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https://x.com/Cory_Hays407/status/1938608994810998942
>>18099601 (OP)Now that's heel work. Cena should take notes.
>>18099601 (OP)If this is some meta heel work, it's absolutely fantastic.
>>18099601 (OP)He's completely cucked
They booed the shit out of him before he did this btw
>>18099601 (OP)Going straight from a No Kings rally to sucking up to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a previously unseen level of anti self awareness
>>18099601 (OP)>Punk figuring out how to be a heel in modern wrasslinHe's still got it
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Problem?
>>18099601 (OP)Zoomers finally realized what millenials did a long time ago, Punk rock is Sellout rock
>>18099601 (OP)Forget Vince, forget Tony, THIS is KWABOTY
>>18099743>going to a rally protesting against pigs and ICE unlawfully detaining immigrants and ruining lives is the same as apologizing for a mean-spirited and racist comment he madeDerangement status?
>>18099601 (OP)When is he gonna apologize to the kid he big leagued
>>18099601 (OP)KWABOTY 2025: SEMEN SPUNK
Punk realizes the jew is his jew enemy
>>18099601 (OP)He's such a coward
Phil's new entrance theme
>CM Punk
more like BMCD Phil
Wrestler is full of shit and lies
Water/wet
>>18099766Punks sell out because you can't be angry and young forever, especially when the record company offers you enough money to live comfortably because being angry sells really well to dumb teens.
No King except the King of Saudi Arabia lmao Punk you gotta just turn heel with it theres no way out now
>>18099772Foreskin status?
>>18099772go back to jerk, E-commie
>>18099772Saudi is a repressive theocratic state though. Blood money isn't an inaccurate term.
>>18100000Checked based digits
>>18099772Yes being racist and then going to a protest against people being racist is dumb well done
>>18099601 (OP)That's how I know that me and him aren't the same people no more. A person's words mean absolutely nothing without action
>>18099601 (OP)why does he sound drunk?
>>18099601 (OP)How did he make himself look like a cuck but at the same time make himself look like he was in control and still in charge when apologizing like this? Not even trolling. He did this without even blinking or feeling ashamed
>>18099601 (OP)This rules so hard
>>18100042wrestlelrs are the best actors/politicians. they don't actually believe what they say.
>>18100042Punk is driven purely by spite, that's been his whole career. He hated WWE until he had something new to hate, which was AEW/Tony, and in his mind the best way to get back at Tony was going back to WWE. If that meant doing a 180 on every position he has, that's fine because the goal is to get back at any perceived slight he might have in his mind. Half the issues he had with people in WWE, and AEW, was shit that he made up in his mind.
Why are people calling him KWAB for this? I was a really deranged leftist ten years ago, people change. And at least he has the balls to get in front of a Saudi crowd and apologize.
If you're gonna attack him for inconsistency, the time for that was two years ago when he came back to the fed.
>>18099601 (OP)>https://x.com/Cory_Hays407/status/1938608994810998942"I'm sorry. Did I change the culture?"
>>18100390>>18100464if you think this is a leftist stance you are undereducated
>>18100464England has a king
>>18099601 (OP)Puke just jumped up to the top of the list in KWABOTY
Drones are fucking retards. They'll just spin all his hypocrisy for the past 15 years as some sort of heel move when it's obviously not that.
>>18100042I've said this a 100X on here Punk will jump on whatever trend that he thinks will get him over and make money
If wearing a swastika and calling out the Jews for being the root of all evil, he'd be on twitter doing it and post a pic of himself with a swastika shirt smiling.
>literally apologizing to mohammed
YA CAN'T MAKE IT UP KEK
>>18099601 (OP)Chicago
Made
BITCH
>>18099772>Unlawfully detaining They are illegal aliens breaking the law you cocksucker. Facts don't care about your feelings fag tits
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>Fragile ego, fragile body, weak mind, weak spirit
Mox was right
>>18099601 (OP)>Punk siding with the Saudis against IsraelComplete jew Murderer Punk
>>18099601 (OP)It's over for Phil. Today he has grown up out of his punk rock roots he will not longer be known as CM Punk, but simply Pepsi Phil or "Chez" as he likes to be known backstage.
>>18099601 (OP)NOOOOOOO HE WAS SUPPOSED TO APOLOGIZE TO US AEW FANS NOT THOSE BARBARIANS
Only in the age of the internet can you be raked against the coals for never changing your opinions, but the moment you do you're raked against the coals for being a hypocrite.
This is definitive KWABOTY material. Dynamite would need to be shoot cancelled or Vince would need to be in actual jail to beat this.
>>18101469Something only obese internet faggots care about will never be a KWABOTY
>>18099601 (OP)AND NEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>18101589I didn't say AEW was KWABOTY.
>>18101452>but the moment you do you're raked against the coals for being a hypocriteHas he changed his opinions on gay rights and feminism?
>>18099601 (OP)Punk must have really feared for his life to think he had to so publicly and pathetically apologize and lick the boot of Saud like that.
>>18101715CM SKUNK SUCKING SAUDI COCK LIKE A LITTLE COMMERCIAL WHORE
>>18101715He could have not gone. He wants to keep getting paid.
>>18099601 (OP)It's fucking real.
>>18099848>Punks sell out because you can't be angry and young foreverProblem is, he was angry right until he landed in Saudi. He's a bitch, just face it.
>>18100039They drugged and Pepsi-boarded him into submission.
>>18100042>He did this without even blinking or feeling ashamedHe's ashamed. He's just a good liar.
>>18100124It's this. Some of the easiest people too manipulate, too.
>>18100390>people change>changed last week>changed after burning bridges, not self growth.>changed after being forced to by country that will shoot kill you for farting the wrong way.
>>18100473With no power. It's a show king. He can't publicly kill anyone for disrespect or change laws.
>>18101882He's a good liar with no shame tho, you can see him laughing thinking this is stupid and a joke when he issues his half assed apology, he's even laughing at the fat fuck in the audience asking for it
>>18101934>He's a good liar with no shame thoIf he had no shame, he wouldn't lie all the time.
>>18100390He wore troon lives matter shirt when he was in AEW just like two years ago. You know very well what Saudis do to faggots.
LMAO WHAT AN APOLOGISING BITCH. How cranky is this faggot gonna be in the morning?
>>18099601 (OP)LIKE MUSSOLINI
AND KENNEDY
I'M THE CULT OF KWA-A-BOTY
CULT OF KWA-A-BOTY
CULT OF KWA-A-BOOOOOTY
>>18101469Is it enough to beat the actual front runner Janella though?
>>18101758he wants that nxt coach position so he can groom upcoming women for the next two decades
Tiny bros our KWABOTY dynastyโฆ.
>Fragile mind?
Yes
>Fragile ego?
Yes
>Weak body?
Yes
>Weak spirit?
Unabashedly so
>>18101715I think the SHUT THE FUCK UP chants may have rocked his ego
Blood Money Covered Dick status?
Sucked.
>hates Colt Cabana for visiting friends backstage at WWE
>goes back himself to WWE, begging for a contract and to suck their cocks
>still holds it against Colt Cabana.
EVEN THROUGH THE DARKEST DAYS
I SUCK BLOODY COCK ALLLWAYS
I SUCK BLOODY COCK ALLLWAYS
>>18099772>Derangement status?
>>18101589So anything wrestling related will never be KWABOTY?
>>18099601 (OP)Oh wow. Didn't think they would force him to make a public apology. thought just by showing up it'd be enough
>>18099601 (OP)Damn, those Arabs hate Punk.
>>18099601 (OP)>his name was mohammedlmfao
wtf is this
are all musis named mohammed and all pajeets named rakesh
i thought it was just a meme
lol
lmao
This is really grim. You sold out your entire belief system for Saudi money.
>>18102778John you sold yours out for Cdgtrh
hinese money?
>>18102778John you sold yours out for Chinese money?
>>18099725Punk stands with Palestine, Tubby. His opinion has changed over time.
>>18099601 (OP)>This guy wants to apologize hahaha>"SHUT THE FUCK UP">O-Okay he-he is right, I a-apologize s-saudi overlordsKek get fucked Phil, you shouldn't have come out of the tranny toybox
KWABOTY 2025
Did he apologize for the blood money or the Mohammad toy box comment?
>>18099939>>18099803He wanted to pander with a a Palestinian flag and shout-out, but he fears his Jewish masters more than Mohammedens
>>18100124Except, Punk wanted back in when he was doing the Fox WWE show. That was before his AEW run. Vince wasn't interested. Your narrative falls apart.
>Be wrong
>Apologise
>This is a bad thing
AEWtists are mentally ill.
>>18103124He was right though. He apologized under pressure. He doesn't regret the sentiment, he regrets being held accountable for it
>>18103179>He apologized under pressure. He doesn't regret the sentiment, he regrets being held accountable for itHis defenders are purposefully trying to ignore this detail, because they're slimy people.
I love seeing everyone shit on Phil
>>18103307He makes it too easy
you don't even have to try
but it is fun seeing the Punk dick suckers try and run damage control
>>18101214>quoting shapirolmfao you're such a fag
>>18103389Im a huge fan of Punk and I laugh at fellow Punk fans trying to defend him from you PDS patients because it's stupid and a waste of time/energy.
>huge deal with tko>future head of creative forr NXT>over as fuck and a top merch seller>wins every feud >fucks cute nxt girlsPunk is winning. And by extension, us Punk fans win. so why waste energy arguing with you guys kek you only exist online. Phil runs shit in reality
>>18103875He's an oldfag. Never achieved anything outside wrestling. If he doesn't get the nXt job, his life is over.
>hhh dies of a heart attack. Tko restores Vince. Vince blocks punk and forces retirement
>Im a huge fan of Punk and I laugh at fellow Punk fans trying to defend him from you PDS patients because it's stupid and a waste of time/energy.
>>huge deal with tko
>>future head of creative forr NXT
>>over as fuck and a top merch seller
>>wins every feud
>>fucks cute nxt girls
>Punk is winning. And by extension, us Punk fans win. so why waste energy arguing with you guys kek you only exist online. Phil runs shit in reality
>>18103307It's great fun isn't it
>>18103307it's almost as fun as laughing at aew
>>18099601 (OP)Wont be no sliding now
gladly that cancer is gone from our locker room the aew likes to keep the positive vibes
>>18103124Itโs not about being wrong an apologizing fren. If he thought he was wrong heโs had years to walk it back. He apologized publicly now so that he could be allowed to do exactly what the dork he was criticizing did; ie suck a blood money covered cock. That seems less like an apology and more like compromising any shred of integrity for some Saudi gibs
>>18099601 (OP)>crawling back to the E to apologize>he's right on it being a fucking tweet from 6 years ago>the saudi boo>then cheers >literally trained sealsahhaha everyone is retarded
>>18100042he's a carny at heart
>>18102823The difference is that at least John never prented to be pinnacle of virtue like Phil does. In fact, nobody would care about this shit if Phil didn't open his mouth in the first place
>>18106624>prented to be pinnacle of virtue like Phil doesFunny thing is, it's all rather recent. Back in the day Phil wasn't always trying to act holier than thou. It started during his AEW comback
>>18107153Started more around when he did the podcast with Colt Cabana
he's just got progressively worse
>>18107172https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4DHxnfsJBk
Yup, I forgot about this
>>18102966And Saudi Arabia is allied with Israel, you retard.
>Clowned Miz hard for that Saudi check, said โsuck a blood money dick", no hiding
>Then came back years later all humble, half-smiling, apologizing
>>18099772Leftoids are beyond reasoning. The brainrot is too terminal.
>>18107524You're right. Punk is beyond reasoning.
I love late-stage fandom. All of the people left as CM Punk fans, what keeps you going?
>>18103307we all used to make fun of punk on /asp/ until he joined aew and all the punk fans from reddit came crawling out of the woodwork
>>18107528Correct.
>Im here to make moneyAlso
>I hate people who have money
>>18103096>Vince wasn't interestedbullshit, Vince LOVES it when people come crawling back and have to work for him.
>>18107570This. It was just Punk being desperate, but trying to cover his tracks, as usual
>"I didn't really go back. It wasn't actually the WWE!"Transparent stuff.
Respect to the miz for managing to keep quiet on all of this. he should have just taken to twitter and buried the fuck out of punk. i hope hes at least crank calling him daily in a shitty saudi accent
>>18100516that would be based tho
>>18099601 (OP)did he seriously apologize to fucking mohammed lmfao
>>18100469leftists use uneducated like it's an insult without realizing that the right views education as indoctrination
>Right: Education is indoctrination - you don't learn anything meaningful>Left: *smug_wojack.exe* --pushes glasses up-- heh, you're uneducated ::sips on expensive wine::Then when the left loses elections, they cry wondering why the Right is "voting against their own self-interest". It's astounding how the left truly is incapable of understanding the Right has a different value system.
>>18099601 (OP)this image will be reposted until the end of time
>>18099601 (OP)funny but man his excuse was so weak I laughed
>N-Nah bro, it wasn't at all aimed at you guys, honest!
>>18102966palestine isn't arabian funnily enough so either you concede that modern day palestinians aren't native to the levant or that you're a retard
>>18099601 (OP)What the fuck did people ever like about this guy?
>>18100516It's almost like "CM Punk" is a character and pro-wrestling his job, and the point of having a job is to make money.
>Muh moralsGet worked you goobers.
>>18109047also "I woke up crabby in a bad mood :(" like hes a fuckin child who didn't get his nap and apple juice and cookies. Fuck off cunt. Grow up
>>18109096So you admit Puke is a massive full of shit fraud
>>18100390How the fuck in 2015 can you be anything remotely leftist? The culture started changing around that time and I've clung to my principles harder and harder as the years went on. Then again, I have a friend who was a communist but then found Jesus, so I don't know. Just don't tell me you like it up the ass.
I would say still Tony, but boca is the frontrunner for KWABOFTY
>>18109185I admit that he's playing a character and I have enough emotional intelligence to not get worked up by a fictional character. Sadly the same can't be said for you, you probably have an anime pillow girlfriend.
Couldn't care less about his morals or lack of them. I care about whether he's good at his job or not...He was awful at MMA so I wanted him gone, he's great as a pro-wrestler so he's fine by me...Outside of that I couldn't care less (and neither should you) about his personal morals. He is a human being just like you, and you've also acted hypocritically in your own life, you just don't know enough people for it to be a big deal.
His job is to go out in his underwear and have a pretend fight with another man. He's either good at that or he's not. Making him some kind of paragon of social change is what happens when someone grows up without a strong father figure.
>>18101954Why is his hypocrisy such a huge deal while you have an entire roster of wrestlers that are also compliant in doing business with Saudi Arabia. I think all of this is stupid and naive anyway but why does the rest of the roster get a pass?
>>18109185Have you ever listened to the lyrics of his pro-wrestling theme song, friend?
>Lol fuck u miz
>oh now i get a chance at that skrilla?
>lemme get my tongue all up in that sand filled saudi dickhole
"go suck a blood money covered dick in saudi arabia' is very specific and a weird thing to pull out of nowhere if you were just mad at the miz of all people lol. miz made fun of his gay ass "change the culture" line on WWE backstage and punk was so angry and worked he came back with that for some bizarre reason then deleted it
>>18109365You would disown your own mother for a Saudi payday. You already post on 4chan, your sense of morals can't be that high.
>Morons in the wrestling sub-culture are acting shocked and outraged that a guy who cut off his own blood relatives because they stole a couple hundred dollars from him 25 years ago took a Saudi check
This all but confirms to me that pro-wrestling fans, even the so-called smart ones, are the most idiotic fans on the planet.
I know Cena is trying to do some meta commentary on the industry in this heel run, which he isn't quite pulling off well, but the pro-wrestling fan base is quite honestly the dumbest collection of individuals one could ever encounter.
I almost envy the casual viewer or YouTuber who just tunes in to have fun for a few hours then goes back to their regular life than the clowns who are chronically online having debates about dumb stuff like this.
>>18109412Making fun of a guy for having no real principals like we knew is not shock and outrage. I'm still waiting for phil to wear pro-abortion t shirts on WWE TV. .
>>18109454>I'm still waiting for phil to wear pro-abortion t shirts on WWE TVHe wore that on AEW TV cause he knew his fan base and was appealing to them so that his check would be bigger.
The reason he was mad at Hangman primarily was because his antics were jeopardizing the gate for the PPV, it was going to affect how much money he made. Same with the Bucks spreading bad rumors about him.
It's so obvious that Phil cares about money and he uses social causes to ensure that happens. Someone who doesn't care about money wouldn't get into the octagon at the age of 39 with 0 training.
I reiterate my point, pro-wrestling fans are dumb as rocks.
>>18110104>Phil is a greedy jew bitch that only cares about the moneyThat isnt the flex you think it is. Hanger and co care more about the fans than working the marks out of every penny like your little jewish ran fag fed
>>18110257>Hanger and co care more about the fans Wow good for them. I don't care. They don't draw money and 20 years from now no one will remember them or their legacies.
At the end of the day, they're grown men having play-fights with their shirts of. It's not like they're doing anything profound outside of entertainment.
>They care more about the fansMy poor sides. Why is this so important to you?
>>18110645because we're fans and not piles of money?
>>18110703So Hangman and the bucks wrestle for free?
>>18110703isn't it weird how the anti-smarks literally cannot engage in conversation like normal fans?
>>18110764......huh?
are you a bot, and not a human with a functioning brain?
>>18110935Why can't you answer a simple question? You treat pro-wrestling as this larger than life to thing when in reality all it is is just a job.
>>18110897Theres gonna be Nuremberg level trials for this entire administration when its all said and done
Jesus what a pathetic spineless bitch.
>>18110967i can't answer the question because i can't understand the question, it's nonsensical.
you realize you're a fan, right? you're not an advertiser, or a wrestler, or a promotion owner.
>>18111111Yes I'm a fan. I know my role. I don't try to fantasy book or peek into the wrestler's personal lives. If the product sucks I stop watching, if I don't like a wrestler, I don't watch their segments.
You on the other hand are not a fan. You're a schizo. You're obsessed with everything, especially the things you don't like. You're obsessed with rumors and gossip. You speculate about things you have 0 evidence for. You think wrestling is the end-all be-all of reality so much so that the actions of a washed 47 year old Chicago wrestler have you flustered 24/7.
I wish you and the rest of the smarks acted like fans. You're a big part of why wrestling is dead and gets no respect in the mainstream circles. You're too embarrassing for any well adjusted individual to want to have any sort of loose association with. Every time I come to this board, I am embarrassed by you all and what you choose to post. Thanks for ruining wrestling and demoting it into the same tier as foot fetishism.
Wrestling will never be cool again (and I'm okay with that) thanks to losers like you.
>>18099601 (OP)kek the sisses over at SquaredCircle gonna be seething over this one.
>>18107355>if i told you that I sucked a blood money covered dick at 46 would you believe me?
Wasn't this dude at some lefty protest just a week ago?, that "No Kings" failure shit?, I know this is wrestling but, just like, what the fuck you know?
>>18109282except we aren't talking about his in ring wrestling promos retard
you cant be this retarded...
>>18113238He's not. He's just rolling out the cope most wrestling dickriders have in their fannypack pockets. They worship someone and latch onto the person for personal attribute, even argue that X person wouldn't do this or that with all sorts of emotional wankery. But when the wrestler is exposed as a hypocrite, all of a sudden, it's
>"I don't take any of this personally. They're just playing a character. I don't care. It's just wrestling"
You'd think maybe Phil's fans would turn on him but they're all sucking blood money covered dicks at a music festival right now.
>>18112308Make no mistake, drones exist well beyond WWE.
They are quite literally cheering on Hamas at a music festival right now after they slaughtered hundreds of innocent people at a music festival.
>>18109412>if you mock him for his repeated stupidity, you're shocked.No. We know he's a retard. And guess what? When he's KWABd again, we'll shit on him again. The "oh why are you so shocked" meme is a cope. You're trying to run defense. Nobody's falling for it.
>>18099601 (OP)Totally cucked man Punker
>>18109350It's just a guy yelling "PEPSIMAAAAAAN" over some music and random noise.
I had long work week so missed it
No way CM tard actually bent the knee and disgraced himself like that!
I have to see this to believe it
>>18115003Here
https://x.com/Cory_Hays407/status/1938608994810998942/
>>18115706Holy shit he really is a spineless faggot and a liar as well
as he said he would never wrestle in Saudi Arabia and went on a bitchfit about the WWE going there
So him saying he had no problem with Saudi Arabia is complete bullshit LOL
>>18115852Look at this;
https://x.com/KXNGAO/status/1938626230636425391/
Were those comments "never about Saudi Arabia at all" either ?
I wonder if he got a talking to privately by some people totally not acting on behalf of the Government who advised it him it would be "in his best interests" to address and apologise for this very publicly.
Lest he have a terrible skiing accident or something........
>>18116219I had not seen this clip before. Christ. He says it outright there.
>>18099601 (OP)The "I offer this advice in complete sincerity!!" gimmick always goes over for some reason, nobody doubles down anymore
>>18116219>โHow many Saudi Arabia shows do they have to do to bring back CM Punk?โ>Punk: โI donโt knowโฆ Iโm not doing a single one of those. . . it sounds so shady.โ>PFT: Itโs like backyard wrestling for MBS>Punk: Yeah, right!
>>18099601 (OP)Still not as bad as Cenetty apologizing to China for recognising Taiwan as a country.
>>18117145Why are Egroes so quick to bend the knee to foreign powers?
>>18099601 (OP)CM PUNK is jewish
>Oy vey
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>>18118851>silly goyim yapping out his assholeProselytes aren't Jewish. Hate to break it to ya. A black woman converting to Judaism, then having a kid, doesn't make the kid Jewish. lmao. That's simply a proselyte's child. Funny how the one's always bringing it up the Juden, don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
>>18099601 (OP)Unbelievable self-KWAB
>>18116219>https://x.com/KXNGAO/status/1938626230636425391/>"My comments had nothing to do with Saudi ARabia......."
>>18121411How does he explain this one away?
>>18122072>HE CHANGED HIS MINDwith zero explanation as to why
but the answer is and always will be because money
punk will sellout without question
>>18118851Anon, youโre getting your information from the Times of India. These subhumans havenโt mastered pooping indoors yet you think they are smart enough to follow through on simple research? Picrel is Debra Green author who contributed to Coming of Age: 13 Bโnai mitzvah stories. Something tells me that isnโt the same Debra Green whose daughter is Jade Cargill. Odds are you are also Indian, in which case. GMS.
>>18119984Youโd generally be correct. Clearly her mom isnโt even the author listed. However, she could actually be Jewish. A lot of Jews Went to Jamaica to teach and started fucking the locals and going native. In that case her mom wouldnโt be a convert. Her grandmother could have been a shoot Khazar that came to be a Dr. or do humanitarian stuff. Then had a daughter, then had her. I believe her mom was a Dr. and looks like sheโs bi racial. Malcolm Gladwell had the same setup. His mom was a Dr. with a Jewish mother and his dad was not black at all and a mathematics professor.
>>18122131They specifically diss MBS in that clip.
There is 0 chance nobody in the Saudi Govt, specifically their PR wing, did not know about this.
I don't think that public apology was the only one he issued that day/weekend. There was definitely some behind the scenes groveling done
his fake apology made no sense. he said it wasn't about Saudi, he was mad at Miz. then why did he mention blood money?
if it was any other country, he wouldn't have said that.
MBS is still a murderous dictator. Jamal Khashoggi is still dead.
it's still blood money.
it's just ok now that Punk gets to collect some of it so now he's sorry for what he said.
it's fine apologizing to Miz. Miz never should've been singled out for that anyway like as if he was the only wrestler going there. either criticize all of them or none of them. and notice Punk chose Miz, someone who's an easy target and wasn't that respected.
but apologizing to Saudi Arabia is stupid. and Saudi Arabian fans shouldn't be offended by it, Punk was criticizing the government, not the people. do the fans there not know about the brutal regime they live under? they must.
>>18122609Iโm supposed to care about some faggot named Jamal? No thanks. I donโt care about Jamals in the U.S. and Iโm okay with them being murdered.
It's over for his edgy outsider of wrestling gimmick. Now they can claim he bends the knee when the money is threatened just like the rest of them
>>18101954We had a similar case here with Jordan Henderson the former England football captain and Liverpool player. He was very vocal in the pride celebrations in football but at the end of his career he tool the big money contract to play in Saudi Arabia. He tried to play the "I'm going to change the culture from the inside" angle but his reputation was completely destroyed. He ended up leaving after a year and going to play in Germany I think kek
>>18099743>a carny wrestler carnies people>people are shocked a carny would carnyGrow the fuck up already man
>>18118845very interesting indeed