Thread 18416529

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR3JX2DifFY

HBGay throws a tantrum after being outpoliticked by the GOAT.

>>18416529 (OP)
being a vile racist chud aside, ya gotta admit shawn was BTFO

>>18416529 (OP)
>You now remember when Hogan came back in 02-03 and didn't help attendance or ratings at all
Why was that? Was wrestling just actually dead at this point?

>>18417525
Triple H killed the ratings unironically

>>18417535
As booker, he's gonna finish the job. Similar to how Tanahashi led NJP into its dark ages in the 00's and kills NJPW as President

>>18416529 (OP)
And he made a mockery out of that retarded chud faggot who then was universally hated for the rest of his career, got booed out of the building at his last ever appearance in wrestling and died a painful death, LMAO

Hogan is big as fuck

>>18417558
>universally
You don't know what that word means

>>18416529 (OP)
>Best Summerslam match
>Hogan's 3rd best match after Rock and Andre
Pure Sports-Entertainment

This is unironically how everyone should sell for the big draws

>>18417525
You had to be there. The wrestling fanbase was damn near cut in half once WCW ended. A lot of people stopped watching wrestling entirely when that happened

Love Shawn, but he was such a faggot in this match (even though the match was funny)
>politic for years and get your way
>Hogan shows up and out politics you
>go out an expose the business (again) instead of just doing the job like Vince tells you to
Imagine if Davy Boy did this after Shawn politiced win the European Title against Davy in Britain?

>>18417932
Yeah, because Hogan has never exposed the business because he threw a hissy fit, right?

>>18417525
Crazy if you were still a fan in the 2000s you could pay next no nothing and see like 20 hall of famers on one show. Now cheap seats to see bianca belair vs iyo sky cost 300

>>18417942
The Davey shit is even funnier when you remember he rage quit over Bret like 3 weeks later

>>18417941
This was Russo's writing. And this wasn't Hogan's plan. He politiced Jarrett into jobbing, but then him and Russo decided to do this "lay down" shit.

>>18417932
Bulldog should have beat the fuck out of Shawn

>>18417525
The people who 02-03 Hogan would have appealed to were watching anyway
>>18417760
it’s kinda this. Hollywood Hogan was new for some people who never watched Nitro but the fans who literally never watched WWF weren’t going to switch over for the nWo again

>>18416529 (OP)
Did they cut Shawn doing the shovel taunt during Hogan's entrance?

how fucked were hogan's knees at this point? just from him walking to the ring I can see something is wrong

>>18418086
No it’s still there

honestly though I think if somebody sold and bumped this hard for me I'd consider it a compliment rather than the insult Shawn wanted it to be

I remember their match at mania 2000 or whatever it was. Hogan destroyed him and embarrassed him so badly out there, so called Mr wrestle mania, on the grandest stage of them all, Hogan beat him up so bad hbk actually backed out of the best of 7 series they had planned.he said "Vince, we cant do this.." and if you actually look, you cant find any footage of that wrestlemania on the network now. it's been erased. Michaels has had it erased from history on the network

Imagine prime coked out Shawn and prime politicking Hogan in the same era.

>>18418182
Shawn would still get BTFO but would’ve definitely made for an entertaining scene in the ring

>>18417941

Russo has Jarrett literally lay on the canvas and it's Hogan who somehow is exposing the business?

>>18417525
So basically he was holding the company together while triple H kept destroying it, got it.

>>18417525
Pretty much, the reaction he got at WM 18 everyone thought they could do the red and yellow again but no one seemed to care after he won the title.

>>18418128
Meds

>>18418340
>fans cheered Hollywood Hogan
>decide to bring back the red and yellow
Why not just do a face run for Hollywood?

>>18417932
Nah, it was completely justified. Hogan thought he could get out of doing business, so Shawn basically spen the entire build and match shovelling egg on Hogan's face masterclass in how to bury someone even when you lose kinda like when Hogan "put over" Kidman really

>>18418397
Good point but Hogan was acting like his old self with Hulking up and the point and everything. I guess they misinterpreted it, ik Nash and Hall were upset because they knew they'd be DOA as the NWO without Hogan.

>>18418404
>. Hogan thought he could get out of doing business,
Shawn did the same shit MANY times. And the losers in his politicking never oversold to hurt the match, the fans, or the company.

>>18418423
I get the logic too, but a face Hollywood Hogan run could have been really interesting. NWO always got lots of cheers anyway. Unironically a face Hollywood vs heel Austin might have saved Austin's heel turn.

>>18417760
I stopped watching when they did the retarded brand split. If it wasn't for that I would have still been a fan

>>18416529 (OP)
What would be the modern equivalent of this? Seth clowning on Lesnar?

>>18418494
Shawn would bury and politic people openly though. Basically the entirety of 97 Shawn just cut burial promos and ended most of them by saying he wasn't laying down for anyone no matter what.

>>18418585
Brock's a genuine asskicker instead of a gimmick, so no. There's not really any big politickers left either.

>>18416529 (OP)
If Hogan was so good why does everyone have a fuck hulk hogan story? not just haters other massive stars too

>>18418340
People only wanted him around for one nostalgia run and for some reason Vince decided to keep him around after. You can find observer reports around that time where Vince started to
realize Hogan didn't have anywhere close to the drawing power he had before. To be fair to him, absolutely no one was drawing new fans in at this time.

>>18416529 (OP)
Shawn got screwed here by them not doing a rematch/trilogy but he dunked on Hogan directly instead of crying about it for 30 years.

>>18416529 (OP)
Proof that "the new Shawn" was just a work

>>18418663
He embarrassed some old chud retard which was based

>>18418663
>NOOOo not my heckin matcherino think about the star rating!!

>>18418650
>but he dunked on Hogan directly instead of crying about it for 30 years.
Didn’t actually think about it like that, is Shawn the only person to actually do something about Hogan? Not that it was much because it was an entertaining match for what it’s worth but this makes me look at Shawn in a new way lmfao

>>18417605
Based connoisseur of good wrestling

>>18418494
1. whataboutism is not a counterargument
2. how did it "hurt the match, the fans, or the company."

>>18416529 (OP)
Watching Shawn get out-politicked by a true shark like Hogan was very funny. This was Shawn's karmic debt for all the shit he pulled in the 90s.

>>18418853
Hogan's karmic debt was being universally hated for the rest of his career and his last appearance in wrestling being him getting thrown out by the fans and then he died of a broken heart

>>18418862
KWAB
all carnys are terrible people
they all deserve bad things

I just watched it and the match was actually good.

I was like 15 when I saw this match. This was back in the day they had WWE PPVs playin at Hooters. Me and my friends would go every month or so and all the other tables were wrestling fans as well. Good times.

>>18417525
>Why was that?
Vince made his retarded daughter the head of creative and told his two biggest stars to fuck off which immediately ran away 80% of the audience.

I'm not watching that shit but HBK has a god tier theme song

>>18418940
yeah the second half is really good, Shawn stopped overselling eventually

>>18418994
that's when Hulkster started shooting

>>18418109
Hogan unironically considered it a compliment until people pointed out that Shawn was mocking him.

>>18418612
Probably the most kino run ever.

>>18418612
>Shawn would bury and politic people openly though.
He literally schemed Davy Boy Smith out of his European title in BRITAIN (with Davys cancer ridden sister in the crowd). What the fuck are you talking about, retard? He did this to numerous people.

>>18418843
>1. whataboutism is not a counterargument
So....Shawn doing this for years with no punishment = ok, but then Hogan does it to him and Shawn throws a hissyfit = also ok?
Faggot
>2. how did it "hurt the match, the fans, or the company."
The match was a joke. Imagine if Shawn did this during any of his great matches (Hell in a Cell, Ladder matches with Razor, etc). It was a funny match, but that's it. The fans were robbed of a great match.
>the company
This was just more exposing the business. This and the curtain call led to the "I'm currently in a storyline with this wrestler" shit that we have now.

>>18418862
>being him getting thrown out by the fans
I'm sure he was more happy with helping Trump win than a bunch of LA leftist faggots booing him.

>>18417525
The brand split was a horrible idea.

>>18419286
>So....Shawn doing this for years with no punishment = ok, but then Hogan does it to him and Shawn throws a hissyfit = also ok?
hogan getting to be made to look foolish for going "that doesn't work for me brother" is perfectly fine
>The match was a joke. Imagine if Shawn did this during any of his great matches (Hell in a Cell, Ladder matches with Razor, etc). It was a funny match, but that's it. The fans were robbed of a great match.
that's always how shawn sold as a heel just a bit extra to make hogan look dumb
>This was just more exposing the business. This and the curtain call led to the "I'm currently in a storyline with this wrestler" shit that we have now
the buisness has been exposed since before color tv anon the genie was never going back in the bottle post internet just have to get over it

>>18419615
>hogan getting to be made to look foolish for going "that doesn't work for me brother" is perfectly fine
But when Shawn did the same "that doesn't work for me" shit for years was ok? If anything you should be equally as happy that Shawn got put his place by a bigger fish.
>that's always how shawn sold as a heel just a bit extra to make hogan look dumb
Delusional. There's a reason why people single out this match. There's overselling and comical overselling.
>the buisness has been exposed since before color tv anon the genie was never going back in the bottle post internet just have to get over it
Sure thing, retard. I bet you love the "I'm in a storyline with this wrestler!" shit you see WWE do now.

>>18419586
>The brand split was a horrible idea.
It still is.

>>18417512
>being a vile r-ACK!

>>18419666
>But when Shawn did the same "that doesn't work for me" shit for years was ok? If anything you should be equally as happy that Shawn got put his place by a bigger fish.
still whataboutism
>Delusional. There's a reason why people single out this match. There's overselling and comical overselling.
literally watch his matches in 97
>Sure thing, retard. I bet you love the "I'm in a storyline with this wrestler!" shit you see WWE do now.
why should i be outraged over it?

>>18420034
>still whataboutism
Still deflecting. Still ignore history and logic.
Me: "Shawn shouldn't have oversold the match
You: "WHATABOUT Hogan's "doesn't work for me, brother"?
kys retard
>literally watch his matches in 97
I have. He oversold, but there's a reason why people go to Hogan/Michaels as Michaels overselling to the point of being a retard.
>why should i be outraged over it?
Exactly. You're a retard that will swallow whatever your wrestling company gives you.

Those slaps around 13:09 were probably shoot strong ones and not planned, Hulk seems really pissed after taking them.

Then after Shawn slaps him once more at 13:42, this one looks strong too, then Hogan answers with a really strong and fast punch which is unusual for him.

>>18420100
none of your arguments are valid

>>18420701
I accept your concession.

>>18416529 (OP)
The match was still good. Even if HBK didn't oversell it would still have been a good match.