Thread 18729654

How does he sleep at night knowing he ruined the greatest heel turn of all time, and nearly ruined John Cena's retirement run altogether?

>>18729654 (OP)
if they followed his booking this year and not gaytch's WWE probably wouldn't be boring dogshit right now

>>18729654 (OP)
very well, knowing he was right
>>18729660
that part

>>18729654 (OP)
Don’t talk about a future Oscar winner like that. He is more important than a shitty retirement run that probably won’t even be his real retirement.

>>18729660
Yeah it would've been so great if Cody had turned heel after one week of build.

>>18729674
I mean it might have been interesting, which is more than you can say for the current product

He's probably very tired from the AIDS

>>18729654 (OP)
Rock not showing up shouldn't be grounds for ruining anything. If it does, it means Cena is fucking shit and can't do stuff on his own.

The person who ruined Cena's heel turn was Cena himself with his shit delivery, not believable antics, cartoonist segments, and even worse matches. Gaytch ended up burying with no story but the biggest weight that caused the downfall was Cena and only Cena.

>>18729654 (OP)
A little bit of Teremana Tequila gives you a great night of sleep every night.

>>18729654 (OP)
he was the only interesting part of it, not really his job to make sure john cena has a good retirement run. plus cenas whole angle on the retirement run was that its suppose to be boring as shit, plain text

>>18729654 (OP)

he wasn't there for Hogan's heel turn, though?

>>18729696
If he shows up at Elimination Chamber as a major part of this story, then yes it is his job to see it through to the conclusion.

>>18729654 (OP)
On a big pile of money with 12 year old boys.

>>18729654 (OP)
Peacefully knowing he’s going to get an Oscar and the obese smarks who tried to ruin his career like they do with every wrestler that doesn’t like a dork failed again

>>18729717
kek who tried to ruin his career?

He was the catalyst for the turn and the fact he wasn't around made it less effective, hell he could've literally phoned it in with him bossing Cena around and threatening his Hollywood jobs before Cena just said fuck it and turned back babyface

Rock needed to be there to carry Cena's heel turn with his presence, because John Cena isn't that good.

>>18729714
Many are saying this

>>18729726
>he could've literally phoned it in with him bossing Cena around
Nigga could've even "brought it via satellite", would have been a great callback to what Cena said about him during their past feud
There was so much good shit they could have done, man

>>18729731
It's actually because he was clearly set up as the mastermind behind the turn, and was a very important part of the story until he decided he didn't want to be part of it anymore. To say it's anyone's fault other than Dwayne's is pure cope.

>>18729713
not his job when he can go off and do bigger and better things. the wwe doesnt own him like it does those other schmucks.

>>18729749
If he couldn't commit to seeing the story through, he never should've been part of it to begin with. And from what we know, he wasn't going to be until TKO leadership was wanted to boost ticket sales for that one PLE. People try to use this story to say Triple H is bad at running creative when this is the story he had the least control over.

>>18729756
he didnt need to be apart of it. wwe wanted him cause they literally had nothing else to engage fans with. not his fault if they cant make anything interesting without him. tell me youve never had a job without telling me

>>18729756
I'd say all are at fault but Rock definitely gets the brunt of it.

>Tickets low for EC, TKO ask Rock to show up to boost tickets
>He agrees, pitches the "I want your soul" angle
>Rock wants Cody to turn heel, pretty much everyone says its a bad idea
>Rock backs down and pitches Kevin Owens instead, even worse idea as KO just had a months long feud with Cody which he lost (plus he got injured a week or so before EC anyway but they didn't know that yet)
>Cena is suggested, all are happy
>Cena turns, one of the best segments ever
>Rock leaves, saying its their story now
>Cena is missing for weeks, when he does show up its just YOU PEOPLE
>Rock isn't even brought up until about a week before WM and its a throwaway line

At best, HHH sabotaged the story to politick against Rock and at worst, he, Cena, the writer's room and others couldn't come up with anything good.

>>18729777
Cody turning heel would genuinely have been one of the worst decisions in the history of wrestling. Rock should be embarrassed for even thinking that, let alone saying it out loud. Cena turning heel was absolutely incredible in the moment, but what everyone was excited about was to see this storyline develop. But it turns out they didn't really have a story. It was really unacceptable, and I think they did the best they could under the circumstances until they decided to just make Cena a good guy again, which doesn't make much sense in the story, but was clearly the correct choice at this point.

I hope the lesson that's been learned is that TKO shouldn't be interfering in storylines.

>>18729674
CAWDY and Cena heel turn was never part of The Dwayne plan. He love to play it safe.

>>18729777
>>18729817
>CAWDY heel turn
HHH and Bruce raise their hand as the one responsible for Cena heel run and CAWDY possible heel turn. Dwayne plan was Cody have a program with him and KO as his henchman and then someone else when KO got hurt.

>>18729654 (OP)
>>18729674
hhh suggested turning cody heel, bruce came up with the cena heel turn. Rock suggested having kevin owens win the belt which was actually a decent idea. rock did nothing wrong.

>>18729654 (OP)
>How does he sleep at night
On a pile of cash surrounded by Pilipino boys

"ruined the greatest heel turn"

It either works or it doesn't brother there is no ruining it.

>>18729654 (OP)
he ripped off his fellow hawaiians after the fires, he'll sleep just fine over fake fighting

>>18729654 (OP)
>the greatest heel turn of all time

>>18729926
it didn't work because dwayne dipped out
i wouldn't say "ruin"
i'd say "sabotaged" because he knows cena's heel work would have been better than the final cuck

>>18729660
Winning an Oscar will be the leverage Rock needs to fire Paul

>>18729654 (OP)
He'll just beg Triple H to hire more of his cousins to make up for it

>>18729654 (OP)
your surrogate father Papa H is to blame for how horribly booked Cena's run was btw

>>18729839
tell me you did not just get worked by wwe's fake behind the scenes show
rock wanted cody heel, everyone was against it. in no reality would kevin owens main event wrestlemania over some combination of cody, cena, roman, or rock.

this dog shit show might actually be a brilliant idea if they can easily manipulate people into thinking "this was the REAL backstage story" lmfao

>>18730073
>Y-you got work
>Yup, and your source?
>trust me bro!
Yeah, yeah, we trust you, bro, lol.

>>18729722
The Cody crybabies, jealous white incels, testosterone haters and heartbroken edrones that take it personally whenever anyone moves on from the fed

>>18730121
Papa H would never lie to you.

>>18729756
If triple h booked anything compelling on the road to EC (which he had an entire year after Wrestlemania 41 to do so)- TKO doesn’t need to push the rock panic button, I know you’ve decided to fall on this sword of defending Levesque to the end but it’s a bad hill to die on- Rock’s about to win an Oscar and send him packing, WWE is flatlining and in a bad spot creatively and we are far removed from Cena’s heel turn

Levesque ain’t the guy and you hitched your horse to the wrong wagon, you got Cody Rhodes, you got no Vince- this is the result, stop looking to blame others and accept that what you thought was hot was actually not that impressive in the grand scheme of things

>>18729654 (OP)
Sharks don't sleep

>>18729683
Problem with that is the order to beat Cody's ass at EC came from Rock after Cody told Rock "Go Fuck Yourself!".

Plus there is the actual reason he gave, which would've worked back in 2006 when they really started booing him, not on his retirement tour where they want to see him win the big one one more time.

What exactly is Levesque projecting for WM 42?

Reigns vs Rollins (zero buys)
Brock vs Gunther (not a real dream match)
Cody vs Punk? (we need to stick some stars together and we haven't done this combination in this era)
Kevin Owens vs Sami Zayn Part 17??
The likes of Drew Mcintyre, LA Knight, Jey Uso, Bron Breakker, Jacob Fatu, Damien Priest, AJ Styles are just going to be in midcard matches that won't move the needle one way or another
Women matches are PR filler for the brand
Cena's supposedly retired by this point


Let's blame Dwayne again for WM 42.

>>18730172
>Rock’s about to win an Oscar
He is not wining Oscar, he simply show that he can act and everybody be like "See? he can act if he try". I'm still confuse where this "He gonna win Oscar!" come from.

>>18730211
>I'm still confuse where this "He gonna win Oscar!" come from.
his PR team pushing it out there + willing marks that get excited by a pigeonholed actor or outsider having a breakout "legit" role. It often happens with comedians (Jim Carry, Sandler, Robin Williams)

cena sucks and deserves it

>>18729654 (OP)
>he greatest heel turn of all time

Turning cody heel is the right thing to do, i genuinely am curious what the next year for a babyface Cody looks like, people don't even talk about his run as champion KEK

>>18730161
>Papa H intetionally made himself look like a retard by taking claim for the heel turn

>>18729683
>Rock not showing up shouldn't be grounds for ruining anything. If it does, it means Cena is fucking shit and can't do stuff on his own.

This. 100 times this. So WWE runs with the joke of pushing Cena as “the greatest of all time” all of a sudden these last couple years but he can’t carry HIMSELF through a program and figure out a way to make it work? It’s Rock’s fault that Cena can’t hold his own weight and HHH was clueless as a booker?

>>18729777
Anon. It IS their story. Rock was asked to come back to boost EC numbers and nothing more. Any angle putting the brunt of the blame on The Rock HAS to acknowledge that it’s CENA’s run where HE goes out and performs and HHH is the one who books it week to week. It has to acknowledge that Cena and HHH needed their hands held and to be walked through/carried by a post retirement run Rock because they don’t know how to get their program over the way they want it.

>>18729654 (OP)
Dwayne already couldn't sleep because he kept dreaming about Pat Patterson. It won't be long until he comes out and tells the world that he got raped so Hollywood will give him a pity Oscar.

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