Thread 18099523

Dave Meltzer has checked on Dax

>>18099523 (OP)
>there were no storylines on wrestling TV until 2019

>>18099523 (OP)
>not every match has to have a reason or a story
The mindset of the eternal midcarder.

>>18099523 (OP)
because up to that point wrestling companies understood they were needed to draw in fans

>>18099557
This. Dave's just being petulant because people are questioning the company that books for him.

>>18099523 (OP)
>until 2019 nobody ever said that
Yeah because until 2019, AEW wasn't around to create heatless pointless matches that go nowhere and create no interest in seeing what will happen next show.

>>18099523 (OP)
Even major sports need good storylines to draw. Most people don't give a fuck until playoffs

>>18099545
This.

Wrestling is worked. Every single thing on the show can be controlled minus stuff like injuries.Matches with stories or angles are also behind them are more interesting than random matches.

There's really no excuse for random matches except laziness. This isn't a soap. They don't have 5 shows a week, they have one or two. What are you even doing if you can't film a promo or a segment between two wrestlers to set up a match?

>>18099523 (OP)
what?

what the fuck is this guy talking about?, does he not know that the catalyst of the late 90's wrestling boom wrestling boom was precisely because both WWE and WCW made their television must watch storylines?

also does Dax unironically think the fucking fake fighting industry he works in should work like actual sports, christ what a mark

Wrestling is worked. Every single thing on the show can be controlled minus stuff like injuries. Matches with stories or angles behind them are also more interesting than random matches.

There's really no excuse for random matches except laziness. This isn't a soap. They don't have 5 shows a week, they have one or two. What are you even doing if you can't film a promo or a segment between two wrestlers to set up a match?

AEWs existence has mindbroken e-pigs on a level they will never recover from.

>>18099523 (OP)
>midway through the season, the lakers can play against denver nuggets just because
yeah it's called neither of them getting eliminated in their brackets until they meet and that's depending on their seasonal standings and ability to play-in
yeah "just because"

>>18099523 (OP)
>Guys don't need a reason to get oiled up in undies and roll around
What did Dave mean by this?

>>18099814
Good point. I don’t know much about ape hoop but I’m a huge baseball fan. There are 162 games in a season and none are “just because”. People don’t just watch grown men play a kids game..they watch for the competition and drama. Every game there’s a “story”; whether it’s the pitching staff dominating, the offense teeing-off, or the home team (faces) coming from behind to beat the away team (heels). Players that cut promos end up being more popular.
I don’t know what gAyEW’s aversion to vignettes and promos is but the situation is looking ever more grim. Dire even.

No one ever says "the story doesn't matter" when the story is good

>>18099523 (OP)
Dax actually right for once

>>18099958
>but I’m a huge baseball fan.
Grim

>>18099523 (OP)
I don't buy the idea that every match needs to have a reason or story going into it. But there must be one during and/or coming out of it.

>>18099523 (OP)
Almost like the PWG dream match format that AEW does and dave loves gets exposed as weekly episodic television as opposed to a quarterly pop up show

what else did nobody say until 2019?
https://x.com/MeltzerSaidWhat/status/1450693723881418756

>>18100154
We love heatless matches and demos now big dawg.

>>18099728
>This isn't a soap
no wonder no one read your fucking blog lmao

>>18100097
I disagree, I think it's fine for a TV episode to have a match that isn't anything more than a match, specifically so that it contrasts with angles. It's just PPVs that should mean something all the way down, even if that something is "fuck you, now leave me alone"

Looking forward to Dave finally dropping dead

>Midway through the season the Lakers can play against Denver Nuggets just because

Is this dude comparing weekly wrestling booking to NBA scheduling which is done 5 months in advance?

>>18100561
he will live in your head rent free years after he leaves his mortal coil

>>18099523 (OP)
Based Dave exposing the edrones

>>18099544
literal retard here

WWE conditioned the American audience a lot.

Soap opera trash mentality

>>18099523 (OP)
The Lakers play the Nuggets because of scheduling. Not storylines. And when they do play it is placed in primetime and a story is constructed to showcase the importance of the game. Like Mike Malone's beef with Lebron etc. Because every sport understands narrative adds to things

>>18100620
Not a tranny, sorry trannybro

>>18099523 (OP)
>Perhaps you can help me.
new response to "so you don't know?" just dropped

>>18100722
we don't sign our posts here

>>18099523 (OP)
He's right.

There’s no such thing as a match with no purpose. Every match has at the very least making fans more aware of a performer.

>>18099727
He's talking specifically about matches, not angles with NWO or Stone Cold. Most of the following matchups did not have a direct "storyline" -

August 25th 1997
Psichosis and La Parka defeated Glacier and Ernest Miller
Ultimo Dragon defeated Silver King
Jeff Jarrett pinned Chris Benoit
The Faces of Fear defeated Wrath and Mortis
United States Champion, Steve McMichael, pinned Eddy Guerrero
World Cruiserweight Champion, Chris Jericho, defeated Yuji Nagata
Dean Malenko defeated World Television Champion, Alex Wright, by Disqualification
Lex Luger and Randy Savage fought to a No Contest.

>>18099523 (OP)
Well that isn't true

>>18099523 (OP)
>dax still thinks professional wrestling is a sport

>>18099523 (OP)
>Dave literally "you tell me's" dax
LMAO

If you watched Nitro that show was like 50-60% matches with no story. RAW on the other hand nearly always had a 'story' for the matches. TNA was more like WCW too. Lots of bangers over story. Both can be good, but Dave is right, Drones were acting up with that 'What's the story?' shit

>>18101782
hi tony

>>18101782
>taped wcw saturday night squash matches

how many of these were random 30 minute bangers, retard?

>>18099523 (OP)
when people say
>what's the story
they aren't asking about some throwaway match. it's a match they've been told to care about and are asking 'why should i care'
i wouldn't expect dax (retard) or dave (autist) to understand that though

>>18100065
On planet pedophile maybe

yeah people used to watch a lot of shit on TV that isn't popular anymore. why should wrestling not change with people's tastes? bald and memetzler are retarded to compare wrestling to an actual sport.

>>18099523 (OP)
Matches did not always need to have stories because wrestlers had actual characters or gimmicks in the past to make up for it, now it is a bunch of vanilla midgets like FTR.

>>18099544
Lol.

>>18099523 (OP)
2 teams can play just because? what a retard

I've stopped listening to Dave and Alvarez and holy shit did wrestling become way more enjoyable

>AEW do something
>It's shit
>People call it shit
>Why did you only start calling this thing shit around the time AEW started!?!?!
gee, maybe because thats when aew started doing the shit thing

>>18099607
Yeah that was just the exclusive domain of WWE

>>18102224
It's Nitro results. The length or banger quality of the matches don't change the amount of "story" going into the matchups. Anyone with basic knowledge of wrestling history knows Dave is 100% right here, it has nothing to do with zoomer fed console wars that also didn't used to exist. It's a generation z thing to complain about basic TV matches not having a story. The zoomer generation has this magic power to get butthurt over things that nobody used to. People thought millennials were peak negativity, but somehow zoomer went even farther.

>>18099607
Go watch any wrestling TV show from the 80s and 90s and you will see lots of what you consider pointless, even though it wasn't. "Sports entertainment" has apparently brainwashed people into being clueless about something that has been on since television began.

Guys just don't watch aew ok? We're doing fine without you and if we listened to you it would ruin the thing we like. If you still have to cry like a bitch about aew there's a general for that.

Mid-South Wrestling 4/11/85
~ Bill Watts takes air time to Shoot on Vince McMahon & The WWF, calling them “actors in the ring” & “phony bologna show biz”. Watts says the WWF is fake but that all other wrestling is real in so many words.
Edcar “Boo” Thomas vs. Brickhouse Brown (Duggan & Steve Williams come in)
Steve Williams vs. Terry Daniels (TV Title Tournament 1st Round)
Tag Champions Rock ‘n’ Roll Express vs. Nord the Barbarian & Jake Roberts
Steve Casey vs. Jack Victory
The Nightmare & General Eddie Gilbert vs. Tim Horner & Rocky Montana
Kamala vs. Steve Brinson
Dutch Mantell vs. Stoney Montana

So Bill Watts didn't even have a Creative Department to write comedy sketches for his Superstars? How did he make the Mid South Universe laugh?

>>18101782
>Most of the following matchups did not have a direct "storyline"
some did. jeff jarrett was trying to be a horseman or something. i remember him feuding with mongo. but those are filler tv matches. years ago your main event wrestlers did not wrestle every week. the big matches were saved for the pay per views

>>18102556
Yeah, just get rid of the wrestling aspect entirely and have ishowspeed and Mr Beast hosting people like LA Knight and Yeet cutting promos and playing pranks on each other and then they settle their differences with a farting contest. For the ladies just Onlyfans.

>>18107633
>How did he make the Mid South Universe laugh?
https://www.wwe.com/videos/jim-cornette-gets-caked-mid-south-wrestling-march-16-1984