Before them, other Lombards arrived in Sicily, with an expedition departed in 1038, led by the Byzantine commander George Maniakes, which for a very short time managed to snatch Messina and Syracuse from Arab rule. The Lombards who arrived with the Byzantines settled in Maniace, Randazzo and Troina, while a group of Genoese and other Lombs

>After the marriage between the Norman Roger I of Sicily and Adelaide del Vasto, descendant of the Aleramici family, many Northern Italian colonisers (known collectively as Lombards) left their homeland, in the Aleramici's possessions in Piedmont and Liguria (then known as Lombardy), to settle on the island of Sicily. It is believed that the Lombard immigrants in Sicily over a couple of centuries were a total of about 200,000

>An estimated 20,000 Swabians and 40,000 Normans settled in the southern half of Italy during the 10th and 11th centuries. The Norman conquest of southern Italy caused the Norman Kingdom of Sicily to be created in 1130, with Palermo as capital, 70 years after the initial Norman invasion and 40 after the conquest of the last town, Noto in 1091, and would last until 1198. Nowadays it is in north-west Sicily, around Palermo and Trapani, that Norman Y-DNA is common, with 15% to 20% of the lineages belonging to haplogroup I. Overall, the estimated Southern Balkan and Western European paternal contributions in Sicily are about 63% and 26% respectively

>>520962928
brazillian golem farts out both ai generated texts and images, thinking anyone is going to communicate with it

>>520943598 (OP)
It's only brown bootlickers who cry about this. As someone who is descended from celts who fought romans I feel zero connection or sympathy for some wop empire

>>520963506
ChatGPT copies Leddit, not History and Science/Genetics websites, Sven.

>>520943598 (OP)
Meds BTFO.

>>520963506
This is brazilanon's thing. He's been doing this for years. He knows a lot of shit, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some AI assistance to his research, but that's an anon effortposting. Still, you should always research shit yourself. Keeps anons honest.

>>520964397
hes literally copy pasting without proofreading or proper formatting, its 100% zero effort copy pasted ai slop only to mend the brain damage caused by the christian psyop and spiritual crisis that has left him with self-inflicted cognitive dissonance.

>>520964397
I only use AI here to summarize/reduce the size of the original text I would post so that it fits within 4chan's character limit. What else would I use this for if most of my posts are just greentext from other sites and posts?

>>520964777
nice digits
okay, I don't agree with your take.
>he fell for a psyop
nigger, who hasn't?

Lot of brownoid disinfo and cope in here.

>>520943598 (OP)
Lasiwaz is not the right term to use though, its primary meaning is feeble and is used in describing objects, not people.

An apter insult would be *argaz (unmanly, effeminate), *wargaz (inferior), *un-werþaz (worthless) or *slakkaz (weak, effeminate)

>>520964826
>>520964826
I've read through tons of these history threads over the years.
Imageboards are in a bad state but you're 100% doing it right, man. Lots of lurkers have read through your content over the years live or in the archives.
The 'make the board less interesting' fags want more "is coffee bad for you" or "current thing twitterslop" tier engagement. They're going to be cunty about shit because your shit is not their shit.

I’m not a Rome fan until Constantinople and only then because it was run by brits.
romans especially were as white as i am, blonde, blue eyed. Just like Greeks were and probably Egyptians too.
Don’t get confused by looking at people who live in places today.

>>520965625
He believes that Muh Christianity caused the Fall of Roman Empire when Rome was already heavily collapsing during 3rd century. It was ridden with extreme corruption, disloyal army, rebellions, degeneracy, civil war, pax romana economy, extremely inpet emperors, Sassanid invasions, fall of principate, Barbarian invasions, overextension, bankruptcy, multiethnicity, spontaneously disorganized etc.

>Rome almost collapsed fully when Palmyra and Gallia revolted and could have been dismantled if not for Emperor Aurelian
>Sassasinds conquered almost entire eastern part of empire (where the wealthy provinces were) and could have taken it but they feared overextension and roman strife
>Civil wars of the Tetrarchy was most biggest and most brutal civil war in its history and would have surely collapsed and balkanized

The only reason why Rome survived for much longer was because of emperor Constantine the Great who unified empire and legalized Christianity and later made it state religion and moved capital away from decadent Rome. Christianity organized citizens into one religion with specific forced docritens, so that pleb and army would not go full retard for a while. Christianity unified romans and made citizens follow roman law again... for a while.

Christian Rome couldn't do shit about overextension so it divided empire into two, which was a very great decision. Western Empire was a unproductive shithole so it fallen to germanic invasions. Heavily religious Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantium survived for very long 1000 years and could have unified empire again with Justinian if the great plague didn't happen.

Don't know how the fuck can you idolise and love Roman empire so much when you think Christianity was its downfall. At this time, Rome was a multicultural empire which tried to romanize all of it's citizen but failed in doing so with culture and value of Romans, but with Christianity they do.

>>520943598 (OP)
>it was a good thing that birthed Europe as we know it
Christcuck detected

>>520965625
actual historians agree but not you, ok.
maybe a brown retard spamming ai copy pastes

>>520964826
Except that...the manner you “paraphrase” your posts is lazy and discourages engagement from other anons. Every thread you touch inevitably drops in quality because your worthless dump of textwalls further discourages every other anon to finish scrolling the thread or gloss over the better constructed replies of more knowledgeable and wiser anons.
I am sorry that you were born Brazilian and thus may naturally be deficient in the required amount of brain cells to simulate the reading experience of your would-be interlocutors and empathize their frustation. Everyone is free to post in this board, but this freedom entails responsibility from each board user. What you are doing is hardly fit to be called intellectual and is instead contributing to the rapid demise of imageboard culture.

>>520943598 (OP)
>>520943881
>>520944041
Rome is the perfect example of what happens when you let in mass amounts of foreign people into your nation. Rome had Romans, who fought, paid taxes and were loyal to the emperor. Due to many factors their birth rates declined and they started to let non-Romans become citizens, eventually letting them into positions of power. The military, governing body and people started becoming Germanic, the first "great replacement".
Of course, there's a reason why Rome was so far ahead of Germanics, they were intellectually superior, now that these inferior people took over the empire collapsed and everything the Romans built fell into ruin, Europe wouldn't see properly built public water infrastructure systems or concrete.

>>520966653
>Except that...the manner you “paraphrase” your posts
>your posts
>your

>>520966863
- Europe wouldn't see properly built public water infrastructure systems or concrete - for almost 1500 years after their collapse

>>520966442
>He believes that Muh Christianity caused the Fall of Roman Empire
of course he does, that's his 'on-message'
>>520966605
>actual historians
you mean jews that altered the + sign in their mathematics so they wouldn't have to look at a cross?
you have your own cognitive dissonance problem to work out and your own psyop you fell for it looks like.

>>520966494
>Hitler was a christcuck
News to me

>

>>520966885
And guess who brought this knowledge back to Western Europe?

>The Renaissance of the 12th century was a period of many changes at the outset of the High Middle Ages. It included social, political and economic transformations, and an intellectual revitalization of Western Europe with strong philosophical and scientific roots. These changes paved the way for later achievements such as the literary and artistic movement of the Italian Renaissance in the 15th century and the scientific developments of the 17th century

>Harvard professor Charles Homer Haskins was the first historian to write extensively about a renaissance that ushered in the High Middle Ages starting about 1070. In 1927, he wrote that:

>"[The 12th century in Europe] was in many respects an age of fresh and vigorous life. The epoch of the Crusades, of the rise of towns, and of the earliest bureaucratic states of the West, it saw the culmination of Romanesque art and the beginnings of Gothic; the emergence of the vernacular literatures; the revival of the Latin classics and of Latin poetry and Roman law; the recovery of Greek science, with its Arabic additions, and of much of Greek philosophy; and the origin of the first European universities. The 12th century left its signature on higher education, on the scholastic philosophy, on European systems of law, on architecture and sculpture, on the liturgical drama, on Latin and vernacular poetry..."

>The era of the Crusades brought large groups of Europeans into contact with the technologies and luxuries of Byzantium for the first time in many centuries. Crusaders returning to Europe brought numerous small luxuries and souvenirs with them, stimulating a new appetite for trade. The rising Italian maritime powers such as Genoa and Venice began to monopolize trade between Europe, Muslims, and Byzantium via the Mediterranean Sea, having developed advanced commercial and financial techniques

>>520966863
if they were so intellectually superior, why did they get conquered in such a stupid way?

>>520967333
>Cities such as Florence became major centers of this financial industry

>After the Fourth Crusade (1202–1204) and the Sack of Constantinople (1204), scholars such as William of Moerbeke gained access to the original Greek texts of scientists and philosophers, including Aristotle, Archimedes, Hero of Alexandria and Proclus, that had been preserved in the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire, and translated them directly into Latin

>The migration waves of Byzantine scholars and émigrés in the period following the sacking of Constantinople and the fall of Constantinople in 1453 is considered by many scholars key to the revival of Greek and Roman studies that led to the development of the Renaissance humanism and science. These émigrés were grammarians, humanists, poets, writers, printers, lecturers, musicians, astronomers, architects, academics, artists, scribes, philosophers, scientists, politicians and theologians. They brought to Western Europe the far greater preserved and accumulated knowledge of Byzantine civilization

>According to the Encyclopædia Britannica: "Many modern scholars also agree that the exodus of Greeks to Italy as a result of this event marked the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of the Renaissance."

>The final decline and collapse of the Byzantine empire in the fifteenth century heightened contact between its scholars and those of the west. Translation into Latin of the full range of Greek classics ensued, including the historians, poets, playwrights and non-Aristotelian philosophers. Manuel Chrysoloras (c. 1355–1415) translated portions of Homer and Plato. Guarino da Verona (1370–1460) translated Strabo and Plutarch. Poggio Bracciolini (1380–1459) translated Xenophon, Diodorus, and Lucian. Francesco Filelfo (1398–1481) translated portions of Plutarch, Xenophon and Lysias. Lorenzo Valla (1407–1457) translated Thucydides and Herodotus

>>520967511
>Marsilio Ficino (1433–1499) and his Platonic Academy translated Plato. Poliziano (1454–1494) translated Herodian and portions of Epictetus and Plutarch. Regiomontanus and George of Trebizond translated Ptolemy's Almagest. Important patrons were Basilios Bessarion (1403–1472) and Pope Nicholas V (1397–1455)

>Georgios Gemistos Plethon (Greek: Γεώργιος Γεμιστὸς Πλήθων; Latin: Georgius Gemistus Pletho c.1355/1360 – 1452/1454), commonly known as Gemistos Plethon, was a Greek scholar and one of the most renowned philosophers of the Late Byzantine era. He was a chief pioneer of the revival of Greek scholarship in Western Europe. As revealed in his last literary work, the Nomoi or Book of Laws, which he circulated only among close friends, he rejected Christianity in favour of a return to the worship of the classical Hellenic gods, mixed with ancient wisdom based on Zoroaster and the Magi

>In 1438–1439 he reintroduced Plato's ideas to Western Europe during the Council of Florence, in a failed attempt to reconcile the East–West schism. Plethon also formulated his political vision in several speeches throughout his life

>The boast in one of the speeches that "We are Hellenes by race and culture" and his proposal of a reborn Byzantine Empire following a utopian Hellenic system of government centered in Mystras, have generated discussion about Byzantine and modern Greek identity. In this regard, Plethon has been labelled both "the last Hellene" and "the first modern Greek"

>During the sessions at Florence of the Council of Ferrara-Florence in 1438–1445, during the failed attempts to heal the schism of the Eastern (Orthodox) and Western (Catholic) churches, Cosimo de' Medici and his intellectual circle had made acquaintance with the Neoplatonic philosopher George Gemistos Plethon, whose discourses upon Plato and the Alexandrian mystics so fascinated the humanists of Florence that they named him the second Plato

>>520967661
>In 1459 John Argyropoulos was lecturing on Greek language and literature at Florence, and Marsilio Ficino became his pupil

>Marsilio Ficino (Italian: [marˈsiːljo fiˈtʃiːno]; Latin name: Marsilius Ficinus; 19 October 1433 – 1 October 1499) was an Italian scholar and Catholic priest who was one of the most influential humanist philosophers of the early Italian Renaissance. He was an astrologer, a reviver of Neoplatonism in touch with the major academics of his day, and the first translator of Plato's complete extant works into Latin. His Florentine Academy, an attempt to revive Plato's Academy, influenced the direction and tenor of the Italian Renaissance and the development of European philosophy

>Ficino was born at Figline Valdarno. His father, Diotifeci d'Agnolo, was a physician under the patronage of Cosimo de' Medici, who took the young man into his household and became the lifelong patron of Marsilio, who was made tutor to his grandson, Lorenzo de' Medici. Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, the Italian humanist philosopher and scholar, was another of his students

>Cosimo commissioned Ficino's Latin translation of the complete works of Plato (the first ever complete translation) and collected a vast library that he shared with intellectuals such as Niccolò de' Niccoli and Leonardo Bruni. He also established a Platonic Academy in Florence in 1445. He provided his grandson Lorenzo de' Medici with an education in the studia humanitatis. Cosimo certainly had an influence on Renaissance intellectual life, but it was Lorenzo who would later be deemed to have been the greatest patron

>>520943598 (OP)
Rome had become rotten from the inside due to the natural consequence of being a republic.
When all it takes to be a Roman is to pledge allegiance to Rome, you end up with all kinds of foreign shit becoming Roman.
What's being done to Western countries is the same as what happened to Rome, they're using lawfare to destroy the demographics and the nations along with it.

>>520943598 (OP)
Germanics are great but you have to admit that the standard of living, standard of education, culture and literacy rates dropped, as well as life expectancy.

>>520943598 (OP)
>could have had pax romana among the stars
Germoids ruin everything.