>Wrestler wins their first world title
>First feud is against a midcarder

>>18096954 (OP)
When Steve Austin feuded with Dude Love in 1998

>>18096954 (OP)
>CM Punk's first defense winning the world title in 2008 was against JBL
>Roman's first defense was a cashin against Sheamus
>Cody's first defense was against AJ Styles
Kek kind of true. Love AJ, JBL, and Sheamus but they're glorified midcarders

>>18096954 (OP)
ah, the WWE special

>>18097006
The most egregious one I remember is Jinder Mahal immediately feuding with Shinsuke instead of getting someone more established to give him the rub.

>>18097035
>Jinder Mahal immediately feuding with Shinsuke
He feuded with Randy first

>>18097056
>>18097046
Whoops

>>18097056
Did they have another match after he won at Backlash?

>>18096954 (OP)
Theyre seeing how well he can draw as champ on your own. Can he draw with someone not great? Yeah? People want to see HIM and watch him with the belt? Awesome, there's potential. No one cares unless the other person is a proven star? Maybe you can be a B name, the opponent for the star, cuz you can help a real star, but cant draw a house on your own and thus are not one. Glad to dodge a bullet and no waste time pushing him

>>18097006
>glorified midcarders
Dumbest board on 4chan

>>18097065
They did. My bad.

>>18097070
Wouldn't putting him in the vicinity of other top talents and showing people that he's on their level help him out more first? Especially if he goes over in those feuds. You can pair him up with lesser guys later on in his reign after you've built him up.

>>18097035
MJF's first defense was against Ricky Starks

>>18097035

>>18097096
They did that to build him up to get the title. You dont. A strap match fornbeating jobbers, you get it by showing youre at that level and worthy. Now they want to know how he does on his own before they sacrifice anyone to a potential mistake.
He got the title. They already built him up. He's the top guy. Now is his time to sink or swim and be able to work and draw with lesser guys. Theyre giving him the ball. Its his oppertunity to fail
Why do they people here not get it at all? Is it retardation or just being a contrarian to a retarded degree? Its not that fucking hard. Youre not building a rocket here. You're getting guys over in a fake fucking sport

>>18097150
If he's already been built up and crowned champion, then act like it. Champions aren’t legitimized by working downwards, they prove their worth by going toe to toe with other top names. Starting his reign with a feud against a midcarder undercuts the entire point of winning the title. You're not "testing" him, you're stalling his momentum. Giving him the ball means putting him in big matches with big stakes, not seeing how he does with a guy the audience barely sees as a threat. That's not how you establish a main eventer, it's how you sabotage him.

>>18096954 (OP)
They probably figure it's a good way to get the new champ over and make him look strong.

>>18097177
Why waste the other guys on someone who cant run with the ball? Acting like the crowned champ is being able to draw with who ever because you are the draw. Prove you can be successful and people give a shit about you when there isn't someone who has to hold the champsnhand and wipe his ass. Then they'll give you something appropriate. Why sacrifice potential draws on someone people ultimate dont want to see? He cant go, ok, then he becomes jobber to the stars and gets his moment that way. His momentum should be so strong that it carries him through a sub for opponent
How is this hard to grasp for you? They already did what youre suggesting. Now they want to know the value of their investment that theybsoent the time building up. Did it work?
>nah, keep artificially keeping him up and jave the champ be carried in everybsingle feud, obviously
Not only donyou not get it, but you never will

>My son was champion 51 days
>son is a midcarder at best

>>18097238
You don’t “protect potential draws” by keeping them away from the title picture, you create them by putting them in meaningful programs. If the new champ can't hang with other top guys, that’s a failure of booking before the belt ever went on him. The title isn’t an experiment, it’s a statement. Either he's ready or he’s not. Feuding down the card isn’t a test, it’s a stall tactic that makes the belt look mid and the reign forgettable.

And if his momentum is so strong, why is he the one needing the “prove it” feud while midcarders get treated like a measuring stick? You're flipping the hierarchy to protect the system instead of elevating talent. That’s why so many modern reigns feel hollow. It's not that hard to grasp, the booker is basically admitting the title was put on someone the company clearly doesn't trust to actually carry it.

>>18097003
the only other established main eventer in WWF in April 1998 was Undertaker

>>18097074
Extrapolate faggot

>>18097290
You're so fucking stupid...
>You don’t “protect potential draws” ...
Literally what they did to get him the strap. So that's done.
>If the new champ can't hang with other top guys...
No, that's a failure of "top" guys not being top guys, and not someone to put in that position cuz they cant draw on their own. Steve Austin vs x would draw a sell out no matter who. If jey usso vs x gets yiu in your house numbers, he's a flop and cant be relied upon. Your top guy should be self sufficient and not need to be held up. That's what makes them a top guy.
>The title isn’t an experiment...
That's so stupid. Theres been wrestlers who weren't able to be the guy until putting that position, and they succeeded, and guys like jey usso, who they tried an experiment with and it failed. They tried an experiment with jinder mahal, chris Benoit, dolph ziggler, and many others. When you got two world titles, its much easier to do. Fuck, even Brett hart was an experiment. Did he work out? It was the dark ages after all, so who really knows. But they tried something new with him
>Feuding down the card isn’t a test...
That's retarded. He should be able on his own merrit to make the feud strong because he has the champ and is mighty against anyone. Why do you want handicapped champs that need everyone around them to constantly cover for them cuz they cant get the job done? Why do you dismiss the build to make them champ and any momentum from it? Why can some people make it work if it's just a stall tactic, and then get long runs into the future? Do you not remember the shit opponents cena got fed, and despite sinking the rating, slowed it down enough with loser nobodies that he has the position he's in today?
Dont answer. I already know you're a stupid ass dumb fuckin idiot

>>18097290
>And if his momentum is so strong...
Cuz when youre the top dog, you need to show why, not have other people do your work for you. Be smarter to have them in that place.
The midcarder is the measuring stick to see how they draw with a non draw, so you see their pure drawing power and have a mark to gage it against. Every single champ has gone through it. It establishes a base level. And if theyre good, it'll draw and no worries. And if its bad, they suck, have someone beat them.
>You're flipping the hierarchy to protect the system instead of elevating talent.
Cuz its for the business, not the individual. The system supports everyone. Going into business for yourself fucks everyone and kills the golden goose
> modern reigns feel hollow.
Its cuz no one's gives a shit cuz everything is such a joke, but ok
>It's not that hard to grasp, the booker is basically admitting the title was put on someone the company clearly doesn't trust to actually carry it.
If they didnt trust him, they wouldn't have given it to him. Its like they train someone to ride a bike with training wheels. And then they take them off to see how they do. You're insisting on training wheels ten years in to bike riding still. If they still need that, they ain't winning tour de France. Cut your losses and find a winner. The sooner the better
If they were great, they'd flourish anyway like many have, if they were good enough, they'd survive and be ok. If theyre a waste, it kills them and people know. Why do you want an impotent champ who cant do his job?
>>18097374
If you have to ask, he's probably talking about you

>>18097254
ironically it would have been way better if either of his other sons got a midcard reign. people would actually have liked a jimmy US title reign. not only does this not happen, the worst of them gets to be a world champion.

>>18097150
>>18097177
It’s a kind of carny psychology. You know they will win against the mid card jobber at backlash but you are unsure if they can beat the main event talent at summerslam/mania etc. Feeding a mid card talent to a new title holder makes sense because no one loses (except the audience)

>>18097448
Cool insults, but you're making my point for me while trying to dunk on it. If the title is supposed to prove someone is “the guy,” then the reign needs to reflect that. Feeding them midcarders doesn't prove strength, it tests patience. Yeah, experiments happen. But experiments need stakes to matter. Bret got Yokozuna. Cena got JBL. Batista got Triple H. They didn’t test those guys by making them wrestle the lower midcard for months, they validated them with real matchups.

You keep moving the goalposts. First it's “he has to draw on his own,” then it's “Cena had weak opponents and still made it work.” So which is it? Do you want a champion who draws with anyone, or do you admit bad feuds can hurt a reign? You say midcard feuds are a test, but when those feuds flop, the blame shifts to the champ no matter what. It’s a rigged setup. And acting like “being able to draw with anyone” is the standard ignores that no one, not even Cena or Austin, did it alone. They all had dance partners who mattered.

You don’t elevate someone by strapping a rocket to them and then asking them to swim. Either the company believes in them or it doesn’t. This halfway booking is how you end up with forgettable reigns and a title that means less every time.

>>18097563
>If the title is supposed to prove someone is “the guy,” then the reign needs to reflect that.
No, he needs to prove it
>Feeding them midcarders
Its one feud, not being fed
>Bret got Yokozuna
Do you really not know how that ended up?
>They didn’t test those guys by making them wrestle the lower midcard for months, they validated them with real matchups.
Jbl is a joke. No one took him seriously then. Bautista was triple hs project and his failure reflected on hhh, so he was protected.
>for months
Only a month between ppvs... prove yourself in one, and you're fine
>You keep moving the goalposts.
You don't know what that phrase means
>First it's “he has to draw on his own,” then it's “Cena had weak opponents and still made it work.”
Literally the same point and the latter is an example.of the former
>bad feuds can hurt a reign?
If you suck. Rock lost to hurricane and wasnt hurt. Hbk put over mid career Jeff Hardy clean on raw and wasnt hurt either. If youre the person people want to see, they'll watch anyway, cuz they live and die with you, which is way more important.
>when those feuds flop, the blame shifts to the champ no matter what.
Do you not understand what responsibility of the role is? Its the champs job to draw not the other guy
>And acting like “being able to draw with anyone” is the standard ignores that no one, not even Cena or Austin, did it alone. They all had dance partners who mattered.
Samartino did, hogan, flair, Austin, rock vsrious others...
You're not serious, are you? They could all prove their worth with someone less than. They didnt still need a bigger star tonestablish them at the top. Not should the top guy need that. Flair never did.
>You don’t elevate someone by strapping a rocket to them and then asking them to swim
Have you ever watched wrestling in the last 20 years? That's literally Cena and roman

You convinced me
You're totally right. The 1a guy should have his ass wiped and his hand held for him by bigger stats and never be putting a position to prove his mettle. The top guy needs everyone around him to cover cuz he's not good enough for the role, and should be given proper accommodations for being useless. My bad

>>18097074

>YOU'RE A FAGGOT !

>>18097003
Was absolute kino and that 2 month feud gave Rock more time to get over, perfect booking, drew huge ratings too.

Cody needs ALL the help he can get, and if everyone doesnt start sucking his cock en masses, he won't succeed, so we all have to do that so he can have the spot everyone else, cuzneven though he's not worthy and doesnt deserve it, he was chosen, so we have to worship him and make others do so to, cuznhe cant on his own by anybstretch of the imagination!

You realize thats how you sound, right? Having mediocrity succeed as elite cuz you chose them

You remember this? Its expected that when you're given the ball, you can run with it. And when you cant, youre looked down upon as you should be

And shit, they trusted the new champ enough that they could give them a dud opponent and they'd make chicken salad out of chicken shit and draw a house. That's a lot of faith. They give them enough rope to hang themselves, but enough chance to soar, too.
Its here's a blank canvas, what can you do on your own not being a leech

>>18097035
Kek. Don't try to stereotype it as a WWE thing. It's even worse in AEW. When somebody wins a title there they instantly start wrestling long 50/50 cold matches against jobbers and after doing that for a few months only then do they move up to feuding with midcarders.

Did jinder mahal not first feud with orton when he won the belt? And win too? Oh, he did. How did thatbgi? He still sucked and randy looks weak. Real fuckin smart. Could've used an nobody to figure that out and not waste randy putting over a nobody when he could put over someone that it would help and elevate

I stopped watching when Danielson won the strap and immediately feuded with Kane.

>>18097003
Both of those matches were kino and set the tone beautifully for the rest of the era. They were the blueprint for the entire Attitude Era main event style. Do better

>>18097452
>If you have to ask, he's probably talking about you
So you dont know, okay

>>18097452
Cmon bud, answer me. Extrapolate smart guy. Fucking midwit faggot. Fucking die.