Thread 18498151

Is this the most accurate Mt Rushmore?
I agree with The Rock, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold, but the 4th person is debatable. I'm leaning towards John Cena replacing Ric Flair because of the mainstream appeal John has.
Your thoughts?

>>18498151 (OP)
Rock and Hogan are guaranteed there.
Cena is a bigger star than austin ever was.
Fourth guy could be Undercarder for his longevity.

Rock, Hogan, Cena, Carder

>>18498154
Yeah this one is pretty good. Taker definitely deserves a spot.

>>18498154
That's fair.
Non-wrestling fans may not know Stone Cold the way they know The Undertaker for his legendary look.

>Hogan
>Austin
>Rock
>Vince
This is the founding father of modern wrestling and the 4 that laid the foundation. Vince need to be there because there will be no Austin without him and there will be no Rock with Austin. But if you talk about all time US pro-wrestling then Bruno, Andre, Hogan, Flair.

>>18498151 (OP)
Rock
Hogan
Stone cold
Jericho
That’s the definitive be all end all list.
>inb4 some random chinks noones ever heard of or some NWA/AWA boomers that drew 350$ a thousand years ago in the sportatorium or some national guard armory somewhere.
Yea nah Jericho outdrew all those losers combined in 99 alone

>>18498181
Yeah, it's what is the question? Most important to wrestling in US? Most important to what wrestling has become over the last thirty years? Your four favorite wrestlers for any reason?

>>18498154
>Cena is a bigger star than austin ever was.
i would agree with this personally but for the sake of argument it also depends on how you look at it and qualify the rushmore question.
cena is a bigger star and more well known overall, as a general celebrity. but stone cold's legacy and influence just within wrestling is greater than cena's. he was the top guy in the #1 company during the peak of wrestling's cultural relevancy and one of its best financial periods ever. if this is a pure wrestling mt rushmore i feel like he has to go over cena and arguably rock as well.
i think i'd go something like hogan, stone cold, carder, flair.

>>18498151 (OP)
almost perfect, you just need to switch ric with vince.

Why does no one ever include Randy Savage?

>>18498215
Sucks, midget, and Jewish. He’s basically mjf of his era

>>18498187
>Jericho
Fuck no, might as well throw Randy Orton in there if you include Jericho.

>>18498151 (OP)
Hulk Hogan, Vince McMahon, Stone Cold Steve, and HBK

>>18498192
>he was the top guy in the #1 company during the peak of wrestling's cultural relevancy
Rock was the #1 guy in 2000 when pro-wrestling was at its peak. Rock has been a bigger star than austin since 1999.
Austin's legacy is greatly dependent on Vince, Hitman and Rock. And lol, austin was basically Hitman's personal jobber.

>>18498235
Who was on the 7/11 cups in 99 again? Oh that’s right you were born in 2009

>>18498151 (OP)
Rock is for sure first up with Austin as second but I'd replace Flair with Vince. Then it's complete. Those four are the best the product has ever seen. Simple as.
>>18498250
Very true.
>>18498181
This.
>>18498154
Cena and Undertaker are for sure great replacements but I stick with my initial 4. As much as it pains me because I love Taker.

>>18498250
Austin has a shitty luck, the man miss out on the most important perios of wrestling in late '99 - early '00 the most important period of wrestling.

>>18498192
>as a general celebrity. but stone cold's legacy and influence just within wrestling is greater than cena's
No way.
Cena has more big moments than austin.
There's a reason why he is called Big Match John.

Austin:
>WM13 vs Bret
>Trilogy with Rock
>shit match vs HBGay, but Tyson's involvement drew house
>3 Stages of Hell with Gaytch

Other than these austin didn't have any big matches. Cena gave higher number of big matches per year, for 15 years.

PPV buys:
Cena and Rock hold the record for most PPV buys

Merch:
Cena outsold everyone

Video games
Cena made it to more covers than austin

Popularity:
Cena is more popular than austin ever was
Cena stars in A list movies as lead guy while austin only starred in one, as a henchman

>>18498151 (OP)
The most accurate Mt. Rushmore of wrestling is Will Ospreay four times.

>>18498220
Savage is the best wrestler named ITT who isn't Flair

>>18498151 (OP)
Bret Hart is the mountain holding these shitters on his shoulders.

I think the real truth is that there IS no fourth person, because there hasn't been a fourth person who had a genuine impact on modern wrestling as much as Hogan, Rock and Austin did. People can try to debate it but you know it's true. No idea why wrestlers/smarks in particular are hung up on a "mount rushmore" anyway, it's a retarded boomer thing perpetuated by retarded american nationalism. You don't say "top 4". It's either "3", "5" or "10". That's how lists go.

>>18498315
>there hasn't been a fourth person who had a genuine impact on modern wrestling as much as Hogan, Rock and Austin did.
Vince.

>>18498257
Jericho is a tier below the top guys. If you include him, you need to include Orton, Brock Lesnar, HBK and Triple H also - all of whom are above Jericho.

>>18498320
Vince created wrestling, he's the one who sculpted Mount Rushmore. The Mount Rushmore is Rock, Hogan, Austin and Undertaker.

>>18498320
As much as people like to glaze him to a weird degree, Vince did more harm than good. He put out two companies, poached talent, ruined talent, did illegal things to talent, had notoriously shitty booking, just an overall detriment to wrestling as a whole. He was a hack carried by the real potential around him, and deep down, some part of him knew that. That's why he always tried to be chummy and protective with draws like Shawn and Austin and Rock, Brock, etc. Wrestling is built on the stars. Not the promoters.

>>18498310
Technical wrestling doesn’t draw flies to shit in India

>>18498352
Considering that the real Mt.Rushmore has literal war criminals I think this makes Vince the perfect fit.

>>18498363
Well unfortunately that's not the context it's asked in, so save it for a different thread.

>>18498352
>Wrestling is built on the stars. Not the promoters.
Vince is an exception to that because he took wrestling from territories into a nationally televised cultural phenomenon. Stars like Hogan, Austin, etc. wouldn't have had a platform without him. And he was a key ingredient of the Attitude Era as Mr.McMahon.
>yeah what about all that bad stuff he did
Don't care. Only the results matter.

>>18498350
>>18498352
We are not talking about Vince as a promoter and owner but him as "Mr.McMahon" the character, he is the greatest heel in the history of the business. He made Austin as a legendary babyface, make Rock into the main eventer via corporate champion angle, gave Carder giga aura and the list goes on.

>>18498376
Please. All Vince did was backstab promoters, trample on the agreements his father set up, steal talent and did everything he could to sabotage anyone else. Anyone could've done that. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to think him being a nepobaby inheriting a company already worth millions and being a cheating bastard is special.
>>18498377
Now this is actually a topic worth considering. While he's definitely an asset to Austin's character, he was only beneficial to Austin really. Rock was gonna go his own way regardless, he just needed to be a flashy heel. Other than that his character was unnecessarily forced badly into many angles and feuds because Vince thought the character was a draw when it wasn't about 90% of his career. If he had done stuff on the level of his prime Austin feud at least half of his career, then maybe. But it's a hard pass.

>>18498350
>Vince created wrestling

18+

>>18498315
El Santo

>>18498390
You're making Vince sound cool as fuck right now. Like a mobster or something.

>>18498390
>having this much VDS
CRINGE
>All Vince did was backstab promoters, trample on the agreements his father set up, steal talent and did everything he could to sabotage anyone else
They all deserved it. They were just small-minded carnies who didn't have a vision of pro wrestling beyond the territories, but Vince was a visionary carny who wanted to turn it into something bigger than anyone could ever imagine it being. And he did. Wrestling would've never even had stars on a national/global level without the Vincemeister.
>Anyone could've done that.
You're deranged lmao. If Vince isn't special then how come the only man to ever beat him was Eric Bischoff for 83 weeks?

>1985 - 1995
hulk hogan
>1995 - 2005
steve austin
>2005 - 2015
john cena
>2015 - 2025
roman reigns

>>18498428
>>1995 - 2005
>steve austin
LMAO
>Early 90s - jobber in WCW and WWF
>1997 - his best year, carried by Bret
>1998 - finally won the title after HBGay quit
>1999 - absent for 3 months, was jannetty to Rock
>2000 - absent for 8 months, was jannetty to Rock and Hunter
>2001 - shit heel turn, killed the business in Rock's absence
>2002 - became midcarder again, took his ball and went home

>>18498151 (OP)
>Mt Rushmore of wrestling
Hogan during 1984-1998 across WWF and WCW
Bret Hart during 1994-1997 WWF
Rock during 1998-2003 WWF/WWE
Undertaker during 1990-2020 WWF/WWE

Shawn

>>18498151 (OP)
Hogan Austin Bret Vince

>>18498151 (OP)
the problem with stone cold is that his active career is much shorter than the others. Also, his big event matches don't hold up as well as some of the other's did.

>>18498392
He did. The modern incarnation of this sports-entertainment hybrid that became a global sensation is his creation. Kick rocks, AEW/NJPW watching tranny fuck.

>>18498151 (OP)
It’s
>hogan
>bruno
>santo
>inoki or rikidozan

>>18498973
Both Rock and Austin have a very short career at the top but said short career leave more impact than everyone else.

>>18498428
>roman reigns
Worst pick in this thread. Pushed by the company and everyone has already forgotten about him.

It's embarrassing for me to have to educate so many of you...

>>18499045
Except the rock had better main event matches, and his rise to superstardom helped propel the entire wrestling industry forward. Nobody cared about Stone cold outside of wrestling.

>>18499075
I would very much enjoy hearing what the fuck your reasoning would be to include backland over Bruno

>>18499085
>Mount Rushmore of wrestling
>rocks more important because of stuff that’s not wrestling
Another great post right here on the dub

>>18498151 (OP)
Hogan is not up there. He’s down there…in hell.

>>18498187
Jericho marks are delusional and always have to try and include him in everything lol. He has always been the hipsters choice

>>18498978
WTF are those Street Fighter characters or something?

This thread is the equivalent of if \v\ did this and every poster said
>fifa
>cod
>madden
>fifa again
What a retarded board this is.

>>18499086
Backlund rules

>>18499089
>mount rushmore of wrestling
>let's put some showmen there
Austin would get stuck in the ring ropes back in the day, anon.

>>18498151 (OP)
Hulk Hogan
Hollywood Hogan
Terry Bollea
Mr. America

>>18499109
The games mt rushmore is GTA, cod, FIfa, mario

>>18499156
Maybe on planet retard

>>18499095
In Hell for saying a few mean words? Damn, God is brutal lol

>>18498151 (OP)
>I'm leaning towards John Cena replacing Ric Flair because of the mainstream appeal John has
What appeal? Cena's claim to fame is chasing the mainstream audience away. Flair doesn't belong there either.
For me it's Hogan, Savage, Austin and Rock. But you could make an argument for Undertaker over Austin for longevity and recognition factor.

>>18499171
>the Mount Rushmore of wrestling is whoever is known to the most people who don’t watch wrestling.
Deranged take

>>18499162
Nah for committing adultery lol

>>18499171
People don't know Savage outside of the one Spiderman movie.

>>18499179
>>the Mount Rushmore of wrestling is whoever is known to the most people who don’t watch wrestling
Well...yeah, unironically this.

>>18498151 (OP)
>The Rock, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold
Undebatable. The 4th person will always be debatable. I'd probably put Cena just because he feels like top 4 of all time.

To me anyone else like Flair, HBK, Bret, Undertaker, Andre, Roman, Savage, Warrior, Sting, Goldberg..any other big star that isn't those 4 would be in a tier right below the 4 goats.

>>18499188
Zoom harder little zoomie, more people watched and enjoyed the Slim Jim commercials than AEW and modern WWE combined. He was a household name.
Macho along with Hogan is also the archetype of "pro wrestler" in the heads of anyone who actually was alive in the 20th century. The look, the voice, the costumes, everything.

>>18499192
What are you even talking about you donkey. Do you think those four presidents got put on there because Japanese people can name them?

>>18499188
what people, yourself? why are you even in this thread if you don't anything about wrestling?

>>18499192
Chris Benoit, Captain Lou Albano, George the Animal Steele and Haystack Calhoun.
by that logic, that is the Mount Rushmore of wrestling.

Depends on what the Mt Rushmore is for. Most famous wrestlers, best wrestlers or wrestlers most important to the business?

Hogan, Carder, Rock and Cena. They are the most recognizable wrestlers. People who do not watch wrestling know about them.

>>18498151 (OP)
Mt. Rushmore
>Hogan
>Rock
>Cena
>Flair

And then the smaller Rushmore to the right of the main one
>Bret
>Stone Cold
>HBK
>Taker

>>18499240
Swap Flair and Taker and replace Bret and HBK with Triple H and Brock and you are right.

>>18499214
So...3 people less well known than the ones I listed (by a huge margin) and 1 guy only known for a murder/suicide who was way less famous as a wrestler in life. You're not exactly refuting my point retard.
Even with Benoit, a lot of people don't even know him by name, he's just "that one wrestler guy who snapped and killed his family like 20 years ago" to non-wrestling fans.

>>18499221
It's a combination of things. Your impact in wrestling + people who don't watch wrestling knowing about you. People know about Batista from the movies, but he didn't really do much for wrestling, so nobody puts him on their Mt Rushmore.
>>18499227
I agree. People don't really know the old guys like Flair, Bruno and Macho Man.

>>18499276
>your impact on wrestling + people who don’t watch wrestling know about you.
By that logic Chris Benoit has to be on.

>>18499272
not at all. wrong on all counts. embarrassingly wrong.
of the last 30 years only two wrestlers are known to everyone because they were all over the news. Owen Hart and Chris Benoit. anyone who read a newspaper or watched tv heard about them.
the other names I mentioned are not only instantly recognizable but also continuously get name dropped and referenced all the time whether it's Roger Ebert mentioning Haystacks Calhoun in one of his reviews or Seinfeld making reference to George The Animal Steele.

>>18499288
Kill shot

>>18499278
Benoit was never one of the top guys. Don't be silly. He was active when John Cena was taking over and I'd argue Edge and Randy Orton were more popular.

>>18499292
Yeah, self-inflicted.
You really think Seinfeld mentioning George the Animal offhand in one episode means more people know that name than Hogan or Rock?
/pw/ truly is the dumbest board and good god, that is really saying something.

>>18499298
>impact on wrestling
Influenced the junior style when he was in NJPW, first midget to win the WWE title allowing midgets to be pushed to that level, made WWE bring in drug testing by killing his family.
>known to people who don’t watch wrestling
Literally the most known wrestler because he killed his family
By your logic he HAS to be on the Mt Rushmore

>>18499306
You're just trolling now. Bye.

>>18499240
>And then the smaller Rushmore to the right of the main one
Rey Mysterio belongs there.

>>18499303
let me know when Hogan or Rock are in a critically acclaimed and award winning movie with A+ list talent

>>18499310
No I’m proving that your criteria for a mt Rushmore is fucking retarded as are you.

Ancient rushmore
Andre
Bruno
Iron Sheik
Ric Flair

80s rushmore
Hogan
Ultimate Warrior
Macho Man
Piper

Early 90s rushmore
HBK
Bret Hart
Carder
Sting

Late 90s rushmore
Rock
Stone Cold
Mick Foley
Goldberg

Early 00s rushmore
Triple H
Kurt Angle
Edge
Jericho

Late 00s rushmore
Jeff Hardy
Cena
Rey
Batista

10s rushmore
Punk
Brock
Orton
Daniel Bryan

>>18499322
Nobody knows Benoit outside of the wrestling fans, you FUCKING RETARD.
>b-but he was on the news for a few days
Lmao, dumbass.

>>18499325
>iron sheik
LMFAO fuck off

>>18499331
Who else is more famous today? Jimmy Snuka? Billy Graham? Harley Race? Bob Backlund? Pedro Morales?

>>18499328
>news for a few days
LMAO
WWE was investigated by congress literally because of it. He’s the most famous wrestler there is.
Your criteria for Mt Rushmore is that of a child with Down’s syndrome

Blassie
Albano
Andre
Snuka
those are the only 4 that WWE have ALWAYS celebrated throughout their history

>>18498352
This. Everything good that Vince ever did was stolen from the territories, WCW, or ECW. He did bring wrestling to new commercial heights, but he could never have done that without Hogan. What's more, he helped create two major boom periods, but everything else he's done has been shit. In total, he made wrestling mainstream for about 5 years in the 80s and about 4 years in the 90s, but that's all.

>>18499352
>he made wrestling mainstream in the 90’s
WCW did that.

the real LEGENDS
the ones Vince has always respected

>>18499350
He is not famous. Go outside right now and ask people about Benoit. They wouldn't know him over Hogan, The Rock, Cena etc. You're making yourself look like a fucking clown right now, braindead retard.

Big Show, Rey Mysterio and Jeff Hardy are probably more recognizable to people who don't watch wrestling than more accomplished wrestlers like Bret Hart, Chris Jericho and Edge.

>>18499365
>people who don't watch wrestling
aka people not qualified to determine wrestling's mount rushmore
that's like asking us to make a mount rushmore of another sport that we don't watch

>>18499387
which is why The Rock should not be on it and there is no argument for him to be on it. he had 1 year as the top guy in wrestling. there is more of a case for Goldberg than Rock.

>>18499364
What are you talking about? Fame is not a ‘right now’ thing. When it happened it was the biggest story there has ever been in wrestling. Infinitely bigger than hogans death or every single wrestlemania put together. You think like a child.

Rock, Hogan, Austin are the trinity that make wrestling became the norm, these three are far and above everyone else for what they did for the biz, brother! Vincetty can be there just for Mr.Mcmahon gig but every other jabronies has no business there and that included Andre, Bruno, Flair, Bret, HBK, HHH, Cena and many other meme name.

Bret Hart
Misawa
Bret Hart
Misawa

>>18499395
2 years late'99 - early'01 and this is the absolute peak period of wrestling like it or not Austin was never "the guy" of this period, no amount of revisionism can make him one EVER.

>>18499410
Cena belongs there as the 4th guy. The memes made him known to everyone and he didn't need movies to cross over to the mainstream.

>>18499400
>retarded troll still going for the sake of being a le funny contrarian

Hogan and Flair have to be on no matter what
the rest is up to your opinion
but those 2 are locks
Undertaker
Goldberg

>>18499443
I accept your concession. Try and think before you post utter nonsense like ‘it’s based on impact on wrestling + how many people who don’t watch wrestling know about you.

>>18499424
that's not two years. and Triple H was tied for the guy of 2000.
Rock never dominated on his own. he barely rose above HHH in his brief prime.
and he needed Austin to be completely off TV in order to even be seen as the top guy however momentarily. Not a Rushmore candidate by any reasonable metric.

>>18499445
>Hogan and Flair have to be on no matter what
Why Flair over Savage? I have never understood this.
>but muh NWA
who fucking cares

>>18499457
Hi Paul. Didn’t realise you had time to post here.

>>18498151 (OP)
Looks good but you need to replace the Rock with Inoki or Terry Funk. Rock was an astroturfed nepohire whose popularity was both artificially manufactured and short lived. We tend to forget that because Rock was the only coconut nigger with any charisma. Still, he didn't even care about wrestling. As soon as Rock got popular with normies, he immediately fucked off to hollywood and became nothing more than an occasional nostalgia pop. He was very popular but had little real impact.

>>18499454
Exactly and people don't know about Benoit. They saw him on the news for a few days then forgot everything about him. Bye, retard. You lost.

>>18499352
>Everything good that Vince ever did was stolen from the territories, WCW, or ECW.
Except that's wrong. He elevated wrestling in ways that none of those territory shitters even dreamed of. Nobody was combining wrestling with big name celebrities like Cyndi Lauper and Mr. T before Vince did it and his merchandising machine was the first of its kind. He won because he discarded the old territory formula and created his own. And yeah he did selectively steal from WCW and ECW but that's what great artists do.
>he could never have done that without Hogan
Vince wasn't famous because of Hogan. Hogan was famous because of Vince.

>>18499457
With that logic Austin was never dominated '97-'99 as well because Vince and Carder were the top heel. When people think of 2nd half of attitude, they think of The Rock not HHH. The Rock was huge and in a world wide scale not just US, many considered him as Hogan's successor for a reason.

>>18499467
Dwayne is more relevant than Inoki and Terry Funk ever were and he had more of an impact on pro wrestling than they ever did.

>>18499470
>great artists steal ideas from others
LOL. vincetty would have been nothing more than a territory promoter himself without the hulkster.

>>18499480
So a guy who was on top for a couple years had more impact than the father of puroresu and the father of all hardcore wrestling? Retarded.

>>18499499
Yes, because aside from autismo like us no body fucking care about those sub genre, you moron.

>>18499499
NTA but um...yes?
You retards can't have it both ways, you can't do the usual edgy contrarian hipster "POPULAR THING BAD" 4chan routine and also have Rushmore discussion in good faith, because that's the whole point of it.
Inoki is at least in the conversation internationally, but Funk? No. Not even close.

>>18498151 (OP)
Kenny Omega
Will Ospreay
Kazuchika Okada
Hangman Adam Page

>>18499475
>many considered him as Hogan's successor
and then what happened? he wasn't Hogan's successor.
if Hogan had a successor (and he never really did, success-wise or impact-wise), it was Austin.
Rock had everything handed to him on a silver platter, every opportunity made available to him, and he dropped the ball.
he didn't get in an accident like Magnum TA or get stabbed like Bruiser Brody, he just fucked off because he found something else he wanted to do besides wrestling. And you want to put him on Mount Rushmore. fuck that.

>>18499356
that's true, vince doesn't even deserve full credit for the 90s boom because wcw had just as much to do with it, if not more.

Chris benoit 4 times

>>18499487
>great artists steal ideas from others
Correct. Are you so third world and brown that you've never heard the famous saying "good artists borrow but great artists steal"?
>vincetty would have been nothing more than a territory promoter himself without the hulkster.
Incorrect. The Hulkster would've spent his whole career floating around the territories accomplishing fucking nothing without Vince plucking him from mediocrity, giving him the ultimate 1980's babyface gimmick, making him the main character of WWF.

>>18499508
people stopped caring about the rock a long time ago, that's why his shitty energy drink flopped lol. that and the fact that it tasted like shit.

>>18499499
>So a guy who was on top for a couple years had more impact than the father of puroresu and the father of all hardcore wrestling?
Yes.

>>18499508
>what’s the Mr Rushmore of the wrestling I’ve watched
Pretty much sums up this thread.

>>18499535
Oh wow, so I guess this means Terry Funk is magically bigger now lolol

>>18499508
So it's only about normies in one country recognizing your name and nothing else? If that's the case, Benoit should be on there.

>>18499542
Again, the best answers are the ones from the wrestling that everyone has watched.
That's the whole point.

>>18499551
>i am everyone
I think you are shoot autistic tbqh

>>18499487
>LOL
What's so funny? You don't think so? Guess you don't like Hogan either then since he stole pretty much everything from Billy Graham.

>>18499543
Terry Funk has always been more historically important than Dwayne Johnson.

>>18499521
>you wanted to push him on Mt Rushmoor
Not that I want to but no body else quality for it, Rock along with Hogan and Austin are far and above everyone. I mean if you don't lie to yourself who else would you put there? Flair? Taker? Cena? You can shoe horn a legendary figure like Lou Thez, Bruno, Andre in there but that's it, we all know what's up.

>>18499532
LOL you are retarded. Hogan was already a big deal way before vincetty hired him. Without all that HELP FROM THE JEWS, Vince would have been another territory promoter bowing down at the feet of the NWA comissioner, begging for them to make Flair or Race visit their dimeless territory.

>>18499521
There's literally no reason why The Rock shouldn't be on Mt. Rushmore. You're just mad because he was only around for a few years and you're acting like a jilted lover bitch about it. Very feminine behavior to be honest.

>>18499554
I've been combatting rampant autism throughout this thread anon.
>>18499556
For who?

Lou Thesz, Big Daddy, Rikidozan & Gorgeous George

>>18499539
then you're an idiot normie and should return to reddit lol

>>18499551
what you mean is
>nooooo you can only pick wrestlers i've watched reeeeeeeee
>>18499556
this

This thread is funny because in 100 years no one will know who any of these people are but North Korea will still be teaching Rikidozan in their school curriculum as they have been doing since he died.

>>18499585
>North Korea will still be teaching Rikidozan in their school curriculum as they have been doing since he died.
Based Big Leader Kim.

>>18499585
they will also tell the kids about THE highest attendance in the history of all wrestling, which was drawn by Ric Flair and Antonio Inoki. That's right fags, you'll never ever top the GOATs no matter how hard you try.

>>18498151 (OP)
dwayne and austin don't even rate compared to Flair and Hogan holy shit get out of here kek

>>18499460
Savage was always in Hogan's shadow, in WWE and WCW. He never stood on his own, and never moved the needle without Hogan. Same reason why nobody takes Ultimate Warrior seriously as a GOAT contender, or someone like Lex Luger. You can hand them every accolade and title you want but they will always be the top guy's little buddy.

Flair, Funk, Race, Sammartino, Backlund would all be ahead of Savage.

>>18499599
and second highest, Scott Norton vs Shinya Hashimoto
Mt Rushmore technically is Norton, Hashimoto, Flair and Inoki.
whether we like it or not

>>18499556
Terry Funk isn't historically important at all. He's known as that old guy who became a meme by being a based retard and wrestling way beyond the time he should have retired. The only thing of note he did was help inspire Mick Foley and then Mick retired and there hasn't been a relevant hardcore wrestler since.

>>18499555
you've never actually watched/listened to superstar billy graham have you? Hogan borrowed a few elements of his look but that's all. Also the things he borrowed were very generic things like sunglasses and a moustache.

>>18499581
>tell you exactly what I mean
>no what you really mean is this lolol
This is why there's no point interacting with retards who argue in bad faith. But if you're not a wrestler who EVERYONE has watched (both wrestling nerds AND normies), you shouldn't even be in contention, no. Exactly.
Imagine if you retards used your autistic arguments here for the real Mt. Rushmore.
>man fuck these normie presidents, why should they be on there just because everyone knows them and their historical significance?!
>why isn't Martin Van Buren on there??!
He was mentioned in a Seinfeld episode once too after all, and someone here unironically tried using that as an argument for George the Animal Steele before.

>>18499620
He took his entire act right down to the way he talks. He just changed jack to brother and it took him a few years to do that.
When he turned heel, he stole his beard from him and then stole his feather boas as well.

>>18499610
>You can hand them every accolade and title you want but they will always be the top guy's little buddy.
Sure, but this would equally apply then for Rock next to Austin (in wrestling and at the time, not his later movie stardom). The exception was in 2000, which Austin was out for.
Savage never moved the needle without Hogan because he was never in a position to do so. Wherever and whenever he was there, Hogan was too. If anything this just shows why he should be on Rushmore. They were almost a package deal in the 80s and 90s. No one knew Hogan without knowing Savage too. It's not like Hogan was fighting himself in an empty ring all those years.

>>18499619
hardcore wrestling is the only thing that saved vince's ass back when wcw was kicking it every week. just like always, some jew was there to bail vince out when he needed it. just because wwe doesn't do hardcore anymore doesn't mean it's irrelevant. it remains a major force and terry funk started it all.

>>18499623
If you are basing it on who people know then the actual Mt Rushmore should be trump, Biden, Obama and Bush

>>18499623
>EVERYONE
there are no wrestlers that literally EVERYONE has watched, I bet I could go to some remote jungle and find people who haven't even heard of the Hulkster.

>>18499645
>people only know the last 4 presidents
>conveniently the only 4 I've been alive for
Zoom harder lil bro

>>18499638
I don't consider The Rock as a GOAT contender either, for exactly the reasons you noted. Savage was never at the top alone, and The Rock arguably only stood at the peak of the wrestling world for less than a year... and only because others were injured.

The Rock is more successful and famous than most wrestlers in history but not because of wrestling. He's more famous for Black Adam than he is for wrestling. This is a Mt. Rushmore for wrestling not a Mt. Rushmore for film.

>>18499633
lol billy graham talked like a straight up homo, while hogan had the most iconic wrestler voice ever.

>>18499651
>I bet I could go to some remote jungle and find people who haven't even heard of the Hulkster.
I bet you you couldn't brother.
But if they haven't heard of Hulk, they sure as fuck haven't heard of Benoit, Inoki, Terry Funk or any of your other autistic nominations.

>>18499663
I don't necessarily agree but I can respect the consistency of your logic.

>>18499659
If you asked most people to name a president they would say at least two of those before they got to Lincoln or Washington and all of them before they got to all four on the mountain. In fact I can bet you a large amount of Americans and pretty much 99% of the worlds population couldn’t tell you which four are on the actual mt Rushmore.

>>18499670
normie recognition should not be the yardstick, normies are fucking stupid and always were.

>>18499644
>it remains a major force
lol no it doesn't. Hardcore wrestling these days is barely above backyard wrestling status. It isn't even allowed on TV anymore.

>>18498151 (OP)
The truth is not one of them could lace Bret Hart's boots, because nobody could wrestle as good as Bret Hart did and he'd still be the best wrestler in the world right now if it wasn't for Bill Golberg injuring him and that piece of crap Goldberg has never even apologized for it.

>>18499688
>wrestlers don’t use weapons in matches nowadays
Astonishingly retarded take.

Hulk Hogan
El Santo
Rikidozan
Big Daddy

The 4 biggest draws from the 4 biggest places where pro wrestling means something.

>>18499659
This is the EXACT argument people are trying to make as reasons for The Rock or John Cena over more historically important wrestlers like Flair or Funk. "No casuals know these old people!!! They only know the most recent people!!"

Yep... and the vast majority of Americans living today know more about Obama and Trump than Roosevelt and Jefferson. Does that make them better Presidents or simply more famous in the eyes of retards?

Flair > Cena
Funk > The Rock
Rikidozan > Savage
Sammartino > Austin

To argue otherwise is simply a confession of your ignorance and recent bias... or, worse, your boot licking for Hollywood and celebrities

>>18499681
>If you asked most people to name a president
Zoomers aren't people.

Cody, Roman, Punk, and Paul Levesque

They're outdrawing anyone in wrestling history. It's not even a debate

>>18499684
Normie recognition is literally the whole point of this you fucking gigasperg.

>>18499734
kek

>>18499722
flair and funk always sucked. might as well put lawler if you want someone older

>>18499738
Do you think they put those four presidents on the mountain because normies knew who they were?

>>18498279
>video games
What the living fuck does this have to do with pro wrestling? Fucking zoomers shouldn't be allowed to comment on anything until they're old enough to realize the fucking planet and everyone on it was here before they were born and history didn't begin when their parents fucked and the fetus stuck to the wall of the womb. You're not a fucking Big Bang, you glob of cocksucking myopic narcissists. Only reason I'd want to live another 20 years is to see your kids and grandkids call you old and irrelevant, too. Fucking shit generation.

>>18499722
Flair and Funk were active in the same era(s) as Savage, Rock and Austin though, meaning if you knew the first group you also knew the second. Flair and Cena even overlapped as active wrestlers for a time. This is where your analogy crumbles.
Good try though.

>>18499663
My boy, it was very clear that Rock overthrow Austin as "the guy" from late '99 forward and the status never revert back. The man lead WWF and wrestling industry into stratossphere. This is a massive feat and it's not just luck, shit like this require talent. He is the right man in a right place at a right time.

>>18499711
>he thinks using a weapon or two makes a match "hardcore"
Hahahaha. Yeah, your take is astonishingly retarded. The last hardcore match to be nationally televised was Vampiro vs Penta in Lucha Underground. WWE, AEW, and TNA are all afraid to do a real(meaning Funk-tier) hardcore match in the year of our lord 2025. So ultimately all Terry Funk's legacy amounted to is several tiny hardcore indie feds where retards carve each other up in front of a few dozen people for hotdogs.

>>18499729
The metric being proposed in this thread is normie/casual appeal. The more famous a figure is in the broadest of demographics (ie. The general audience) is the de facto "best."

Zoomers are a significant portion of the population, so if you determine success by reaching the broadest of audiences than you MUST cater to zoomers. That's the argument being made to support someone like The Rock over someone like Flair.

>>18499738
that's just your criteria, name recognition doesn't need to be factored in at all. not sure why you think this has "official rules"?

>>18499753
Literally yes?
>NOOOO it's because they had historical significance!!
Yeah exactly...which is exactly WHY normies know who they are. Now you're getting it.

>>18499715
>The 4 biggest draws from the 4 biggest places where pro wrestling means something.
Well shit, can't argue with that. This is the only valid Mt. Rushmore.

>>18499761
What your thinking of there anon is a deathmatch. Hardcore is weapons being used which terry funk helped bring to mainstream wrestling by helping out in ECW when he very much didn’t have to.

>>18499767
>so deep into it he’s now arguing Mt Rushmore was not based on historical significance
Good lord.

>>18499757
>it was very clear that Rock overthrow Austin as "the guy" from late '99 forward and the status never revert back.
True, Rock did start outpopping Austin in late 99, because Austin was overexposed and getting stale. I watched it happen and said as much back then.
But then Austin started outpopping Rock in late 2000 when he was back and now Rock's act was the one getting stale. And got cheered in the act of turning heel for beating Rock's ass. I watched that happen too. Did you?

>>18499156
You don't spell 'Tecmo Super Bowl' with the letters cod or FIFA.

>>18499763
So what do you propose are the criteria then? Yummy Meltzer stars? No retard of course this is about recognition and historical significance.

>>18499786
rock didn't even stay long enough to get stale.

>>18499784
That's literally the exact opposite of what I said you fucking retard. Holy shit you're stupid...connect some dots anon.

>>18499786
>turning heel
Yup, and it went downhill from there, chicken shit heel was the worse thing that could happened to his career. He should go with a cool psychopath heel rather than a chickenshit heel. the same mistake was made with HHH in 2002, the man made a career out of a cool heel act then Vince force him to play a pussy heel, terrible idea.

>>18499801
Great so we have established that Mt Rushmore is based on historical significance and not who can the public name at the specific time it was being built. Let’s apply that logic to the wrestling mt Rushmore.

normies watched Wrestling With Shadows
and there's been more documentaries about Bret Hart than any other wrestler. and probably more books too.
talking about recognition, he's up there. more than you think

>>18499810
BECAUSE they have historical significance, the public CAN name them. It's effectively the same category you god damn retard.

>>18499756
Jimmy Carter was still alive and active in charity during Obama's presidency. Millennials would be aware of Carter but they didn't witness his presidency firsthand, so they wouldn't think much of him. Reagan was alive during Clinton or Bush presidential runs as well. Same argument. Longevity in a field does not mean that the younger audience knows anything. At best they see a tired, worn out husk of a previously great man. If anything, longevity breeds contempt.

Flair moving a new generation to tears in a retirement match against HBK is undone by years of falling on thumbtacks and clumsy blade jobs in TNA. Neither of these periods of faded glory compare to his heyday in the 80's and virtually zero modern fans witnessed either period. To a zoomer wrestling fan Logan Paul means more to wrestling than Ric Flair... or The Rock or Austin

The appeal to the masses is a bad take friend.

>>18499786
>Austin got cheer again
In his home state, his heel run was awful and it drove viewers away in light speed. It was the What? gimmick that make him a huge draw again.

>>18499827
Nope you are suggesting that people know wrestlers because of their historical significance and not because they saw them on the TV. We have established that mt Rushmore is based on historical significance let’s apply that to the wrestling mt Rushmore, shall we?

most famous match: Mankind vs Undertaker
most famous book: Have a Nice Day
most famous documentary: Beyond the Mat
so why the fuck aren't any of you putting Mick Foley on Mt Rushmore
by your own criteria he more than qualifies over everyone else

it's definitely not carder. he just has longevity. he was never the top star anywhere.
between flair and cena, i think flair has the better claim. purely because in 20, 30 years time, flair will be considered a bigger name than cena.

>>18499844
Vince doc is the most famous documentary. Or wrestling with shadows.

>>18499858
which one played in theaters?

>>18499858
which one received an Ebert review? and is in Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide? can you guess?

>>18499861
Doesn’t matter. Vince doc massively outdrew everything from WWE this year including wrestlemania.

heidenreich
d-von dudley
henry godwinn
tajiri

>>18499156
replace fifa with football manager and you're getting closer

>>18499762
I'd sooner go find and fuck Susan Boyle than cater to a g'dam zoomer. Fuck you shitheads. Autism went from 1 in 40k to 1 in 83 births when y'all came along. You're a generation of Sheldons and Comic Book Guys along with wannabe fratrat/sorority bitches. Don't forget 300 lb zoomer bitches who flip off Sydney Sweeney posters. Sydney is the only zoomer who deserves to live.

>>18499896
Promo's good brother, zoomer genocide can't come soon enough.

>>18498151 (OP)
No

>>18499896
I'm glad we agree. My opinion was that an appeal to normies forces you to cater to zoomers, which makes it deeply flawed. Judging a wrestlers worth by saying they're the most famous only suggests that they have more retards amd children that know their name than another wrestler. Nothing more.

The metric should be the measure of a wrestlers contribution to wrestling. Not the number of books they wrote, not their movies, not their ability to prostrate themselves before Hollywood.

>>18498151 (OP)
>Is this the most accurate Mt Rushmore?
no.
>>18498151 (OP)
>I agree with The Rock, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold, but the 4th person is debatable
so you're retarded then. just say that.
>>18498151 (OP)
>I'm leaning towards John Cena replacing Ric Flair because of the mainstream appeal John has
OPEN THE SCHOOLS

>>18498215
He's good but he unfortunately was always second fiddle to Hulk. Same way Bret was great but just was around the most during the timeframe where Hulkamania was too powerful

>>18500018
by that criteria terry funk, bret hart, ric flair and hulk hogan qualify. the rock and john cena do not.

>>18498154
you're officially the biggest idiot and most braindead fan ever

>>18500018
>My opinion was that an appeal to normies forces you to cater to zoomers, which makes it deeply flawed.
Not really, because no one watches wrestling anymore besides a few autists. If anything being popular with today's fans (zoomes) should be a black mark against Rushmore status.
If you look at when wrestling was at its most popular (80's to very early 2000s) then that means the opinions of gen-x, millenials and yes, unironic boomers should count for far more.

>>18500067
Name your legendary roster, pal. Let us witness your mythical figure, hmm?

>>18498151 (OP)
>>18498154
invalid opinion. Flair is locked in. there's no acceptable objection to Flair.
even mentioning Cena or Rock is a joke
and arguing for them over AUSTIN? get the fuck out of here.

If we compare the respective President's accomplishments and contributions to the USA to their wrestling counterparts it becomes quite easy.

>Washington = Lou Thesz
The first great figure in their industry.

>Jefferson = Ric Flair
Worked tirelessly to lay the framework that would provide longevity to the their respective field.

>Abraham Lincoln = Hulk Hogan
The great unifier, established that the world was more than a series of loosely connected territories

>Roosevelt = Hollywood Hogan
Presided over the period in which their home became significantly larger than it ever had. Often was the target of criticism both at the time and in historical recollection because they often took a heavy handed approach to expanding their home but it was necessary brother.

>>18500089
>Pipe in cheers throughout 97-99
>Got boo'd against Kane in '97
>Got boo'd against Foley in '98
>Got boo'd against stale Rock in '99
>Got boo'd against heel HHH in '01-'02
It was Vince feud and the What chant that make him this mythical figure he never was.

>>18500042
Yes, we agree.

Believe it or not there was wrestling from before the 80s, and your list looks like something a stupid mark would put together.
This is the definitive American wrestling Mount Rushmore, you are going to find a lot of variability throughout this list because wrestling history, and all history isn't as simple as "4 guys did it"
Your first spot goes to someone from the Pioneer era, Toots, Lewist, Gotch, Londos, Hackenschmidt.
Then you move to the television era, you could go with the destroyer, Gorgeous George, or even Muchnick.
Then the territory Era, think guys, like Lawler, Gagne, Samartino. Ultimately this spot goes to the territory star of either the location of the mountain or the guy paying for it. And it is understood they're representing being a territorial star and not that they are the best of the territory stars.
Last spot goes to the journeymen, this one is undisputable, one guy who even if you are a lowly mark should be on your rushmore, Terry Funk.
I can already hear you marks whining "what about muh hogan? what about muih rock" to which I say shut your mark ass up. Wrestling was something that came to your town once a week, it catered to and was part of your culture and community. Wrestling now solely exists to give oil rich royal families something to waste money on, and your precious hulkster and Vince BBC lover Mcmahan is what pushed it in that direction.

>>18498151 (OP)
Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, Andre the Giant and Kenny Omega.

Big Daddy
El Santo
Rikidozan
idk has there ever been a relevant wrestler from the US?

>>18500267
Thesz and Blassie - both put wrestling on the map in Japan
Hogan - #1 wrestler of all time in US and Canada

>>18499778
retarded WWE-only fans don't understand distinctions like that. their brains don't grasp anything beyond retarded consolewar spamming.

>>18498151 (OP)
Stone Cold
The Rock
Hogan
LA Knight

>>18498154
>Cena is a bigger star than austin ever was.
LOL. LMAO even. Cena was hated for most of his career and only now he's getting pity points because he's retiring. He's not a star and never was.

>>18498279
>Big Match John
Literally nobody calls that overpushed fraud that lmao.

>>18498431
>Hunter
KEK

>>18499325
20s rushmore
roman reigns
logan paul
will ospreay
rhea ripley

>>18500267
>>18500372
Gorgeous George

>>18500676
Based knower.

>>18498414
>me when I'm retarded
>>18498417
You're a bit stupid aren't you?

>>18498151 (OP)
Scott Steiner his freaks and his peaks

>>18500633
Lmfao who is will and rhea get outta here. Logan has a ways to go.

What's that shitter Flair doing up there? Replace him with Shawn or Bret

Everyone puts Rock on there because he became a famous movie star which has nothing to do with wrestling.

>>18498154
Cena was hated by half the audience during even his prime, and ratings went in the toilet when Cena was the guy. Austin legitimately saved WWF and put Raw back on top of WCW. And Austin was a bigger pop culture icon and beloved by the entire audience.

tl;dr - Cena sucks

>>18500929
No, The Rock was beloved as a wrestler for his charisma. People don't even like his movies.

>>18498154
>Rock is guaranteed there.
why? how did he change wrestling? he was hardly around
>>18500089
>Flair is locked in. there's no acceptable objection to Flair.
why? what are we basing this monument on? popularity in wrestling circles or in the mainstream? drawing power? seems like people just name anybody. for instance, why not andre the giant?

Diesel
Oz
Vinnie Vegas
Kevin R. Nash

>>18501071
Flair was the last and best of the old territory champions, he's one of those guys who helped to take the showmanship aspect to a higher level and made the entire business better as a result. And he did headline the highest drawing show of all time too.

>>18498192
nashposting aside, this is a good post

>>18501511
i certainly know who flair is but im confused as to what the criteria is to be put on this mt rushmore. like i said what about andre? he crossed over into the mainstream and headlined mania 3. what about bruno sammartino? verne gagne? people only want to put their favorites on this mt rushmore, did bruno draw more than flair? what about roddy piper? he was massively popular for years

>>18501647
Flair is still over. People still know who Flair is and still talk about him. Black people fucking love Flair. You ask an NFL player who their favorite wrestler is 7/10 are going to say the NATURE BOY!!!

>>18498211
was this made with 1.5?

>>18501071
>why? how did he change wrestling? he was hardly around
he was a huge draw in both ratings and merchandise at the peak of wrestling history. he had great presence and good at shit talking. he always got huge pops.

>>18501702
>just getting huge pops gets you on Mount Rushmore
Where are the Road Warriors?

>>18501702
>he was a huge draw
was he? he was part of a tv show that drew decent ratings
>but he was a part of a huge segment
but so was mankind. lots of people back then contributed to the shows popularity. the rock wasnt a huge draw and his career was extremely short
>>18501711
>Where are the Road Warriors?
exactly! they were massively ppular for the first 10yrs of their career. and for that matter where is the ultimate warrior? he was over and sold more merch compared to the rock

>>18501663
>Flair is still over. People still know who Flair is and still talk about him.
doubtful. every time he returned over the years from the early 90s onward, he never popped a big rating or drew a large audience to any arena

My Mount Rushmore Is Gorgeous George,Superstar,Bruno and Andre

>>18498151 (OP)
Hogan, Andre, Taker, Vince. Just my opinion

>>18498151 (OP)
dylan
dylan
dylan
dylan

>>18501841
>exactly! they were massively ppular for the first 10yrs of their career. and for that matter where is the ultimate warrior? he was over and sold more merch compared to the rock
The Rock is a bigger star, simple as that. Ultimate Warrior was only great thanks to Hulk and fell off the map when he didn't have matches with him anymore.

>>18501841
>was he?
you weren't there and this statement proves it.

>Londos
>Thesz
>Hogan
>HBK

These are the people who invented modern wrestling.

The champs are here

>>18502723
based

>>18498154
Cena is more famous than Austin easily. I don't know about a bigger star if you talk wrestling ratings and being a draw

>>18504213
headcanon

>Dr. Jerry Graham
Vince's favorite wrestler. Vince based his entire personal and professional persona on Dr. Jerry Graham. Without Dr. Jerry Graham there is no Mr. McMahon.
>Superstar Billy Graham
Developed the formula that lead to stars. The direct inspiration of Hulk Hogan among countless others.
>Eddie Graham
Developed modern booking. The progenitor of every surviving school of thought on booking, building heat, and popping crowds.

>>18502906
>The Rock is a bigger star, simple as that.
nope
>Ultimate Warrior was only great thanks to Hulk and fell off the map when he
got into an argument with vince over money. the ultimate is the only wrestler to pin the hulkster clean for the title. vince loved the ultimate warrior until the argument over money happened. the warrior was way more popular than the rock and sold way more merchandise over the years

>>18504491
>Ultimate Warriors
He is The GOAT just for the fact that he no sell pedigree and force Paul to jobbed to him like a clown, lmao.

>>18498151 (OP)
Should be called Mt Hogan

>>18498160
I feel like more wrestling non-fans know who stone cold is. I can mention him on random and normies up to elder zoomers will vaguely know who I mean. If they don't, I can replace him with Jon Cena and they'll know.

>>18498160
Austin are more well known to normie than Cena, Carder, and HHH, you fucking dork. People don't talk about him as much because he was officially retire since 2003.

>>18504756
Than Paul. Not more than Cena and Taker by a long shot. It's Gen Z's turn of the wheel now, chud

>>18504625
>sid vicious
he is another guy people are forgetting about. he was over even before he ever got the the wwf and got cheered over hogan during his first rumble appearance. they had to edit out all the people going crazy for him during reruns. he was hella over for 10yrs straight until his leg broke and he retired

>>18500903
he was always no2

>>18498151 (OP)
I think you gotta replace rock with taker

>>18507048
>you gotta replace rock
dont know why some people think he was some huge game changing wrestling star. he had a short career and couldnt wrestle at all

>>18507048
>>18507060
Seethe

>>18507071
Manchild faggot.

>>18504785
Trvke.
People may even know Triple H more now because he's the boss.
>>18507048
>>18507060
The Rock was the peak of Attitude Era. People will never forget him.

>>18507076
Now, you're fuming.

>Hogan
The greatest draw of all time
>Rock
The greatest draw of the 2000s
>Taker
Longevity and retired on a high note
>HBK
Greatest in ring worker of all time

>>18507167
>HBK
The GOAT would like to have a word.

>>18507167
>hbk
>greatest in ring worker of all time.
So funny that in the 90s everyone said what they say about osprey and the bucks about this guy and now WWE fans have been taught to suck him off as ‘the best wrestler ever’

>>18507167
weird how you typo'd "HBK" for "kenny omega." those letters aren't even in the same area of the keyboard

>>18507170
>>18507171
>>18507174
Your vanilla shitters couldn't make a 61 year old Vince look like Mr Perfect in the ring

>>18507181
>hardcore spotfest match
>look like Mr perfect
Jej

>>18507111
>The Rock was the peak of Attitude Era. People will never forget him.
nothing memorable about him. he couldnt wrestle and all he did was have some writer write the dumbest shit for him to say and none of it was funny or any good at all. thats why his returns have mostly flopped. he just never was anything more than a player in a game

>>18507190
>his returns have flopped
>highest WWE PPV buy rate in history
Oh dear

>>18507190
Big Kev? Is that you?

>>18507195
Oh, I guess the rest of his argument is invalid then. You win, then? Idk.

>>18498151 (OP)
Ric Flair is basically in the same tier as Randy Orton at this point.

>>18507199
Yep that’s how it works.

>>18507202
>comparing the stylin profilin limousine riding jet flyin kiss stealin wheelin n dealin son of a gun to le viper

>>18507195
also the rocks movie career is one of the worst ever. everything they tried to have him be the lead in flopped. the only success hes had is leeching of other franchises. here is the 6'5 rock getting height mogged by a 70yr old michael knight

>>18507198
explain to me what the rock did that put him on another level?

>>18507220
Don't answer my question with another question. Who are you? Wolfie or Big Sexy?

My personal Rushmore
>Hogan
>Austin
>Piper
>Hall

Mt. Crackpipe
Jake Roberts
Perry Saturn
Davey Boy Smith
Jim Neidhart

>>18507171
I hate Ospreay and the Bucks tremendously, and I'm almost not a huge fan of HBK because he is clearly a massive influence on them. Was always more of a Bret guy. Way better in the ring, more believable.

WWE's Rushmore is

Andre
Hogan
Austin
Rock

maybe you could argue Cena over Rock. But Cena's time on top was some of the worst business WWE had ever done so I think that's retarded. I could see Undertaker over Rock before Cena, personally.

>>18507492
Exactly my point. You know people used to say Harley race was terrible because if you actually did a diving knee drop you would kill people and it wouldn’t look believable. There were also people who said Lou thez wasn’t believable because he did a body slam unlike 20’s wrestlers who just did rest holds for 3 hours. It never changes. In 20 years people will be talking about how great osprey was and how terrible the current best wrestlers are.

>>18507509
no, ospreay is trash. nice try though

>>18507509
In 20 years I’ll be in a nursing home still telling everyone how gay Ospreay was.

>>18507543
Exactly what people said about HBK in the 90s and Jeff hardy in the 00’s.
In b4
>but I always liked Jeff hardy
You have shoot autism if you post that.

>>18507550
what's your point?

>>18507550
This shit was gay then and it’s gay now. The popularity of HBK has been overblown.

>>18507585
Maybe try reading the thread.

>>18507509
if ospreay ever goes to WWE people will eventually talk about him like they do HBK - hell, if he goes to WWE all of his detractors will become fans overnight. if he doesn't then i'm less sure. in north american wrestling the narrative is dictated by WWE.

>>18507602
i did. you're saying hbgay and jeff hardgay being gay in the 90s and 00s makes it ok for ospreay to be gay now
>>18507692
yeah they're both gay overrated faggots admired by faggots like yourself

>>18507509
calling submissions rest holds just shows how little you know about wrestling

>>18507741
Nice to see you here on the dub Randy

>>18507722
I’m saying that people who watched wrestling for years didn’t like them and the younger fanbase thought they were awesome and years later they were universally accepted as great wrestlers who inspired the next generation to want to be wrestlers which is what will happen to osprey.

You might not like the answer but it's true... it's damn true.

>>18507761
I agree that wrestling will get even worse in the future. Wrestling keeps worse with each decade.

>>18507787
Why are you even watching it then you dumb retard.

>>18507793
Acknowledging that something is declining in quality doesn't mean it's completely unwatchable... yet.

If you don't see the quality falling then you're either underage or have poor taste.

>>18507865
I enjoy CMLL much more than anything I’ve seen for a while. Maybe less doomposting and more watching

>>18507793
"i don't watch new wrestling because it sucks now, i just watch older wrestling"
"ahhhh how can you say its bad when you don't even watch!!!"

"tried watching it again, it still sucks"
"ahhhh but if its so bad why were you watching it, idiot!!!"

>>18498211
kek desu Hogan probably should take two spots though. Hollywood and Hulk

Bruiser Brody
King Kong Brody
Red River Jack
Frank Goodish

>>18507874
I was speaking in general terms about the industry as a whole... but, yes, there are many individual feds worth watching right now.

CMLL is fun, if a little repetitive. It's always nice to see the respect shown to the older guys on the roster and I'll watch anything with Hechicero and Mascara Dorada. I'm keeping an eye on Xelhua.

All Japan has finally woken up again, if they put things on the right track soon (take the belt off that goober Saito), and set up some top heels they could really have something. Hideki Suzuki is always interesting, Yuma Anzai should be healthy soon and I'll never give up on Ashino!

NOAH is working on something with Team 2000X and KENTA's reign. Hopefully, OZAWA has more tricks up his sleeve. Soya needs a rocket-push ASAP. At least Kitamiya seems like he might get the push he's needed.

DragonGate is interesting. GLEAT is sinking, a shame because it was a decent BattleArts style fed. Nakajima taking a stranglehold to their title scene will hopefully payoff... doubt it, and I love Nakajima. NJPW is in a really bad state right now, they're poised to unleash a new era after repeated and frustrating setbacks... but they don't want to push the talent that connects with the audience. The fans want Uemura & Oiwa but the booker wants Tsuji & Shota. Keep pushing the wrong people and they'll only sink further. Sanada didn't work, EVIL didn't, Sabre didn't... Goto was a brief respite but they're just lost. WWE has way too many women's matches, way too many worn out faded nobodies like Rollins on the roster. AEW is lame and indulges in the worst self-indulgent booking. How they turned Mox from red hot to go-away is beyond me. Too many egos and Khan is a pussy. The US indie scene is in a bad state... DPW is the only thing worth watching. Japanese indy scene is cool, Tenryu Project has some strong juniors. The Astronauts are amazing wherever they roam, Hikaru Sato too.

There's good and bad, but the bigger scene seems stagnant at best.