Thread 520946556

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/norway-urged-tap-eu18-trillion-sovereign-wealth-fund-help-ukraine

Below is a comment I saw about Norway's possible decision here that I think sums up Europe's insanity pretty well. Europe seems to be in one of its self-destructive raged again, which Europe just goes through from time to time, like in the decades before the World Wars, the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Eras, the Thirty Years War before that, and so on.
I think Europe just has some extreme, deep-seated self-destructive impulse and desire that, even though it suppresses, always regains control eventually.

>This Ukraine fiasco -- a fiasco from the point of view of Europe and the US -- could end up doing as much damage to Europe as World War II, which ended Europe's central role in world affairs, as the master of the world for about five centuries, permanently and reduced Europe to a secondary power whose main purpose was to follow US objectives and obey its new master.

Europe is destroying itself so thoroughly in the process of opposing Russia no matter the cost that Europe might see another permanent drop in its global status, just as it did with World War II when it lost its empires and its central role on world politics and economics.

This time, instead of Europe being second best, or the silver medal winner after America, Europe might drop to the level of a middle income region of the world with little relevance or influence outside the borders of its own continent. I wouldn't be surprised to India overtake all of Western Europe both in size of economic output per year but also in geopolitical influence and power (though of course, not anytime soon, in material living standards) within a decade.

Europe is determined to destroy itself and this looks like a continental and civilizational suicide motivated by some deep self-destructive impulse. Perhaps we can compare this to a suicide-by-cop where the cop is Russia and Europe is using him to kill itself.

>>520946556 (OP)
Cant we just nuke Moscow already
one for Tel Aviv as well

>>520946556 (OP)
No pol flag = jew shill lie to you again

Jew rats that infected public office milking local population for excuse that is fake and gay

Military gear consumption is nice and just steel because no one can check what happens on the front line are just money grabbing paradise...

No one can defeat Russia USA + Nafo sisters already lost , but money still flow to the jew rat pockets and not all piglets BBQed yet.

>>520946667
I'd rather nuke your shithole

>>520946556 (OP)
Norway is among the only modern or developed countries to have a national savings, and probably the only Western one (China is a modern, developed country with extensive savings, and Russia has some savings while being basically modern and developed but not as far as the West or China), and Norway's vast national savings account is the result of decades of thrift and smart reinvestment of its oil profits.
But now, Norway, as part of the maniacal frenzy sweeping Europe today (again, just another iteration of those same self-destructive manias that Europe is prone to), is considering ruining its unique good financial situation and blowing its hard-earned savings by spending it on the Ukraine War.

I just can't fathom how an entire continent and civilization (Western Europe) can be this way. Why do they have such a need to destroy themselves? Do they hate themselves deep down and want to kill themselves, like indirectly through a series of self-destructive behaviors because they can't get themselves to the point of just a quick and easy self-nuking that would achieve the same result much less painfully?

Europe has probably seen more wars than any similar-sized region throughout its pretty long history (much younger than the likes of the Middle East, India, and China, but far older than anything still existing in the Americas, since Europe's nation-states were born in the Dark Age circa AD 500 to AD 1000).
And during all that time, Europe has perhaps fought more battles and had more wars than any other region of the world in that same timeframe. This is empirically provable by examining the historical record.
Just count all the battles, and also all the distinct and separate wars, fought in Europe from AD 800 or so until today, then compare these numbers, of individual battles and whole wars, with the same numbers for China from AD 800 until today.
Europe's total will far exceed China's total. China, yes, does go through periods of war, but only

I wonder when Normies will realize they are ruined & destroyed on purpose by their own governments.

>>520947099
yeah cuz youre brown

>>520946667
>Cant we just nuke
I wish we could, but jew rats lie about nukes too

https://youtu.be/MkB0n8tk-FA
Fear with Nuclear Weapons

So jew shill with out pol flag , you have to burn a life in a metal box on wheels

Jew rats killing off whites

>>520946556 (OP)
NATO Jens has infiltrated the finance department so most of the money will be transferred to US accounts in a few years.

>>520946556 (OP)
What's the difference. Money is not the main problem, these trillions will create nothing but wild inflation if you start spend them.That is why they are afraid to steal Russian reserves. It's just a way to bypass national governments to allocate funds when it's all just paper, which will only create inflation, but you can completely ignore the voters in this way.

>>520946556 (OP)
>GUIZ
>LETS TAKE OUR TAX PAYERS MONEY…
>…AND MOVE IT OVER THERE!!!!!

Why not just send it directly to Israel and cut out the middleman?

i dont think about you at all

>>520947130
civil wars and then, only during collapses of the ruling dynasty, China has engaged in relatively very few foreign or external wars compared with Europe or with Europe's constituent nation-states.
India is similar. It's been, throughout the ages, overall much more peaceful than the West, even though India, like China, has always practiced a level of internal domination of its own people that would make even a European living under the absolute monarchy of Louis XV blush. (Confer the concept of "Oriental Despotism.)

So I wonder, do freer and more equal societies, like Europe, America, and before us, Rome and Athens, which are all distinguished by a strong imperialistic and conqueror mentality, just shift their need for domination from inside their countries and against their own people to outside of their countries and onto foreign places instead?
Is there something like a conserved and constant need for domination that every state or government system has that has to be enacted either internally or externally, so you get to choose between either severe internal repression and tyranny or external colonization and domination of foreign peoples instead, as the only two options for a state or system of government to satisfy its thirst for power?
Because it seems like the most peaceful places, or the places least likely to engage in foreign conquest, such as India and China, are always the most internally oppressive and tyrannical societies. Meanwhile, throughout history, the freest and most egalitarian societies, beginning all the way back with Athens and its Athenian Empire, then Rome and its empire, and nowadays the West that has conquered the world since the Age of Exploration, are always the most militarily aggressive and imperialistic.

It's because their economic model has reached the end of the line in terms of ability to provide more growth, but their upper class refuses to accept it, so instead of restructuring and accepting the possibility of a period of stagnation or modest degrowth they're grasping at straws in the form of mass immigration, austerity, warmongering, and delusional utopianism about political-economic union with the near abroad

>>520948653
>It's because their economic model has reached the end of the line in terms of ability to provide more growth, but their upper class refuses to accept it, so instead of restructuring and accepting the possibility of a period of stagnation or modest degrowth they're grasping at straws in the form of mass immigration, austerity, warmongering, and delusional utopianism about political-economic union with the near abroad
I think this is a key piece of the puzzle. Also consider the AI frenzy, where elites today are throwing tens of trillions of dollars in investments made in a very short timespan (just the last few years), but for what reason?
Obviously they expect profits, but there are profitable activities that don't involve placing wild bets on everything you have. So it seems like there is more behind the AI speculation frenzy than just profit seeking, but like our elites are trying to save our whole economic models, with its hundreds of trillions of dollars in national debts across Western countries and also in unfunded financial obligations like all the juicy pensions that have been promised to tens of millions of government workers across the West, and these Western countries are throwing everything they have into the promise of AI in the expectation that the whole system can be saved if the promises of AI are true and suddenly all the investors reap, collectively, like $100 trillion or more in the next decade in returns on their gigantic investments.
What's happening with the behavior of Western countries has an element of desperation to it. It's not just normal investing anymore, nor it is normal warmongering and sabre-rattling like to deter a rival from some course of action. What's going on today is far beyond normal and looks like desperation.
You mentioned that they're trying to save their whole economic system by betting on defeating Russia militarily. I wonder if Europe has such a history of giant wars that occur in distinct periods of

>>520946556 (OP)
> blah blah blah
Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. It's obvious European "leaders" are all CIA agents, falling over themselves to continue a war that Trump doesn't want. They could sign a peace treaty with Russia tomorrow and there would be nothing Ukraine could do about it, especially since it's a Western puppet. But European "leaders" refuse to do so because they're CIA puppets. Their whole lives revolve around the meaning the continued war has for animating European society, making it directable, manageable, while it was instigated by the CIA to ruin Europe, most obviously by denying Germany cheap energy from Russia.
I can't think of any group of people more cucked than Europe right now. Totally humiliated and more to come. There will be no solution until the populist movements like AfD overthrow the status quo and we get... pro-Zionist leaders.
Oh.
LOL!

>>520946556 (OP)
Its the hysterical woman syndrome where when proven wrong (donbas is russia and not ukraine) the woman onstead of reassesing her reality, drowns the kids in the bathtub to make no sense of the situation

>>520949174
militaristic frenzy or manias because of its economic model, where Europe has been relying, since the Age of Discovery, on conquering and colonizing one place after another, as its method of growth and its way of handling economics. Maybe Europe is just a continent formed on conquest and so its economies have to be maintained by a constant stream of new conquests, sort of like ancient Rome, relied on the prospect of fresh conquests as a way to keep the state funded.

Just a guess. I'm just wondering why modern European history, by which I mean Europe since the Renaissance that marked the end of the Medieval Era, has this tendency to be convulsed by continent-wide spasms of universal warfare, or series of wars involving the entire continent, about every century. Is this odd pattern caused by Europe's economic model or by its way of growing economically?
It looks like a giant boom-bust cycle playing out in regular episodes of giant warfare with periods of steady external conquests in between each cycle of giant wars within Europe itself.

>>520949174
>>520948653
1000%

>>520946556 (OP)

Nothing new.....if somewhere is big pile of money as savings then politicians cannot keep their hands off it..always they find excuse to use those funds..

>>520949189
>Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. It's obvious European "leaders" are all CIA agents, falling over themselves to continue a war that Trump doesn't want.
Why do you say Trump doesn't want it? He signed a multitrillion dollar mineral deal with Ukraine some time this past spring. From what I know of Trump, if he's signing a deal worth trillions of dollars, then he's going to pursue whatever course of action is most likely to ensure the deal succeeds that those trillions materialize.
Trump did make promises during his campaign about ending the war within 24 hours, but he made lots of promises, and then he began walking back that promise to end the Ukraine War in a day shortly after his inauguration.
Really, I don't know what the guy wants specifically or from any particular situation, but I am sure that he wants to make America far richer and more powerful and more respected around the world, so if this means continuing the war in Ukraine, then I think that's what he'll do.

Sneed

>>520946556 (OP)
The one who saves money and doesn't just overspend into deep debt, is the one who loses the meta game. The likes of Italy and France are the winners of the europe game and the only ones who truly understood it (and they won't even join the final destructive war lmao).

>>520952855
How does blowing all your money constitute "winning the game" as you put it?
First of all, what game is this, which requires blowing all your money to win it rather than saving anything (it's an unusual sort of game)?
And second, why does winning this game require not saving anything but instead spending profligately and getting into unpayable debt?

This whole mindset, where saving it regarded as the wrong move or a losing move while reckless spending is how you win, seems like the mindset of a decadent society that has flipped centuries of conventional thinking and standards on their head.

>>520952855
There's honestly kind of a masculine / feminine cycle to this, where the former involves building up your fundamentals in an antifragile way (which is slow and doesn't produce great returns at first) while the latter involves taking those fundamentals for granted and living the high life off of them, but which erodes them over time. Kind of like working out and having a good diet until you're in excellent physical condition, and then partying and doing drugs, which is great fun at first but it eventually makes you weak and sick. This is where the meme of "my wife spends money on my credit card like it grows on trees" comes from, why every story of imperial decline has an air of "and then the women took over Rome and our decadence ate us from the inside", why women hold 2/3 of student loan debt, etcetera. They aren't cognizant of the harm this causes because it's literally not their responsibility: men are the ones who are supposed to provide and produce a safe, structured environment, while women are designed to basically hog as many resources as they can to best take care of their children. This entire nexus of deficit spending-based growth, short-termist thinking with regard to outsourcing, offshoring, mass immigration and the FIRE economy, simply lying about or ignoring the problems these cause, arch-individualism, and so on are all intrinsically feminine, because they are simply unable to wrestle with the concept of the chickens coming home to roost, because it's *not their job to worry about that*

>>520946556 (OP)
Norway is doing this because NATO (which isn't involved) is winning the war in Ukraine.

>>520952855
>The likes of Italy and France are the winners of the europe game and the only ones who truly understood it

What makes Italy and France so intelligent in the grand scheme of the European Union?

>>520954610
>They aren't cognizant of the harm this causes because it's literally not their responsibility: men are the ones who are supposed to provide and produce a safe, structured environment, while women are designed to basically hog as many resources as they can to best take care of their children
Spot on
And this is why I don't blame women for most of their harmful and irritating (lacking foresight) behaviors, since they're just doing what they're wired to do and have no real choice but to do based on their wiring.
I only think women are blameworthy insofar as their natural behaviors go when they take them to such an extreme that even most women wouldn't go there.

>>520947130
You are so mindbroken by Russian propaganda it's insane.

>>520954610
>his entire nexus of deficit spending-based growth, short-termist thinking with regard to outsourcing, offshoring, mass immigration and the FIRE economy, simply lying about or ignoring the problems these cause, arch-individualism, and so on are all intrinsically feminine, because they are simply unable to wrestle with the concept of the chickens coming home to roost, because it's *not their job to worry about that*
Spot on again
We are living in an age when the feminine spirit reigns over the masculine spirit, and I think even today's leaders, including the men, are basically feminine in their way of thinking and behaving and making decisions, since they are regularly putting short term concerns over the long-term prospects for prosperity and even survival.
I have said before that today's business world is dominated by men who think and decide like women only to be met with huffy rebukes by conservatives who assume that the "Titans of Industry" or tech or banking must be the manliest men in the world because they control more resources than any other men do.
Sure, it's manly, in a way, to hold wealth and power, but it's totally unmanly to squander that wealth and power on one frivolous pursuit after another, like how the US has been squandering its geopolitical prestige and influence with one failed military adventure after another since the start of the century. I see conservatives bray about how masculine it is to go to war and be willing to start wars and fight them, but I see nothing masculine, only feminine, in deciding to have one war after another, of the same old kind with the same motives, after a long losing streak and where the ultimate objective of each war in the series doesn't even seem to be clear.
I'd go so far as to say that Donald Trump, while projecting an aura of toughness like in making regular tariff threats and wanting to blow people up from afar, isn't acting very manly, or from a masculine mindset with masculine concern for

>>520956231
long-term consequences because he changes his mind frequently, seems to have no clear long-term objective but just some warm and fuzzy picture of a remade America standing astride the world, and he seems to be readily persuaded by smooth-talking advisors.
Trump, to me, is not a very masculine-minded leader of the sort that the great leaders of history were, from Washington and other Founders to Napoleon to Hitler even to Stalin and Mao, who, whether brutal or reasonable, all had a clear goal and clear ideas how to achieve it, rather than flailing around like women lacking a man's guidance and just rushing from one new project to another while not finishing the last one.

>>520955843
Cloved hooves typed this post

Really is astounding how much money Zelensky and his Jewish Mafia have stolen.

>>520955843
All I'm saying is Europe is making very risky and probably reckless decisions (taking risks that won't turn out well) and is doing so in order to gratifying some hyper-emotional and enthusiastic frenzy that's gripping the continent right now, and which resembles certain other episodes in Europe's past, such that Europe, from time to time, goes into these manias and then makes a bunch of self-destructive choices that generations of people end up regretting later on.
I don't think that's what the Russian propaganda is saying. This is just my assessment of the situation.

>>520946556 (OP)
It'd be worse than that, since if Jeets/Chinese take over, they're going to want to move to Europe in large numbers to enjoy all the old architecture and rape all the girls. Without an American umbrella they won't have any way to stop it.

Although personally as an American, I would LOVE for Europe to become totally uninhabitable, forcing all those Whites to move over the sea to America for refuge, bump up our non-Hispanic White percentage and maybe get this boat back on course. We can move the Spaniards down to the border and let them keep as much of Mexico as they can take, like the good old days.

>>520957052
>Although personally as an American, I would LOVE for Europe to become totally uninhabitable, forcing all those Whites to move over the sea to America for refuge, bump up our non-Hispanic White percentage and maybe get this boat back on course. We can move the Spaniards down to the border and let them keep as much of Mexico as they can take, like the good old days.
The part I don't get is how entirely abandoning our ancestral homeland, where our race evolved for tens of millennia, to hostile foreign groups is somehow good for the white race.
I can see how your preferred scenario would be good for America if it ever came to pass, which is unlikely, but that's like putting the interests of one country over the wider interests of the white race and of Western Civilization.

>>520947150
Too late for any fix that won't lay the whole continent to ashes

>>520949174
Yes, we're basically going all in on our two remaining strengths: finance capital (because of the dollar) and tech, because we've more or less hollowed everything else out. The problem - which is the same as that with the reasoning that "we can just export all our industry because we always come up with technological advances that produce new, better jobs here" - is one of an inductive fallacy, namely that because "tech" has repeatedly come to the rescue in the past by pulling a series of rabbits out of the hat that end up blowing up into huge new industries that we'll be able to do so indefinitely, to the point that we're now going all in on trying to create a LITERAL deus ex machina. The irony is that China is now leapfrogging us in this specifically because they didn't do that: they're eating our lunch on EV's and solar power, among other things, because they're combining their massive industrial base with high science, which is also reflected in how their approach to AI is in more of an "applied sciences" vein where they're trying to use it to iterate and improve upon existing industries and technologies, rather than our pursuit of AGI as an expression of "well we'll just pull the ultimate rabbit out of the hat in the form of a machine that pulls infinity rabbits out of the hat"

>>520957052
If anything is to remain of European people, consolidation along European roots is inevitable. On what piece of soil it happens kinda irrelevant imo.

Either way it's not going to be pretty. You are looking at pockets of tens of millions of Europeans in an otherwise south Africa tier north America and Europe.

Meanwhile all production relevant to military power is concentrated in the hands of hundreds of millions Chinese. One thing is for sure the future will involve a large fraction of blue eyed girls being sold as comfort girls to the Chinese. GG Chang.

At least we proved we aren't racist. We did didn't we?

Trump has made it clear that US money to Ukraine is going to cease, so future support will have to come from Europe.

>>520956231
>I see conservatives bray about how masculine it is to go to war and be willing to start wars and fight them, but I see nothing masculine, only feminine, in deciding to have one war after another, of the same old kind with the same motives, after a long losing streak and where the ultimate objective of each war in the series doesn't even seem to be clear.
Like a drunk woman screaming at her boyfriend to start a bar fight that she doesn't have to actually face the consequences of. The temptation of course is to blame this whole mindset on the Jews, but I think it's more just that of cosmopolitanism in general, and capitalism which is the same ethos encoded as an economic system: the people in the cities (the bourgeoisie, if you will) see wealth and prosperity as something to be gained personally and which is essentially acquired through clever social maneuvering (feminine) and are either oblivious to or scoff at the painstaking nurturing of fundamentals which even allows the space for that in the first place (masculine). The nation, the workers, the people, the civilization aren't a collective project to be developed but rather a resource to exploit, and anyone arguing to the contrary is somewhere between deluded with romantic notions of an idealized past or just asshurt that they aren't clever to enough to take advantage of these "opportunities" like they are

>>520958300
Yup

There is a self destructive seed in the whole concept of civilization itself

>>520958300
This is why it's kind of academic to make a distinction between Indians, Jews, capitalists, the bourgeoisie, "liberal elites", or corporate raiders doing the same thing: it proceeds from something more basal about human psychology where everyone is on their best behavior and working as a team when the tribe is under threat and the male warbands are running a stratocracy, but then once the situation is secured and the men let their guard down it devolves into campfire (and later, court) politicking where people squabble over who gets to preen at the top of the social hierarchy. It's why Carthage with their globohomo mercenary army funded a maritime commercial empire were baffled as to why the Romans didn't just submit and instead kept fielding legions until they defeated them, and why Rome subsequently devolved after reaching the apex of Mediterranean domination into 3 centuries of court intrigues and power struggles before imploding

>>520958970
funded by*

>>520946556 (OP)
>I think Europe just has some extreme, deep-seated self-destructive impulse blablabla
How about you take that psych 101 bullshit and shove it up your retarded ass you fucking moron. What's going on isn't Europe, it's the result of american deepstate, neocons and general warmongers grooming certain people into power positions who are now left loose without leadership from their handlers. Loose canons indeed, and everyone's invited to make fun of these dumb fucks. But we should never forget it was mericunts who started this shit.

>>520946556 (OP)
Is Russia winning?

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