Thread 19033682

>This match didn't have heat, it had reactions.
>It wasn't the best wrestled match, it was more of an exhibition of moves.
>One wrestler texted me and said it's like kid's video games. I'm gonna do all these finishers.
>If other people had done this exact same match, people would be fuming at them.
BIG DAVE FROM THE TOP!

Yeah but I liked it

>It wasn't the best wrestled match, it was more of an exhibition of moves.
That's 95% of Dave's five star "classics".

>>19033687
Name one non-WWE match he rated highly that was finisher spam like this.

>>19033682 (OP)
Maybe it's because they've earned this status to do a tribute match to all of the legends, Dave
Fucking autistic Jew bitch

Dave is right. It is a 4.25 at best.

>all the dronies thinking dave was going to give this 10 stars because they did 57 finishers
I'm afraid I have some BAD NEWS

>>19033682 (OP)
>This match didn't have heat, it had reactions.
It had louder crowd reactions than 99.9 percent of matches ever and the point wasn't 'heat' it was two legends going at it one more time and giving a showcase.
>It wasn't the best wrestled match, it was more of an exhibition of moves.
>One wrestler texted me and said it's like kid's video games. I'm gonna do all these finishers.
>If other people had done this exact same match, people would be fuming at them.

The kids video game patter is literally what cole was saying on commentary. He just stole that from wwe

>>19033732
Fucked that up bigtime
>This match didn't have heat, it had reactions.
It had louder crowd reactions than 99.9 percent of matches ever and the point wasn't 'heat' it was two legends going at it one more time and giving a showcase.
>It wasn't the best wrestled match, it was more of an exhibition of moves.
They executed everything amazingly with tons of charisma and actually did the match in response to the crowd, probably one of the best 'called it in the ring' matches ever.
>One wrestler texted me and said it's like kid's video games. I'm gonna do all these finishers.
Only a jealous loser would text Meltzer that.
>If other people had done this exact same match, people would be fuming at them.
Yes, nobody else is Cena or AJ about to end their careers and coming from two different worlds and testing themselves in one final bout on a big stage and delivering to fans who spent decades watching them.

People let it slide because its WWE. We saw it with TNA, we saw it with all the WCW revisionism and we see it with AEW and the indies. Anything not WWE is scrutinized and critiqued for the slightest of faults whereas WWE can be dogshit or sloppy or guilty of the same shit and get a pass.

Of course the match sucked because that fucking traitor bitch AJ Styles WON'T BECOME ALL ELITE. WHY THE THE FUCK DON'T YOU COME HOME TO AEW YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.

>>19033682 (OP)
Alvarez said it was amazing

>>19033682 (OP)
I wonder who the lame jabroni wrestler is whose first instinct is to consult dave on a match.

>>19033772
Alvarez said it was "a love letter to pro wrestling"

>>19033751
People let it slide because it was great and thry enjoyed it as opposed to smarks telling themselved they like the shit in other promotions that draw a fraction of the fans.

>>19033687
In WWE, yeah
>>19033732
>It had louder crowd reactions than 99.9 percent of matches ever
Lmao that crowd was mid. Edrones are pathetic

>>19033682 (OP)
>This match didn't have heat, it had reactions
If Dave actually said this, after every last AEW heatless bullshit piece of shit "7 star classic" without a story, then he's somehow found a way to be even more of a joke than he's always been

THAT CROWD WAS HECKIN MID OKAY??? GO LOOK AT MY MEME FED CROWDS WITH 1K PAID AND 600+COMPED TICKETS AND HOW THEY HESITATE TO STAND UP UNTIL OTHERS DO SO TO REACT TO LE EPIC SPIDERMAN POSE!
k

>>19033809
who raped you?

>>19033682 (OP)
>one wrestler texted me

>>19033804
Wow you’re really mad people who actually like wrestling don’t salivate over jangling keys meme match bullshit, huh?
There is no way to enjoy this match if you aren’t an edrone. Miz and Wyatt tribute spots? Lmao fuck off

>>19033814
TK

>Miz tribute spot
>MIZ TRIBUTE SPOT
>M I Z

>>19033832
based tonedog

>>19033839
>>19033844
Raped pedophile mental illness on display right here btw

>>19033845
turn your monitor on

>>19033682 (OP)
Not every match has to be a certain way. To me it was refreshing since it is rare a match like this happems in the fed. Now if they did these kind of matches more often, it would be very annoying and lose it's novelty.

STOP
ENJOYING
WWE

>>19033845
What's the matter? Afraid to type a certain word? A name perhaps?

KWAB

>>19033857
>To me it was refreshing since it is rare a match like this happems in the fed.
how long ago was cena vs cody? they literally did nothing but finishers too

>>19033829
>don’t salivate over jangling keys meme match bullshit
You sound like you're stinky

>>19033862
This pedo is hallucinating right now

>>19033682 (OP)
>Wrestlers do wrestling moves to each other in a match both are trying to win
>"N-NO!!! This is actually bad! You HAVE to hate it! You MUST!!!!"

Why do finishing moves not finish a match when a different wrestler does them? Doesn't that devalue the finisher?

I want to hear what Cornette thought about this.

>>19033772
>>19033775
they’re a pair of tweeners but chico has always been the more face leaning of the two and dave more heel. his recent gushing over jevon evans also shows this.

>>19033871
>posts a match that literally had more psychology and a spot to demonstrate it
>that no one was also calling the greatest match of all time
on a fundamental level, edrones cannot understand and do not actually enjoy wrestling.

>>19033946
That's a spot that demonstrates that gAyEW is retarded shit for faggots, like you

>>19033862
Yes we learned that typing your birth name is an autoban, we can still call you crippled t, hogwheels, pigfucker, trev, fat retarded crippled pedo, nephew raper, the list goes on.

>>19033694
the bucks vs swerve and ospreay at all in. One of the bucks kicked out of a tombstone stomp combo for christ sakes. I stopped watching the stream after that bullshit match. Now cry and act like it wasn't, ya fucking retarded shit eating cultists

>>19033952
>tombstone stomp combo
Uh whose finisher is that?
Reminder the webm you retards keep posting every week shows them hitting power moves and the spot ends when Ospreay and Swerve finally hit their secondary finishers, which the Bucks sell. Styles kicked out of Cena's finish 5 minutes in to the match and Seth kicked out of the super cross rhodes the first time it was debuted on the same show kek

>>19033682 (OP)
Meltzer doesn't like it when a match is actually good. What else is new?

>>19033946
You have no idea what wrestling is. It scares and confuses you when you see it. You like to watch morons do poorly conceived cooperative gymnastics routines and you think that's wrestling. It isn't.

>>19033952
>>19033952
Whose finisher is a tombstone stomp combo?

>>19033975
>he posted it!
lmao

>>19033946
>the psychology of gummy bears
AEWtists are an embarrassment.

>>19033968
>>19033989
Tombstone is the Undertaker's finish and it should NEVER be kicked out of unless it's WrestleMania.

>>19033682 (OP)
does dave now care about promos/character/build? thought his whole gimmick was just the matches themselves

>>19033968
>Uh whose finisher is that?
um Swerve's mixed with Undertakers? Also that webm was from about 7 mins into a 30 min match where they used all their finishers multiple times. Pushing this narrative that it's only a WWE problem is the most retarded cult narrative you have used yet and it isn't going to make people suddenly stop liking the show no matter how much you cry about it

>>19033992
They really have no shame and would defend any slop that they do in gAyEW

>>19033968
You're seething because everybody who saw Cena vs Styles will remember it for the rest of their lives, including you, but the only time Swerve the Ratings and Shitspreay vs The Young Cucks is brought up is as an example of how not to wrestle.

>>19033996
>Undertaker invented tombstones
edrones everybody
>they used all their finishers multiple times
Nope

>>19033996
Swerve's finish is a stomp to a prone opponent, which creates far more momentum for him and crushes their upper body. Jumping 3 feet onto their ass isn't doing much. There are zero finishers in that webm.

Psychology, dronie.

Yeah Seff vs Cody was the better match.

>>19033682 (OP)
>>If other people had done this exact same match, people would be fuming at them.
this one I can at least agree with

>>19033694
every ospraey match ive seen which is like 2 were just finisher spam

>>19034012
>big move
>lay on the mat for 5 minutes
>big move
>lay on the mat for 7 minutes
>finisher kickout
>make reddit face
>finisher kickout
>make angry reddit face
>finish
just different flavors of slop

>>19034026
Which ones were those? I'll be happy to count the finishers for you. :)

>>19033992
the modern wwe fan couldn't comprehend picrel apparently

>>19034034
You're thinking of Will Shitspray the cripple sadly

>>19033682 (OP)
Based Dave with the top tier take...very common!

>>19033732
>>One wrestler texted me and said it's like kid's video games. I'm gonna do all these finishers.
fucking KEK, this is exactly what AEW 9 billion star matches are

>>19034007
a skinny fat 5'8 tag team specialist shouldn't be kicking out of a tombstone. Psychology, shit eating cultist. AEW has none. Also you can't say shit because even AJ didn't kick out of the tombstone. argument over.

>>19033687
Actually Dave typically enjoys matches that have story told throughout the match

>>19034068
So he must hate shitty Will Asspray matches then

>>19034067
>WWE KAYFABE IS MY LIIIIIIFE!
lmfao the tombstone has never been a big deal anywhere outside of your gay magic zombie cosplayers, faggot

>>19033968
>Seth kicked out of the super cross rhodes the first time it was debuted on the same show
Is this true?

>>19034082
gAyEW has never been a big deal to anyone except virgins

>>19034006
>>19034007
You're trying to argue whether there was finisher spam or not but it doesn't matter because Ospreay, Swerve, and the Cucks are all terrible wrestlers and their match sucked. Cena vs Styles was based. Die mad about it lol

>>19034047
>retard things he's making a point
>he isn't
Imagine being stupid enough to equate a spot where Stone Cold makes Vince think he's going to murder him with a gun on live television, only to fake him out because of course Stone Cold wouldn't actually go that far which is the joke, with a gummy bear spot where the gummy bears are sold as painful somehow. AEWtists are truly the dumbest motherfuckers alive.

>>19034082
>lmfao the tombstone has never been a big deal
Yeah that's the problem nothing in AEW is a big deal so it's impossible to care
I understand why trannies didn't like this match now. They don't realize what a finisher is they think it's just a normal move. Makes sense they wouldn't find anything special about this match

>>19034103
>retard things he's making a point

>>19034103
>he outright concedes defeat
squashed
>>19034111
japanese wrestlers were using the tombstone as a transition move before your dad was born, zoomer

>>19034068
>Actually Dave typically enjoys matches that have story told throughout the match
No he doesn't. Dave loves it when matches don't tell a story and hallucinates in-ring storytelling that doesn't exist. When matches do tell a story he hates it. Maybe that's because he can't insert his own headcanon when a story actually exists.

>>19034127
>japanese wrestlers were using the tombstone as a transition move before your dad was born, zoomer
Cool. Im not a 50 year old japanese virgin so I don't give a flying fuck

>>19034111
Tiger Driver 92 exists, bitchtits

>>19034122
>>19034127
I didn't concede anything. Why would I? I'm completely right. But judging by your lack of an argument it looks like you just surrendered. Don't worry, I accept it.

>>19034151
>Tiger Driver 92
Nobody knows or cares what that is.

>>19034127
Did these japs ever learn psychology or are they still spot monkeys?

If wrestling has the WWE logo in the corner it's... LE GOOD.
If wrestling doesn't have the WWE logo in the corner it's... LE BAD.

>>19033682 (OP)
I'm pretty sure he'll choose not to rate it.

What did Cornette say?

>>19033682 (OP)
its funny to me that WWE fans always shit on indie wrestling for "being nothing but moves" but whenever matches like these happen in WWE they circle jerk over it

>THE LORE OF THE FLIPS
pretty sure Dave is still butt blasted about the disastrous gAyEW ratings

>>19033713
One guy has only been in WWE for like less than a decade and he's already retiring, the other guy vowed to ruin wrestling with a black serial killer and Roman's retarded cousin and thought he could sweep it under the rug by merely apologizing. These aren't exactly class acts.

>One wrestler texted me and said it's like kid's video games. I'm gonna do all these finishers.
I too heard Wade Barrett say this during the match. Dave's dementia is getting bad if he thinks his closed captioning are text messages

>>19034252
The fans seemed very happy both in the arena and online but I guess if Dave says it’s bad then it’s bad. There has been so much buzz about it in the wrestling community. AEW fans really are bitter their fed is dying.

>>19034202
>the singular AEW fan has been completely backed into a corner and has no argument so he's just blindly seething about WWE now and inventing a cope that the only reason people liked Cena vs Styles was because of the WWE logo in the corner
FUCKING KEK. Cena vs Styles is having tons of praise heaped on it because it was great. You know why nobody's praising whatever the fuck matches happened on Dynamite this week? Because the matches all sucked and none of them mattered.

>>19034226
WWE executes matches like this correctly. Indie shitters don't.

>>19034266
That's because they were in Australia, and if there's one thing WWE can bank on it's for foreign audiences to enjoy literally any slop they put out.

>>19034218
we'll know in a few weeks after "the great" brian last waddles over to the computer and presses upload

I don't get what's there to hate, both guys are retiring soon and the whole match was born for and by the fans, it's so simple >>19033857 nails it down perfectly. Plus this is the closest thing zoomers will have to hogan vs rock.

>>19034414
>and the whole match was born for and by the fans
it was scheduled months before they worked you into thinking you made it happen

>>19034136
t. Complains about things said about Dave instead of what Dave actually says. Sad!

>>19034438
Not wrong but that's not the point, anon.

>>19034356
it was loved worldwide. denying this is denying reality.

>>19033682 (OP)
It's only a finisher if it's your or your opponents move. Otherwise it's just a move. baka a "wrestling historian" should know this

>>19033682 (OP)
He's literally right, it's a jangling keys match. The fact that he doesn't realize this applies to other matches he loves makes him a laughable retard though.

>>19033694
>fixated on the hyperliteralism of finisher or not finisher
Ospreay matches are the same kind of robotic move trades

>>19034650
embarrassing cope
>Cena explained that in his final appearances, he would use the finishers of wrestlers who were influential in his career as a form of homage or "thank you". He called it a way to pay respect to those who shaped his journey.

>>19034068
Only peak NJPW did this effectively. AEW and WWE are overly melodramatic shit that scream the story at you.

>>19033968
>shows them hitting power moves and the spot ends when Ospreay and Swerve finally hit their secondary finishers
Yeah this is fucking awful and if you can't grasp why it's the same kind of dogshit as Cena/AJ just because you're hung up on what does and doesn't constitute a "finisher" by virtue of the wrestler's wikipedia page you're a brainlet.
It's all just you hit me with move to pop crowd I hit you with move to pop crowd. Very dull and replicable wrestling.

>>19034666
>Ospreay matches are the same kind of robotic move trades
Which Ospreay match did his opponent kick out of his finish after 5 minutes?

>>19033682 (OP)
bullshit meltzer didnt say that, he loves aj

>>19034666
>AEW DOES FINISHER SPAM TOO!!!!!
>ok name one
>STOP FIXATING ON LITERALISM!!!
Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooo

>>19034676
I literally typed out
>fixated on the hyperliteralism of finisher or not finisher
and you responded with fixation on the hyperliteralism of finisher or not finisher.
You're a retard that doesn't grasp what I'm talking about is that these matches are structured as similar tastes of sewage.

>>19034679
Kek, you did it too. Brainlet.

>>19033682 (OP)
>If other people had done this exact same match, people would be fuming at them
Isn't that the whole point though? If Gargano and Ciampa did a Austin vs Rock tribute people would be upset but that's because of who they are.

>>19034676
I dont like ospraey I dont memorize which match he did what lmao

>>19034684
>hyperliteralism
make a relevant analogy or quit crying, faggot

>>19034666
satanic trips of truth

>>19034684
the structure of this match was to start hitting and kicking out of finishers after 5 minutes, which Ospreay match is structured that way?

>>19034694
Sorry you're not smart enough to keep up little buddy.
The matches are the same kind of spammy light-selling low-psychology movefests, Cena has been doing this pandering bullshit for years and it's just reaching it's awful, logical conclusion because he's ending his career. WWE in general is plagued with it.
The only difference is the actual moves they do but the matches are the same. You won't understand why that matters, though, because you're hung up on the literalisms.

>>19034708
>The matches are the same kind of spammy light-selling low-psychology movefests
that's not how Ospreay matches flow at all lmao

>>19034707
>fixated on the hyperliteralism of finisher or not finisher
The structure of the match was to start hitting and kicking out of big moves after five minutes and continue trading them with no mind for crescendo or proper selling for an excessive, self-indulgent length of time thereafter. An exhibition of diminishing returns for ADHD clapping seal retards.
That's all post-NJPW Ospreay and it's all WWE main events. Same garbage, you're just too dumb to realize what you're eating because you get hung up on the word "finisher".

>>19034715
Afraid it is little buddy. He's been garbage since he stopped having the proper tard-handling.

>>19034722
>The structure of the match was to start hitting and kicking out of big moves after five minutes
>That's all post-NJPW Ospreay
just making shit up

>guys in aew do a bunch of other wrestlers finishers
>dave: :O
>guys in wwe do a bunch of other wrestlers finishers
>dave: >:(

>>19033687
that Part

>>19034729
I accept your unmitigated defeat and submission.
Watch better wrestling and stop taking gospel from a guy that's watched decades of it yet still doesn't grasp it.

>>19034738
>repeats lies
>gives no examples
>I won!
pathetic and boring

>>19034708
>>19034722
THESE PARTS

>>19034748
>gives no examples
Of Ospreay matches being dull exhibitions of low-tier overly cooperative athleticism?
Go watch his Takeshita matches, they're abysmal dog shit and basically completely interchangeable with Cena/AJ barring the fact that the execution in the former is a little better.

>>19034748
drones are really on one today sadly

>>19033975
>this is the type of shit dave thinks is good while saying cena and aj is an exhibition of moves
Utterly grim. This doesn't even flow well, they move into place for each other the entire sequence. This is fucking horrible.

>>19034777
>drones
>have been calling Cena vs AJ shit the whole time
Make the samefagging after you get squashed a little less obvious, slopslurpa.

wow this guy is absolutely raping the aewtists

>>19033682 (OP)
You know if Kenny Osmegma and Will Offspray did this match exactly 1:1 the dumb boomer zionist shill would have creamed his pants and said it was the greatest match of all time

>>19034807
they basically did in aew
their wk match was great and their aew match was just dog shit

>>19034764
>matches where finishers are countered is the same as a finisher kickout spam match
see >>19033946

>>19034034
Sounds like most of the King’s Road classics desu.

Kobashi and Misawa would be laying around for a whole minute in between spots all the time

>>19034812
>edrone
I called Cena/AJ dog shit repeatedly and you're also fixating on the hyperliteralism of finisher or not finisher
The point is that they're structured the exact same, the fact that one match involves literal finishers and another match involves signatures or general power moves doesn't alter that they're identical in pace or structure. It just means (You)'re too stupid to grasp they're identical because you think in terms of finisher/not finisher instead of actually grasping what you're watching.

>>19034812
>they countered the finisher and did a finisher (big move) before countering the finisher and doing another finisher (big move)
>they countered the finisher and did another big move before countering the finisher and doing another big move
jej

AEWtists for years have said “it’s not finisher spam because this wrestler doesn’t finish matches with that other wrestler’s move” but now it’s bad that Cena did Miz’s move and it didn’t finish the match?

>>19034819
>hyperliteralism of finisher or not finisher
the criticism is about the finisher spam not BIG MOVES retard. Your false analogy failed like all your endeavors in life. Bye

>>19034857
They’re not Cena’s or AJ’s finishers

>>19034857
The criticism is only appliable by retards who get hung up on the literalism of it without realizing they're watching the same shit.

>>19034829
>hee hee if I call different things the same thing, it makes so much sense

>>19033730
it do ne like that kek

>>19034863
>thinks those are different
jej

>>19034858
AJ kicked out Cena's AA 5 minutes in

>>19034882
Okay? Where’s the spam you’re talking about

>>19034900
>obliged to defend a match he never watched
good bitch

>>19034920
>never watched
That’s not what I said at all. The big moves weren’t finishers.

>>19034943
>pardon me, I'm just being disingenuous

>>19033682 (OP)
Why is dave spitting this much venom? So many truth bombs.

This match will be remembered for decades while the latest AEW 5 star bangerino will be forgotten by the time it's over lmao

>>19035020
That part.

>>19033886
Not at all. A finisher is a finisher because the wrestler practices and drills it every day. Just because a move is strong, doesn't mean a wrestler is good at it.

>>19034679
Literally every AEW match is finisher spam except for a handful of super rare squashes that Tony allows once in a blue moon.

lol bryan glazing iyo and asuka and fighting dave while dave humbled him that the crowd only cared for rhea

>>19034943
>The big moves weren’t finishers.
lmfao

>>19035048
we've been asking you to name one for hours lil bro. if all of them are like that then it should be easy to pick one?????

>>19033886
The term finishing move is a bit of a misnomer. The used to be called signature moves because it was the move a wrestler was best known for or executed best. They'd often end a match which is where finisher came from. But just because a finisher is done doesn't mean it's always going to win a match. Especially if a wrestler is using another wrestler's signature move. How many shittily executed Sharpshooters have you seen over the years anon? That should explain that

>>19035070
>we've
You pretending to be multiple people doesn't really count as "we" lil bro.
>name one
Every match on Dynamite and Collision this week except maybe the one with Ibushi snapping his femur. It might have ended before they could get to the finisher spam. I'd see for myself but I have an intact penis so I won't.