Thread 18583470

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Schedule
8.23 12th Tokyo Princess Cup Finals @ Korakuen Hall, Tokyo (LIVE)[11:30 JST]
8.30 Holy Light Ranbu~Kyoto Glass Chapter~ @ KBS Hall, Kyoto (VOD)[12:30 JST]
9.7 Go Girl 6 ~ Women-Only Event ~ @ Kitazawa Town Hall, Tokyo (LIVE)[12:00 JST]
9.7 TJPW Autumn Victory in KITAZAWA @ Kitazawa Town Hall, Tokyo (LIVE)[17:30 JST]
9.13 I want to save everyone with a smile ~ Arisu's Aizu-Wakamatsu Grand March ~ @ Aizuwakamatsu City Tsuruga Castle Gymnasium, Fukushima (VOD)[17:00 JST]
9.20 WRESTLE PRINCESS Ⅵ @ Ota Ward General Gymnasium, Tokyo (LIVE)[14:00 JST]
9.27 TJPW Autumn Victory in SHINKIBA @ Shinkiba 1stRING, Tokyo (LIVE)[18:00 JST]

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>>18577186

first for moka

big eater

I have an enormous penis.

Lets all erp togther bros

>>18583470 (OP)
I love her

That guy that constantly brags being one of the 5 kamiyu subs on patreon been real quiet since the pom accident...

I look forward to seeing the confidence inspiring games of Shino Suzuki

>>18583551
Kamiyu got $195 on her last post and it didn't even include a photo.
Nobody knows or cares about some stupid prank she pulled.

>>18583478
Imagine the farts

Shoko feet

>>18583691
that was not my point. It's that he probably left seeing /tjpw/ is pro pom general

I was told she had a big ass

Classy Mifu dance practice
https://x.com/ashida_mifu/status/1957403588197797942

>>18583795
She needs to do it naked next.

>>18583724
HERO BOOTY

>>18583724
looks big enough to eat if you catch my drift

>>18583877
Please elaborate in detail

>>18583890
I have to make Rika my wife

>>18583996
>I don't have wi-fi at home
Oh god Namab it's so over just fly back to Japan please

Today, I will it for she.

>>18583996
it didnt have to be like this

I'm starting to get worried about Moka

>>18583954
She's very disappointed in you

>>18583996
No lie, this is Namba's incompetence at this point.

>>18584270
It's funny because I always think wow it must kinda suck to be a joshi and have your entire schedule regimented for you, so you can sell merch and travel and train and wrestle and travel more.

I'm starting to realize that Namba maybe really needed that structure and having things sorted for you.

Most of the roster wouldn't be able to function independently in the real world. Even former office lady wagies like Mahiro struggle, she said she had depression with no wrestling whilst injured.

>>18583890
Fake rock fan Rick Tatsumi

>>18584262
Sensei should punish me then

Chika post nut clarity hitting

blowing a fat load over Rika's face

>>18583724
erotic gear

>>18584371
The caveat being Namba wasn't a wrestler and had far more free time than the rest of the girls.

Phone plans with unlimited data cost about $25 a month

>>18583724
Yumola

>>18584371
i wonder how namba's jabroni pets are coping in her absence.

umm pom better check in on her sister

she's crashing out on her maid cafe account

no one cares about your off topic shit

What's so special about the special singles match between Maki and Arai?

Suzume fucking sucks I hope she retires

>>18585156
deep lore

would have preferred itoh vs misao first time ever in tjpw but koda playing

>>18585152
this

>>18583551
That guy is me, but my Patreon membership is not long for this world, we’re treated like second class Yukickers. So only fans gets Kamiyu’s audios but we don’t? Frustrated isn’t the goddamn word for it, this is bullshit. And the whole Pom thing, she was just on the rag. Everyone knows Kamiyu is the big sister in the locker room and all the girls look up to her. Gimmick aside she would never purposefully be a cunt to any of the girls, except for Mahiro of course.

pom's sister an heroing is on topic

>>18585216
>2 hardcore match wrestlers
>does not book them in a match
Either Koda is creatively incompetent or he does not want to do another one in Tjpw since Itoh got injured last time we had one

>>18585263
or hes just not a fan of hardcore/deathmatches and felt reluctant to do them in the past. takagi still has sway in tjpw booking and thats definitely up his alley.

or he just needs kyokyo in a match together to set up the next tag challenge

>>18585303
Based on that match, who would the challenge come from? OberEats already challenged in Vegas. Mifu and Aja aren’t part of established tag teams. And Toribami and Himawari aren’t an established team either

if you're going to whine about koda every day pick a different promotion to watch

Koda doesn't book other promotions though.

SUZUME
E
X

>>18585558
Shame about the

>>18585558
this is when she hexed Moka

>>18585236
>all the girls look up to her
kek

>>18585156
>Maki Itoh’s opponent is Yuki Arai.
>Arai lost her debut match to Itoh, who told her: “Take as many years as you need, but come back to crush me.”

>Now, 3 and a half years since their last singles bout, Arai returns stronger to stand against Itoh. An emotional clash awaits.

miu wasted a great chance to further work the marks by not doing her daily unicast streams

>>18585836
she did the meeto immediately after the tournament

>>18585847
while sitting down and wearing an eyepatch, yes

>>18585836
She limped out of the ring and then did her entire post match promo sitting in the dread chair of leg injuries. And then did the entire post meeto sat down as well. Wearing an eye patch so her real injury didn't freak people out!

At some point we're basically just asking her to sit in a wheelchair with a cast for the entire week, rolling about the emergency department in her gear.

Ummm.... where the F*** is Moka?

>>18585870
Yes that's the level of selling and character work we all deserve. Ivan Koloff literally learned Russian at the height of the cold war so people would believe he was really Soviet.

Miu should punch her leg all week in a wheelchair until it's super gnarly and bruised and then dramatically just manage to stand up for the final.

who wins? and do they actually get to keep it for more than 10 minutes before takagi jumps them backstage?

>>18585946
The Ramster

>>18583724
Misao needs to use this gear all time...

>>18583996
I want to adopt her and raise her
she is just too stupid to survive on her own

>>18586057
>adopt her
sup gramps, how was wrestlemania 1

>>18585946
I’m also thinking Ram. I suppose it doesn’t matter too much this time around, but not letting Mizuki bring the title to Texas was a missed opportunity

Dude, Where's My Moka?

When is she going to get a clue and ditch the Idol shit and be a top red in TJPW?

>>18586133
>red
i meant ref GMS me

>>18586133
she stopped being an idol last year and became a full time OL

Miu limping to the ring for the TPC final with a pink glittery eyepatch. Arisu with enough athletic tape on her back to mark a crime scene. Uncles napping in the third row of Korakuen because TJPW is the comfiest fed in the universe.

>>18585946
Chika

>>18585946
>RONMAN

>>18586410
Reigns?

>>18585972
unless theres back to back shows, she will in fact wearing it all the time

>>18586458
Kyokyo should swap gear for a show

Haru's brown nipple

Now let's see Okubo Runa's

I'm starting to think Runa isn't coming back.

>>18586741
She graduates from high school next year, right? We’ll see after that. I think the odds of her returning are pretty decent

>>18586748
Kids are basically expected to be slaves to their parents until the parents die. There are women in their 20s who won't/can't do things because their parents would disapprove. Look at how many players say they don't tell their parents about doing wrestling because their parents would't approve or would say no? And these are adult women.

>>18586458
Imagine the smell

Runa should kill her parents. They prevented her from becoming an international superstar.

>>18586748
no way she doesn't go to college

>>18586803
your mom goes to college

Who's Runa?

>>18586837
The less funny Haruna

>>18586837
A loli with big tits

this place is dead because the pedo is still posting

Good morning! Suppai Grand Strategy (Gummy) Cola Lemon Flavor

>>18586066
he's not old he's just infantilizing a 31 year old asian woman

so perfect

>>18587330
Back off.

>>18587308
the sleeping uncle was wide awake for this lol

>>18586748
She had a shoot bright future unless her parents think she'll be making more money in whatever career she'll get after university.
>>18586767
Her dad is a big puro fan which is how she got into TJPW. Apparently her mom looks like Kamiyu too. At the very least her parents wanted her to avoid a major injury before she finished school.

>>18587340
He had to get a glimpse of her bending over.

>>18587308
HYPER CHEER SQUAD

>>18587308
>cheerleading
what cant misao do?

>>18587428
Sell portraits

>>18587510
kek

>>18587510
true

>>18583996
so she stopped updating because she was paying an editor?

>>18587764
She used an entire 40GB data plan in one night because she was uploading videos. She's nearly retarded and I hope she abandons this terrible idea and comes home soon. I'm sure they can have her split duties with Rise and give this poor woman enough money to survive.

Namba is off topic btw. No one cares about ex tjpw employees here

>>18587428
disappoint me :3

>>18587308
>does your gimmick better than you
based

Mifu was obviously given some type of ultimatum to start drawing dimes or be dismissed
The cheerleader shit was so cringe and pathetic

yeah obviously

>>18588050
might be one of the most retarded posts i've ever read on here, congrats

Meltzer confirmed it

chinny is meltzer's source

I believe in Arisu

Koda called Mifu's parents and explained her precarious situation to them

>>18588050
It's better than the nothing we got before.

Just like how Kira started showing cleavage and ass on her SNS and Chika went full camel toe. Even Arai is getting in on it. The yen must be weak.

Alfred Konuwa is reporting CyberFight has warned fans that going forward anyone caught napping at an event will be asked to leave immediately.

>>18588186
she literally isn't doing anything differently from before though, what are you even talking about

>>18588268
that was the first time she did shit with cheering and pompoms outside of an entrance

>>18587308
ive never seen a mifu match. does she do a cheerleading chant at the beginning of her matches?

>>18588222
shows finna end up being half empty main event time

is that speaker vibrating her pussey?

>>18588050
>Miyu Yamashita is the Ace of Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling

>>18588318
no

>>18588316
no it wasn't
>>18588318
sometimes

>>18588050
I liked it

>>18588443
fumirin is great

>>18588268
Misaofag only watch Misao matches

i think misao did it better desu

>>18588451
you’re retarded

I think she started doing the cheerleading mid match recently which is def a plus

>>18588443
Look at those beautiful kicks, imagine one of those kicks right in the balls

femdom is cringe

Nah that's you

femdom is based

my eyes were glued to fumirin

whats femdom?

https://forms.gle/HSBYfJxVZvXQx41r9
Predictions form for the TPC finals

>>18588443
KEK
I love how Rika just said fuck it and went to sleep

>>18588463
hey other anons are saying it too

Mifu is so beautiful and high class that I can't even fantasize about being with her therefore I cannot support her

3 generation family of inspiration

>>18587308
Why did this cause Mifu fans to get mad?

>>18588661
it didn't?

>>18588546
Yeah many people are saying that you’re retarded

>>18588653
Ren is yen and will take up the mantle of both Rika and Suzume

>>18588703
The ace we deserve

>>18588537
I voted for the seniors in every match

I've sucked those toes

>>18588840
True

>>18588540
seems to be a theme in TJPW huh

>>18588443
I thought this was cringe

>>18589231
some people just arent naturally funny

>>18589509
pom sisters…

>>18589509
I got what they were going for, but it went on for way too long. She'll get a handle on it eventually.

The bit with the pom poms this weekend was much funnier because it allowed other people to get involved in the bit.

will Miu give Arisu the nipple twister like she did with Haru?

>>18589231
>>18589509
>>18589578
Yeah it's just a comedy timing issue that she hasn't got a good grasp on yet. Like Pom or Misao or Mahiro keep their comedy bits under 10 seconds before moving onto something else. In that 3-way Mahiro's apology spot takes 5 seconds and then she tied up HIMAWARI's hair fast for a quick pop, because she knows the point is to get a short chuckle.

Least it was better than ren's awkward squeals and 5 second stare in the 3way

I can't take my eyes off of Fumirin's big naturals.

I am very conflicted on who should win the TPC. On one hand you don't want to throw away Arisu's wins agains Miyu and Arai for nothing and with their weird hierarchy booking some people might say she's skipping a step by never winning the international princess and challenging for PoP but it's not like she's winning it, I'm sure she'd have a good match and a completely deserved main event push, even if it's for 1 show. But on the other hand you really want to keep Miu's hot streak of banger big matches this year

>>18589684
its not about length. this spray spot from last month was almost 2 min long but it was still great.

>>18589684
>Yeah it's just a comedy timing issue that she hasn't got a good grasp on yet.
except the length of the bit was decided entirely by itoh and raku

>>18589802
she still has those wins which is big for a jobber

>>18589804
This was entertaining because not only did everyone get involved but it told a short story about how Misao was urging Arai to use the spray since she had lost her match before and Arai declining until the very end where she picked it up but got sprayed instead.

>>18589802
>some people might say she's skipping a step by never winning the international princess and challenging for PoP
Winning the IP has never been a required "step".

Guys Fumirin is bilingual and maybe read these site so let's not be so rude and keep commets nice

>>18589875
never trust the mischievous hero

You should get them out

I truly believe himawari is the future ace of the promotion

>>18590216
I like HIMAWARI and she'll do great but not a chance when Miu and Haru will be there

>>18590216
that's funny

>>18590216
if she wants to commit to wrestling fully it's possible, but I think acting is her OG love it will be hard to juggle both things

Haru? You mean Ren

Ren is a shoot menhera that's gonna crash and burn like Hikari

>>18589802
It'll be Miu. Her partner Rika was the first triple crown champion to win all the belts. Miu is now the second ever triple crown champ. But with a TPC win she becomes the first one to win everything; all the belts and every tournament.

>>18589802
Miu beat Shoko and Miyu the year she made it to the finals against Yuka, lost, and was not harmed at all by it. And it only made her more ready to be champ a year and a half later.

Arisu should never have gotten this far, with how Koda books stuff. I love Arisu but I'm almost 100% sure Miu is winning this. We're already in uncharted waters. Miu winning and challenging Mizuki again is relative normalcy.

>>18590216
She has a lot of charisma, so she has something
if she can put it all together has yet to be seen

>>18590281
Ren is a shoot sheep.

>>18589804
This is a series of comedy spots in a row, though. It has a better comedic rhythm than what Mifu did. I think there might have been a timing issue because it looked like she was waiting for Raku and Maki to attack her and they missed their cue.

>>18590297
>Miu winning and challenging Mizuki again is relative normalcy.
But it's not because it's too soon. This would be yet another failed Mizuki POP reign if she loses at WP. But Miu can't afford to lose either in this situation

>>18590281
Ren being a menhera is an old meme. Watch the product. We love the sheep player now that she's debuted.

>>18590304
She did since day one. Watch the product

>>18590329
its 1 big comedy spot to start off the match. after this they start wrestling. its not about length. its genuinely just about how creative you are.

>>18590329
Raku and Maki didn't miss their cue. The point was that Mifu had tired herself out enough to get rolled up. It was just an awkward decision to make the girl do random cheerleading kicks to pop the uncles. It was probably a funny idea that didn't translate well at all

>>18590216
She was the first rookie to get a singles title match and that was after being one of the first two rookies along with Wakana, to challenge for any belt with a tag title match. They clearly see a lot of potential in her and she delivered in both those title matches, especially the IP one. I don't know about ace or anything but she'll go far

Some of my favorite comedy spots were from Mei Saint Michel
Sucks her and Sakisama are gone for good

>worst era of nbg
kek

>>18590263
>it will be hard to juggle both things
it really won't be. she's only been in 1 play this year and will be in another at the end of the year
>>18590281
she's probably the most mentally stable and normal player in the company

>>18590473
this

>she's probably the most mentally stable and normal player in the company
>he's talking about ren
kek

>>18590473
Seems like most fans consider it to be the best since it's the only incarnation of it that ever gets mentioned outside of this thread

I've never watched TJPW. Is the show on Friday night (or I guess it's Saturday afternoon in Japan) the one to watch? I saw it has English commentary so I assume it's a bigger show.

>>18590473
You mean the most dimes era

>>18590525
>still believing the outdated menhera meme
kek
she had a normal job for years and has a gold license

>>18590402
She's the ONLY rookie to get a single title match. Currently anyway, I expect Haru or Uta to get an IP match in a few months

>>18590549
Yeah it's a korakuen show so just below their biggest tier of shows. A decent place to start and they have fun roster members on English commentary.

>>18588131
you're delulu

>>18590549
It's the finals of a the big yearly singles tournament, so yes, it's a bigger show.

TJPW is different from most promotions in that there aren't really heels and faces or storylines in the traditional sense. You can jump in any time and be fine. It's more or less just cute girls having fun wrestling matches. There is lore that can make certain matches more enjoyable, but you'll pick up on it quickly if you lurk here for a bit. Just pick a waifu and dive in.

This general turns into a gamethread during shows. You're more than welcome to join us.

Ren isn't covered in scars and can sharpen a pencil without needing adult supervision

>>18590346
Shoko beat Yuka in the summer and then lost to her in the fall after Yuka won the TPC. It's not unheard of.

Mizuki losing to the Monster she beat to get the belt wouldn't be the weirdest booking in the world. It just further shows that Mizuki and Miu are equals/Miu is a main event player and not a fluke champ, like a Rika might be considered (still waiting for a second real Rika reign).

It doesn't make Mizuki's reign a failure because she defended against Rika (who she has emotional baggage with) and Miyu (who ended her first reign).

It also feels unlikely they'll give Arisu this mega push over Misao, Miyu, Arai, and then Miu, and have her main event one of the quarterly arena shows. Even if new blood would be nice.

Giving Miu all the accolades and letting her win after she got so close 3 years ago makes sense.

>>18590629
I will do that then. I like the trend of Wrestle-Universe shows starting right after SmackDown. Don't mind staying up a little late on a Friday night.

>>18590473
Agreed. MSM was just a poor copy of Azusa. She even copied her twirl.

>>18590585
Certainly helps that they held that show while the rest of the crew was in Vegas, so it was only rookies who stayed behind. Somebody had to win, and it was a nice shine on himawari who gets overlooked because she's comedic but is a good wrestler.

>>18590692
msm bros… weve been exposed

a copy that surpasses the original in every conceivable way cannot be poor

>>18590711
It was a good title match too. All those slams and drops into the apron from the outside showed me HIMAWARI had been going through her DDT videotape collection.

Chika (Fox) vs Ren (Sheep)

>>18590692
Big Bible Azusa vanquishes all the non believers

>>18590795
These are undisputable facts

kek hes seething now

someone is certainly seething that the msm incarnation is the only version of nbg anyone remembers

Koda with Chika, Ren, and HIMAWARI must cross a river by boat. The boat can carry only Koda and a single player. If left unattended together, the fox would eat the sheep, or the sheep would eat the sunflower. Koda must help them all cross the river without anything being eaten.

>>18590857
They put a clip of her slamming Suzume onto the apron in her Next Gen episode. She def saw someone else doing that and copied it. Tjpw is not an apron bomb fed.

or maybe she just decided to take the logical next step of using a signature move on the apron for extra damage

>>18590473
as someone that witnessed all 3 eras of NBG, I rank them as Misao >> Azusa >>> MSM

>>18591030
He does seem unusually upset about it

Why is there already a Renschizo

shokek's mother

>>18591030
i am sensing a lot of that myself

>>18591289
I think that's Nodoka. She said she took a trio to Okayama.

Mizuki went back to Kobe for the day, as well. Guess it's a shorter trip from Osaka.

>>18591289
nodoka isn't old enough to be her mom

nodoka looks like she wants to speak to the manager

setup account about to drop 2 more TJPW girls who never touched their ring before. no raku?

>>18590857
>>18591109
Could be Higuchi inspired, he reverses his opponent's moves with apron powerbombs sometimes. Did it in his Harashima title defense

>>18591147
https://x.com/sugar3flower/status/1415717207003209729#m
She is legit a DDT stacy who's been going to shows for years even before she got into acting before wrestling. A lot of her work is inspired by it, she jokes that she went to DDT shows to 'study study study'

Sunflower vs God of Prowrestling Yoshiko would be a one hundred star match. One day I'm sure it will happen

the himawari fag still posting

>>18590636
you don't have to attack HIMAWARI just to feel better about your oshi that hasn't even been around for 3 months

Which player will have a career derailing pregnancy?

the seething fag still seething

>>18591547
Nice picture of Misao

>>18590652
yeah i get everything you're saying. kinda rooting for arisu though cause we know she'll still lose at wp but getting all the support behind the underdog would be fun to witness. but getting miu to win the tpc and as a result winning everything including her 2nd pop at wp would be based. gotta officially confirm her as the ace though

>Somebody is posting about a player? SPAM IT'S SPAM SPAMMING SPAMMERS
My brother in Christ if you don't like players being mentioned more than twice a thread, why don't you orientate some discussion that isn't going to make you mad?

What player is your febbarit, spam spammer?

You have ten seconds to explain why putting the belt on Arisu is a bad idea.

>>18591545
It's time for me to make Shoko a mother.

>>18591586
Just ignore him.

>>18591599
I like cyclops. He's my favorite X-man

>>18591289
>>18591613
It's time to make Shoko a mother and Shoko's mother another mother

HIMAWARI will have the rare occasional "living is hard" post on threads but I'd guess she's in a very good mental state. Is back to acting, probably has people who support her IRL like Yui Tensho, does really good in wrestling, mid of the pack merch seller etc The manhera/cutting stuff seems in the past so no point of keeping mentioning it

>>18591545
Im gunning to end Rika's career with one
she's in her 30s
its time

>>18591545
Praying it's Shino
>I haven't heard from her after our night in Dallas

Stop.

>>18591599
someone has to challenge kyokyo for the belts at wp

>>18591457
Himawari vs Yoshihiko should be a Hype match like the first one with Shoko. They should do more one offs instead of making the entire show a play.

>>18591599
It's not a bad idea at all but she'd have to put down a MOTY against Miu at Korakuen to make it believable

>>18590546
That may just be recency bias since that version was around during the time Maki appeared in aew and all those new fans showed up (one of whom was me, and yes, I love MSM)

>>18591545
Trick question, it's Moka.

>>18591682
solid reason. if not daisy monkey then who?

>>18591706
kek me too

kwab msm fans are false tjpw fans

>>18591653
I remember when she wanted to get plastic surgery, and she said the consultation she had with the doctor made her realize she liked how she looked after all and didn't want to change anything. I think even the doctor was like "Are you sure you want surgery?"

>>18591754
Many such cases

>>18591754
they keep getting exposed

>>18591706
I showed up when Shida wrestled Hikari Noa and Thunder Rosa wrestled Miyu. None of these 4 are wrestlers I care much about these days.

>>18591662
beautiful elderly woman

>>18591754
Azusa won

>false tjpw fans
this fag thinks he's saying something

Kamiyu with the giga face turn, finally calling out that marigold ace dude for basically posting full matches on X

kek hes still seething

Embarrassing display from MSM fans

>>18591756
https://www.threads.com/@himawari.tjpw/post/CyuaUJxvQOC
>I went for a consultation about getting maibotsu, and she asked me have I really never had any plastic surgery before? I was told that the inner corners of my eyes and the Mongolian fold don't look Japanese at all! She said I already have naturally beautiful double eyelids, and even though she was a customer service representative, the beautiful lady praised me in various ways, boosting my self-esteem! So I came back thinking, well, maybe I'm fine with these eyes as they are. Do they really hire people like that for free consultations?!

It was maibotsu double eyelid surgery which made no sense because she has a pretty well defined upper eyelid crease already. HIMAWARI, like most joshi, is just kinda dumb outside wrestling.

>>18591858
I will always love this woman

>>18591662
I want the wedding venue shows back solely for the dressup meetos after

>>18591103
1. Take the sheep first
2. Go back for the sunflower
3. Take the sheep back across leaving the sun flower by itself
4. Leave the Sheep and take the fox
5. leave the fox with the sunflower and go back for the sheep

>>18592003
need to see misao in a wedding dress next time

>>18591976
queen of banger tweets

>>18592021
I'd have keked if she called him a cuck

I have impregnated Moka pkayer

>>18591955
She may not be the smartest, but I still love her and will support HIMAWARI player and her perfect eyelids

hes still posting her

>>18592667
Does anyone remember the match where she was dressed up like Hyper Misao. i want to rewatch it but cant remember what show it was.

The locker room is falling apart.

>>18592899
hype 1

Uta should do gravure

Why was Hype 1 so much more interesting than the others, with so much more variety?

>>18593225
Rika ghostwrote most of it while Misao was having a nervous breakdown

>>18592908
not really

>>18593225
Hype 1 was the funniest and had Shoko vs Yoshihiko

kiso should be the mc of hype 4

>>18593309
He's too humble. He'd never do it.

>>18587308
I like when Misao mimics her opponents.

>>18593243
Well that explains it

>>18593408
hyper meowsers

>>18593418
Is that Rika?

>>18593499
its the ace

poopity

new thread
>>18593567