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Anonymous No.19164642 [Report] >>19164665 >>19164775 >>19164797 >>19165014 >>19165088 >>19165503 >>19166028 >>19167902
What am I in for? I tried to ask in the Stardom thread but I'm not convinced most people there watch Stardom.
Anonymous No.19164665 [Report]
>>19164642 (OP)
Filler multi person tag slop for two hours then overly formulaic do nothing for 15 minutes then spam finishers and near falls for 5 minutes title matches to end the show
Anonymous No.19164692 [Report]
no one knows because they took most of october off and okada went to mexico and china instead of building the ppv
Anonymous No.19164775 [Report] >>19164785 >>19164923
>>19164642 (OP)
Initially, two good matches for the world title, strong and wonder, however the results are predictable and aim at preparing for the doubles league and the Dream Queendom.
Anonymous No.19164785 [Report] >>19164806
>>19164775
Besides the match between Saki vs Bozilla, which promises to be, at best, entertaining.
Anonymous No.19164797 [Report] >>19164930
>>19164642 (OP)
Momo jobbing
Chubs No.19164806 [Report]
>>19164785
>at best
Nigger the whole point is to be entertained.
Anonymous No.19164923 [Report] >>19165888
>>19164775
Nothing suggests Saya vs Momo will be a good match. They had a title match before and it was ass
Anonymous No.19164930 [Report]
>>19164797
add it to the constants of life
Anonymous No.19165014 [Report]
>>19164642 (OP)
is this the tread?
Anonymous No.19165034 [Report] >>19165427 >>19165483 >>19165525
I wish there was an objective way to learn about some of the big joshi promotions and what sets each one apart
Anonymous No.19165088 [Report]
>>19164642 (OP)
>I'm not convinced most people there watch Stardom
I resent that comment.
Anonymous No.19165121 [Report] >>19165230 >>19165267
>OP thinks people in the general don't actually watch the WWR
>Akirafag feels the need to defend themselves
Lol, lmao
Anonymous No.19165201 [Report] >>19165605
Expect kino
Anonymous No.19165230 [Report]
>>19165121
You're literally obsessed lmfao
Anonymous No.19165267 [Report]
>>19165121
the guy is an insufferable attention seeking cunt
Anonymous No.19165427 [Report] >>19169184 >>19170161
>>19165034
Modern joshi?
You have three main ones: Stardom, TJPW, and Marigold.
Stardom is the one with the matches that get hyped. It has a solid roster of workers, and it's the main events that get praised. Presentation is much like New Japan in a lot of ways, since it's also owned by Bushiroad. It's also the second highest drawing company in Japan after New Japan at the moment, which is really saying something for a women's wrestling company.

TJPW is more like DDT, since it's DDT's sister promotion. Honestly, I think it's what most people think of when they think of joshi wrestling - more focus on silly side stuff than actual in-ring work, frilly costumes, and a higher focus on character work. Everyone is "friends" so they get called the friendly girls. They're known for putting on good shows, but it's not really the most solid matches I've ever seen although they have some solid workers and decent main events. You're more likely to see stuff like giant mascots wrestling or really silly gimmick matches there. I think the emphasis is on fun more than the actual wrestling.

Marigold is a newer company, founded by the guy who founded Stardom. They have two of the top women wrestlers in the world - Mayu Iwatani and Utami Hayashishita. Miku Aono is the current champion and is quite good as well although not as established as those two due to not having worked in Stardom. Sareee also works shows and is solid. The thing with Marigold, though, is that the rest of the roster is either quite green or not very good. What I will say is that a lot of the green talent has quite a bit of potential to become a lot better, and it's more fun to watch with the understanding that it will probably get good someday. Big shows can be fun but you really can't go into them with high expectations.

There are a lot of other smaller promotions as well, like Marvelous, Sendai, OZ Academy, and a few others. These are very small promotions. They tend to be heavily ring work oriented.
Anonymous No.19165483 [Report] >>19165601
>>19165034
Also, if you've never watched the joshi promotions, here's a match and list of some Stardom shows to see if it's too your liking (start with the show and go from there... also remember that opening matches tend to be less experienced workers so you're probably going to be less-than-impressed until a few matches in).

Match:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CvvdjXWPvY

Some shows if that clicks with you (only one has English commentary but they're pretty easy watches without it):

Dream Queendom 2021
https://archive.org/details/stardom-dream-queendom-2021-29-12-21

Stardom 5Star Grand Prix Final 2022
https://archive.org/details/stardom-5-star-grand-prix-2022-championship-battle-01-10-22

All Star Grand Queendom 2023 (with English commentary):
https://archive.org/details/stardom-all-star-grand-queendom-2023-23-04-23

Dream Queendom 2024
https://archive.org/details/stardom-dream-queendom-2024-29-12-24

All Star Grand Queendom 2025
https://archive.org/details/stardom-all-star-grand-queendom-2025-27-04-25
Anonymous No.19165503 [Report] >>19165536
>>19164642 (OP)
they have English commentary, so there's likely to be something big happening
Anonymous No.19165525 [Report]
>>19165034
stardom/sendai have good wrestling
marigold and everything else are stupid porn feds
Anonymous No.19165536 [Report]
>>19165503
They've been upping their English Commentary game in general as of late on non-PPV bigger shows (Walker Stewart from NJPW).
Anonymous No.19165601 [Report] >>19165606 >>19165620
>>19165483
I also really enjoyed Saya vs Tam no Korakuen, even though they "trolled" the result, it was a 5-star match according to Meltzer.
https://www.youtube.com/live/eziVVK8wtJc?si=H1PkWh4o8jO6l15Q
Anonymous No.19165605 [Report]
>>19165201
Absolute Cinema!
Anonymous No.19165606 [Report]
>>19165601
Yes, that one was excellent as well, also a great introduction to Stardom.
Anonymous No.19165620 [Report]
>>19165601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eziVVK8wtJc
Chubs No.19165632 [Report]
Everyone’s finisher is and isn’t some variety of suplex. Did they just hit a German? Sorry that’s not her finisher tonight. See now she’s trying to trap one arm underneath and one arm above that’s her finisher for tonight except her opponent and now her opponent is going for a third variety of suplex wait that hit but it’s not over oh shit the opponent also has a special suplex six twirls a bunny hop two forward rolls squat squat both do a push up and boom German Suplex for the win!
Anonymous No.19165665 [Report] >>19165674
I also enjoyed the QQ vs OT cage match.
https://vkvideo.ru/video-170292261_456242685
8myxh
Anonymous No.19165674 [Report] >>19165784
>>19165665
Excellent recommendation as well.
It amazes me that so many posters that hate on Stardom claim it's just girls singing and being lazy in the ring. You can tell they've never watched a Stardom show in their lives (if I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'd say they might have checked out a TJPW show, which does do that... but Stardom is all wrestling)
Anonymous No.19165784 [Report] >>19165829
>>19165674
Old Stardom used to do that stuff but it stopped around 2018.
Anonymous No.19165829 [Report]
>>19165784
True.
I started watching around the beginning of 2022. I only know Bushiroad-ified Stardom, which is nothing like what accusers claim it to be.
But when some of those people are willing to open up instead of just throwing around insults and namecalling, I can sort of see what they're talking about. They're talking about the company 7 to 10 years ago and never really ever gave it a second glance since then.
I wouldn't have watched old Stardom (don't care if people say it was "better") but current Stardom is quite different. It's just New Japan with women.
Anonymous No.19165888 [Report] >>19165912
>>19164923
That was 3 years ago though.
Momo has always been good and Saya has gotten a lot better. She had less than 3 years of experience that first time - most wrestlers aren't particularly good at that point in their careers.
Anonymous No.19165912 [Report] >>19165933 >>19166060
>>19165888
Saya is the worst person on the roster. Momo Kohgo might be second and Koguma.
Anonymous No.19165933 [Report] >>19166515
>>19165912
Hard disagree.
I don't think she's the best like some simps want to convince themselves, but I'd give her a solid 7 or 8. She earned those 5 star matches she had with Tam and she did most of the work in them, it wasn't Tam carrying her (even though Tam is better in my book).
And like I said, Momo is always good and, in a perfect world, would win.
Anonymous No.19166028 [Report] >>19166039
>>19164642 (OP)
I stopped watching it a few months ago
It just got worse and worse and once Tam left that was my final girl that kept me into it
Anonymous No.19166039 [Report] >>19166310
>>19166028
That's a shame.
It was slow for a month or two after she left but the Five Star Grand Prix was pretty decent.
Anonymous No.19166060 [Report]
>>19165912
The fact that you have a bad opinion based on pure hatred doesn't make things true kek
Anonymous No.19166310 [Report]
>>19166039
If all you care about is banger matches its fine but that's all stardom is now.
The girls pretty much go out there and sawdust themselves into retardation
Anonymous No.19166515 [Report] >>19166546 >>19166785 >>19166808
>>19165933
>7 or 8
kek maybe in Marigay. She's a weak 5 or lower. Matches with Tam were just gimmicky bullshit and both were trash. Too much of nothing going on outside. Can't have a good match when you can't wrestle and you're in a shit group that doesn't let you wrestle anyway. Giving Saya those belts was a major fuck up.
Anonymous No.19166546 [Report]
>>19166515
Who are your current top 5 joshis in the business (Japan-side, of course)?
Anonymous No.19166785 [Report] >>19167123
>>19166515
kek, you live in another reality.
Anonymous No.19166808 [Report] >>19167123
>>19166515
Okay, everyone's wrong, from Meltzer to the Japanese fans, only you, the schizophrenic, are right.
Anonymous No.19167123 [Report]
>>19166785
>>19166808
My guess is he knows just enough about Stardom from joshi threads to throw around names but has never actually watched a show in his life.
Who the fuck throws around Saya, Komomo, and Koguma as the weakest wrestlers on the roster when you've got freaking green rookies at the bottom of the card still learning the ropes.
Anonymous No.19167902 [Report]
>>19164642 (OP)
Yeah, I never go in the general.
Anonymous No.19169184 [Report] >>19169377 >>19169386 >>19171110
>>19165427
>It's also the second highest drawing company in Japan after New Japan at the moment, which is really saying something for a women's wrestling company.
Or, it says more about the sorry ass state of pro wrestling in Japan that a women's promotion that can barely fill high school gyms is #2
Gonna need a citation for this because I'm having a hard time believing it out draws NOAH but if it does that just goes further to proving my point
Anonymous No.19169377 [Report]
>>19169184
I don't know the good sources so I can't throw a bunch at you, but here:

https://wrestlenomics.substack.com/p/how-japanese-promotions-attendance

https://www.backsportspage.com/wrestling-promotion-power-rankings-may-2025/

It's the one company that's actually doing good stuff right now. You guys are sleeping on this this because you want to hate on it and look down on "joshipedos" instead of giving it a shot and you're missing out on one of the only decent companies going at the moment.
They lost two of their top wrestlers (Mayu and Tam), lost a stable leader (Mina), had a few top workers out from injury (Syuri and Maika) and *still* managed to have a strong 5Star Grand Prix Round Robin tournament. It's one of the stronger rosters going right now.
Anonymous No.19169386 [Report]
>>19169184
>Or, it says more about the sorry ass state of pro wrestling in Japan that a women's promotion that can barely fill high school gyms is #2
Meant to add, they don't have problem filling high school gyms. It's Marigold with the attendance problems.
You might see clips of Stardom operating in small gyms at times. That's because they work small arenas sometimes for smaller shows. But they have no problem filling big arenas as well for their big shows as well.

Look at the arena here. That was back in April.
That's not a school gymnasium and was one of the best wrestling shows of the year across all wrestling companies.
https://archive.org/details/stardom-all-star-grand-queendom-2025-27-04-25
Anonymous No.19170161 [Report] >>19170179
>>19165427
This is actually pretty helpful, thank you anon. I especially found Stardom vs Marigold a little confusing because while I knew about Rossy and Stardom talent leaving to form it I wasn't sure if Marigold was doing anything to be set apart from Stardom.
Anonymous No.19170179 [Report] >>19170340
>>19170161
Glad to have helped!
A lot of people shit on Marigold around here. But I personally think they're holding it up to standards it can't possibly meet. I'm watching a Marigold show right this very moment, as a matter of fact, so I'm not a hater but I really wouldn't recommend it unless someone was looking to expand their joshi viewing rather than get into it. It just doesn't have a roster that's going to wow you but that's normal for a small company with a limited budget using whatever talent it can get access to. What it does have going for it is accessibility given bigger shows have English commentary (although Stardom is starting to match that now).
Stardom is the one everyone sings the praises of and says is doing some of the best work currently. Joshi is already niche to begin with but the companies outside Stardom are even more niche, if that makes sense.
Anonymous No.19170340 [Report] >>19170461 >>19170523
>>19170179
I watched last year's December PPV on a whim, and I was very impressed with the last two matches especially, that was Natsupoi vs SLK and Tam vs Saya. They were both so good, but I was so annoyed I couldn't understand what they were saying at the end. I could tell it was very emotional and I wish I could grasp more of the story they were telling, even if it was still impactful.

You know what would be really cool if they could implement AI to translate the promos and put up subtitles. It wouldn't be perfect but it would be good enough. Seems like technology is pretty much there already. Although, New Japan can't figure out how to implement scene selection in their app so they upload each match individually as its own video.

I could actually see Wrestle-Universe doing it though. That app seems pretty modern. Needs to be on more devices though. Still it's better than Stardom which doesn't have an app at all. The wrestling in Stardom is just as good if not better than New Japan, but I think part of why it's such a niche is that you have to jump through hoops to watch it. Both companies need to work on reducing barriers to entry I think.
Anonymous No.19170461 [Report]
>>19170340
Before Rossy was fired, there actually were subtitles on most of the videos for a long time, going back several years. I started watching in 2022 and everything had them. They weren't perfect and some purists complain that you didn't really get a sense of what they were talking about, but I didn't care. They felt coherent and that was good enough.
They tried hosting talking segments on YouTube for a while. It was a major pain in the ass and the AI translations really sucked (the problem with Japanese is that it's so different from English and shades of meaning really matter - it just doesn't really translate well sadly).
Thankfully, like I said, they at least have more English commentary now, although Walker doesn't speak English. Waka and Momo Kohgo are fluent in English and sometimes translate but aren't really comfortable in the roles given they're primarily wrestlers. You're 100% right about the hoops you have to jump through to watch it being a major hurdle (especially at this time when women's wrestling is getting pretty big in the West), but I think it's more a limited resource thing.
And I agree about Stardom being better than New Japan right now. There are people here who will flay you alive for saying that but it's true. Even Stardom's midcard is more seasoned than most of the New Japan roster at the moment. It's not dancing girls and singing songs like it might have been 10 years ago but a really solid wrestling company at this point.
Anonymous No.19170510 [Report] >>19170529
every in ring promo is on the website transcribed in japanese. just use deepl to translate it.the backstage interviews have transcripts too.

https://wwr-stardom.com/report/20251027_4/
Anonymous No.19170523 [Report] >>19170535 >>19170546
>>19170340
Also, some of these shows have English translations but you can only really find them on Stardom World. It's only like $6.
All Star Grand Queendom (best Stardom show of this year) has English translation, it's really worth checking out if you don't mind dropping a few bucks (or the fact that the site is kind of a difficult to navigate mess - I hope they fix that soon):
https://www.stardom-world.com/set/6831?fcid=41
Anonymous No.19170529 [Report]
>>19170510
TIL and I've been watching (and promoting the shit out of) this company for several years now. Thanks!
Anonymous No.19170535 [Report]
>>19170523
>English translation
I meant English commentary, no subtitles on there although Waka translates the stuff at the end.
Anonymous No.19170546 [Report]
>>19170523
Watching ASGQ, then the 5 Star GP (final show has English commentary as well, as do several of the shows after it) is a great primer for getting into Stardom right now.
Like I said, it's around $6 or $7.
Anonymous No.19171110 [Report] >>19171242
>>19169184
>uhh I'm right even if you prove me wrong
What a cope lmao
Anonymous No.19171242 [Report]
>>19171110
I think a lot of them saw the state of joshi maybe ten years ago, saw the rest of the wrestling world decline, and just assumed that Stardom must have declined as well because that's the state of the industry.
Sure, people post a lot of half-naked pics around here and whatnot but people who refuse to give the company a chance really underestimate the sheer talent of some of these workers. You've got gals in their early 20s with 10+ years of solid experience who wrestle like it.