Thread 520950207

Let's see if you are smart enough to explain the following social phenomenon:

* Germans speak different languages (Bavarian is considered a separate language by many), but they think of themselves as one nation.

* Slavs start fighting each other, when there are significant differences in the language of any kind (Russians vs Ukrainians, Croats vs Serbs, and so on)

* Latinos speak slightly different dialects of the same language, but think of each other as foreigners.

Can you explain why this happens?

Babel

>>520950207 (OP)
Language has nothing to do with it.
It's all about history. Past grievances. IE, a leader in one country did something some years ago to another that created bad blood.

Religion used to be a big deal. Catholic Bavarians had more in common with non-German Catholics than Protestant Germans.
This ended when France invaded Bavaria in 1870.

>>520950493
>Language has nothing to do with it.
It's literally the biggest factor in deciding whom we see as "foreign".
>Past grievances
Everyone's got them.

>>520950950
>Religion used to be a big deal.
Yes, but all Latin countries are Catholic. Russians and Ukrainians are mostly Orthodox. Germans are mixed. No clear pattern here.

>>520950207 (OP)
Tribe is not simply language

The limits of our language are the limit of our thoughts. Families, clans and tribes are political. As for change, transformational linguistics is a thing, trust the science. Early Chomsky, ironically.

>>520950207 (OP)
Geography. No mountains between Hamburg and Munich. Meanwhile there Czech, closer than Munich, are something else.

>>520950207 (OP)
German nationalism took like 100 years to and a lot of work by a bunch of very smart people to finally get off the ground.

>>520950207 (OP)
By the way, you probably all failed the test. OP has a geopolitics background and wanted an explanation based on geography.

>>520950321
fipped and bipped

>>520950207 (OP)
Inability to understand the context and emotional nuances of word and tones, usually begins as a poor vs rich sector kind of difference. The poor people make language for how they deal with likewise happenings and so do the rich. Rich have no word for struggling with money. Poor have no word for luxury

>>520950207 (OP)
>* Latinos speak slightly different dialects of the same language, but think of each other as foreigners.

italians, portuguese, french and romanians are my brothers. so are germans, for historical reasons.

latin americans are aliens and have more in common with mutts than anybody else. their culture is american. their race is a mix of chinks, moors, niggers and kikes. their language is mix of a bunch of native american languages, spanish and english and we don't understand them 90% of the time. they either speak neutral spanish with zero local words or it's a total foreign uncomprehensible babble.

>chileans be like: wea culiao concha tu mare weon valle callampa.

>spaniards: what?!

>still have no idea what the heck a wea is and i've talked with chileans for 20 years. they are unable to explain what their babble means. i. don't. understand. your. nigger. babble.

>>520952232
>No mountains between Hamburg and Munich.
No mountains between Serbia and Croatia, or between Russia and Ukraine.

>>520952798
>latin americans
Yes, I meant Spanish-speaking Latin Americans, and how they see each other as foreign.

Do you have trouble understanding Narcos or Narcos Mexico without subtitles?

>>520951491
>It's literally the biggest factor in deciding whom we see as "foreign".
If they look "white" (broadly defined) then yes.

>>520950207 (OP)
No one answered this correctly, it seems.

>>520952798
>mutts

>>520954584
>>520952232
Let's try this, anon, since you are willing to think with me.

This is the elevation map of Europe. If you try too hard, you can even see the european borders taking form on it.

The redder the color, the steepest the mountain. Since this thread is about language, language development is very related to geography.

Notice from mountains alone, you can expect Italy to be something entirely apart from Germany and France. The same goes to Spain and France.

If you draw a line from, let's say, Frankfurt am Main in Germany towards Munich, you have reasonably the same country still. But if you dry a shorter line between Frankfurt and Prague, you get a new language because a language barrier erupted. And the germans and the czech historically fought wars, the most recent being in the 1930s, and both have different language.

Now let's look at the Balkans.

The Balkans are a shitshow of nations and languages because every single nation that formed was split by chains upon chains of mountains. The same goes to Romenia, Bulgaria and Turkey.


>>520954584
If this is about IQ, please say it fast, so I can leave the thread.

Give us the correct answer.

>>520950207 (OP)
people are retarded. if you think you can explain retardation then you are also retarded. humans are retarded animals and no amount of thinking about it is going to make any difference to the fact that they are retarded

>>520950207 (OP)
humans were always somewhat decentralized but banded together loosely due to common ancestors. there are towns in places like texas and england that are only miles apart but absolutely hate each others fucking guts like true enemies due to generational petty sports rivalries

>>520955634
>texas
Never heard of that (But I've never been to Texas). Like, you'd get beaten up for being from the wrong town?

I've heard of English soccer hooligans, of course. But the hatred is among the hooligans, not normal people.

>>520950207 (OP)
usa pysopsed latin american nations to mistrust each other

>>520950207 (OP)
Dialects does not mean you are not of the same blood or origin. Slavs are multiple different ethnic groups. Related, but separate. It's not just about language. Latinos are a bunch of mutts who have false identities revolved around the state, not the nation. Their sense of nationhood is destroyed

To sum it up, it is a mistake to conflate state and nation. But those who have no consistent continuity have no nation, and will naturally do so. Slavs and Germanics are rooted. The angloid has confused themselves on this because of their empire. But us Irish know this intrinsically because I am literally living in a state not of my own yet I belong to a different nation

There's the answer

>>520955492
CORRECT ANSWER:

It's about everything: religion, language and intelligence/education. When there are small differences in religion or language, people with high rates of literacy/education/high IQ can overlook them.

>>520955925
>Like, you'd get beaten up for being from the wrong town?
yeah but its been dying down since the 2000s due to the over-reaction to "bullying"

>>520956161
What a dumb fucking take. 0 history knowledge, 0 geopolitical knowledge, oversimplifications stacked over blatant ignorance of not only regional relations but basically everything possible.

But i guess it suits your stupid theory.

Oh and bavarian is german, with a slightly different pronunciation and like 100-200 (commonly used) separate words.

Another american who watched 2 docus, read a book or 2, swallowed "history pills" on /pol/ and now wants to "test us" (tell us tru...bullshit about ourselves. What pathetic pos.

>>520950207 (OP)
Bavarian dialect is vatly different you could go to a remote town and have a hard time understanding them. I once talked to a swiss teacher and he said that those idiots have a really hard time writing without being completly fucked by orthography errors.

>>520957668
>bavarian is german
I actually know more than you on this topic. In German, Bavarian is called a dialect (Mundart), while in English, it's called a language. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_language

In German, they downgraded it to a "dialect" for political reasons.

>>520951491
>It's literally the biggest factor in deciding whom we see as "foreign".
It depends on the language. There's a pretty big distinction between languages used for large colonial empires (English, Spanish) and languages that were largely confined to the same ethno-cultural community (German).

>>520958042
It has the same grammar, same word roots, no standardization and most importantly - it exists on a dialect continuum. It means that in regions every 30-50km it will differ slightly like a on a gradient - from the high german speaking regions, up until southern and eastern austria.

There is no austrian language, and there should not be, as it is only a cluster of dialects super similar to bavarian - and im telling that as an austrian dude. We learn german in school, just as bavarians do, and its great. One big family.

What shouldn't be considered 3 separate languages is for example serbo-croatian (including bosnian). Its just as much a gradient of dialects with minimal differences. On the other hand silesian is considered a dialect of polish and yet it has a different grammar and is often understood better by czechs than poles.

See, shits not that simple.

Again, when it comes to your stupid theory. Bitch STFU

>>520957798
Wennst einen aus münchen ned verstehn kannst, bist einfach ein dummkopf. Überall wirst du in deutschland regionen finden, wo man bauern kaum checken kann oida

>>520957798
That's what I'm saying. If Germans/Bavarians were Slavs, Bavarians would have rebelled against their oppressors who force them to read and write in a foreign language.

Of course, dialects are mostly disappearing these days. So I'm talking about the situation 100 years ago, or before.

Bavarian vs Standard German is like Ukrainian vs Russian. Croat and Serbian are much closer to each other and are probably like the differences among the different dialects of Spanish in Latin America.

>>520950207 (OP)
Easy, it's not about language.

>>520958991
Once again, in English, we call Bavarian a language. You are not speaking English properly, if you keep referring to Bavarian as a "dialect".

Like most Austrians, you've been brainwashed into thinking Bavarian is not a language since the day you were born.

Pathetic, if you ask me. Doubly pathetic since you cannot even understand this, when it's pointed out to you.

I will not reply to any more of your comments, since they are so low on intellect.

>>520958991
Alter ich komm selber vom land dann gehst 10km in irgendeine richtung und du kannst kaum verstehen was die sagen.

>>520958042
bavarian is almost totally understandable for swizers and austrians anyways. germanics and celts just enjoy using local slang to complicate things for the lolz

>>520950207 (OP)
Latinos tried to unite many times in many regions, but turns out it wasn't just language differences. Brazil is strange on this regard because we remain whole despite many racial and language differences, it's a miracle we haven't balkanized, there was even an attempt at a Muslim Republic here once.

> Can you explain why this happens?

It's a necessary characteristic of the Hive Mind of Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder.

The Hive Mind derives all of its power from absolute discipline and psychological perfection of group-think.

The moment a dissident tries to upstage the dominant consensus in the Hive Mind is the moment that all hell breaks loose.

The hive mind can never make any concessions to dissident thought whatsoever.

The hive mind is utterly ruthless in requiring uniformity of thought.

tl;dr == most people will almost always retain and harbor their very worst and most virulent hatred for those who are closest to them.

It's a fundamental axiom of life on this Earth, and there's not a d@mned thing you can do about it, other than plotting a wide berth to try to avoid it.

That's why we're all Purebl00ded outcasts, and why all the Normies are v@xxinated to the gills with MRNA & Lipid Nano Particles & Plasmid DNA.

Whereas we outcast Free Thinkers are all Purebl00ded.

Not a d@mned thing you can do about it.

Not. A. D@mned. Th@ng.

The Hive Mind of Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder.

>>520956161
I am very disappointed. People are discussing history, geopolitics and statecraft. And the answer you wanted was IQ, as if the modern (declining) IQ of these societies had not been lower or higher in the past.

You are a complete, irredeemable idiot.

I regret participating in this thread.

>>520952798
cope and seethe eurofaggot

your shit continent is being conquered by Islam, meaning we are comfy here in our tropical paradise

all of your youth are commie cucks and faggots, your countries are dead

>>520959699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwJj2EpC8vg

>>520960235
Your answer was stupid. I explained why: >>520953287

>>520960721
.. sorry, I meant this guy: >>520960083

>>520959043
>That's what I'm saying. If Germans/Bavarians were Slavs, Bavarians would have rebelled against their oppressors who force them to read and write in a foreign language.

Brainwashed burger seeing the world in terms of oppressors/oppressed and ignoring that european identities did not and still do not form in a nationalistic way. You also completely ignore rich european history, which despite of all the wars and conflicts, is all about values that you burgers will never understand. Germans and Slavs proved over last 1000 years to be able to coexist peacefully under the right conditions and austrians are a living proof of it.

Oh and btw austrians are, regionally, up to 50% slavic genetically speaking, especially in the east, just as eastern germans, who are descendants of germanic people AND slavic polabians/wends. What are we gonna do with that fact, burger?

>Bavarian vs Standard German is like Ukrainian vs Russian.

>Facepalmcompilation.gif

Real ukrainian is completely different from russian, has A FUCKING DIFFERENT GRAMMAR and is only spoken in very west ukraine. Between true ukrainian and russian theres the gradient, surzhyk, which goes all the way to the eastern UA. It doesnt change the fact that ukrainian is its own language while bavarian isnt...Russian soldiers in the current war who encountered ukrainians speaking actual ukrainian reported to their generals that it was polish people. Only 60% of the vocab is same, ukrainian has more tenses and cases. Now show me such differences between german and bavarian german. You wont.

Dude, i usually dont waste my time on such shit threads/amerimutt idiots, but im gonna make an exception just to shit on your gay thread and your stupid mcdonald's ass.

>>520950207 (OP)
Bavrarians drink beer, I drink beer. Heretical slavs call us a racial slur as official name.
Niemci = Barbarian

>>520960999
being a REAL barbarian is an honor

>>520960999
Dude like 2sec google search and you find out what bullshit your talking du piffke.

Niemci= non-speaking (their language)

>>520950207 (OP)
Is Russia winning?

>>520961978
>>520961978
>>52096197

>>520959657
Oh i see now xd didnt see this brainrot post until now. I dont care if you respond, ill just continue shitting on you and your thread xd

Just because in your region of the world a foreign dialect was once named a "language" doesnt mean shit. Austrians understand bavarians perfectly while other germans often dont- hell, we basically share the same vocab, which is separate from standard german. Does that make me "brainwashed" or is it me who sees things clearly?

That doesnt make austrian dialects a "bavarian language" or bavarian dialects "austrian". Its all still same grammar as german and once different pronunciation rules have created a different "bavarian" ortography, which looks painfully retarded, as if someone's trying to forcefully accentuate his language as something separate, while writing like a nigger in USA

I wrote before that only 60% of ukrainian vocab is same as in russian. Similarly 60-70% of ukrainian vocab is same as in polish. Does that make ukrainian a polish dialect? Or maybe polish is just russian but on the other side of the gradient? Nope.

All these languages have very different grammars, while german dialects are sometimes not intelligible mainly due to the pronunciation and micro-regional-vocab-differences. You should try suddenly making up 100 different languages in UK with your stupid logic

>>520962577
I gave you multiple, legit examples of why you're wrong while youre only line of defence until now is "bb-but its called a langwich on my wikipedia" "not gonna respond to your lesser knowledge and intellect" (xDDDD)

Pathetic mutts. I hope democrats will fuck your asses right after trumps term, you stupid goys. Always the same shit with you people.

>>520960932
LOL at Austria - less R1B than Romania! Pathetic. Not going to read the rest of your comments.

t. R1B Chad.

>>520964234
sounds like we need a war on IQ and blood

>>520960932
>Real ukrainian is completely different from russian
You know nothing.

A Russian guy told me he learned Ukrainian by watching Ukrainian TV for a couple of weeks. He's never been there. He said Ukrainian had only 200 words that are truly different from Russian.

I'm getting real tired of your stupidity.

>>520950207 (OP)
This was a test
99% of whites failed
You’re not sentient

>>520964875

Now you showed us all how much of an imbecile you truly are

>a rUsIAn gOy tOlD mi

Russians will tell you that ukrainian is a russian dialect for the same reason as israelis tell the rest of the world that all Palestinians are terrorists you bloody idiot. Facts are facts and some "russian guys retarded opinion" is not gonna magically change them

R1b ratio doesnt mean shit. Look at its ratio and the ratio of r1a in the nordic countries. Very long time ago slavs assimilated within germanic folks in scandinavia. nobodys gonna teach you that in school.

>>520950207 (OP)
>People who went through the same 19th century state formation process (same army, same textbooks, same capital) consider themselves one nation even if they cannot understand each other (germniggers).
>People who went through competing state-formation processes consider themselves different nations even if they speak the same language (slavziggers, latin*x).
That is the entire explanation. Language is almost irrelevant,

>>520950950
You are right on what you say but France never invaded Bavaria. It declared war on Prussia, Bavaria joined as France was seen as the agressor but french army could barely cross the Rhine before getting overrun by German armies

R1B = North-Western European (a.k.a. White person). Everyone else is just visiting.

>>520956161
Thats why big countries are known for high iq. Lol what a retard.
>>520957668
Mutts have 0 knowlege of histroy in general.

>>520950207 (OP)
I always say Latins and Romance speakers are my bros.
It's a Slav conspiracy to keep us divided.

>>520967207

>nordics arent white

XDDDDD

Thank you, Mr. McMutt for sharing with us your golden wisdom on Europe, IQ, genes and religions. Another time you showed us the truth and light, Mr. White

https://youtu.be/84hnXzq3Y0Q?si=TC3ciHabTJcAEsJU

>>520951833
Early Wittgenstein. Check out how he abandons the idea of language being limiting in his later work. Chomsky changes drastically with the minimalist program later in his career.

>>520967207
>>520964234

>nordics and austrians arent white

XDDDDD

Thank you, Mr. McMutt for sharing with us your golden wisdom on Europe, IQ, genes and religions. Another time you showed us purest truth and light, Mr. (I want to be)White

https://youtu.be/84hnXzq3Y0Q?si=TC3ciHabTJcAEsJU

>>520950207 (OP)
Germans share a deeper cultural base and have been a state for a long time, too.
Slavs are always on edge because slightly different accents can correlate to different institutional allegiances.
And Latinos are all like a bunch of disparate bastards whose mothers were all raped by the same greasy spaniard drunk.
I couldn't explain farther than that, if I'm right at all

>>520956161
OP confirmed low IQ, so we can't overlook those things

>>520950207 (OP)
Ez answer.
Noone gives a fuck about your irrelevant test.

>>520950207 (OP)
>* Germans speak different languages (Bavarian is considered a separate language by many), but they think of themselves as one nation.
Go ahead, share more of your fanfiction and Common Core education, la creatura mystery meat amerimutt.

>>520957798
If you've been born and raised in Germany, before the advent of smartphone-parenting and late-stage amerimuttification, you shouldn't have any issue understanding dialects -- unless you're talking to elderly, who slur most of their speech.

>>520959657
>Once again, in English, we call Bavarian a language. You are not speaking English properly, if you keep referring to Bavarian as a "dialect".
It is a dialect.
>Like most Austrians, you've been brainwashed into thinking Bavarian is not a language since the day you were born.
lol
lmao
>Pathetic, if you ask me. Doubly pathetic since you cannot even understand this, when it's pointed out to you.
Mutt, please tell me you're baiting.
>I will not reply to any more of your comments, since they are so low on intellect.
Do everyone a favor and quit posting alltogether.

>>520950207 (OP)
Bavarian is the same language you stupid mutt, kys Juan.

>>520950207 (OP)
>Slavs start fighting each other
slavs must not be allowed any form of unity under any circumstance, because they present too big of a threat for the west, it's not exactly high level geopolitics to acknowledge this and try to eliminate the threat before it even materializes
the habsburgs, the british, and now the judeoamerican regime all understood this, and worked tirelessly on fabricating antagonism between the ethnic groups and keeping the preexisting tensions high
otherwise you'd have a unified slavic nation in the east, south, and maybe the west if circumstances were a little more favorable for poland and its smaller neighbors

Community

>>520974102
Fear and propaganda.

>>520950207 (OP)
>even people who are similiar hate each other

Human nature isn't deep, OP