Thread 18463832

Raiden, get out of there now! Brock Lesnar is heading your way! If you get caught, smash L2 and R2 to escape his finishing move.

>>18463832 (OP)
>Is this video really necessary, Colonel?

>>18463832 (OP)
was he shoot gay for that Brazilian heel he feuded with? and that Romanian monster heel with the no selling gimmick that he had a homoerotic borderline fornication flippy shit match with?

>>18463832 (OP)
But that's the prompt to Steal a Finisher.

>>18464734
>the codec version of rose was an AI fabrication all along
>the implications of this
there are layers to this

>>18464600
it's called a bromance.

>>18465063
no it was massively gay. bedroom eyes in the first fight aside even. using the nigga's flamboyant red sword, his stance and catchphrase, completely shaping his worldview to Sam's. it was gay AF

>>18465196
balls didn't touch

>>18465218
balls for sure touched here. chuds hated Raiden when he was badass and masculine but loved him when he was a gay jobber

>>18465245
By your logic, every subsaharan stabbing someone in London happens because it's gay

>>18465443
it wasn't an ordinary come-from-behind shanking but it was still a come from behind situation kek
https://youtu.be/8UMb-ubySec?t=626
look at this. they're grinding. penetration and white liquid. lovestruck giggles. it's gay AF by design

>>18465478
nah, I think you just want it to be gay. It's not gay to stab yourself trying to kill a near immortal weirdo.

>>18465560
it's in the subtext. Vamp is bisexual and he drank Raiden's white liquid in a bondage situation. then they started dancing together and it ended with dry humping, getting really close together and Vamp asking if he'll finna "finish" him

>>18465478
>grunting
>laughing
>effort
>looking back and smiling
>going even further
he's on to something.

>>18465560
>it's not gay if
anon...

>>18465478
This is a lot more homoerotic than I remembered it being. Hate how Raiden is presented as the bottom

>>18465627
Pulling out and pretty much going for a kiss too

>>18465588
you can start reading into the innuendo if you got a flithy pornhub brainwashed mind but waving a knife in someones face in attempt to hurt them isn't sexual and won't be read as such in court no many how many boners you claim you had in your defense.

>>18465847
When a serial killer or rapist uses a knife during a crime profilers see it as a stand in for their cock. Often they can't get it up but still want to penetrate

>>18465866
if the the perp is gay doesn't automatically make the victim gay is what I am getting at, even if penetration is involved knife or genital.

>>18466109
So you admit the fight looked homoerotic

>>18466148
it's only erotic if you read into the innuendo, so no. It's like saying shooting someone is gay because you use a phallic object to put stuff inside another man. That is not erotic to me, homo or straight.

>>18466174
If there was innuendo then there's a sexual element to it. It's just not overt like a literal sex scene.

>>18466184
in canon, I think Vamp is bisexual, it's on some codec call or some shit but despite the rapey elements the fight isn't erotic.
Vamp was also supposed to be a woman but I think Konami pulled the plug on that because lesbianisms with Fortune was implied and that's a no no in jap media, or was at the time

>>18466207
Snake tells Raiden that Vamp is bisexual and then shames him for thinking it's weird. Vamp was never Fortune's lover, he was her father's lover and explicitly not romantic or sexual towards Fortune.
Also rape is erotic.

>>18466230
Japs are weird.
I'd say, as would many state laws, that rape, despite by definition causing arousal in the perpetrator is not a erotic act for in order to for the victim to gain willing arousal from it forehand, they would be willing and there for making it not a rape but struggle snuggle fantasy fulfillment. There are studies that females can receive orgasm through intercourse that started as a rape but even in those cases the non-consensual nature of what initiated penetration is not arousing. Therefor rape is just perversion and not erotic.

>>18466484
Why are you talking about legal definitions when we're talking about a fight scene with innuendo?

>>18466109
>if the the perp is gay doesn't automatically make the victim gay
>>18466174
>it's only erotic if you read into the innuendo
If the perp kills men then yes he is homosexual and uses the knife as a stand in for his dick. If he kills women it is still a stand in for his dick. So by what the anon was saying this shit is super gay and you claiming it's only gay if you read into it is like saying gay porn is only gay if you bother to check if the asshole the guy is fuckign belongs to a guy.

>>18466555
In my opinion, I think you have to consider bit of both as well as the view point of the characters and the viewer of the media when you make generalizations like "rape is erotic" and "this scene is (homo)erotic" when the scene implies one sided arousal of a character and lets say "compromising" positions and innuendo.

>>18466590
If you look above I made the argument early on that balls weren't touching so it wasn't gay, so it is "no homo" but the counter-argument was that is gay because of the way it looked and that's why we've had bants about the thing going on for a while now.
And now we gotta get into if a gay perp kills a man but is not aroused by it is it still gay if he penetrates the victim with a knife because that's phallic.

>>18466613
>on that balls weren't touching so it wasn't gay
>so it is "no homo"
Guys who use this sort of speech and argue shit like this abut thngs being "no homo" are 100% of the time faggots who have been fucked or sucked dick. The shit pictured here is super homo and if you need to argue against that it means you find it sexy and/or you've played around like that and gotten fucked by a dude.

>>18466592
I think you're looking too into the argument and not the fight itself. It goes something like this from memory:
>Raiden ends up starfished by the Gekkos while Vamp approaches, taunts and cuts him (BDSM) with white liquid coming out of the cuts, which Vamp proceeds to drink
>Snake cuts the Gekkos cables and the fight begins with a lot of grunting and lascivious movements from Vamp
>Several shots of both characters spreading their legs wide open for the other (Raiden breakdancing/Vamp jumping)
>Vamp coming up behind Raiden and Raiden penetrating them both through the pelvis
>Vamp essentially saying "go deeper" and slowly pulls the sword in as blood and "white liquid" squirts out with disgusting meat noises
>Vamp humping Raiden from behind and lifting him off his feet
>*Huff*
>*Grunt*
>Look into each other's eyes and smile
>Pull out, get really close together "Will you finish me Raiden?"
If you legit, in your heart of hearts, most neutral state of mind can't see why people would find any of this rich with homoerotic innuendo and subtext then you're working a Eugene gimmick as a shoot

>>18466613
nobodys saying Vamp turned Raiden gay and they had gay sex off screen dude. Raiden is a straight man. it's just that the fight looked gay

>>18466648
>If you legit, in your heart of hearts, most neutral state of mind can't see why people would find any of this rich with homoerotic innuendo and subtext then you're working a Eugene gimmick as a shoot
He's going to argue that all of that is super normal and not gay at all unless you want it to be gay. This is the kid your parents wouldn't allow you to play alone with because they saw the look in his eye and how he always wanted to put you in a full nelson from the back.

>>18466670
No, it's still the same argument as earlier that just because one them is faggy and flirtatious does not mean the whole thing a gay interaction. It does not work that way - if Vamp was a fat black woman and Raiden fought her in the scene that would not make Raiden a fat kween thriller.

>>18466648
When you start over analysing the fight and hyping the innuendos you yourself associate with sexuality you are willing it to be more gay than it is, i.e. fantasizing. Let me show you some examples on your own interpretation that are just projecting what you want to see when the actual scene is about killing and fighting:
>cuts him (BDSM) with white liquid coming out of the cuts
If you see milk do you instantly think that's cum?
>with a lot of grunting
male sounds are gay? Going to the gym must be awkward.
>characters spreading their legs wide open for the other
Legs being anything other than tightly together is gay?
>Look into each other's eyes and smile
Facial expressions are gay? Teeth are always gay and seeing teeth = smiling which is gay because it cannot convey amusement or contempt?

The actual quote is "will you be the one to finally finish me" i believe - in context of the story it's to kill him because he is immortal, if you take it out of that context and adding subcontext of homosexuality into it, you are making it gay for yourself.
With this logic any male on male action like wrestling is just gay porn. UFC is gay porn. All action movies are gay. Men smiling at each other is automatically gay flirting so comedies are out too.
That's not a good way to live man, your brain is making everything gay, your mind is too dirty, cleanse it by bathing in the waters of Lake Minnetonka or something. If that's what you want to see it's your privilege but telling others to see something only through that lens, that's pretty gay.

>Wins GOTY twice

Konami...I kneel...

so whats the deal with the raiden crotch grab scene

>>18467019
You're equivocating bigly for reasons that are beyond my understanding. You're simultaneously projecting and also strawmanning me. Your next post better have something worth addressing

>>18465245
>chuds
>loving gay femboy shit
pottery

>>18467085
But you gave me nothing to reply. You don't hef to get mad, is only game.

>>18467168
>only game

>>18467044
Didn't MGS 1 ps1 and MGS 1 gamecube do that too?

I really don't like that they fucked up the color grading from PS2 for this, the trailers looked wrong, hope its at least a menu option to add the original filters.

>>18467168
Yet you typed that fine speech

>>18467205
I like ranting and arguing with people over nothing

>>18467019
>if Vamp was a fat black woman and Raiden fought her in the scene that would not make Raiden a fat kween thriller.
If. If Vamp were something else the connotation would change? No shit. That works with everything. That also means that you inherently see how Vamp being a fag male alters the sequence. So you that the whole thing is gay. That's what context is. In a vacuum things can have whatever meaning you want, in context they are effected by their presentation and juxtaposition.

>>18467019
>i.e. fantasizing
Pointing out something is inherently gay isn't fantasizing. It's using your reasoning and opinion to make an observation about something you're looking at. If I say something is violent it doesnt mean I'm fantasizing about violence. Gaining sexual arousal from seeing something is fantasizing. You're trying to conflate two different meanings into one because you have a hard time arguing things and not appearing like a fag.

>>18465245
>Raiden kicks Vamp's ass without any cyborg parts or high freq katana
>Fully borged Raiden who can toss around military vehicles with his legs wielding a high freq katana can barely fight Vamp
>Snake softens Vamp up for Raiden and Raiden still barely wins
And since when were they big personal rivals that Kojima thinks this shit has any gravitas? This heatless feud never made sense to me

>>18467750
Kojima is not a good storyteller. Weebos just say his wiki slop is high level so that it seems like they are better fans than you.

>>18467689
You miss the point of the scene being at it's core acts of violence and somehow violence displayed is being ignored for focus on the implied or interpreted gayness of a character that supposedly makes both characters gay and according to some in a gay act.
Changing the characters to different genders, races and species in my example doesn't change the motivations and actions of the characters in the scene. That was the point of that thought exercise. A dog humping your leg while you fight it off doesn't make you a dog fucker anymore than Vamp humping Raidens proverbial leg during fighting makes the entire thing about gay things.
One green ball in a box red balls doesn't make it a box of full green balls etc. An element of something cannot dictate the nature and structure of entire container or context. It is a faulty observation, or at least a prejudicial generalization of its complete nature.

Further on: Why does this way of falsely interpretation only go towards the gay interpretation ? If the actual opposite was true that in the scene they'd slap their dicks around and penetrate each other, I wouldn't be here saying the scene was some high class innuendo about a cybernetically enhanced ninja sword fighting against a fruity nanotech vampire in a dystopian scifi world going through global proxy wars and trying to kill each for vengeance or sport. That would be lunacy.

>>18467966
>Changing the characters to different genders, races and species in my example doesn't change the motivations and actions of the characters in the scene.
This is probably one of the stupidest things you've ever written on this site, which encompasses quite a bit. The motivations for things to happen are more often than not, interwoven into who the characters involved are, to again give the action context and meaning. I say more often than not, because there are times that doesn't occur and it's usually written for or by someone with your level of understanding of anything they read, watch or write. Changing the characters, in a setting while keeping the same situation, leads to literally different genres of fiction you simple little homo. You forever try so hard to pretend you're both smart and not a closet faggot. You fail at both.

>>18467750
if you read about western wars, most wars are fought with people who have pretty much no heat with each other killing one another in conflicts for reasons they had no say in because they were ordered to do so. It's actually pretty hard to convince people do go die for shit that they don't have personal investment in so mankind invented field-commissars, court marshals, and propaganda to motivate people into killing people they might as well have football match to settle disputes with

>>18467747
This guy. THIS foookin' guuuuuyy.
The definition of fantasizing is "to create a mental image", not as you put it "gaining sexual arousal from seeing something". Try your version on the following sentence: "I fantasize about winning the lottery and giving my brother a plane ticket to San Francisco"

You already told in your own words that when you see eye contact, smiling, spread legs and break dancing it is evidence of gayness. You are surrounded by gayness all the time, you think my way of writing is faggy, it's everywhere you look you see it and get mad at it! But you don't step away from it either. Max Caster please.

>>18468022
I'm sorry that you are too shortsighted to see to see that two things trying to kill each other isn't tied to what color pants they are wearing in the scene and their motivation doesn't change because the motivation and goal is the fight and not the gay fucking you so want to see in it, that you see far and wide where ever there is even a hint of it.
Must be confusing to watch wrestling for you when John Cena comes out to the rematch with a different color shirt than the one he was wearing the last week, he must want to form a family with his opponent now and move to San Fransisco next to you and your brother lovely little home with matching sofa pillows and drapes and your baby dog called Sparklies.

>>18468037
I know why Raiden and Vamp are on opposite sides as field operators and need to kill each other. The feud between them, as rivals, has no heat and is carried by marks getting worked by Raiden's nonexistent "redemption" into a yummy edgy cyborg ninja with high heels and their flippy shit fight choreography

>>18468366
We're making a distinction between sexual fantasizing and fantasizing for two reasons.
1) because your whole argument is based on interpreting this in a homosexual manner, ie sexualizing
2) because it is already a work of video game fiction which itself is a "fantasy" created by a dev for a gamer.
Dealing with you is dealing with a cockroach. You think you're clever and aren't seen because you're small, brown and scurry around. But the lights are on and peoples eyes are open so they can see you. And step on you.
>I'm sorry that you are too shortsighted to see to see that two things trying to kill each other isn't tied to what color pants they are wearing in the scene
Thankfully that's not anywhere close to what I said. What I did say was characterization is tied to plot when something is written well, or even coherently which is a concept that is beyond you, unsurprisingly. Superman being from space, changes the context of finding him, a human looking baby, in a random field. Jaime and Sersi being siblings changes the context of their fucking and the threats it poses to them and the plot. These are simple things you can't argue. First because they're the basic tenets of writing, but mostly because you're stupid and incapable of arguing anything successfully.