Thread 18548897

>>18548897 (OP)
The racist canceled chud piece of shit that is dead and burning in hell and his legacy has already been deleted, oh wow that was easy

>>18548897 (OP)
I gotta go with Cody, and I like Cody

>>18548897 (OP)
I like Cody but hes the choice and its not even close.

>>18548897 (OP)
Austin, only because his era had a lot of great talent that could have easily been put in his spot where as Hogan/Cena/Cody have no real replacements available during their time.

>>18548897 (OP)
CAWdy obviously

>>18548954
That's bullshit.
Everyone was over because of Austin. The Rock is the only one on his level and even he got outshined by Hogan.

Real answer is Cody

>>18548897 (OP)
Cody and it's not even a contest.

>>18548954
Nope, Attitude Era will not work without Austin as the ultimate redneck and Vince as the ultimate evil chairman.

>>18548897 (OP)
Delete wifebeater steve. Rock was a bigger star than him anyway

This shit is Facebook tier. Sage.

>>18548954
Honestly I agree, Codester might be the lesat decorated wrestler in that image but he really carried the brand hard since his return.

Austin might brought record profits to the company but that era was hot that anyone can be inserted in his place.

Super Cena killed wrestling in the 00s

>>18548954
Lmao get a load of this fucking retard

>>18549916
He also carried WWE at the time because he is the least smelly shitter of the time. If you put Carder, HHH, HBK, Edge, Hardy, Y2J, RVD, Kurt, Batista, Orton as the top guy, WWE will be out of business within 2010, these guys also driven the audience away and without a presentable quality of Cena.

>>18548897 (OP)
Hulk Hogan has already been deleted...

>>18549936
>He also carried WWE at the time
No you fucking moron. He almost kill it but The Rock and Brock came back and save the day then not long after Vince kickstart The Shield.

>>18548897 (OP)
Cena ran off millions of fans during his time on top. No fucking way he gets the run he did if they had actual competition. It was just Lupton on autopilot booking for his own amusement.

>>18549874
Good Morning Vampire

>>18548897 (OP)
has to be cena

>>18548897 (OP)
cena just because im curious about the alternate timeline

>>18548897 (OP)
Cody. I can't imagine a WWE without Cena. It still would've been PG, but who would be the face of the company? Especially with the corporate elegance and sheer energy of Cena. Rey? Good not great. Dolph Ziggler no. Certainly not Orton

>>18548897 (OP)
Cody, duh

Cena. Never liked him. Hope he stays retired when the year is over but I don’t buy it.

Does deleting Cody bring back Stardust?

Pretty easy decision in that case.

>>18548897 (OP)
Can I delete two? Delete Super Cena and Nightmare Cody then replace them with Prototype and Stardust.

Cena.
His era started the tremendous down turn. Half his career the fans hated him. He's only well respected now because the kids of the PG era are adults and nostalgia is hitting them.

The other 3 lead WWE to huge success

>>18548903
Cody's still alive thoughbeit

>>18548903
>The racist canceled chud piece of shit that is dead and burning in hell and his legacy has already been deleted, oh wow that was easy

>>18550638
The only reason people watch smackdown nowadays is just so they can see cena lmao

>>18550638
Half?
He was already getting booed by Fans in 2005 when he started his face run.
Jericho, Christian, Paul and Angle got cheered over him.

>>18548954
I am very certain there is an anti-Austinfag on this board right now because you have to be fucking retarded to think Austin was replaceable. The only time he was close to replacable was 2000 when he spend some time recovering from neck surgery and the Rock was the top guy.
But between late 1997 and 2000, Austin was THE top guy of the WWE. Bret and Shawn were anti-draws, Taker's 1997 title run is one of the worst drawing runs of all time (worst-drawing WrestleMania pre-Network, one of the worst-drawing SummerSlams) and The Rock was not ready to be the top guy of the company for 2 years.
There's a reason Austin is still the biggest draw of WWE despite his relatively short time on top compared to Hogan, Cena and Cody.

>>18548897 (OP)
Either way, the correct answer would be Cody. I can see the WWE still prosper without Cody. The other 3 were too influential for their respective era's.

>>18550745
I tend to agree; I struggle to find someone for Cody's spot right now but I flat out can't imagine anyone standing in Cena's

>>18550759
Anyone can replace Cena spot and we will have the same result and same scenario where Vince got cold feet and make an emergency call to Dwayne and Brock. Cena carried the company is a myth.

>>18548897 (OP)
Wouldn't removing Cena retroactively remove Cody anyway?

>>18550776
I don't think Christian, Punk, Jericho, Orton or anyone left from that era would play ball with PG like he did and go the extra mile to make up for his lackluster star power. Dwayne and Austin were long gone, Brock was gone, Batista was gone, etc

Hogan. Preserve the territories, we all have our own local wrestling promotion that caters to our community. A lot of you are happily married to used up rats cause you go out to the matches every week instead of shit posting and gaming every night. One less racist chud is just a bonus.

>>18550786
>I don't think Christian, Punk, Jericho, Orton or anyone left from that era would play ball with PG like he did and go the extra mile to make up for his lackluster star power.
This is going to be funny but HHH can easily replace Cena's spot, lmao.

>>18550776
Delusional lmao
Who else do you think could've been the face of the company during the Super Cena era?
Orton? Too boring, his peak is as the 2nd guy behind the FOTC
Punk? Cena propelled Punk to stratosphere, he wouldn't be as over without Cena as the FOTC
Mr Kennedy? Lol. Del Rio? Lmao. Wade Barrett? Glass bones. Edge? Broken neck + natural heel, not FOTC material.

>>18550806
If you have Hunter as the face of PG (go all in on DX maybe? but PG DX was the drizzling shitz) then you don't have him as the epic badgood guy. PG Super Hunter after the Reign of Terror would be worse than Supercena

>>18550823
Cena lost millions of viewers. You could put anyone in there and they could also lose millions of viewers.

>>18550798
>Preserve the territories
Ignoring your pathetic ongoing anti-Hogan spam trolling, you're an idiot if you think the territories would remain without WWE pushing Hogan. That's not how it would have worked

>>18550827
Cena if nothing else was a corporate stooge, very marketable and readily whorable. None of those guys would be the same and WWE would have lost what little cultural relevance it still had, not just viewers

>>18550823
if you build a company around 1 person and 1 person only it's bound to lose viewers and in general lower the quality of the product

>>18550839
This is the first time I’ve commented about hogans abhorrent beliefs. Meds now.

>>18548897 (OP)
It's objectively Cena. I like the guy but he factually did shit business during his run. The cope about "muh he stopped the bleeding" is just that; cope. Anyone could've been in his position and done just "as well".
Cody started this current boom so it's not him. Without him, one of the founders of the competitors, crossing over, we're looking at an entirely different landscape right now.
It's obviously not Hogan.
I could see an argument for Austin because of how hot that era was and arguably you could've put anyone vs. Vince and it would've drawn just as much because wanting to see Mr. McMahon get beat the fuck up was the real draw.

>>18550798
It wasn't just Hogan, it was also the WWF machine like a steam engine. Vince and Hogan were symbiotic; if it wasn't Hogan it would've been maybe Macho Man and it wouldn't have been as big but it still would've eaten the territories

I hate Cena but how do you not pick Cody here?

>>18550874
>Cody started this boom
This is going to be WWEs spin on it and people are already falling for it. It was Sami joining the bloodline that started the growth period. If Cody hadn’t jumped but omega or mox or even hangman had and performed to a high level it would have been exactly the same.

>>18550823
The point is no body fit to be the face of the company at that time so Vince handpick Cena, a company man that will listen to his every command as the top guy thus anyone that willing to bend the knee to him was fine at that time.

>>18550825
It will be as bad as super Cena and you don't really need HHH as le epic bad guy anymore at that point, people demand DX since 2004 but Paul has to stay heel to complete Batista arc.

>>18550874
>Anyone could've been in his position and done just "as well".
Absolutely not. John isn't a natural megastar, but the other candidates aren't much better (any better). What Cena had going for him was an indefatigable work ethic to do what they needed him to do when they needed him to do it, being marketable to children (target audience of PG) and his ability to cut a god tier promo compared to most of his peers

>>18550874
>Cody started this current boom so it's not him.
I hate to said it but the current upswing start with Bray's The Fiend gimmick and followed by Roman's Coconut Mafia gimmick. Zami joining the bloodline and Cody return solidify the period but they do not kick start it.

>>18550885
Trips at that point in time without a badass edge would not have worked. Keep in mind how in this timeline it's just him. No Cena to contrast him with so you're left with a vacuum we have no proof he could fill

>>18550903
>the fiend
Na that had nothing to do with it. Remember the peak of the fiend was x pac talking about how shit the HIAC was. Also WWE was dying in covid until they did the thunderdome. It’s the bloodline but specifically Sami joining that started the growth.

>>18548897 (OP)
Cena because I quit WWE when he was the guy and came back he was a part-timer.

>>>18550874(You)
Sami joined the Bloodline AFTER Cody jumped. Also no to your second point because none of them have the mass appeal that Cody has, especially with kids. MAYBE Hangman with the WWE machine behind him

>>18550907
Cena will work as epic big bad in HHH's place. People seems to forgot how fucking good of a heel Cena used to be.

>>18550897
They would have been fine. Batista would have been the face of the company and it wouldn’t have worked very well followed by Randy which also wouldn’t have worked but they would truck along until they found Roman.

>>18550919
OP is a hypothetical where Cena straight up doesn't exist. People underestimate how big of a hole that would leave in wrestling history even if it's a period they disliked. Even if you assume Triple H could have filled the Cena spot, that would leave you without the Triple H spot. It doesn't matter how much one dislikes Cena, he's not a neglible molecule next to Triple H

>>18550918
YOU FUCKED UP
YOU FUCKED UP

>>18550918
Yes AFTER Cody jumped.
He debuted and had that shit feud with Seth that was terrible except for literally WWE being completely irresponsible and letting him wrestle looking like he did in HIAC. Then he vanished and the growth period actually started when Sami joined the bloodline. If you remember no one gave a fuck about Cody v Roman compared to Cody v sammi at the febuary ppv and then after sammi lost (as they all hoped he wouldn’t but expected he would) they switched to Cody being the hero they wanted to win and off they went.

>>18550927
You think WWE would have been fine if
>Batista leaves in 2010
>Orton picks up the top babyface spot
>Roman picks up the top babyface spot until 2015
>Roman finally debuts the Tribal Chief gimmick years later
?

>>18550940
thats obese smark headcanon, kids and casuals always cared more about cody

>>18550874
>>18550903
>>18550910
You’re all wrong, Vince getting ousted started the boom- everything went up IMMEDIATELY after he stepped down

>>18550910
The Fiend is the start, it was the first in a long time that WWE draw casual interest, it was the reason Vince allow Roman heel turn because The Fiend make it certain that casual love edgy shit.

Anyone who thinks that WWE could have "just put anyone else" in either Hogan, Austin or Cena's spots and gotten similar or better results, is a fucking moron who doesn't understand that certain wrestlers have a certain level of charisma/"it" factor that is very uncommon and can't be replicated
Do you motherfuckers know what you get when you legitimately try to suddenly swap out Hulk Hogan with "anybody" to take his place? You get the fucking New Generation era that almost killed WWE until Austin and Rock came around

>>18550944
Yes because even when hemorrhaging viewers, they always had something up their sleeves, like Rock coming back to spike interest for a bit, Brock coming back, etc. There virtually wouldn't have been a difference if Cena wasn't around

>>18550934
Cena down right none exist? Hmm. it could still work albeit in a bad shape because Cena was vital to midcard scene in 2003 but The E will survive anyways.

>>18550944
Yes because WWE is the draw not the wrestlers. They also wouldn’t have spent nearly 20 years fighting their fanbase and having the top star booed in every match which might have allowed someone else to actually succeed as top star.

>>18550962
No PG-era Cena means you don't have Cena as a face or heel from 2008 to 2015. You don't have reliable Cena to feud with Rock at two of the biggest Manias back to back; part of the spice of Rock's return at the time was feuding with Cena. Brock came back after Batista retired so you can't even have that. It's incomprehensible to say WWE would be unchanged without Cena

>>18550958
Hogan was already the biggest star in wrestling before WWE so that’s irrelevant.
Austin is an interesting one because if you look at him it is astonishing that he managed to become what he was. So many things had to happen to get him there.

>>18550966
Cena was a gargantuan draw for their target demographic and big events. He was the last big star before the mutation you're talking about finally took root

>>18550638
People got over booing Cena because he stepped down from the top spot. Not everyone is an embittered smark like you

>>18548897 (OP)
>Hulk Hogan
>'Stone Cold' Steve Austin
>John Cena
>.....Cody Rhodes
https://youtu.be/ueZ6tvqhk8U?t=17

>>18551031
Well, it's Codyfags, what do you expected?

>>18551031
>>18551039
Roman killed the company harder than Cena. Erasing him would be an unequivocal net positive

>>18551056
If they had turned him at WM 31 growth period would have happened way before it did.

>>18551056
Erasing Roman flat out means no Tribal Chief story so what is Cody doing when he returns? Feuding with Owens or Orton or summ?

hate the chudster. still deleting CAWdy.

>>18548897 (OP)
Hulk

>>18551070
Brock

>>18549979
>>18550827
>Cena lost millions of viewers
LMFAO buddy, Cena wasn't the top guy until 2005. In fact, ratings prove that Cena IMPROVED ratings until mid 2006 and kept the decline stable compared to the fucking plummet between 2000 and 2004.
Cenahaters proving once again they are fucking retards.

>>18551070
The Codester will face Tribal Yeet in an epic Yeet showdown in WM40, brother!

>>18551110
Holy shit. what started the decline?

>>18551110
>lets completely ignore that in 2005 raw moved from spike to USA and let’s also ignore how the ratings after continue to drop year over year as Cena loses millions of fans
Congratulations you played yourself

>>18551104
Catastrophic. Cody going over Brock at Mania 39 would be big but not as big as going over either Brock or Roman at Mania 40, but Brock wasn't available for Mania 40

>>18548897 (OP)
i'd rather just delete me instead

>>18551118
It down when HHH got push, lmao. Basically, HHH, Invasion and Superman gimmick. Cena was a drawn before Vince make him a superman.

>>18548897 (OP)
Simp Cuck because he never drew a dime without bigger stars Vince, Rock, HHH

>>18551118
Steph took over as head booker and nixed the HHH, Angle feud out of nowhere which made people think this shits bullshit. It literally happened in September 2000 when the decline started.

>>18551137
That's around the time "I did for.. da Rock" happened too which makes sense because it was another massive storyline with a shit ending, like Higher Power in 99

>>18551118
>Raw moving from USA Network to TNN in Fall 2000 and a lot of their fanbase not being able to have TNN at the time
>WCW's death causing a decline in wrestling viewers
>Austin's heel turn coinciding with Rock's first departure to Hollywood, leaving the WWF with no credible top babyface until SummerSlam.
>Triple H's "Reign of Terror" between 2002 and 2005 where he was the top heel of the company and kept squashing babyfaces

>>18551152
Actually at the time it was a doubly whammy because first it was Rikishi which was underwhelming but then Triple Nose had to shove himself into the storyline. Then he got killed at suvivor series by getting dropped off a forklift in a car and was back two weeks completely fine with Steph saying ‘it’s miraculous he didn’t suffer a single broken bone’. The casuals thought enough of this slop for me and turned off.

>>18551124
>let's completely ignore the fucking plummet beforehand and the abysmal continuation to keep my headcanon that Cena killed wrestling despite him being at worst equivelant to Bret keeping ratings stable in the New Generation era.

>>18551164
>keeping rating stable
They go down every year that Cena was the face. Get your eyes checked. He lost so many viewers. Looks like a dynamite ratings chart.

>It's Cena that kill WWE!
>No, It's Roman!
Wrong, the only correct answer is Paul"Triple H"Levesque. This man killed WWE as a mainstream entertainment.

>>18551187
>as a mainstream entertainment.
This is very important to highlight. I agree BIGLY

>>18551187
That's the correct way to think of it.

>>18551187
>>18551206
>>18551219
WWE is more mainstream than ever.

>>18551222
Maybe on planet retard

>>18551104
No Tribal Chief means the preexisting story changes entirely. If Cody can't go over Brock before Wrestlemania 40 then he can't use him as a stepping stone to build himself. Cody could go over Brock at 39 and Rock at 40 in a singles match (bear in mind Dwayne's age and limitations), but it's anyone's guess how good that would be compared to what we got. And it's unlikely Dwayne would have come back just to feud with and do the job for Cody

>>18551222
based on what?

>>18548897 (OP)
Cody or Cena
but out of those two it would be Cody

>>18550940
you're a fucking retard, you can see ticket sales go down immediately after cody left after getting injured and picking back up after he came back. He is that nigga.

>>18551342
Injury was June 5 2022 which is Q2 2022.
Enjoy that L.

>>18548897 (OP)
Can't get rid of Hogan as he is the reason wrestling got worldwide instead of just being local to mexico/US/Japan, can't get rid of Austin because he is the reason for the attitude era and 90's resurgence, can get rid of Cena as he is the reason why wrestling stayed alive in the 200's/10's, which leaves Cody and only because his era just began

>>18551379
Cody's 40 so I don't know how long his era will last

>>18550874
The upswing was Roman's heel turn. Cody is the biggest beneficiary of the upswing and keeps it going due to WWE finally having a person who is comfortable with being the standard

>>18551379
>hogan was what got wrestling worldwide
WWE wasn’t even on tv in Europe until the early 90’s and it was when Bret was champion which is why Europeans love them some Hitman.

>>18551404
>in Europe
We are talking about the relevant world anon, not the eternal post-WW2 janetties

>>18551414
>hogan is the reason wrestling got worldwide instead of just being local to Mexico/US/Japan etc.
Might want to actually read the thread next time ya pinhead. India is not the relevant parts of the world he was talking about.

>>18548897 (OP)
Much as you gotta love the Codester (you just gotta), he didn't carry the Fed like the other three, and I'm not a fan of Simp Cuck.

>>18548897 (OP)
erasing Cena means erasing some of the shittiest most boring eras in WWE history so I choose Cena

>>18551377
and him coming back is q1 2023, sales go up across the board.

>>18551031
It’s called whitewashing, let the edomites have their time in the sun it won’t last much longer

>>18551554
Things went up at wrestlemania season!!! WOW
Haha you buggin lil bro just take the L and let the big boys talk.

>>18551597
>Haha you buggin lil bro just take the L and let the big boys talk.

>>18551163
Well that completely summarizes why Hunter is a bad writer and creative, why would you no sell you car getting flipped over after 2 weeks? Logically it makes sense for Austin to take him out for a few months like you did him, maybe just 1 at the least then you return and either A. Screw him out of the title or rumble or B. Cement yourself as next in line for the belt

But I guess they didn’t want him to miss Mania which makes sense so it was just dumb to make him the mastermind in the first place and not the original culprit which would have been able to get the feud wrapped up either before or at the rumble

>>18551622
I accept your concession. GG EZ

>>18551636
>I accept your concession. GG EZ

>>18548897 (OP)
Cena. He ruined a lot of 2005-2018

>>18548897 (OP)
dumbest photo I've ever seen. obviously cody

Hogan is the reason we got "sports entertainment" and the reason WCW died. He is the worst thing to ever happen to wrestling and an overall piece of shit.

>>18548897 (OP)
Hogan. he's charismatic but such a bad wrestler

>>18548897 (OP)
Cena. No Super Cena. Would force Vince to push someone else during the PG era, maybe even bring Brock back much earlier.

>>18551758
He's not. Wrestling is a work. It's a performance. Some guys work a more mat based style, others are powerhouses, some high-fliers, etc. The only rule is to entertain, and Hogan did that better than anyone in wrestling history, as proven by birthing not one but two wrestling boom periods, one for WWF in the mid to late 80s and then another for WCW in the late 90s. Hogan's a better worker than Cena and Cody btw.

>>18551783
Agh... Yeah I hate to say it but yeah. No one could work a crowd like Hogan

>>18551783
>Hogan's a better worker than Cena and Cody btw

pumping your arms and pointing at the crowd is not work. he's a bad wrestler. the only time he was passable was when he went to japan

>>18551803
Do you want to die?

>>18551803
a good work is a work that works brother

hogan could work a crowd like no one else but he couldn’t wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag

>>18551803
>pumping your arms and pointing at the crowd is not work
Yes, it is. It's literally referred to as "working the crowd." And it was a success because the crowds would go ballistic for it.

>he's a bad wrestler
He's not a wrestler. He's a worker. And Hogan was a great worker. That's why he was a massive success for many, many years.

>the only time he was passable was when he went to japan
Wrong again. Even if you only care about ring work, Hogan wrestled a lot of good matches in the US too, albeit they are back in the 80s. Hogan did work a formulaic match, especially by the late 80s, but then again so did Ric Flair and I bet you don't shit on him.

>>18551859
>hogan worked a bunch of excellent matches in the early 80’s in the US
Name them then

>>18551859
it's called the world wrestling federation / world wrestling entertainment.
not world worker federation. he was a wrestler, and a bad one.
pointing at your opponent and only doing leg drops is not good wrestling.

>>18551859
yes I shit on ric flair too, his only move is slapping other mens chest is not good wrestling.

>>18551803
>pumping your arms and pointing at the crowd is not work.
Anything that you do that repeatedly gets big pops from large crowds for decades is fucking work, anon

>>18551868
he can't because there's none.

>>18551868
i liked his matches against Orndorff, Sheik and Mach :( and the body slam heard around the world in WrestleMania 3 pops me every time

>>18548954
Who raped you?

>>18548897 (OP)
>Hulkster shot WWF to success
>Austin helped WWF beat WCW
>Cena kept WWE afloat for better and worse, got some good feuds
I have zero idea what significant thing Cody did for WWE other than co-conspiring with Nose to fuck over Rock, so him

>>18548897 (OP)
Motherfuckers really talking about removing Austin from WWE history
Some of you youngfags have no idea how horrible WWE was doing business-wise until this segment happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5abDK1j5IE
This started the turnaround for the company. It was talked about on mainstream media the next day, and normies were talking about it
Name one other wrestler in WWE at that time who could have pulled off that brawl segment as well as Austin did. You can't

>>18548897 (OP)
It's going to have to be cody.
Hogan elevated wrestling. Austin saved the wwf and made it more popular than ever. Cena held it together during the dreadful pg era. These 3 aren't replaceable.

Cody finished his story and is just floating around at this point. Great pops, but almost everyone gets a good pop nowadays. Jey Uso can replace him desu.>>18548897 (OP)

What was Cena doing for WWE as a figurehead? His run at the top came at the time where WWE was at its most complacent where anyone outside of the demographic Cena was appealing to just put up with the show because wrestling outside of WWE didn't really have a foothold. This was an era before companies fully embraced streaming platforms as a distribution method so stuff like NJPW or indie promotions couldn't reach the broad audiences they could as the mid and late 2010s arrived.

In short Cena's hour was during the phase where WWE was least in need of a "top guy", whether or not they had one.

>>18552066
everybody was getting a pop in the attitude era so road dogg could have replaced austin

>>18552170
Oh, you didn't know?

>>18548897 (OP)
Only one?

>>18550786
>the company would be forced to be creative instead of making kiddie slop with cena
Oh no, how terrible!

>>18552760
PG is what Vince wanted n Cena was Vince's number one bitch

>>18551875
>it's called the world wrestling federation / world wrestling entertainment. not world worker federation.

Because of kayfabe, dummy. Iron Man wasn't called Robert Downey Jr. wearing a mo-cap suit!

Wrestling is a CONTEST. Pro "wrestling" is COOPERATIVE and a PERFORMANCE. Get it now, dummy?

>>18548897 (OP)
Cena so reign of terror ends in 2015

>>18553040
Shitty contest pal,Im switching to the show with guy eating worms