Thread 18536361

Why do so many joshi want to be in AEW?

>>18536361 (OP)
Kenny.

kenny

kenny

for the check

>>18536361 (OP)
Money. And the hopes of finding a white bf, which is what all Asian ladies crave especially the ones that pretend otherwise.

>>18536395
Poppin' out hapas is every Asian woman's dream

>>18536366
>>18536371
>>18536375
https://x.com/we_are_stardom/status/1775962383535550886
the allure of kenny omega

>>18536401
goddamn that cat loves bread so much

>>18536361 (OP)
Kenny Bi God Omega

>>18536361 (OP)
They know they can't make it in the big leagues

>>18536361 (OP)
Someone high up at AEW must be lying to the Japanese side.
Japan must think that AEW is some massive and prestigious place to be when it gets sub 600K viewers and quarter-full arenas.

>>18536361 (OP)
By "so many", I think you mean "maybe 2"

They'd get neutered in the fed

>>18537203
Tony isn't broke like most jap promotions

>>18537217
Yeah, but he played a part in the Japanese scene dying.

>>18536401
Kitto fatmaxing again? Lovely

>>18536361 (OP)
>Why are wrestlers in this company that's been partnered with AEW having such an easy time working with AEW?

>>18536361 (OP)
Shitter and Rihooooooole told all of them they could aspire to getting a six figure salary to sit in catering like Emi Sakura.

>>18537203
how many viewers do you think stardom gets?

>>18537295
Stardom has more prestige and value than AEW. It's actually profitable and respected. They're doing record numbers.
Why leave that to go to catering in AEW where every name except Cody has been devalued?

>>18537295
How many viewers do you think AEW gets in Japan where, you know, these women were born, live, and have their lives and practically everyone they know and love?
Some of y'all act like upping and leaving to live in a foreign country is something just anyone can do if offered the opportunity. It isn't, it's a massive, scary life change that not everyone's looking to make, even for massive amounts of money and fame.
And certainly not for the company that only draws 600K viewers.

>>18537317
>Stardom has more prestige and value than AEW.
NTA - I don't know if that's true, but compared to its women's division absolutely.
Stardom is the name of the game for women's wrestling outside WWE right now.

WWE is full rn where as Tony has room for a joshi or two. That said they'd just job to Mercedes so it'd be a poor move.

>>18537335
AEW isn't even a draw in Japan. Just look at Wrestle Dynasty. 16K in the Dome.
>>18537345
>outside WWE
Stardom's women are better than WWE's on average. WWE's best worker made her name in Stardom.

>>18536361 (OP)
>Why do so many joshi want to be in AEW?
Because WWE's not hiring at the moment.

>>18537360
Those were both me - I'm pro-Stardom in this argument, you don't have to convince me.

>>18537360
>>18537373
I'll add, however, that WWE's women division has more prestige despite not being as good as Stardom because, for better or for worse, it's WWE and WWE is just the name of the game.
But I'll personally take Stardom any day.

>>18537385
WWE's women's division is recovering from an eternity of garbage booking. It does have some great names who can go, but it they don't match the talent in Japan.
Look at Marigold's rookies. Seri and Shinno absolutely shit on the girls in NXT. They're just made differently.

desu AEW only ever manages to get the ugly joshi. Yuka and Maki got ugly after they went there, too.

>>18537402
>desu AEW only ever manages to get the ugly joshi.
u think mina is ugly?

>>18537416
she's old

>>18537451
true that's fair

>>18537400
Yeah, I don't even watch WWE, I'm just speaking in terms of industry prestige.
WWE will be at the top for men and women regardless of the state of the company. But it doesn't do it for me. I've been spreading word of Stardom for a while and I quite enjoy Marigold even though it's a bit rough around the edges still. Seri and Shinno have great potential, and I think Yuka is going to shine brightly as well.

>>18537583
I think WWE is the biggest because every other company is ran either by amateurs or retards.
NJPW wasn't the biggest promotion, but it undoubtedly was the best. From 2015-2022 it couldn't be denied.
Then Bushiroad partnered with AEW, lost a ton of its stars, started catering exclusively to AEW's audience, lost their home crowd, and now I genuinely doubt that it'll recover.

>>18537400
>Seri and Shinno
Yeah they had the MOTY last month against Abu Zago and Babu Frikk in Kouraken but nobody gives a fuck cause it wasn't in WWE

>>18537317
Didn't some joshi literally admit or recently admitted in interview she made more in AEW than she ever did at Stardom?

>>18537335
>Some of y'all act like upping and leaving to live in a foreign country is something just anyone can do if offered the opportunity. It isn't, it's a massive, scary life change that not everyone's looking to make, even for massive amounts of money and fame.
Nah you're just ap pussy, people do this all the time all over the world just to maki minimal wage in whatever country they're going to.

>>18536361 (OP)
because they were rejected by wwe

>>18537662
Of course she did. Khan is a retard who overspends and outbids purely to say he got something.
He does what I do on Ebay. People are bidding in pennies and I increase by dollars.
For the Wig, he spent $15,000,000, and gave her her own writer and locker room. And he never got a return.

Oh, and Io and Kairi actually took pay cuts to work in WWE.

Kenny struck out of every joshi he actually wanted. They literally get leftovers and they don’t even book them

Riho bragged in a Japanese interview that in 2023 AEW paid her half a million US dollars for ten appearances

>>18537635
No, WWE is the biggest because it's cultivated the largest die hard fanbase over the past 20 years after consolidating both fanbases from the Monday Night Wars.
It was the biggest company in the country where pro-wrestling was easily the biggest deal. Pretty much the only name in the game as far as most fans in that country were concerned - if you wanted to watch pro-wrestling, you had to watch WWE.
Throw in capital from being listed on the New York Stock Exchange and strong marketing game with heavy advertising and you've got a juggernaut. It has more resources to advertise, to acquire new talent, to promote public relations, etc.
That's why it's the biggest and most prestigious. And it will remain so unless it makes some major mistakes; it doesn't really matter how good the competition is so long as it's successful in retaining its existing fan base.

When is the last time a joshi was on Dynamite

>>18537699
So you admit AEW is more profitable for wrestlers.

>>18537677
The top carders that Tony would be interested in are already probably making pretty decent money with Stardom, enough where they wouldn't need to go overseas to make ends meet.
They'd make more with Tony but saying that it would necessarily be enough to convince them to upend their lives when they're already doing okay is kind of silly, especially when they're already wrestling for a company that's a bigger name in women's wrestling.

>>18536361 (OP)
love syuri

>>18537722
WWE's appeal declined heavily between the 00s and late 2010s. That's partly why AEW was able to gain so much momentum early on. They got too arrogant.
They made a bunch of great business moves and are entirely self-sustaining.
AEW just doesn't work and NJPW is in its current state because of incompetence.

>>18537699
Io and Kairi were first signed over 8 years ago pre AEW and on regular NXT contracts. Completely irrelevant to the current market

>>18537737
You get a good payday when you sign, then your value decreases.

>>18537782
Quick question: what's a better payment, 50,000 a year or 600,000 for 2 years?

>>18537704
Even when the joshi were actually getting booked and Kenny had a say, he fucked up not going after the one that literally majored in English and speaks the language perfectly

>>18537782
aka Kamille

>>18537772
They were making great money in Stardom at that time. Io was the Ace. Kairi was right on her heels and arguably more popular.

>>18537806
Obviously 600K.
But you only get that once, then your value decreases.
Do you seriously think that WWE will pay the Wig millions when she has shown that she isn't a draw or a star?

>>18537766
It declined heavily, yes, but it's absolutely remained the biggest name in the game. That's indisputable. Meanwhile, it's finances are stronger than AEW's (yes, Shad Khan might roughly be worth as much as WWE but Shad has a variety of interests with only a portion devoted to AEW while, meanwhile, WWE is an entire corporation devoted to pro-wrestling).
AEW is a poorly operated newcomer and NJPW was nearly killed dead by the pandemic. They are in tough positions to even compete with what WWE has. I don't think NJPW is incompetent, personally - the financial hit it took not being able to put on big shows in 2020 and 2021 can't be overstated. It wasn't going to be able to afford Okada or a lot of its western workers anymore and was probably happy to be able to drop them from the budget. Remember, New Japan isn't like Western companies because it draws most of its profits from the gates at shows, not TV.
Stardom is just smaller because it's smaller, I think Okada has done great as president so far. It was mismanaged prior to his tenure, however.

>>18537836
Anyone unironically worrying about the pay of someone else that isn't someone close to them is a faggot. They're grown adults. They have autonomy and responsibility for their own choices. If they get a big paycheck and they don't do anything with it and wind up crawling back to the indies or a local major promotion again, I'd call them a fucking idiot. You build value with business endeavors, and that requires money. Takes money to make money. It's basic fucking sense.

>>18537890
I don't think that the pandemic hit NJPW as hard as the internet says. NOAH, AJPW, shit, even RIZIN MMA did well throughout Covid and recovered in no time.
NJPW struggled because Bushiroad is inept and they allow AEW to treat them like developmental. Bushiroad is a massive brand worth an insane amount of money, cash isn't the issue. Idiocy is.
Think about it. They've got more foreigners signed to NJPW than actual Japanese. Bushiroad can afford to bring Mercedes Mone in and have her steal the spotlight from Kairi and Tam, they can sign a who's who of who? Generic CAW gaijin but refuse to give their biggest draw the money he deserves.
That's why they're in the state they're in. Bushiroad is fucking retarded.
Stardom was also already the biggest name in women's wrestling long before Bushiroad came along. Under Bushiroad, and after Ogawa was fired, they haven't produced a single star. While again, Ogawa has Seri and Shinno.

>>18537983
>You build value with business endeavors, and that requires money. Takes money to make money. It's basic fucking sense.
AEW hasn't ever made a profit.
You pay big money for a name and that name doesn't draw, what happens? The name value decreases.

>>18536361 (OP)
Because the WWE doesn't want them.

>>18538007
>NOAH, AJPW, shit, even RIZIN MMA did well throughout Covid and recovered in no time.
These companies weren't nearly the size of New Japan. They operated on budgets that were tight already and depended on a lot fewer people showing up for shows. Their expenses were a lot lower.
New Japan had enormous built in expenses, from wrestlers to workers to staff to equipment to vendor deals and other operations. It worked in better times because the money was flowing in but once the money stopped flowing the expenses remained. This is critically dangerous in any business, especially one dependent on people showing up in crowds when crowds aren't even possible. And remember that those early pandemic shows were completely empty - no money was being made at all off those but the expenses all remained.
Wrestlers still expect their agreed upon salaries regardless of people show up, after all.
It wasn't mismanagement. It's a miracle they made it through.

>>18538023
And yet they keep paying people good salaries. Please explain this.

>>18537203
They're paying better than Japan, Maika did an interview with a baseball player and compared to him, her company doesn't cover anything

>>18538128
Do you have proof of any of this? Articles?
RIZIN is the biggest MMA promotion in Japan. It's top three worldwide. It dwarfs NJPW in terms of popularity, mainstream appeal, and attendance. It never struggled.
More to the point, no sport in Japan struggled as much as NJPW, and there's far, far bigger names and sports out there than something as niche as pro-wrestling.
It 100% is mismanagement and it continues to this day.

>>18537203
600k is 6 years worth of Stardom attendance

>>18538174
>>18538202
Of course they're paying better. Khan is a billionaire. He's outbidding and other smaller promotions can't compete.
It's great for the talent right now, but again, their names lose value.

>>18538203
Look man, you're looking for an argument I'm not really looking to have. This isn't that important to me.
Peace.

>>18538265
I'm not looking for an argument at all, man. I'm just calling it clean.
Why did NJPW struggle when everything, literally everything else didn't?
Why hasn't Stardom produced a single star since Ogawa was fired?
Bushiroad is inept.

>>18537809
retard poster, she can barely speak it lmao.

>>18538285
Eh, you could be right.
But we've veered far from the original point - namely, that WWE is the most prestigious company in the world and it's the most prestigious precisely because it's a behemoth (a well-managed one at that) that's maintained the largest fanbase in the country with the most pro-wrestling fans for the last two decades.
That doesn't make it better (I prefer Stardom and Marigold personally) but, for better or for worse, it is the big leagues for most of these gals.

>>18538528
I can't help but be a bit nippy when it comes to Bushiroad. Sorry if I was coming off as a cunt. I absolutely adored New Japan and Stardom and I hate seeing what they're like now. They were the true alternative to WWE.
I agree with your points on WWE, too.

>>18536401
gluttonous player

>>18538573
Oh naw, you're good man. I admittedly feel much the same way.
They've unquestionably fucked up in a lot of ways. I guess I was just giving them extra benefit of the doubt.
Given that they're obviously in a big rush to get Stardom partnering up with AEW going into Forbidden Door, I'm inclined to agree extra with you. Forbidden Door is just an outlet for scouting talent they want to scoop up and Bushiroad should have learned that from the other shows they've held together.

>>18538223
Very strange. Which company are Aleister Black, Jade Cargill, Penta and Rey Fenix in right now?

>>18538636
Penta and Fenix are lifelong WWE fans. They're basically being rebuilt from the ground up.
Cargill literally had to be sent for additional training. WWE also had to build her.
Black's entire AEW run is irrelevant, hence why he's Aleister and not Malakai.

>>18536361 (OP)
Do to nip economic policy they haven't had inflation in like 30 years, which is based, if you buy something in nipland it's the same prices as it was in like 1995 or was until recently.
The issue is japanese money is basically worthless compared to USD. so like jewgle says a meal for 2 at a nice japanese restaraunt is 5k jpy which is like $35 USD. a cheap meal is 1k which is like $6.85 and mcdonalds is like 750jpy which is like $5.
so American money, despite being retarded monopoly money because the fed is gay, is super strong vs the yen and tony is overplaying a lot of the girls comparted to what stardom or especially anyone outside of stardom can afford to pay.

>>18538790
I noticed something like that when I came back from Japan last year. Money was tight and I still had a ton of yen left over, so I converted it and got £60.
It's great for tourists, but man this is so sad for the Japanese. All that backbreaking, life-stealing work for pennies.

>>18538790
so tiny is literally squashing smaller companies
>>18538841
this is sad

>>18538841
>>18538956
like you said everything there is cheaper so if you are a local it would suck buying American things but food is cheap there and no one had their life's savings robbed by inflation. they just can't compete on pay with American companies

>>18538790
oh I remembered another thing, due to the difference in cost of living and exchange rate, a lot of the japanese vtubers, if they have any english skills at all, will specifically try to pander to Americans. one of them said on one of their streams
>overseas(read American) nikis (lit. bros, read viewers) are so valuable
If stardom or marigold could get a significant install base for Americans watching streams and ppvs you can bet you ass they will force poi and mayu to start speaking english

>>18536361 (OP)
>part-timer schedule allows them to live in japan
>get paid six figures us dollars a year to show up for the occasional tv match
It's a no-brainer for people who just want to make good money and half-ass it.

>>18539080
True, the only issue is that it eventually ends and they won't ever see money like that again.
This is WCW all over again.

>>18537365
egods... we couldve saved her :(

>>18536361 (OP)
When AEW is your friend you will never need enemies.

Another victory for Poach Tony K.

>>18538202
>They're paying better than Japan, Maika did an interview with a baseball player
I get that their are levels to this shit but that interview is fucking brutal. Poor Maika :(