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Anonymous No.18482507 >>18482626 >>18482629 >>18482638 >>18482639 >>18482641 >>18482672 >>18482686 >>18482687 >>18482698 >>18482725 >>18482808 >>18482942 >>18482989 >>18483070 >>18483214 >>18483411 >>18483423 >>18483606 >>18484042 >>18484055 >>18484065 >>18484080 >>18484098 >>18485347 >>18485796
Was Steve Austin's popularity retroactively manufactured?

During his breakout year in 1997 he lost the PWI wrestler of the year award to Dean Malenko

He really just wasn't popular without Mr. McMahon
Anonymous No.18482544
I considered him boring early on. Bret carried him to a literal HOF match at mania... but its his promos that ultimately made him memorable.
Anonymous No.18482545 >>18483975
>"It was me all along, Austin!"
Anonymous No.18482626 >>18482726 >>18485395 >>18485427
>>18482507 (OP)
Absolutely.
It can't be understated how desperate WWF was to manufacture a star in the wake of the NWO angle. The company was on 2.999 of a pin and had to kick out.
Crowd reaction to Austin early on was mid so they had to pipe in sound to get them going. Thankfully, that and other audience manipulation tactics worked because wrestling fans are retarded and weren't quite onto all the tricks yet.
Anonymous No.18482629 >>18482698
>>18482507 (OP)
>During his breakout year in 1997 he lost the PWI wrestler of the year award to Dean Malenko
lmao
Anonymous No.18482638
>>18482507 (OP)
After Wrestlemania 13 he went from 2D to 3D and became the main character of the show
Anonymous No.18482639
>>18482507 (OP)
Do you know what a push Is?
Anonymous No.18482641 >>18482698
>>18482507 (OP)
PWI wrestler of the year means literally fucking nothing you retarded mark.
Anonymous No.18482672
>>18482507 (OP)
>Well uhh, at least he was the runner up

Nope, he was third. Behind Mitsuharu Misawa. PWI is a western magazine and they still put Misawa in front of Austin
Anonymous No.18482686 >>18482688
>>18482507 (OP)
That smark rag rates unknown Jap shitters highly, they don't decide what's actually popular.
Anonymous No.18482687
>>18482507 (OP)
It wasnt till around late 98 that he really started to take off and got the mega pops. I went back and watched all of 97-99 shows and even at WM 14 he got a so so reception. By WM 15 he was the Austin we remember in terms of overness
Anonymous No.18482688
>>18482686
>worked
Anonymous No.18482698 >>18482945 >>18484393
>>18482507 (OP)
>>18482629
>>18482641
you people are fucking retarded and don't know your history. it was the PWI 500. not Wrestler of the Year or any PWI Award.
Malenko NEVER won Wrestler of the Year.
he was ranked #1 on the PWI 500 for 1997. Misawa was #2. Austin was #3.
Anonymous No.18482715
>you people are fucking retarded and don't know your history. it was the PWI 500. not Wrestler of the Year or any PWI Award.
>Malenko NEVER won Wrestler of the Year.
>he was ranked #1 on the PWI 500 for 1997. Misawa was #2. Austin was #3.
Anonymous No.18482721 >>18482727
1997 Wrestler Of The Year: Lex Luger (22,754)
1st Runner-Up: Steve Austin (19,928)
2nd Runner-Up: The Undertaker (11,145)
3rd Runner-Up: Diamond Dallas Page (7,046)
Anonymous No.18482725
>>18482507 (OP)
>PWI
Worthless
Anonymous No.18482726 >>18482820
>>18482626
I always preferred the Rock to Austin. He had more natural charisma, larger-than-life presence and never fumbled promos.
Anonymous No.18482727 >>18482884 >>18485047
>>18482721
Why was Hulk Hogan nowhere near the top? That's the real kwab there
Anonymous No.18482733
Anonymous No.18482736 >>18485313
Anonymous No.18482745 >>18485313
Anonymous No.18482808 >>18482920 >>18482937 >>18484095
>>18482507 (OP)
From a booking perspective:
He wasn't the biggest wrestler in '97 until his neck injury made Vince book him in more promo segments while Steve recovered to match-ready status. The crowd already loved him, I acknowledge that, but the main event scene was littered with such talent.
That promo-heavy pop machine finally hitting top gear coincided with the biggest story, Hart-Michaels, culminating into the Screwjob.
It's more like Steve was on the up to the level of Hart and Michaels, and gradually grew to replace them as Michaels lost favour following the Screwjob and then did the job at WM14.

The WWE however are happy to make you think Austin was the best thing since sliced bread the moment he cut that KOTR '96 promo on Jake Roberts.
They like to rewrite history that way.
Anonymous No.18482820 >>18482879
>>18482726
Rock had a bumpy start but I think his rise was a lot more natural.
You can't fake what he had in his prime.
Anonymous No.18482879 >>18482905 >>18482993
>>18482820
Dwayne is the most fake person in existence.
Anonymous No.18482884 >>18482894 >>18485047
>>18482727
>why did smarks hate Hogan
Who knows
Anonymous No.18482894
>>18482884
Lex Luger won it who's a complete shitter and smarks never liked him
Anonymous No.18482905 >>18482928
>>18482879
Dwayne is fake, but the Rock had a real vibe at the time and anyone who doesn't know that is an obvious zoomer who wasn't there.
Anonymous No.18482920
>>18482808
The thing is that Austin was big everywhere, mainly because of one thing, he was the image of people who hated their bosses and wanted to beat the shit out of them, he was the Blue Collar who at that time was more fucked than Jenna Jameson and the the Bellas at italian porn movies, again lets take the period at its time.
>Office Space was in production, people knew of the milton shorts by now and saw themselves as milton.
>Dilbert was a huge fever worldwide because everyone identified themselves with the main 4 of the strip while PHB, Catbert and CEO were the assholes they had to deal on a daily basis at their work.
>Internet was widespread enough so people who never saw WWF would go to a page showing Austin and other wresters, mainly Austin and where the house shows and other stuff would be, Triple H called this out back in 1996 during the Curtain Call in front of Vince and the old Kayfaybe fucks, and he wasn't wrong, Internet also saved WWF.
>Austin's fame at that time led him to speak with no one less than Eric Fogel and MTV who were producing Celebrity Deathmatch at that time, and followed the wrestling fan pages on the internet and Vince let him work for MTV while he was recovering, and it was a success to a point the show got a ton of WWF crossovers, even Vince let himself be killed at that show for fun.
>Also it shown that Austin was a good voice actor too, he had the talent and charisma for it.

Meanwhile at WCW
>Turner was more preoccupied putting NASCAR promos and other shit than reaching the Wrestling fan core as the Fed did, NASCAR was at its boom, but broadcast services were all over the place.
>Goldberg who was in fact manufactured by Turner and Bishoff alongside the streak
>People turning off WCW after Starcade '97, because Turner and Bishoff wanted to milk NWO even more instead of dying there.
>Bret's shenanigans backstage over he not being the top guy there.
It was obvious why the fed won and why Austin got big.
Anonymous No.18482928 >>18482957 >>18483423 >>18484182
>>18482905
>"MUH ATTITUDE ERA VIBE!!"
>"YUOU WERENT THERE!!"
Anonymous No.18482937
>>18482808
Exactly, he beat Yokozuna on the fucking free 4 all, before Summerslam 96. Not even a IC title shot or a ppv match. And don't forget that HHH was the kotr 96 chosen one. Not even Austin.
Anonymous No.18482942 >>18482981
>>18482507 (OP)
Simp Cuckold Seethe Autism was never popular. The fed was piping in cheers his entire run since no one in the audience gave a fuck about this dimeless bald manlet.
Anonymous No.18482945
>>18482698
Bro shut up lmao
Anonymous No.18482957
>>18482928
Whatever zoom-zoom.
Mommy not paying enough attention to you today? Didn't get you those chicken tendies like you asked?
Anonymous No.18482981 >>18482998
>>18482942
this is what zoomers really believe. i was there kid
Anonymous No.18482989
>>18482507 (OP)
>Was Steve Austin's popularity retroactively manufactured?
Yes, he is the only wrestler that Vince put everything he has to make him a mega star for a survival of WWF.
Anonymous No.18482993 >>18483002
>>18482879
Yes, but that was after he become a hollywood blood sucker.
Anonymous No.18482998
>>18482981
>inb4 some zoomer accuses you of being a mark
They really don't know how popular wrestling was back in the day and how serious people took it even knowing it was fake.
They really think wrestling has always just been like it is now.
Anonymous No.18483002
>>18482993
>"blood"
Anonymous No.18483023 >>18483031 >>18483060
I would pose you two scenarios.
If you can just pluck someone from obscurity and make them a star why donโ€™t they do this all the time?
Which wrestling stars are not manufactured by the booking? Who got over without being booked to look good, or at least get enough screen time to show off what theyโ€™re good at?
Anonymous No.18483030
Rovert and bretcuck are shitting this thread is see
Anonymous No.18483031 >>18483397
>>18483023
Zack Ryder
Anonymous No.18483060
>>18483023
>If you can just pluck someone from obscurity and make them a star why donโ€™t they do this all the time?
Internet wasn't as big at the time and wrestling fans weren't in on the tricks they use like we are now.
>Which wrestling stars are not manufactured by the booking? Who got over without being booked to look good, or at least get enough screen time to show off what theyโ€™re good at?
What you are getting at here is correct.
Anonymous No.18483070 >>18483077
>>18482507 (OP)
Imagine being so ignorant of wrestling history that you think Steve Austin's popularity was faked years after the fact. What's next? Hulkamania was never really a thing either? Fucking broccoli heads keep embarrassing yourselves. Stick to your modern floppy shit and womemes slop.
Anonymous No.18483077 >>18483103
>>18483070
I didn't say that, learn to read. I said that Austin was never popular without being carried by Vince McMahon. By 2002 he was back to the midcard feuding with the Big Show
Anonymous No.18483103 >>18483303
>>18483077
>2002
That's a combination of Austin's physical condiyion and Vince want the next gen to lead aka HHH and The Rock. Not to mention his relationship with the company was kind of shit at the time.
Anonymous No.18483214
>>18482507 (OP)
They only reason anyone even gives a flying fuck about wrestling in 2025 is because of Austin and the AE. If the AE didnt happen wrestling would have completely have died out
Anonymous No.18483303
>>18483103
Vince wanted the WWE to be the big brand everyone came to see, so that he could use writers to create stories which athletic actors could then perform.
The idea was that he and the company would stop being completely dependent on talent getting over. They could simply slot in anyone from the roster to play the part, without having to pay someone the right amount of money to do exactly what they want.
Steve Austin was just the first biggest name to look at that practice and say no. He knew it's bad for the product and wouldn't participate in it, especially since a gung-ho rebel who hates his boss and stomps mudholes into people isn't the sort of character who reads scripts and winks at the marks.
That experience with Austin saying no, packing his bags and leaving was for the better however. It showed Vince that he had to hold this change back and let the veterans / legacy talent who are already over from their work in the Attitude Era just do their own promos their own way, the oldfashioned way.
Incidentally as he did apply the new method to new talent, Vince was inadvertently holding new talent back and keeping them from getting over, because they're there telling a scripted story and when the other guy verbally slams them with an ad lib, they have to simply recite the prewritten answer from the script or they get punished by the office.
Anonymous No.18483397 >>18486762
>>18483031
Not over.
Anonymous No.18483411
>>18482507 (OP)
Austin, no. He was more over than Rock and it wasnโ€™t close. That is what they retconned. Stone Cold was the most over any wrestler ever was.
Anonymous No.18483423
>>18482507 (OP)
>retroactively manufactured
What kind of retarded post even is this? All wrestler popularity is manufactured. It's a show. Austin wasn't even huge until closer to 2000 anyway.

>>18482928
South Park had more attitude back then too. Now it's just weed jokes and now Trump (again) with rehashed Saddam jokes. Matt and Trey are too much of pussies to go after Democrats. Makes you wonder who's paying them.
Anonymous No.18483606
>>18482507 (OP)
Go back faggot
Anonymous No.18483975
>>18482545
Based Big Dog McMahon
Anonymous No.18484042 >>18485702 >>18485713 >>18486776
>>18482507 (OP)
Fucking retard, where do you fags crawl out of? Austin is the GOAT for a reason. He was HUGE, the biggest draw of all time, an absolute number 1.

>retroactively manufactured

Kill yourself
Anonymous No.18484055
>>18482507 (OP)
WHAT
Anonymous No.18484065
>>18482507 (OP)
Dean Malenko won because he was the face of 2 to 3 companies in 1997. Don't downplay his successes.
Anonymous No.18484080
>>18482507 (OP)
>but he lost some worthless "award" to a no dimes having jew shitter
tell me you're retarded without telling me you're retarded
Anonymous No.18484095 >>18484900
>>18482808
Dude this is literally an AI post lmao
Anonymous No.18484098
>>18482507 (OP)
I didn't really care about him until he feuded with The Rock, he was mostly an effective heel and those magazines were largely kayfabed.
Anonymous No.18484182
>>18482928
People talk about South Park and wrestling but SP only appeared at its absolute height at the time for like, three weeks and then never again. Why do they suck it off like it had a major impact?
Anonymous No.18484223 >>18484251
This thread is literally insane. I can't tell if this is some discord raid or if people are so low IQ and lacking in sense of self that the fed has managed to gaslight an entire generation.

Austin was never over. He was the original piped in cheers guy. Literally killed every single show when he made his entrance. How the fuck do you let Vince McMahon mind rape you to the point that you believe this bullshit?
Anonymous No.18484251
>>18484223
>This thread is literally insane. I can't tell if this is some discord raid or if people are so low IQ and lacking in sense of self that the fed has managed to gaslight an entire generation.
>Oh, okay. Maybe there was something I missed here...
>Austin was never over. He was the original piped in cheers guy
>Oh. He's a retarded schizo.
Please die already.
Anonymous No.18484349
Stone Cold Steve Austin could lonly exist in that time period the NWO change the game in wrestling to where storylines could be much edgier once Russo came in the family friendly could go down and steve could son bitch people give them the finger and the rock could talk about Poo Tang Pie characters like steve austin already existed with heck saw even jerry lawler it was very similar to steve it's just now he could take it up to 11
Anonymous No.18484393
>>18482698
They're broilin' because you were right
Anonymous No.18484900 >>18485064 >>18485087
>>18484095
AI can't write the spoken word.
It's all textbook with LLMs. They don't do dialect and they can't inna memes or accents.
Anonymous No.18485047
>>18482727
>>18482884

Hogan only had 19 matches that year and was therefore at #55 in the 500. Malenko had 128 matches and Austin had 115. All wrestling magazines pushed Hogan as much as anyone over the years. Different writing style and audience compared newsletters
Anonymous No.18485059
If we're using this smark ranking logic, Austin finished #1 on both 1998 and 1999 PWI 500 while Malenko wasn't in the top 10 for either year
Anonymous No.18485064 >>18485089
>>18484900
They absolutely can. I use Grok a lot to help me with code for my microcontrollers and Grok has started picking up some of my verbal ticks. When it is affirming something is correct it says
>'fraid 'o"
When it needs clarification it says
>Care to extrapolate
Anonymous No.18485087
>>18484900
Kill yourself glowie.
Anonymous No.18485089 >>18485161
>>18485064
Has it already replied with "so you don't know?"
Anonymous No.18485150
He was getting pops but the company was losing money for most of 1997 and Austin was in the main event or close to for most of the year
Anonymous No.18485161
>>18485089
Nah, it's actually really helpful in a lot of ways so it doesn't intentionally try to trip me up like that.
Anonymous No.18485313
>>18482736
>>18482745
those are fun reads.
Anonymous No.18485347
>>18482507 (OP)
It was like everything at that time. His KOTR speech was overlooked by most but a few people were hooked and talked about it at school, then word spread. Also. The increasing amount of 316 signs, kinda cemented it, plus wwf knowing they had something.
Anonymous No.18485395
>>18482626
Nobody was piping in anything, dumb ass. KOTR wasn't a big deal at first, wrestlemania 13 cemented him. The time between, we were trying to wrap our brains around bad guys being good
Anonymous No.18485427
>>18482626
>NOOOOOOO he wasn't popular!!!!! all those 1997 Austin 3:16 shirts were superimposed on fans that actually were wearing savio vega merch!!!!!!!
Anonymous No.18485673 >>18485783 >>18485814
In ANY era when Hogan and austin were in the same company,
>Hogan was the main eventer
>austin was a midcarder

90s WCW:
>Hogan = main eventer
>stunning steve = midcarder

2002 WWE:
>Hogan = main eventer
>stone cold steve = midcarder

That's just an undeniable fact of life because a drunk redneck would never be able to survive the pure power of HulkaMania brother dude jack!
Anonymous No.18485702
>>18484042
Theyโ€™ve been trying to get this gimmick over for a while now. Itโ€™s sad but thatโ€™s /pw/ for ya
Anonymous No.18485713
>>18484042
>an absolute number 1
LMAO
austin wasn't even number 1 in the attitude era. He was The Rock's jannetty.
Anonymous No.18485783 >>18485881 >>18485893
>>18485673
Kek Hogan was a main eventer in 2002 for like a month
Anonymous No.18485796
>>18482507 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You have no idea how good we truly had it, brother.
Anonymous No.18485814 >>18485881
>>18485673
put 1999 Hogan and 1999 Austin in the WWF and Hogan gets BTFO
Anonymous No.18485881 >>18485913
>>18485783
>>18485814
seethe, cope, and dilate
Hogan in 1999 would still go over clean vs austin.
Anonymous No.18485893
>>18485783
>Kek Hogan was a main eventer in 2002 for like a month
so was austin KEK
Anonymous No.18485913
>>18485881
aren't you supposed to be dead terry
Anonymous No.18486762
>>18483397
He was so over that fans were chanting for him during the the Rock's in ring return at survivor series 2011
Now, that was due to internet gimmicks and zack is a shitter, so it was never going to last - but he was over once upon a time.
Anonymous No.18486776
>>18484042
It's a clique of AEW leftists that are mad people love Austin even though he beat his wife. They've been trying to rewrite history on him for half a decade at this point.