Thread 18653733

NJPW used to be the most respected wrestling company in the world, and now they're an AEW feeder league. The saddest thing I've ever seen.

>>18653733 (OP)
njpw just did 19k at o2 arena for forbidden door ya lil bitch
njpw motherfuckin won with this partnership
they are swimmin in tony's money right now

>>18653733 (OP)
Forbidden Door brings them more money than Wrestle Kingdom every year. So if they do slightly lower numbers for G1, it doesn't matter. Forbidden Door means everything to them.

>>18654211
Ok but how does that discredit them being AEWs bitch? If anything it just confirms it.

>>18653733 (OP)
>There's room for only one Con in the wrestling business

>>18653733 (OP)
They hitched their wagon to a dead horse

>>18654221
If being AEW's bitch brings them more profit then they will happily put the collar on and wag their tail for them. The alternative is breaking the partnership and getting raped by AEW as AEW keeps plundering all their talent.

>>18654198
OP made some bubblin in dublin

>>18654241
>Inoki died for this

>>18653733 (OP)
AAA didn't break any attendance or viewership records what are they talking about

When did AAA break their 8.2m viewership record from 2019?

>>18653733 (OP)
REVENGE FOR FUCKING WITH ROH BACK IN 2014

>>18654241
Oh hey, tna is doing the same thing.

>>18654307
Inoki was a pussy who is burning in hell as we speak

>>18654520
AEW has signed more talent from TNA this year than WWE

NJPW is AEW Japan now
The only reason they exist is to groom future AEW wrestlers
Gabe, Tsuji and Yuya will all be in AEW

>>18653733 (OP)
The thing here is that NJPW can't create new stars. In a way, AEW did them a favor by taking Okada or Assplay because they're already on the sunset of their careers. NJPW doesn't have new stars to respond to that, and even if they were still there, do you think they would've kept the pace? Hardly.

>>18653733 (OP)
g1 doesnt matter anymore
forbidden door is njpw's wrestlemania

>>18654537
And wwe had signed more people from New Japan this year than aew.

>>18654549
They would probably book them better considering yuya got the win for his team yesterday.

Watch NOAH

>>18653733 (OP)
>NJPW used to be the most respected wrestling company in the world
You can't be serious. When was this?

>>18654567
>forbidden door is njpw's wrestlemania
How many NJPW performers were in matches?

>>18654522
nah you are

>>18654198
there were like 3 njpw guys on that card.

>>18654591
Oh yay. He won a multiman match on the pre show. So what? It's not like he's never won a match in new Japan before.

>>18654791
2013-2018

>>18654583
samoans arent "people"

>>18654198
>WWE has record profits...
>THAT DOESN'T MATTER DRONIE IT IS A SLOPPY SHOP!!!!
>NJPW is drawing the lowest number of fans in 10 years...
>SO FUCKING WHAT DRONIE THEY ARE SWIMMING IN TONY'S MONEY THEY WON!!!!

This is what happens to your brain on AEWtism

>>18655031
all of that is true tho
just coz ya used greentext and some exclamation marks doesnt change the fact that tony and shad khan have more money than wwe
the infinite money glitch is motherfuckin op
you cant beat big tone

>>18654818
Incidentally, this comment gives me more hope than the one you responded to.
It shows that Bushiroad is wising up and doing less with AEW now.
The fact that the only Stardom representation was Bozilla, who's only been there a few months and is presumably heading to AEW anyway, was a bit heartwarming as well.

>>18654827
Correct
>>18654791

>>18655238
>you can't beat big tone
But picrel can

>>18653733 (OP)
>NJPW used to be the most respected wrestling company in the world
LOL never

>>18655284
Shows what you know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du6--Y3Y4p0

>>18653733 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
NJPW?
THIS IS WHAT I DO TA NJPW!!!!
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

>>18655317
kek

>>18655317
The OG IWGP Champion looks down at you from his perch in heaven with shame and heavy judgment.

>>18653733 (OP)
New japan is failing because of a combination of gedo being a shit booker, and the Japanese economy being in the gutter so they lose their talent to foreign promotions

>>18655317
OH NONONONO
NJPW got NASH'd in summer of August 2025

>>18655350
>and the Japanese economy being in the gutter
Incidentally, this is why *some* inflation is good.
Most economies aim for around 2%. When you don't have at least a little inflation, you don't have pressure for the types of investments that lead to economic growth.
Japan hasn't had inflation since the 90s.

>>18655317
>PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

>>18655370
>no henare in g1 this year
finally realized why g1 35 was better than it had been going back to 2020, even with shit booking

>>18655387
he kwabd himself for ospreys cage match lmao
what a fuckin dumbass
osprey is probably making 100x more money than this moron now

>>18655317
why are you doing this
why do you hate njpw so much

>>18655431
>why are you doing this
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
I LOVE PLAPPIN NUJAPAN
>why do you hate njpw so much
PLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAP
IM GONNA CUM ALL OVER YER IWGPPPPPP

>>18655449
Why do you jack off to a men's company?

>>18655449
oh nonononono
nujapan's asscheeks are gonna be sore after than one

>>18655449
1992 Nash'd em

>>18655449
kek
nujapan has lost its soul and respect
now its aews fucktoy
aews cumslut
aews bitch

>>18654549
Tony believes in the young guys of NJPW more than NJPW does considering some recent comments Tony made.

>>18655833
>noooo people wish talented workers would stay with a company they want to watch, not jump to a trash company where they're inevitably going to be lost in the mix!
I don't care how much money any of these people make.
They're my monkeys. I just want them to entertain me. If a wrestler I support moves to a company I'm never going to watch, he's no longer a "wrestler I support."
AEW can hire the entire NJPW roster and I'll never watch it because it's just not the type of pro-wrestling show I enjoy. Same with WWE.

>>18655926
Based

>>18655926
Fuck you bitch. I'm not your monkey. Now that I know what you "Shin Nihon fans" are like, I'm signing that Tony deal right away. I'MMA FUCKIN MADMAN YA KNOW!

>>18656180
Obviously you're an exception Gabe; you're destined to grab that brass ring just like Hogan
It was bound to happen sooner or later

>>18653733 (OP)
No, NJPW was only liked by smarks because smarks get their opinions from Meltzer, the moment Meltzer started saying AEW is better than NJPW is the moment smarks stopped caring about NJPW

>>18656241
Sadly true in a lot of cases although I don't think we're all smarks.
I don't care about Meltzer. I don't even care about workrate. I'm just autistic and like my wrestling to feel like an actual sport instead of a soap opera (not that I've got anything against people who do prefer that, point is enjoy what you enjoy). I watch New Japan because it was what clicked with me when I came back to pro-wrestling six years ago or so. A shitty shadow of its prime like all of wrestling but, hey, it's something to watch.
Wouldn't be caught dead watching AEW though.

>>18655330
that pic represents the only time japan was ever respected

>>18655238
LOL except they don't you retard.
TKO's Market Cap is $36 Billion, 3 times more than Shad Khan's net worth.
And you completely missed the point, because your brain is on AEWtism.
>MAKING MONEY ONLY MATTERS FOR NJPW, WHEN THE FEDBAD DOES IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!

>>18655303
This is a Certified Hood Classic

>>18656284
Based rational take anon.

>>18655238
>doesn't understand the difference between a family fortune with stakes in a variety of holdings and a corporate entity whose every asset exists to operate as part of a well-oiled pro-wrestling machine
Grim.

>>18656292
you wanted ospreay
you didnt get him
you wanted okada
didnt get him
you wanted sasha banks
didnt get her
aew has more money than wwe
>B-BUT MUH TKO
kek you are so cucked that ya dont even realize that dana white and ufc are takin all that money
meanwhile big tone and big shad are spendin it all on a e motherfuckin raped yer brain and yer ass w

>>18656323
>doesnt understand big tone and his infinite money glitch
grimola!!!

>>18656336
LMAO.
If wasn't because WWE couldn't "afford" any of those talents.
It's that they didn't need them badly enough to dish out what they were asking.
None of those names are as big as the top stars in WWE.
WWE could have hired/rehired every person you mentioned. It didn't because, again, they *weren't needed*.

>>18656292
>MUH TKO HAS MORE MONEY ACTUALLY!!
Okay but AEW still has a fuckton more money than your precious lil NJPW. So NJPW will remain AEW's bitch. See you later.

>>18656336
you wanted ospreay desperately
you didnt get him
you wanted okada for years
you dreamed about him
didnt get him
you wanted sasha banks
you begged her to join ya
didnt get her
a e motherfuckin raped yer brain and yer ass w won the free agree war
simple as

>>18656350
this dronie bubblin'
this dronie 'bout ta pop a vein

>>18653733 (OP)
AAA did not broke any records.
The first Triplemania did around 50000.

>>18656365
kek, don't care, still not watching
Same as most people

>>18656377
>gets owned
>meekly tries to save face with "you bubblin'"
Every time.
Concession accepted.

>>18656346
>infinite money glitch
>ask dad for money
So impressive, what a titan of industry lol

>>18655926
This is correct. When people say AEW is good for wrestling because the wrestlers get paid more, that is of no relevance to me. I'm not a wrestler. I don't get paid more. I just want to watch entertaining wrestling, which I don't get from AEW and I used to get from New Japan.

>>18656392
Everytime

>>18656284
I enjoy WWE the most, but I really respect New Japan for what it is, and I keep up with the big shows at least. Sucks they've lost so many big stars, but hopefully they can build some young guys up. They really need to cut off AEW.

Money is one of the biggest issues NJPW has because it isn't like Bushiroad gives them infinite money so doing stuff like Forbidden Door is a bunch of low stakes tag matches for easy Tony Khan checks. As long as NJPW reinvests that money into trying to produce more Young Lions it isn't the worst thing in the world.

>>18656503
The sooner the better because as long as they are tethered to AEW they won't be able to create relevant stars

>>18656503
Nothing wrong with WWE. Sure, WWE's hired talent from other companies over the years. But WWE has always known better than to fish its fishing holes dry - I'm not aware of it ever poaching the entire main event scene of a company, for example.
We all really need to set aside our differences and recognize AEW as a mutual enemy. It's a cancer on the business because it's run by a money mark who sees wrestlers as nothing more than toys to be hoarded. He still doesn't know the business and has no respect for how it's traditionally worked.

>>18656566
It also has the single most irritating fanbase of any brand in the entire world.

>>18656589
Facts.
First they were the obnoxious fans in WWE. Then they left and became the obnoxious fans in NJPW. They worked to bring down wrestling from the inside.
Now they have their own company. And it's nice that they have a containment company. But, sadly, they've moved on to the next stage of trying to bring down wrestling for the rest of us from the outside.
I don't know why they hate wrestling so much but, honestly, I wish there was a way to get rid of them all for good.

>>18656653
I'd like for them to be contained, but they're still obsessed with WWE. It rules their lives. They enjoy AEW primarily out of spite for WWE.

>>18656804
>they enjoy AEW
I agree with everything you said but this

>>18656653
AEW fans are an invasive species.
You used to get great discussions in the NJPW and Stardom subreddits, then the invasives came. Now if you criticise AEW or the "partnership" you get downvoted and dogpiled.

>>18656513
The issue is that when NJPW does produce a good talent, their supposed "partner" swoops in, offers said talent more money, and poaches them.
Look at Gabe Kidd.

>>18657765
Everybody knows you're the one crying lel

Hogwheels melting down in the Stardom general again.
What a miserable existence.

>>18657982
Fuck, from your mouth to God's ears.
I don't go to either of those places much anymore. Stardom sub is a little better than the New Japan one. But bad mouth AEW in the latter and forget about it. Stardom is a crap shoot but I post there sometimes.
SCJerk is the only wrestling sub worth frequenting and, while I used to be somewhat high profile, I haven't posted there in ages.

Can someone explain to me why Hoggers thinks everyone who calls him out is one guy? - >>18658393
>>18658403
It's the same everywhere. They praise AEW for doing all the things that they hated the idea of WWE doing.
>"If WWE gets a foot in Japan, it's over."
>AEW literally destroys the Japanese product

>>18658452
>Can someone explain to me why Hoggers thinks everyone who calls him out is one guy?
It's just part of his schtick. He knows it's bullshit I'm sure.
>It's the same everywhere. They praise AEW for doing all the things that they hated the idea of WWE doing.
That's a big part of what ticks me off.
"Oh, if AEW didn't sign them, they would have gone to WWE."
No they wouldn't have. WWE might have hired one or two. There's no way they were interested in all those guys. And had there been now AEW, they would have stayed in New Japan where I would have been interested in continuing to watch them and they would have made the product I like better.
But they don't do shit to make AEW worthwhile because AEW is dogshit.

>>18658488
What gets me is, why is Bushiroad allowing this?
Why is nobody in NJPW saying anything?
1. Either Bushiroad is inept
2. Someone is lying to them about how big of a deal AEW is
Inoki would've fucking hated this. Same with Baba and Misawa.

>>18654198
Toybox groomers unironically believe this

>>18653733 (OP)
> most respected
Lol, no, it wasn't

>>18654827
Weebs are so fucking retarded

>>18655317
Based
Fuck gook shit, lmao

>>18658512
Honestly, I think they're aware of it and working to fix it but it's hard to back out of obligations.
Look at Forbidden Door. I didn't watch, but, from what I can see, there were only about 12 New Japan guys there and quite a few matches didn't feature any.
What I really find telling, however, is the fact that Stardom only had one performer there: Bozilla, who's been with the company a few months, isn't Japanese, and probably headed to AEW eventually anyways. And like it or hate it but Stardom has more momentum than New Japan at the moment, is in a better position to negotiate (most prestigious women's company outside WWE), and seems to be better protected.
I personally think Bushiroad is pulling back but doing it gradually because, for better or for worse, at the moment they depend on AEW to some degree.

>>18658568
AEW is nothing in Japan, too.
Wrestle Dynasty, the big co-promoted show with AEW, NJPW, Stardom, and CMLL only drew 16K to the 55K Tokyo Dome.
What does that tell you?
Same with the streaming and view numbers on NJPW's Youtube channels. They're all really, really low.

>>18658588
I do wonder if WWE could sell out the tokyo dome with a co-promotional event with NOAH, obviously WWE stars would be the draw since NOAH could barely sell 500 tickets on their own if the booked the Dome.

>>18658631
The supercard that Marufugi fantasy booked would be kino.

Hoggers now in a thread about that NXT kid who liked Bayley.
Where does he get the time?

>>18658631
Don't know if WWE would be a big enough draw either, but I'd honestly start watching more NOAH if they started doing more with WWE and I'm not even really a huge WWE guy.
I like the talent but I prefer Japanese-style shows. So WWE guys working a Japanese-style show would entertain the hell out of me.

>>18658631
They'd definitely do better than AEW, that's for fucking sure.
Just think, if WWE partnered with NJPW, we probably would've gotten Tana's dream match with Cena this year.

Another issue with NJPW is Rocky Romero. What fucking dirt does he have on management?
He's on NJPW, AEW, and CMLL, despite nobody ever once uttering the sentence "I just bought tickets to see Rocky Romero." That's the world's safest password right there.
Fire the cunt.

>>18658792
Yeah, I never got that either. Just seems like a massive conflict of interest.

>>18658775
We would've gotten that, and we would've gotten Gunther as IWGP Champion.

>>18653733 (OP)
New Japan is going through a rough patch, because they've lost all their marketable draws to North America.

They're being mined by AEW and WWE, but at least AEW allows their stars to be in the G1 in exchange, the problem is Japs don't give a shit about gaijin wrestlers unless they're attractive or cool. They have a talent drain right now.

>>18658816
They need to get Darby to do a BOSJ run before he breaks down. It'd be a huge waste not to do it.

>>18658814
Michaels and HHH both wanted Okada, but he turned them down. He was apparently making $2,000,000 a year in Japan and wasn't interested in taking a cut and moving to the US. His wife is also a voice actress and it would've complicated things.
However, if he did go to WWE, he would've been in the Heavyweight title picture with Gunther and Rollins. Nakamura would've been his manager.
Now compare that to the modern day KAIENTAI bitch gimmick he has in AEW's midcard.

>>18658814
Shit, I'd be happy just to have Gunther in the G1.
One of my dream scenarios was for WWE to buy AJPW. It would acquire the rights to all the old AJPW footage from the various entities that own it. Build around that legacy and create a Western style/puroresu hybrid that still had a sports feel but would lean more into theatrics (on a level that Japanese audiences would be comfortable with - not *too* over the top).
The company would still keep the basic structure but you'd have WWE/NXT guys show up for shit like the Champion Carnival and whatnot. And it all could be had for dirt cheap (and there's some pretty solid talent in All Japan anyways, they just lack a big platform to work on).
Always seemed like the best way to infiltrate the market to me.

>>18658792
wasnt he one of the last inoki students? that probably carries a lot of weight with njpw higher ups. he also seems liked by the other wrestlers and hes not out and out hated by fans or anything. i agree with you though and would like him out. hes an awful booker/agent/whatever for me as a fan.

It really angers me, man. I used to love NJPW. Even my 60 year-old mother loved it. She even went to the meet and greet in London in 2019.
We watched every show. Even the Road To shows and the Young Lion matches.
NJPW was so special and it hurts me to see what it's like now.
And the sad thing is I just can't ever see it improving. It's going to lose more and more money/stars and eventually be bought by Khan.

>>18658843
I really love the way they've handled AAA so far. It feels like the fans really happy, and they've gotten tons of new fans already. People always talked doom and gloom about WWE trying to become a monopoly, but AAA is objectively better because WWE bought it, so I'd be perfectly happy if WWE got a little more involved in the Japanese scene. I don't want them to own every company of course. But they're on top for a reason, they know how to run a wrestling company.

>>18658907
>WWE trying to become a monopoly
That's another thing.
How can WWE be a monopoly when AEW has partnered with the biggest companies outside of the US?
They have NJPW, Stardom, and CMLL. The biggest companies in the Japanese and Mexican markets.
Isn't that more of a monopoly?

>>18658843
If you think for one second that Jap audiences would want to watch wrestling school you're an idiot. You don't even get on TV till you graduate the New Japan dojo, Japs wont clap for generic shitters coming out at an All Japan show.

>>18658924
People use the word monopoly to refer to any big company they don't like. People call Disney a monopoly constantly even though they are not a monopoly in any of the many industries they operate in.

>Gedo's been booking like shit since 2017
>But somehow AEW is responsible
latecoming brand warriors sure know what's up, huh?

>>18658924
Well done not knowing what the word monopoly means, retard.

>>18658952
He won "best booker" in 2017, 2018, and 2019.
It wasn't until Khan came along that the WON retards threw the award at him.

>>18658962
In this sense, I don't.
How can WWE be a monopoly? Because it's the biggest brand?
They aren't holding down smaller promotions. They also don't have a foothold in every market unlike AEW.

>>18658512
>why is Bushiroad allowing this?
>Why is nobody in NJPW saying anything?
Because Tony is putting money into NJPW and entertaining their completely retarded desire to have a presence in the west.

>>18659009
He should make them a less primitive app then

>>18659015
If Tony had an app made that worked similar to Wrestle Universe that offered AEW, NJPW, CMLL, and RevPro I'd get a sub.

>>18658989
They have ambitions to become a monopoly, i.e. being the only game in town.

They are trying to buy other companies that aren't in trouble and are profitable in order to achieve market saturation (TNA, as an example) and attempting to sabotage AEW getting a new TV deal. They also are looking to expand NXT territories globally which would kill local indys.

Whereas AEW has reciprocal business arrangements with a couple of companies and bought ROH to use as a development brand, because it went out of business.

One of these things is not like the other.

>>18659056
>They also are looking to expand NXT territories globally which would kill local indys.
I gotta be honest, that doesn't seem like that big a sacrifice.

>>18659039
I'd love if CMLL was more accessible. I've heard it's great, but I've never checked it out because I'm not going to subscribe to their obscenely expensive YouTube channel.

>>18659056
>being the only game in town
Nope. That's internet console war headcanon.
If WWE was the only show in town, pro-wrestling would die. It needs variety. Something no single promotion can offer.
>sabotaging AEW getting a new TV deal
Something tells me that Meltzer broke that story and will use it as a safety net if AEW fails to get one. It won't be because the company is garbage, attendance is low, and they need TBBT reruns to break 600K, no. It was the big bad fed!
AEW has done more damage to NJPW than anything else.

>>18659095
It's very interesting to me that we were told from the first day of the Max deal that you'd be able to buy the PPVs on Max and get a discount on them for being a subscriber, and all this time later you still can't.

>WWE takes four midcarders and Nakamura in the space of a decade
>AEW takes five main eventers, four IWGP Champions, Shibata, and various midcarders in the space of three years
But somehow, WWE worse.

Boy i sure love dronie trannies bringing their dumbfuck brand war everywhere they go.

>>18659180
That's because WWE will always be the bad guys to some people.
Their entire personalities and identities are based on hating WWE. And I say that as someone who doesn't even watch WWE but knows the derangement mentality when I see it.

>>18659215
you only hate it because you get btfo every single time

>>18659215
You sound triggered.
Please calm down. It's okay. The big bad WWE ain't going to hurt you here unless you work yourself up even further.
You're going to be fine.

>>18659237
lol what a fag

>>18659215
>trannies
Have you seen the AEW audience?
If I was to go on Twitter right now and search #AEW, the first profile would have pronouns and mental illnesses listed in their bios.

>>18659243
Sir, you need to calm down.
This is no place for one of your melties.

>>18654198
Why are transvestite pedophiles (aew fans) like this

>>18659255
Yeah okay but we all saw your jerktranny accounts.

>>18659255
Bacon-trailer once used the large tranny audience to explain low dynamite viewership

>>18659288
He's skinwheeling again.

>>18659298
>>18659304
You are severely mentally ill
Please seek urgent medical attention inmediatelly

>>18659304
>bro has his own victimhood terminology
seek help

>>18659304
the most annoying and biggest schizo in the history of this entire website

>>18659338
>>18659319
Please calm down.
You're having a melty and making a scene.

>>18659319
You really like accusing others of being mentally ill, don't you?
You bought a pass, dude. You're terminally online, samefag constantly, and end up talking to yourself in every thread.
Look at the Stardom one. You need help.

>>18659298
Lol, achievement unlockrd
>>18659319
>>18659338

>>18659346
Sir. Sir.
Please stop.
People can see your poor behavior. You really need to relax.

>>18659352
It's an anonymous board, but you're always protective of your image here.
This is one of your tells.

>>18659367
Wheels. Stop.
You're making a fool out of yourself.

>>18659373
>No ur wheels!
Get help.

>>18659376
You're having delusions.
Calm down.

>>18659387
How do you have the time to flood the board each and every day?

>>18659423
>no u
Please don't make this harder than it needs to be.
Someone mentioned WWE and you're worked into a melty. I get it. But this board really needs you to mellow out. Can you try that?
Breathe. Slowly. In four breaths, hold four breaths, out four breaths, hold four breaths.
It's going to be okay.

>>18659443
>Hoggers again copying the material of others
>melty
Oh dear.

>>18659457
Have you calmed down yet.

You're both fucking wastes of life that would be better off dead lmao

>>18659465
Have you lost weight?

>>18659474
Hoggy, this is serious. This isn't the time to be flipping out.
Are you calm yet.

>>18659443
>>18659465
>>18659474
One guy, a pass, and two devices.
Sad!

Hoggers. This isn't going to work if you're going to keep having a melty.
Calm down. For your own sake.

>>18659495
You're acting mentally unwell, Hoggy.
Please come back to reality for the rest of us.

>>18659474
>>18659488
What we have here is Hoggers arguing with himself and trying to derail/kill the thread.

>>18659515
Well, yes, but the problem is that you're Hoggers, you saw mention of WWE, you're melting down hard, and you're having a giant disgusting schizo melty.
You need to breathe. Breathe for me. Calm down. It's going to be okay.

>>18659528
Well, no, schizo. I'm not Hoggers. We were having a great discussion about NJPW before you came in and started trying to derail the thread.
Get the Batista figure out of your ass.

>>18659546
Honest to god don't know what it is with some people around here.
Back to the subject at hand. I think we can agree AEW has damaged NJPW enormously, especially in the wake of its post-pandemic mismanagement.

>>18659572
>pandemic
I think the impact of the pandemic is greatly oversold. Did it affect NJPW? Absolutely. Is it the reason for its decline? Not at all.
Every other promotion weathered the storm. Every other sport recovered. NJPW was the only thing that didn't.
So, what wasn't there before the pandemic but was there after it?

>>18659180
>takes
All those guys signed with either AEW or WWE because new japan can't pay their talent/ they were always going to leave japan. Shibata won't be cleared by new japan for whatever reason. Ibushi burned the bridge with new japan.

>>18659598
Ah, I'm pretty sure you and I have discussed this in the past. I don't disagree with your point of view, just that I think the troubled waters exacerbated the problems with the inept crew at the helm

>>18658488
>That's a big part of what ticks me off.
"Oh, if AEW didn't sign them, they would have gone to WWE."
No they wouldn't have. WWE might have hired one or two.

That literally would've happened dipshit. You drones are hilarious thinking wwe is a paragon of fair and benevolence.

>>18659628
>new japan can't pay their talent
Okada was on a $2,000,000 contract.
It's not NJPW's fault that Khan doesn't know the value of money and offers a bag that they can't compete with.

>>18659644
>That literally would've happened dipshit.
WWE wanted Okada years ago and he turned them down.
What makes you think he'd be willing to give up his position and $2,000,000 contract for NXT?

>>18659644
I don't watch WWE. Don't try to bring me into your console wars.
And no, it isn't. Because WWE didn't need that much talent because it already had plenty of talent of its own. That's what your cope overlooks.
It would have signed two or three at best and the rest would have been stuck in New Japan where they'd be putting on shows I actually want to watch instead of whatever this crap that AEW does is.

>>18653733 (OP)
I’m sure those 200 hicks and 150 Mexicans enjoyed watching puppets and rest holds. Maybe next year they’ll get 300 people to tune in.

>>18653733 (OP)
>With this character's death, the threads of prophecy have been severed. You may load a saved game, or persist in this doomed world that you have created.

>>18659572
Nah, Gedo's booking hasn't changed one fucking bit. The only difference is that there's some terminally online retards trying to drag this shit into their eternal brand war.

>you're not allowed to criticise AEW or their partnership with NJPW
Is this the NJPW subreddit?

>>18659757
kek, feels like it sometimes

>>18659663
Because now Okada knows turning down WWE was a mistake.

>>18659757
>>18659814
you jerktrannies sure know a lot about reddit

>>18659815
Not an AEW fan so don't take this the wrong way, but do you think so?
I think he just grabbed that bag and that's all he ever really cared about. I could be wrong but it feels to me that he just sold out.

>>18659844
Come off it, most people who post here post on Reddit.
There's no point in pretending otherwise.

>>18659858
And that's why things went into brand warring dogshit. All of you fags need to pack up and get the fuck out.

>>18659865
What in fuck's name are you even talking about.
Seriously, just shut the fuck up. You're embarrassing yourself. If you don't like the thread, hide it and move on with your life.

>>18659851
Okada's making big money in AEW but did he really plan on being a midcarder? If he had ambitions of being famous in North American then he must be really fucking disappointed right now.

>>18659886
You are a reddit tranny, now and forever.

>>18654522
He was a Muslim after all.

>>18659897
No one asked.
Now fuck off.

>>18659893
Yeah, I can see that.
Part of me admittedly wondered if Tony was just doing New Japan a solid by keeping him on ice until they can afford to pay him his old salary again. Still, that's doubtful. And I find it pathetic that the ace would desert the company in its time of need; not sure I'd forgive him even if he did return.

>>18659280
Imagine being a person who confronts reality, good or bad, head on. Now if you want to understand an AEWtist just imagine the opposite.

>>18660040
kek, that explanation is as good as it gets

>>18659465
Are you trying the "breathe" gimmick again because that shit was not over lol

I watch WWE religiously, but I also keep active subscriptions to NJPW World and Wrestle-Universe. I want there to be as much money flowing into the wrestling business, but not into the hands of Tony Khan, as possible. I don't know how much my $9.99 a month will help New Japan defend themselves from poaching, but I can at least try.

>>18660518
>brings up the Hogwheels drama after it finally died down so the thread could continue normally
Are you retarded or something?

>>18660694
What do you get with NJPW world? I've seen a couple shows but never followed the product outside of YouTube and live shows

>>18659757
That subreddit hates AEW, it's the AEW redditors that try to jump in and deflect criticism.

>>18660714
Let me guess, you're Hogwheels and you're oinkin' because someone reminded you of something retarded you did?

>everyone excluded hardcore AEW cultist hate AEW
Bruh, Tony seriously need to fix this shit, it's honestly not good for business. Shahid's money can not save him forever.

Damn shame what tonican did to nooj

>>18656392
ya bubblin tho

>>18660870
You just get all the shows they do, except for occasional PPVs which are confusingly less important than the shows that are included with your subscription.

>>18663350
Ty anon

>>18653733 (OP)
New Japan is not too good right now