Thread 521230456

Conservatives define just a slight amount of social welfare (like what Mamdani is doing) as socialism. But actual socialism would usually go further, where a large portion of the industries in the country would be controlled / owned by the state.
If socialism is just welfare to you, why the fuck do you hate it. Its clear that the current system we live in can't give you a reasonable cost of living. So i don't see why the government shouldn't get involved in housing and making sure that life is atleast affordable.
Im not saying that all industries should be governement owned, but at the very least important shit like roads, housing, healthcare, electricity, sewage, police, etc should be handled by the government.
If you're ok with the govenment making roads and bridges, why is housing a step too far?
Also, the housing market right now is probably the least capitalist market. It literally has central planning in the form of zoning. And lots of regulation. Right now the system is factually rigged in favour of property owners, since restrictive zoning greatly hampers construction and creates artificial scarcity.
The housing market is basically welfare for the rich. So why not advocate for more fairness and help non property owners too?
>Socialism never works!
You are thinking of pure socialism, where the government controls all industries. Im not advocating for that.

>>521230456 (OP)
Because it doesn't work.

>>521230456 (OP)
>Conservatives define just a slight amount of social welfare (like what Mamdani is doing) as socialism.
I don't think free buses are socialist. I call Mamdani a socialist because he calls himself a socialist and I believe him.

>>521230456 (OP)
communism does work though o algo

>>521230456 (OP)
America already has socialism, it's called the welfare state.
>In fiscal year 2022, the US federal government spent approximately $1.19 trillion on welfare programs, and state and local governments spent an additional $862 billion in 2021, for a combined total of over $2 trillion
https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/state-and-local-backgrounders/public-welfare-expenditures

>>521230607
>Because it doesn't work.
It works in Europe just fine. And we already have the government doing other forms of welfare. Why not just add two additional thing to that? (housing and healthcare)

>>521230456 (OP)
>1pbtid
>basically a memeflag

>>521230810
>in Europe
Europe is a shithole filled with browns with machetes
Socialism only works in 90% white, well educated societies.

>>521230456 (OP)
>Why do you hate (Authoritarianism)
Natsoc stuff is only popular currently because it is the antithesis to your position, freedom of speech matters, and if any of you had a real desire to change the world for the good you would not have left in gaymer gate

Most of all though, it doesn't work and kills millions, all for a couple of jews to sit wealthy at the top, with no opportunity for (you) to ever get there

>>521230810
It works in Europe because American taxpayers subsidize their defense. Without our gibs Europeans would have America-tier standards of living too

>>521230783
>>In fiscal year 2022, the US federal government spent approximately $1.19 trillion on welfare programs
But america likes to pretend that it isn't socialist, and therefore these trillions are spent very inefficiently. The government should be providing housing because its the most expensive its ever been.
Lots of issues with poverty, homelessness, etc are downstream of the housing issue.

>>521230456 (OP)
I HATE POLITICS I HATE THIS BOARD I HATE YOU. YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING HOMOSEXUAL SCHIZOPHRENIC FAGGOTS ARGUING ABOUT BULLSHIT THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE. THIS BOARD IS JUST A MASSIVE WASTE OF EVERYONES TIME. ANYONE YOUNG ENOUGH LEAVE WHILE YOU CAN AND NEVER COME BACK.

>>521230456 (OP)
socialism is great until it runs out of other peoples $$$

>>521231026
this is how i know you’re brainwashed go pledge allegiance every morning you cult creep

>>521230988
The U.S. government spends approximately $67 billion annually on low-income housing assistance, with major funding coming from HUD programs like the Housing Choice Voucher program ($36 billion in FY2025) and the Project-Based Rental Assistance program ($16.9 billion in FY2025). The idea that we just haven't leaned into socialism enough to solve these social ills is ridiculous.
https://www.pgpf.org/article/how-does-the-federal-government-support-housing-for-low-income-households/

>>521230456 (OP)
get a life man, you won't help nobody with this shit and you will end up in a fucking prisioner camp
>>521231017
only sane post
/thread

>>521231026
Get off 4chan dad, you're 72

>>521230456 (OP)
>he doesn't know
Socialism is fine when limited. What we fucking "hate" are "socialists."
Also known as commies that are trying to blend in.

>>521230924
>It works in Europe because American taxpayers subsidize their defense
I don't think a military and socialism are mutually exclusive. Just don't spend as much money on foreigners. Even a small amount spent on housing would alleviate alot of issues.
We already spend alot on welfare. We just need to use that same money in a more intelligent way (ie actually building housing)
>>521230872
>it doesn't work and kills millions, all for a couple of jews to sit wealthy at the top
But our current system already has that. We already have extreme income inequality.
Also, America isn't that capitalist anyways, like i mentioned in my OP post.
>>521231026
Good thing we don't need much to solve our problems.
>>521231327
that spending doesn't involve actually building gov't owned housing. It involves helping you pay for housing instead. Which is less effective. And not really socialism
The jew landlords still get their money and keep inflating prices.

>>521230456 (OP)
It works if humans were insects or robots.

>>521231582
Current system IS socialism, and most of the lost opportunity is due to socialist policies, that said if you were to push true and full socialism, instead of a bunch of millionaires, you'd have 5 trillionaires

>Lets just give a couple of guys full power over everything, this will surely give power to the people
>Also lets confiscate their posessions because generational wealth bad for some reason, even though literally anyone can create it so long as the opportunity to do so is there

Socialism is only for 200 IQ people so if you're below that it goes to shit. Humans are too inadequate for socialism, white humans that is. Brown subhumans aren't adequate for anything

>>521230456 (OP)
Most conservatives are what you would call "Wagies" and contrary to popular belief Wagies do believe in and support socialism but they only support the kind of socialism that goes to big corporations in name of bailouts. Crazy I know but that's just the way they are.

>>521230456 (OP)
We don't want the government taking care of us. All we want the government to do is be stagnant, feckless, and hard to kill. That way there's no room for a more ambitious government to come in and start meddling with our lives. Power is meant to trap the power hungry so they kill each other, not anyone else.

>>521231814
>Current system IS socialism
its socialism in favour of the rich.
You have central housing planning in favour of landlords, either intentionally or unintentionally.
There is lots of income inequality.
All i want is affordable housing and healthcare.
Which is absolutely possible.
>Lets just give a couple of guys full power over everything
Im not advocating for the gov't owning / controlling everything. Just specific things.
>instead of a bunch of millionaires, you'd have 5 trillionaires
We already have very extreme income inequality though. 90% of the wealth is basically held by the top 10%

>>521232452
>if only we did socialism different it would work!

America is expensive. If you want it to become more reasonable elect people who's sole focus is cutting bureaucracy and redundancy and integrating tech to streamline every aspect. You live in an ever burgeoning bureaucracy because that's what believes it needs to do to survive. It doesn't need to survive. It needs to be cut down to the roots and eradicated.

>>521232452
>If the people we give power to are initially poor, they will not become the five trillionaires
Want affordable healthcare? allow unlicensed individuals to practice medicine, otherwise you're expecting medschool for free, which doesnt work and fucks everything up
>But then they will be shit doctors
and then they wont get business, while good doctors will regardless of their licensure

>>521231217
>>521231513
>keep calm

You don't need to revamp the entire economic system to prevent power from concentrating in the hands of the few. You just need to tax land speculators enough to quit speculating on land.

>>521230607
It worked in post ww2 Australia. We were never commies but we had public housing and sheeeit

>>521230456 (OP)
I only like socialism of the national variety.

>>521233530
>Mfw I am australian and left
>Mfw can confirm it does not work
ASIO is daycare for retards, healthcare is cheaper here than in Aus, and I don't have health insurance

Also
>Look at us we're fine
>Has "casual" employment and underemployment stats to hide absolutely disgusting unemployment rates due to high minimum wage and general socialist policy

>>521232591
By what standard would it not work?
You already accept that the current system is socialism for the rich.
So why not change that and try to make life more affordable
>>521232858
>It needs to be cut down to the roots and eradicated.
I don't think thats completely possible anyways. Corporate landlords lobby the gov't and individual property owners vote to maintain the status quo.
Implementing free market policies won't be permanent on a local level. We need some type of permanent solution.
Housing should be considered a human right and the gov't should have some sort of agency that is dedicated to keeping prices down via building gov't owned housing. And the local gov'ts shouldn't be able to block this.
Either way, we need a gov't that has the political will to actually change things.

>>521233385
>You don't need to revamp the entire economic system
Thats not even what i'm advocating for. Just make all new housing public, thats it. And build a shit ton of it.

>>521233943
>Confiscate peoples land
>Print money
>Force labor
>Ban investment
Just kill all the sparrows and there will be an end to the famine

>>521233166
what are you even talking about? How would making healthcare affordable create billionaires?
Also those already exist.

>>521230456 (OP)
socialism without racial nationalism is just a human sex and labor slave pen + mass starvation, historically (every damn time) and intentionally.

>>521233681
Unemployment is due to mass immigration and 457 visas, EVERYTHING is cheaper in USA. Everything bar nothing, food, cars, energy, land, healthcare.

>>521230456 (OP)
>a slight amount of social welfare (like what Mamdani is doing)
Taken DIRECTLY from Mamdani's website:
-Freeze rent (aka price controls) .... LMAO absolutely proven to not help anything at all and totally enshitify a market

-Build 'public housing' ..... LMAO yeah expensive housing projects, gee thats never been tried before. Government spends triple cost to build 'union built' buildings with 'diverse owned businesses' (see why govt cant get a good deal on anything?), and then spends quadruple repair budget housing niggers while the area sinks into a shithole despite the government pouring resources in to constantly repair and clean the properties.

-Crack down on bad landlords... LMAO what about cracking down on bad tennants? How can you even police somebody having 'adequate heat'? (some like their house at 60F some like it at 80F). Stupid shit like this is just a cover for the city to confiscate property, and then give it to their friends who are just as 'bad' of landlords

-'supporting homeowners' (the mean ending the tax lien sale system) .... people that dont pay their property taxes nothing happens to them if they are in the communist party.... gee wonder how that will work out?

-Department of Community Safety .... nothing more needs to be said

-City owned grocery stores.... put small business owners out of business at your government run food pantry that runs at 5x the cost of a private store, yet the shelves are always empty.... fascinating

-Free buses.... Roving niggermobiles completely free of charge !

-No cost childcare ..... No cost? How do they get people to watch your kids for FREE, at a completely FREE location? Government has ONE CRAZY TRICK !


It goes on and on and on and on and on and on; Socialists have no concept of how the world works, they think more money fixes everything. California and New York have the highest taxes and their public systems are absolutely DOG SHIT 3rd WORLD CONDITIONS. The private services are great.

>>521234152
What is this retarded strawman?
private housing will still exist, you will just have the gov't playing a big role and adding sufficient supply to the market to keep prices down
Im not advocating for stealing private property here

>>521230456 (OP)
I just dislike isms. It lends to the idea that, if you like one idea, you need to support a package. Packages are dumb. Partisanship is dumb. If people stopped playing sides we might be able to isolate some things and agree that they, on their own merits, are good or bad ideas. But instead people are divided about everything and set into dumb little teams.

>>521233681
You have to remember Australia has gone downhill since the white Australia policy was abolished. We used to be a workers paradise.

>>521233825
Socialism is just red flavored imperialism and imperialism is always financial in nature. The current socialist sytem benefits the system because that's the whole point of a system. If you give people power over you they will abuse it. That was the entire point of the US, to limit the power of the federal government so they can't fuck you. But they waged a civil war against their own people to regain that power. Then they established a central bank to pay useful idiot socialists not to chimp out. Meanwhile actual intelligent liberals and conservatives are tallying all the abuses waiting for the doomsday clock to tick over before they inevitably have to rebuild this broken down pile of shit country

>>521230456 (OP)
because whites are retards that only hate what they can't conquer... like china

>>521234337
>Build 'public housing'
he's only going to build 200k over 10 years.
Which isn't enough.
>California and New York have the highest taxes and their public systems are absolutely DOG SHIT 3rd WORLD CONDITIONS
California has central planning in favor of the rich via zoning laws.

>>521234154
>How would giving control of the healthcare industry to one guy make him a trillionaire
>how would forcing people to wageslave after sacrificing 12+ years of their life getting through medschool at extreme cost to themselves create a worse healthcare system
>how could corrupt government subsidies for programs unrelated to the services they provide become leaky and inefficient, leading to more expensive healthcare
>Billionaires bad by the way, we should have 1 trillionaire instead of 100 billionaires, rather than creating a system with opportunity, so that everyone can be rich if they do their best

Communism is appealing to midwit intellectuals because it sounds good on paper - the sparrows are eating the crops, therefore killing them all solves hunger, they never stop to think that they kill the bugs too

Communism hasn't changed, it's exactly the same, it has exactly the same proponents, exactly the same problems, and will cause the exact same deaths if implemented again

>>521234509
What are you even talking about man
I just want affordable housing. And the current system blocks construction for landlords to keep getting richer.

>>521230456 (OP)
Because socialism in the US is just taking from the whites to appease the blacks and browns. That's all it has ever been. It's just called 'socialism'.

>>521234286
I left a decade ago niggerjew, before those visas were even a thing, the economy is dead because mcdonalds can't hire starting employees for 18 an hour and business can't expand when prices are so high
>But but but living wage
>Says the fuckup who doesn't work, just gets 800 a month in disabilitybucks
Actually I'd have more respect for a neet than a wageslave in Aus

>>521230456 (OP)
i hate all governments, because they're compelled on us and impose on us obligations that are without reason or purpose except to depose of of what little value we've saved.

>>521234649
the people living in overcrowded cities are mostly useful idiot socialists and brown people who unironically voted to be fucked in the ass

>>521234473
I have only experienced corrupt shitty police state australia, I have no opinion on this, America is a better place to live in every single way

>>521234361
>Private housing will still exist, we'll just ban private investment
>I am smart and this works in my head, I am too smart to accept criticism and not dunning kreuger at all, therefore your post is a strawman
Sparrows anon, sparrows

This is the problem with midwits, they're smart enough to be dangerous and they've been told it their whole life, so they're confident they're right, but they're not smart enough to analyze themselves and question if they actually are

>>521234556
>How would giving control of the healthcare industry to one guy make him a trillionaire
it won't be under the control of one guy. You will just have a state owned health insurance provider. And the people in charge wouldn't be paid trillions.
The CEOs of these health insurance companies are already billionaires, like i said
>how would forcing people to wageslave
Retard, they would be paid for their work.
>rather than creating a system with opportunity, so that everyone can be rich if they do their best
Thats not the system america currently is.
And it won't become like that either because the rich will just lobby to rig things in their favour.
>Communism is appealing to midwit intellectuals
Im not advocating for communism.
I don't want the gov't to own everything.
>and will cause the exact same deaths if implemented again
I don't see anything like that in finland or sweden.
Also, our current system causes death.

>>521234979
>we'll just ban private investment
Nah, like i said, you can still own a house or a rental property if you have the money for it. The gov't will just add sufficient supply when it is necessary.
Also its funny that you're calling me dumb in a post that is 90% ad hom

>>521234337
The overall takeaway is its just lies and bullshit. These 'socialists' come in and promise the world and deliver nothing. Even if every person was taxed at 100% it still wouldnt cover the costs of what they want to do.

The government is NOT good at anything. Everything the government does costs far more than the private sector because the government does not have the most talented people working for it, and it has an implicit built in lack of consequence. The money being used by government officials is not theirs, decisions inextricably become political in nature such as who to give contracts to, or how long to continue to fund something that clearly has not worked out. Its a total shit show.

In the private world if you open a grocery store and people dont like it it goes out of business, no harm, no foul. If the government opens a store it will put nearby private owners out of business, it will waste tons of taxpayer money overpaying nigger employees, eating the costs of nigger stealing, and then when it finally has to close because its become such a shit show, not even communists are willing to continue funding it; now it goes out of business and you have a REAL problem because not only is the public store closed, but all nearby private stores were put out of business too.

The government should have a NARROW purview of things that it focuses on, and it should focus on doing those things to the best of its ability, and leave the rest to the private sector. If it looks like the private sector is doing a bad job at something it should be an indication to the government that the problem is NOT an easy fix and instead of jumping in and opening up GOVERNMENT BRAND of the problem; they should look for other solutions; such as ARRESTING LAW BREAKING NIGGERS.

Start there if you are a government and you cannot arrest, prosecute, and jail niggers to appreciably impact crime statistics then you shouldnt even attempt doing anything else.

>>521234992
>State owned health insurance headed by one guy, or a team that comes to be dominated by one guy
>Person with total control of an industry wont be paid millions

>They would be paid (less) for their work
>They will definitely do the same work, and there will definitely be no shortage in doctors in the future, weakening the healthcare system

>That's not what america currently is
Correct, Americas golden age was caused by a complete rejection of communism

>Im not advocating communism, just communism lite that leads to communism

>I don't see that in (europe) a region now plagued with authoritarian dictators with laws against dangerous speech to protect them from dissent

>>521235211
>You can still own
>You just cant invest your money into building homes or renovating them
>This hairbrained scheme will have no far reaching consequences because it works in my mind
Sparrows

I'm sympathetic to nationalism, socialism, and even anarchism / actual communism, despite their opposing views. Some social welfare programs would greatly benefit the citizenry if expanded and robustly funded. Ethnocentric and majority homogenous societies function better than non majority ethnic nations, and a stateless, classes society in which the means to produce for society are controlled by the public and not a special handful of wealthy individuals sounds nice on paper (but is generally ineffective in person and historically speaking has failed over and over).

No system is perfect. Take the good from the systems you see, leave out the bad.

>>521235497
Public transportation has proven to be acceptable
Public utilities (electric and water specifically) have proven to be acceptable if nuclear, creating a profit motive for either has proven to be a net negative
And public control of large scale resources (oil reserves specifically) is generally superior to private

Outside of that, socialism/communism (the same thing) has consistently failed spectacularly, killing hundreds of millions and causing the suffering of many more

>>521235497
>Some social welfare programs would greatly benefit the citizenry if expanded and robustly funded
Like what?
Local and Federal government have spent TRILLIONS on public education since the Department of Education was created and student outcomes went down in a straight line to the point we now have people in college that are functionally illiterate.

The government offered to loan money to go to college to anybody that wanted it....... how did that work?

Stupid people are stupid, you cant fix stupid; you want the government to fund stupid. You fund stupid, you get MORE stupid...... niggerbrain.

>>521234707
I make $1800 a week, but I get you, I got here by pure luck and a lot of people are doing it tough because the zog dogs in gov are wilfully negligent.

>>521235366
>>You just cant invest your money into building homes or renovating them
you keep repeating the same strawman because you have no argument
You can invest in whatever you want, but the gov't should also invest in housing.
Also, the current system doesn't allow you to invest in whatever you want anyway. The gov't blocks construction for the sake of landlords. You can't add floors to your house if you own one, for example.
>>521235297
Canada already has free healthcare, the only issue is a shortage of doctors, which can be fixed via immigration and fast tracking the licensing process.
>>I don't see that in (europe) a region now plagued with authoritarian dictators
wtf are you talking about retard, they are democracies. Hate speech as a concept only exists because people voted for it.
>Correct, Americas golden age was caused by a complete rejection of communism
cope retard, you want landlord welfare since you simp for the current system

>>521236205
I get paid 2000 a fortnight for a low paying walmart job, I have no degrees so it's the best I could get, with dollar values it's about the same as you, also I own a house, just took out a loan to buy another one actually unironically

>>521235718
>killing hundreds of millions and causing the suffering of many more
i don't see that in europe.
>>521236126
>Local and Federal government have spent TRILLIONS on public education
They have been failing because they don't hold people back a grade if they keep failing, and generally because of low standards.

>>521236262
>The shortage of doctors caused by communism can be fixed by bringing lower quality doctors from lower quality nations
You just admitted the problem I stated communism causes is in fact a problem for you

>>521236262
>All new homes should be public
>It's a strawman to hold me to what I said
You are very intelligent yes, it works in your mind therefore any criticism is a strawman by your intellectual lessors

Your are the very idea of a midwit

>People voted for authoritarian laws against free speech
You, the communist are now arguing that people are stupid and do not know what is best for them, and you'd be correct

They didn't though, most western nations have incredibly corrupt governments, the US while still corrupt is currently the outlier

>>521236408
>They have been failing because they don't hold people back a grade if they keep failing, and generally because of low standards
YEAH NO SHIT NIGGER THAT IS WHAT GOVERNMENT DOES...... THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF NOT WANTING THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN ANYTHING.

THE GOVERNMENT IS FULL OF RETARDED NIGGERS THAT MAKE EXCUSES AND WASTE MONEY AND DONT PRODUCE ANY RESULTS. THATS WHAT SOCIALISM IS.

Holy fuck your reading comprehension is almost as if you went through a government funded public school.

>>521236408
>I don't see that in poland
>I don't see that in Romania
>I don't see that in Hungary
>I don't see that in the USSR
>I don't see that in Germany
>I don't see that in Spain

>If the massacres aren't happening this very moment, they're not real and never happened

Australia had concentration camps during covid, most European governments congratulated them for their forward thinking, this is who you are praising

>>521230456 (OP)
Because fuck you I am not paying for your life

>>521236627
You can make sure that the doctors are high quality via a good licensing process
>>All new homes should be public
All new homes built by the gov't should be public, yes. And the gov't should be involved in building housing.
>the US while still corrupt is currently the outlier
nah, America is socialism for the rich.
I am simply advocating for my best interest here
Funny how you fags never argue against corporate bailouts and housing construction getting blocked by the gov't for real estate owners to keep getting richer
But apparently america isn't corrupt

>>521230456 (OP)
>government regulates prices
>businesses respond by lowering wages
>government responds by regulating wages
>businesses respond by laying off workers
>now no one has a job
>riots ensue
it doesnt fucking work you dumb nigger. you cannot fix a country of low quality people. thats why america is fucked. deporting the immigrants is a band aid, it wont do shit since most american men are complacent weed smoking video game addicts. the west is finished

>>521236792
those places don't have public housing. Im talking about places like finland. They have implemented public housing and homelessness has gone down. No mass death there.
The USSR was full on communism. which im not advocating for

>>521237239
>>government regulates prices
Don't regulate prices, just build more gov't owned housing supply

>>521237141
>You can make sure that the labor we are replacing locals with is good, they will not organize to meet your standards as they have consistently done
>Replacing the locals and making them poor is superior to simply not being communist
>Inviting mass amounts of educated foreigners is not a national security hazard

>America is socialism for the rich because in my mind socialism would work better
To install a septic tank all one needs is a shovel and a tank

>>521237341
All of those places have public housing anon

>>521237517
Ok, where is the mass death in germany?
Also, germany doesn't have government owned housing the same way finland does. Poland has very limited public housing and is more focused on private markets. This is based on a quick google search.
>>521237420
>>You can make sure that the labor we are replacing locals with is good, they will not organize to meet your standards as they have consistently done
what are you even talking about
>Replacing the locals and making them poor is superior to simply not being communist
The locals are already living paycheck to paycheck in many cases. This is to reduce overall poverty.
>>America is socialism for the rich because in my mind socialism would work better
Huh? You are just a schizo spouting nonsense at this point.
The housing market is socialism for the rich. It is centrally controlled and highly regulated in favour of landlords.
Housing prices have gone up due to an artificial supply shortage.
And then there's the corporate bailouts and subsidies.

>>521237341
>places like finland
Finland has less than 2% niggers and is over 90% white.

So how many places are 'like Finland'? I am sure if they are less than 2% nigger and 90+% of white ethnic natives they probably dont have many problems at all.

If you dont have very many problems, then solutions become easy. Thank you for your highly illuminating insight.

>>521238068
>I have not heard of Adolf Hitler or the national socialist party
>Om /pol/

>W-what are you even talking about
>T-the locals are already poor, introducing more competition for their labor will.... help them!
>S-schizo
Thank you for your concession to my superior intellect and argument, I'm going to go do something with my time now since you no longer have anything to say

>>521238245
>T-the locals are already poor, introducing more competition for their labor will
Are you retarded? If there is a doctor shortage then you need more doctors. You pointed out before that free healthcare won't work because there will be a doctor shortage. But then i pointed out how thats an easily solvable problem.
And most people are not doctors, so the locals will not be poor.
And doctors themselves are not poor in the first place.
>Thank you for your concession to my superior intellect and argument
You are a dumb retard. You can't keep track of what we are talking about at all.

>>521238169
I don't think that's relevant.
You just need the people in charge to be competent.
>I am sure if they are less than 2% nigger and 90+% of white ethnic natives they probably dont have many problems at all.
They had a homelessness problem which they were able to reduce due to gov't investment in housing.

>>521239022
>They had a homelessness problem which they were able to reduce due to gov't investment in housing
Cool story bro. Now fix the homeless problem in California.

>>521239120
The first step is stopping landlord welfare via lifting restrictive zoning laws

Anyways, im leaving now
Im tired talking to you fags
Bye bye

>>521230456 (OP)

>But actual socialism would usually go further, where a large portion of the industries in the country would be controlled / owned by the state.

Not the state. The state can fuck off. What we want is WORKERS to own the business. Take the shares from the shareholders (without compensation), give them to the WORKERS at the business. Why do people keep looking at the so called "socialist" governments as an example of what socialism means, and not listen to actual socialists?

WHAT PART OF WORKERS SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION DO YOU NOT GET?

>>521230456 (OP)
Broke boys deserve the street.

>>521230456 (OP)
that pile of bodies over there

>>521230456 (OP)
Socialism does not work, but you made my own argument for me. Current market inefficiencies are literally caused by government involvement, like the housing market. The answer is less government, not more government, it's involvement should be regulated to removing its own involvement. Housing regulations should be slashed, and property speculation withheld from use, development, or listing on the market should be considered abandonment and auctioned.