Thread 521253834

Option 1: Trump IS implicated in the Epstein Files and has been trying to bury it, leading to this situation room meeting
Option 2: Trump ISN'T implicated in the Epstein Files, but he is still trying to bury it, leading to this situation room meeting.
No one can deny he's trying to get the attention (at least the attention of MAGA) off of Epstein, so he's either in the files or he's covering for the pedos in the files. Either deserves impeachment and jail time for the rest of his life.
>inb4 "You Lost"
>inb4 "Why didn't the dems release it"
>inb4 "WWYD when his name isn't in the files"

>>521253834 (OP)
The absolute best case scenario at this point is that Trump knew Epstein was sex trafficking children and just did nothing to stop it, which is still horrific

BTW, question for the MAGA shills/bots who may respond to my thread. What will you do if Trump vetoes the bill? How can you justify Trump himself vetoing the Epstein Files Transparency Act if it passes both the House and Senate?

>>521253834 (OP)
There's a third option, OP.

>the files show that Trump is the one who ordered the hit on Epstein

>>521254238
It would still leave us with either of my original options. If Trump did order the hit it was either because he IS implicated or he ISN'T but his friends/benefactors are

>>521253834 (OP)
The shitty thing is, how can we know whether the files are tampered with or not?

>>521254420
There isn't an exact way to tell, but this isn't the end all be all that MAGA shills seem to think it is in other threads. If the list is like 99% Democrats and 1% Republicans, then obviously it was tampered with. If the list conveniently has every high level "enemy" of MAGA/Right but only a few low level people from the Right then it was probably tampered with. We can also use what we know from public records to cross refrence. If we know X person was friends with Epstein for a long time but their name doesn't appear, then that is suspicious and should be called out

>>521253834 (OP)
Didn’t vote for Trump, believe him to be an ignoramus. My take is that Trump was smart enough not to get into the underaged stuff. Legally could still hit on 18+ without blemishing his name. He was all for transparency until it was pointed out that a decade of hanging out with a child molester yet did nothing to help the victims- such as contacting police— doesn’t really reflect well on your character either. At this point- whether he molested or not, he’d just prefer we focus on other things.

>>521255444
Not the worst take I've seen on this shitass board but
>"he’d just prefer we focus on other things"
still means he's covering for pedos in every level of world governments, which to me should be an immediate impeachment and imprisonment

>>521254420
He was Jeffrey’s wingman for over a decade. The fact he did nothing to help the victims is incriminating enough.

>>521253834 (OP)
>he's either in the files or he's covering for the pedos in the files
Yes, that makes sense for Donald Trump, the Democrat, to be covering for other Democrats on the list.

>>521254888
so the cope is already beginning. top kek

>>521254228
See, I just know you don't care, and you never did, until it was bad optics for some orange guy you can't stop thinking about. I wanted those files when you told me to take my meds, I don't care about them anymore because I listened to you and took my meds. Time for you to take your own advice, nigger.

>>521253834 (OP)
If he was implicated in the files, they'd have used it against him by now. His bosses are implicated in the files.

>>521253834 (OP)
He wouldn't be in the situation room if it wasn't a national security matter. Trust in Trump.

>>521255643
I don’t disagree. As I say, my take. Aiding and abetting is still criminal behavior regardless if you actually participate yourself or not. But it definitely explains why Trump thought releasing the files was a great idea during his campaign- knowing he wasn’t guilty of molestation— but learning later on that the optics of being the best friend of a molester and doing nothing to help the victims doesn’t really play well with future supporters.

>>521253834 (OP)
He's obviously blackmailed, that's why he does what Israel wants and kisses Bibi's ass so enthusiastically.

>>521255938
You can be implicated without committing a criminal activity. However, being the friend of a serial molester for over a decade isn’t going to sell votes.

>>521255828
Someone asked a question and I answered it. There is no cope within "If something is suspicious, then it should be called out". If the list released under Biden and it was 99% Republicans and 1% Dems, I would call it out just the same. MAGA can't seem to grasp this. Good try at running away from the problem though!

>>521256297
Blackmailed does not mean he didn’t do it. It’s just exploiting on his getting caught.

>>521255929
I've wanted the files released for as long as I've known about Epstein and his island. You can make up my beliefs in your head all you want but the fact is, I want EVERYONE involved to be put away forever. If it fails here I will still be advocating for the release regardless of who is implicated and I will continue to call out anyone who gets in the way of the release.

>>521255788
>There are Dems on the list so why would Trump defend them?
This is repackaged "If Trump is on the list why didn't Dems release the files?"
If Trump isn't implicated then why fight so hard to get attention off of the Epstein Files? Why hold a situation room meeting about this if it's not a problem for him?

>>521253834 (OP)
>Option3: we'd have to do declare martial law as half of Congress and most of the business class is arrested for fucking kids, enter defcon 1 and prepare to nuke China in the straight of Taiwan, then let most world countries know which of their government officials was part of the we all fuck kids blackmail Deadman switch club.
Then we have to explain to 80IQs how being on the Epstein list is actually treason not sex crimes due to being collateral leverage to continue selling the US out to a group of all Jewish guys but NOT all Jews ok you see Israel is our greatest ally and...

Orange man should. Make them stand up in Congress and read their victims names, what bill they passed after fucking them, then it's off to the court for a speedy trial and televised carry out of it's sentencing

>>521255938
"They" being the left? Big figures on the left are also implicated and have just as much reason to want the release blocked as Trump does. This is why we did not see Biden mention the list really at all. The people implicated want this kept down, despite any hate they have for Trump. Bill Clinton isn't going to call for the release and have everyone see total confirmation that he's a child lover just to bring Trump down.

>>521253834 (OP)
5D chess, It's all coming together

>>521256425
Part of why Biden didn’t pursue Trump by opening the Epstein files is that it is a long standing tradition that the current administration does not denigrate prior administrations thus maintaining both respect and the honor of past administrations. Trump exploited this and was a major thorn in his side. Now, he doesn’t do nothing but blame prior administrations as being weak and fret with corruption. Real loser material we got voted in here.

>>521253834 (OP)
Option 3: It will hurt Israel the most.

>>521253944
Even that would be forgiven by his base if he hadn't done a full 180 on MAGA, going out of his way to utterly humiliate anyone who supported him

>>521253944
I see the new cope is moving from "is a pedophile" to "he maybe knew about it and did nothing"

>>521257299
I said that was the absolute best case scenario, it's much, much more likely he was also molesting children

>>521257299
>he maybe knew about it and did nothing
Only a soulless shill rat would defend this.

>>521257299
That’s not a cope, it’s just one possibility one needs to consider. Trump was an ambitious man with a family to consider at the time, through Epstein, he was able to meet plenty of young lovers that were legal. As twisted as he was, underaged girls may have been off limits and posed a threat to his future ambitions.

>>521257299
this, joepa did nothing wrong

>>521257299
I don't see what he said as a cope at all. In fact I think you're trying to run away from the problem by saying everything is a cope. What he said is true. Best case scenario for everyone is that the president of the United States knew what Epstein was doing and did nothing about it. You could call it cope if Trump wasn't screaming at reporters to stop talking about Epstein or holding situation room meetings about the release of the files but seeing as how he is doing both and more I don't see any cope in his statement.

>>521253834 (OP)
Maybe on his last day in office you'll finally get him. Fag party had congress and presidency and even invented crimes in kangaroo courts convicting him of some BS charge. Georgia going at him and losing badly, why go through any of that when you have in your possession proof that Trump is a pedo. Russian collusion was a CIA shake down and totally invented crime, why didn't they use real proof that he was a scumbag? Keep hoping leftist faggots, that's about all you got anymore

>>521257549
And that opinion is exactly why he figured out releasing the files would clear his name but at the same time, make matters much worse.

>>521253834 (OP)
crazy that he sent this to Isaac Herzog begging him to pardon Bibi right as this is heating up.

>>521257273
I'm an optimist. I think that MAGA (as loyal as they can be) sees this and is disgusted. Even if there wasn't any of Trump's disregard for his voter base during this admin I think MAGA would still break from him over this (at least a good enough chunk to bring MAGA down from the leading ideology of the right)

>>521257200
Biden go after Trump? Do you believe your own lies, faggot

>>521253944
>D...d...did nothing about it
>Arrested him first term
The problem is it's clearly a blackmail ring that compromised significant portions of our government and out of desperation the people who were part of this suicide pact are using the fact we'd have to go full suspension of habeus corpus martial law to address the unrest of having hundreds of elected officials, bureaucrats, and donors implicated in treason for political leverage. But by drumming it up support for muhlist it's just teeing up no ability to argue when that has to happen in the wake of the "release" of a list/instant sweeping high profile treason prosecutions.

We're talking suspension of the free press as a wartime power and instant jail for anyone who thinks they can write an op ed about how "nonononowaitwaitwait why are they arresting more blues than reds this is the death of democrACK?!" And we should do it.

>>521253834 (OP)
Option 3 (low probability): Trump is playing the reverse psychology game to get bipartisan support (through hate of him) to release these files. All he has to do is act as if they will incriminate him. This petition is just for a house vote, leave out the senate and the presidents signature. So this is like 10 steps before were are even near files release. And yo get the files released will need the innocenrs on both sides of the aisle to outvote the guilties. This is only possible if dems can be convinced to vote to release. And if it will bring down trump then they will vote to release, with this knowledge trump could instruct the house repubs to vote to pass. Then it goes to the senate and his desk where he signs it with a smirk because he isnt actually implicated in the files.

That isnt likely though.

>>521257829
Again with this horrible argument. The right and Trump are not the only ones implicated in these files and anyone saying otherwise is lying or misguided. Just because you call me a fag leftist doesn't make your argument any better. It makes you seem mad and scared. Would you incriminate yourself in a high level crime just to go after a single individual who you hate?

>>521255938
Trump shills are so pathetic

>>521258000
MAGA will go all out to justify this behavior. Not because they believe that child molesting should be normalized so much as they can’t wrap their headspace around the idea that their leadership would be capable of such a heinous act. Surely some other malevolent force perpetrated these dastardly crimes in their leader’s stead. It’s like Cult Behavior 101.

>>521253834 (OP)
So Epstein was an Israeli spy, running a child prostitution ring funded and weaponised by the Mossad, and he had compromising information on Trump that he sold to the Russians.
Got it.

Inb4 Trump is found having suicided by shooting himself in the back of the head 11 times

>>521256659
You're so full of shit it's coming out of your lying kike mouth

>>521258035
June 8, 2023. These charges, related to his handling of classified documents after leaving office, were brought by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ). Trump spent 3 years attempting to undermine Biden.

>>521258396
That was a great movie btw. LOVE seeing Ron Perlman burn. Gotta watch it again.

>>521258035
DOJ went after Trump during his presidency. Always playing the victim.

>>521253834 (OP)
>STOP ASKING THE USUAL IMPORTANT QUESTIONS!!!
Okay how about:
>Where is this kid that Trump fucked?

>>521258523
Double tap is all that’s needed.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe assassination is appropriate for anyone voted into office by a majority of the people, regardless of how much of a jackass they be.

>>521258000
MAGA is incapable of much more emotion than “concerned” and even then, it’s because they feel their beliefs as a whole to be threatened.

>>521258673
Why even respond at this point? If you're right and I'm only now concerned about the exposure of a worldwide pedophilia ring because Trump could be on the list, then why complain? The support is still there and the list is still released like I want. You're wrong about me though. I've been invested in this for far longer than you believe and I've BEEN advocating for the release of all of this information FULLY UNREDACTED. If this is blocked I will do what I've been doing which is calling out those who blocked it and advocating for the release of every piece of info related to the files fully unredacted.

>>521258847
I never said I think Trump fucked a kid. I am saying that it's as much a possibility as him covering for his benefactors who did fuck kids. Both are real possibilities, and the release of the files (which he is clearly against) would answer the question. I hope he didn't because that means the sitting president of the most important country in the world fucked a child and is trying his best to make that not known. With that being said I hope no presidents are implicated in this (I know they are) for the same reason I hope Trump isn't in the list.

>>521256659
They will try to somehow pin the blame on normies for cannibalism of the children they killed and put into fast food, lmao.
They will try

>>521253834 (OP)
>No one can deny he's trying to get the attention (at least the attention of MAGA) off of Epstein, so he's either in the files or he's covering for the pedos in the files.
Or, he's being extorted. Netanyahu tells him "we'll nuke London and it'll be your fault". Or he's just an asshole who is annoyed that the attention's not on whatever awesome new thing he's cooking up. Or that he's genuinely confused. Or that he's told that it will topple the US government (even if not him personally). Remember, this was the old geezer who, just a few weeks ago, supposedly mused that he might not get into heaven. So maybe there's something important (in his opinion) that will be fucked up, and he's desperately hoping it won't be fucked up.

>>521253834 (OP)
>>521253834 (OP)
What if, hear me out, he knows going out of his way to release the Epstein files gets him JFK'd. So he doth protest too much, causing the left to get the files released, where he can claim he did everything in his power to prevent the release. Thus preventing his assassination. Food for thought.H

>>521260645
I do think that there is extortion involved with Trump, which gives credence to both of the options I listed. If the lists are released then there goes the blackmail either Trump (or MUCH MORE LIKELY) Netanyahu has on not just the US Government but every government in the world. I'm sure Netanyahu would want Trump to keep this down so he can keep manipulating governments into doing his bidding.

>>521255686
>over a decade
>yet always the same handful of photos
yeah.. right..

>>521255444
> I want you to realize that the dog that hasn’t barked is trump

This excerpt from today’s leaks is somewhat vague but suggests that they tried to bait Trump but he didn’t take it.

Im convinced that Trump doesn’t want to release the Epstein stuff because all signs point to Greatest Ally as running the operation. Also, this being a blackmail operation, even if Trump isn't involved in the Lolita Island stuff, Epstein and Maxwell likely built a dossier on Trump doing other bad things from other sources like other affairs, possibly during his current marriage, or crooked real estate deals that the NY AG would use against him. They still need to release the info, but if these 4 emails are the supposed smoking gun on Trump then no big deal.

>>521261044
I think he would get killed regardless of whether he fought or not if the files get released. "B-But Bibi, I tried my very hardest" *gets sniped anyways*

>>521253834 (OP)
them apparently releasing the files can only mean one of two things: mossad/cia have already scrubbed all the evidence and incriminating shit from the files/servers or the less likely scenario, (((they))) are about to commit the biggest falseflag we will have ever seen

>>521253944
This doesn't work based on all the high level Democrats having casual emails convos with Epstein 14yrs after his original conviction.

>>521261278
Maybe so, but the possibility exists that this is his best play. I Alps think he wouldn't mind being remembered as a martyr. Perhaps it is just me being hopeful there is a human in the oval office. I am probably wrong.

>>521254228
Wow if that happens, I guess I won't vote for him 2028.

>>521261191
By this logic Justin Trudeau must have never done blackface because it's only the same handful of pictures when it's brought up

>>521260645
We know the British royal family is implicated already. Along with major global banking institutes, foreign CEOs in allied countries. It's going to make the Panama Papers look like a 3rd grade book report and that's just Epstein's emails.

>>521253944

To be fair a lot of people would stay quiet over something like this because they dont want to get murdered in their sleep

>>521254228

If the bill has two thirds majority in both houses he cant veto it.

Overton window.
Not enough of the public is ready to accept that Epstein was MOSSAD and they captured and controlled most of the US government’s elected and appointed officials.

>>521261191
I have tons of photos that I never released to the general public. Most of it is boring family stuff and travel photos but literally nothing is out there. Also, I’m not being investigated for criminal activity so there’s really no reason for anyone to be interested in my pictures.

Finally, middle to older adults really don’t like sharing selfies outside of close friends or family nor were we constantly documenting every mundane adventure we had. Prior to smart phones, unless on a vacation or special event, most people didn’t even carry cameras so we didn’t take anywhere near as many pictures.

>>521253834 (OP)
Having read the many replies I've gotten to this, I'm adding an extra 3rd option
Option 3: Trump's benefactors (Bibi) want their blackmail in place and are forcing Trump to bury this so that they can keep doing what they've been doing. This is equally as bad and would not change my opinion that he deserves impeachment and to be locked up with the rest of the people implicated.

Good looking gentlemen indeed

>>521258090

This

Id like to believe theyre manufacturing consent for mass jailings but nothing ever happens so...

>>521262179
Not a single leftist would be "not ready." They'd be glad to clear everyone out and send them to prison. The only ones screaming and crying are right wingers because they know they themselves are guilty.

>>521257829

I voted Trump three times and you sound like a pathetic faggot. Go deep throat a shotgun rabbai.

>>521253834 (OP)
>Either deserves impeachment and jail time for the rest of his life.
There's another plausible situation where Trump is holding Epstein kompromat over the heads of powerful people in order to effectuate policy benefitting the American people.
I highly doubt it though, he's obviously trying to save his own ass.

>>521253834 (OP)
>Option 2: Trump ISN'T implicated in the Epstein Files, but he is still trying to bury it, leading to this situation room meeting.
Option 3: He's clear, in the situation room getting ready to arrest all involved.

>>521261245
Just curious. Why is it so hard to believe in the most mundane theory that Trump a Epstein were pals but after a decade , Trump’s ambitions didn’t coincide with Epstein’s behavior so he broke it off between a bad real estate deal or Epstein stealing his employees? Why does it have to end in blackmail? Do you believe that justifies Trump’s behavior? I’m sure Trump did a lot of questionable things during his relationship with Epstein but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t capable of thinking enough is enough with being blackmailed for it. Somewhere in that addled brain is now the realization that hanging around a child molester and doing nothing about it was bad for his street cred so now he’d prefer to make it all go away

>>521262083
Just the guilt by association should be enough.

>>521262549
While this is a possibility I do not like entertaining it because the implication that he would cover for a worldwide pedo ring just so Americans are happy is not a good look. Is it Patriotic? I guess, but what's more patriotic: Letting a pedo ring get away with everything they've done so 340 million people can live a bit more comfortably, or shining a light on that ring so they can be held accountable and never hurt another child again? I don't think any benefit Trump gives America is worth that sacrifice. I don't think it's nearly as likely as any other option.

>>521262556
Trump IS mentioned several times but there isn’t anything there that’s necessarily incriminating. In some cases, receipts have him vacationing with family. Nobody is coming forward and making allegations against him.

>>521262556
I would hope this is the case but the way he has acted over all of this leads me to believe that it isn't the case.

>>521262963
First of all, you’re assuming without any actual evidence, that there is a worldwide pedo ring conspiracy. While pedophilia is a worldwide problem, there isn’t much evidence to digest that it is a the centralized conspiracy you make it out to be.

>>521253834 (OP)
>>521262556
Option 4: Trump baited those in the files into thinking they've been able to excise themselves while successfully inserting him into the main body of them, and is now whipping them and the opposition base into a frenzy to GET DRUMPF that will then serve as justification for massive bloody handed political purges of those in the files

>>521263159
it never crosses your mind that his ridiculously shifty flip-floppery is beyond the point of farce and has specifically served to make virulent Pizzagate deniers on the lib-left into Epstein truthers and as a bonus humiliated disgusting worthless fairweather cuckservatives by making them abandon all principles in doing the opposite and becoming Epstein apologists?

>>521258308
Shalom.

>>521258369
It's bible thumper behavior. Christcucks display the exact same kind of "authority is always right" mentality.
>bible says bad thing? n-n-n-no you're taking it out of context it's a mistranslation it means something else nooooo stop it
>bible say good thing? PRAISE LE LORD
every time

>>521263349
I can admit that there is a chance that this isn't actually as deep as I think it goes but given that Epstein was a financier and wealth manager with clients from around the world, it can be easily assumed that his darker side would also have worldwide clients, thus a worldwide pedo ring. Of course, there wouldn't be much *available* evidence because why would there be. I think that the release could answer every question anyone has, but unfortunately, it's being fought tooth and nail to be put down

>>521253834 (OP)
Option 88: they already know hes not implicated in the files and the whole reason they've moved the vote to next week is to whip up a frenzy before the "remove the regime" rally on the 22nd.

>>521263853
I think acting compromised, making that act even more apparent as people call you out for it, and then turning around and saying "Just kidding guys it's all an act see" is a bad strategy and if he wasn't compromised, then maybe just maybe, he would have no problems getting these files released unredacted as they should be. I think if Trump just released everything fully unredacted he wouldn't have a hard time compelling anyone, let alone the American public no matter how deep into their political party they are, to go after the people in the files.

>>521265378
it IS a bad strategy but after consistently seething I don't actually see much of an alternative, because if he tried to just do it live and kill every guilty party on the least without protracted house cleaning and public mind fucking the establishmentarian leftists, rightists or both would stage a coup or start a civil war with the full support of most of the traitorous (((intelligence apparatus))) and MIC brass as the cheetoh Hitler programming is turned up to 11 to put a frothing mob of literal millions on the warpath to 'STOP DRUMPF'S FASCIST PURGE ABUSING MUH ANTISEMITIC ANTIPEDO CONSPIRACISM.'

>>521263853
I would love to see a deus ex machina where indictments are announced next summer too late to get new candidates but I don’t see it happening:
> Patel on TV: All of the aforementioned congressguys and generals please to be surrendering yourselfs to FBI headquarters at the soonest opportunity

>>521262774
It’s also likely that at the same time that Trump was seeking more respectability that Epstein was becoming more degenerate and seeking out younger females, accelerating the rift. Trump is a creeper but likes experienced hoes with big racks, rather than lolis.

>>521265850
As I said before, I am an optimist. I think at the minimum, a good enough chunk of MAGA views all of this as absolutely disgusting to the point where they would be willing to break away from the MAGA party. I also think that people on the left are completely willing to go after anyone on the list, regardless of who they are or what it means for their party. I do not think if Trump were to put the list on blast with it fully unredacted so every name is shown there would be enough outrage targeted at Trump from anyone to start a civil war. If a coup was performed successfully I think people would see it for what it is and that could start a civil war but no matter what this situation is bad for those implicated in the files.

>>521256142
hmmm
thats does sound occam's razor explanation