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>2. Marigold: 6,237 (8 shows, 1 w/o reported attendance, 891 avg)
>3. Stardom: 6,147 (13 shows, 2 shows (1 overseas) w/o reported attendance, 558 avg)

>>19203672 (OP)
What exactly do those numbers mean? Is it the buyrate?

>>19203672 (OP)
No title?

>>19203677
attendance you retard

>>19203677
Japanese attendance numbers for October

>>19203683
'fraid not

>>19203693
>>19203698
But doesn't that mean Marigold is not doing so hot then if over half of that number is from one show?

>>19203677
>What exactly do those numbers mean?
its how many kisses your mom gave me (6,237) vs how many kisses your dad gave me (6,147)
nah im just goofing around heh we like to have fun here on /pw/

>>19203672 (OP)
startrannies got mogged

>>19203736
The bigger problem is that it's one show whose main event was driven by a talent who doesn't work regularly for the company. It was a dream match, so to speak.
I watch both and am optimistic on Marigold's long term prospects but joshi console warring has go away heat with me. We have enough people on this board trying to rip on our shit without being at each other's throats.

>reported
stopped right there

>>19203744
Crimson Transmare really that bad huh?

>>19203744
>The bigger problem is that it's one show whose main event was driven by a talent who doesn't work regularly for the company. It was a dream match, so to speak.
That's probably even worse then, considering the attraction of having Iyo in a dream match couldn't draw more than it did.

>>19203744
I think Stardom and Marigold bros can be friends but we've got to gatekeep the TJPW faggots, I mean let's be real.

>>19203770
i dont mind the tojobros. they tend to keep themselves to themselves, theyre fairly harmless really

>>19203744
Well joshi console warring has been turned into a WWE vs AEW proxy war because of Tony Khan

>>19203759
I paid for and watched both. They both were solid shows.
I don't see the point console warring for companies this small when we're trying to gain traction for this thing at all. I kind of suspect anyone who does want it is an anti, since it just gives ammos to the people who hate all this stuff already.

>>19203765
Iyo isn't as huge a star there as she is here. As proven by WWE's show last month, WWE doesn't have a huge following in Japan. She draws based on her previous Stardom work, not her current work. So getting the same number as a Stardom show is quite good, and there were some great matches on the lower card that will hopefully convince people to stick around.
>>19203770
Well, I mean, we've got to have standards. My problem with TJPW is that they come into threads with guys looking to get into joshi, then those guys check out TJPW and think all joshi is just girls singing and dancing, doing silly spots, and doing soft style wrestling.
It's not what most people are looking for.

>>19203806
Sadly true, which sucks because I don't watch WWE or AEW (although the latter has more heat with me for killing New Japan).

>>19203672 (OP)
>trusting Marigold numbers

They're for (Rossy's) entertainment purposes only

>>19203838
Bushiroad numbers ain't much better

>>19203736
No, you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of Japanese attendance figures, Marigold is extremely profitable

>>19203869
We have a lot of retards here who think success is just high numbers.
You can have somewhat low numbers and still be doing well financially. If you're not looking at the overall expenses of the company in question (Marigold has way lower expenses than Stardom) you're only getting a small part of the picture.
All the attendance in the world won't save you if your profit margin is too thin because your expenses are too high. And a small company turning a reasonable profit can grow into a bigger company given time.

>>19203889
By numbers I mean attendance numbers, to be clear.

>>19203869
So could you explain the logic behind paying for IYO which according to Rossy himself is not cheap at all to the point he only does it once a year and the show not even selling out half of the venue being extremely profitable? He can't sell Iyo merch, gravure books, meet and greets etc. pp. for sustainable revenue either. So how does he turn a profit when the attendance bump isn't that great and he seemingly does the big PPVs every 2ish months?

>>19203914
It boils down to what he was charging per ticket versus what he might usually charge or what Stardom charges.
Also don't forget that there's no way Marigold doesn't have far lower overhead than, say, Stardom. Stardom has to pay those wrestlers pretty well to keep them on board. Rossy's roster is full of rookies who are probably doing this part time, with only a few bigger names.
Presentation is also kept smaller, the music is a bit cheaper, there's all sorts of ways to maximize the bottom line.

>>19203929
>Also don't forget that there's no way Marigold doesn't have far lower overhead than, say, Stardom.
I mean that's obviously a fair argument to make, and paying the staff definitely will cost less than Stardom's, but we also can't pretend that people weren't turned off by WWE ticket prices in Japan recently, which impacted the turnout. Now imagine the same for Marigold with all its rookies and matches of varying quality charging an exorbitant amount for one show of the year to try and offset the cost of having IYO wrestle on the show. I'm struggling to see people willing to pay for such a large increase of ticket pricing and I think that Rossy as a business man probably knows that charging your loyal audience out the ass for an important show is probably not a good move. So either the attendance wasn't that great but offset by insane ticket prices or the attendance wasn't great and he barely turned a profit. Neither of those things are good, especially with the result of the match not building up any of his own talent which he could then use to sell merch etc.

>>19203983
Yeah, to be clear, I don't know what the ticket prices were either but I'm guessing they were probably pretty high.
The fact is, we don't know what the ledger numbers for any of these companies actually looks like. It's kind of why I don't put a whole lot of stock in this console war logic of these "look how empty the arena is!" arguments.
For all we know, he might have gotten the attendance he expected and just got a good deal on the venue for that day when he might have otherwise preferred a smaller one. Only he knows how his business is doing.
>especially with the result of the match not building up any of his own talent which he could then use to sell merch etc.
I don't really agree with this. The purpose of having Iyo there was to get eyes on matches like Yuzuki vs Sakurai and Utami vs Aono, as well as on some of the lower card performers. It certainly wasn't a matter of establishing Mayu, who absolutely doesn't need it on the Japanese wrestling scene.
Again, it was one of the biggest shows they've had (the largest? I don't know, I don't follow attendance figures because I really just prefer to watch what's happening in the ring). That's quite a bit of exposure. He might have been willing to take the L in terms of money just to increase the exposure. Sometimes you take a loss to increase future business. Running a business is a marathon not a sprint.

>>19203914
You're not currently talking to me, so I'll answer,
>The attendance figures at sumo hall are very normal, last year Stardom did roughly 4k, this year Marigold did 3.5k, it was one of the biggest sumo hall shows this year
>WWE and Marigold have a deal to sell official WWE merchandise, they were selling signed books and portraits featuring Iyo, and the WWE logo
>If we're talking basic numbers, Marigold made ¥1 Billion during their 1st year according to Shupro ($6.5 Million)
>Even if they paid everyone on their roster $100k a year, which ain't happening, plus venue rental etc, they would still have $3 Million profit
It's a small Japanese indie in it's first 18 months, you can't judge it by American standards

>>19204113
Kek, what a successful startup company!

If Tossy is so successful why was Stardom in debt when Bushiroad bought it

>>19204117
Not everyone gets born on third base and starts with Tony's billions. Most of us just have to work with what we build in this life.
>>19204134
Sometimes even otherwise successful businesses have tight times. How many successful businesses have you run exactly?

>>19204134
uhhh uhhh uhh well you see

>>19204146
Yes, Bushiroad spent the money they did to buy a completely mismanaged company in a niche market run for nearly a decade by a guy who didn't really know what he was doing.
Brilliant logic.

Marigold is a groomer company for chomos.

>>19204193
How do you figure? There's only one wrestle on the roster who's under 18, and she turns 17 next month.

>>19204245
isn't a 15 year old main eventing korakuen vs. mayu iwatani

>>19204149
they already owned a wrestling company so adding another one isn't a big deal since they have the infrastructure

>>19204113
>they would still have $3 Million profit
Sure they did. That is why Rossy waited a year to get a dojo and then got the cheapest place possible with low ceilings and zero clearance from the ropes to the wall. And why he still drives around the country in a mini bus that the roster can't fit into.

>Rossy made 3 million
>Please support our roster as they work at pachinko parlors on their off days to make ends meet and pay 22,000 yen for a buffet with no food.

>>19204262
Who would that be?
Youngest worker on the roster that I'm aware of is Shinno, who turns 17 next month.

>>19204281
some japanese girl who thinks she's mexican

>>19204273
Yes, when you're a small company trying to establish yourself you absolutely keep expenses low. Rossy isn't working with unlimited funds like Tony is.
You can have low expenditures and still be turning a large profit. That's the point of keeping expenditures low until you *need* to increase them.

>>19204193
But enough about Kenny Chomega

>>19204245
A 14 year old girl named CoCo is in the main event of their next big show.

>>19204290
>>19204300
Ah, I don't follow closely enough to know about that. Sounds more like a Japan thing than a Rossy thing though given they don't have a problem with girls that age wrestling.

>>19204292
yea i'm sure they made 3 million profit in 7 months and are slumming it in rural locations where they trick the government into buying a bunch of tickets to give away for free

or they get 42 sponsors on a show (seri's hoemcoming) and force the sponsors to buy tickets [who then don't show up so the arena looks empty].

i wish i was this retarded. life must be easy.

>>19204300
Kenny Chomega main evented shows with an 11 year old Riho

>>19204320
I'm sorry you failed Business 101.
Just because you're turning a profit doesn't mean you have to immediately start increasing expenditures. You keep that shit as low as you can for as long as you can get away with.
Marigold is having five PPV events next year. That's the sign of a company that believes its prospects are improving, not one that's in decline. More big shows, not fewer.
You can dismiss what I say as retarded but how about bringing some facts to the table next time instead of your obvious lack of knowledge of how business works. Your mindset is exactly why AEW is failing financially.

>>19204352
>Marigold is having five PPV events next year
Just four I think. They announced five big shows but one of them is just a regular Korakuen Hall show that's themed to Mayu's anniversary. But still more than previous years.

Why is he called Tossy?

>>19204365
Four regular shows but one is Mayu's 15th anniversary. Regardless, it's a sign of growth, not shrinkage.
The other poster doesn't understand the difference between gross profit and net profit. Increasing expenditures might increase gross but it's bad for net and net is all that matters.
Increasing expenditures unnecessarily increases risk, which is dangerous for a young business like Marigold. The company needs all the net profit it can get so it can be in a better position to retain talent once contract negotiations come up and they start demanding more money. That means keeping costs as low as they can get away with in the meantime.

>>19204419
>Regardless, it's a sign of growth, not shrinkage.
kek sure thing sonny

>>19204426
I see sniping and I see bogeymanning but what I don't see is a counterargument.
Crack open a text, learn the difference between gross profit and net profit, then get back to me. Until then, shut the fuck up because you obviously don't know what you're talking about and are just a wannabe console warrior shooting off your mouth.

>>19204300
>>19204290
Funny timing with the whole CMLL thing, but when she is old enough to work there, Marigold will be gone.

>>19204450
She's already worked CMLL you casual moron. Stick to the WWE threads and stop pretending like you know ball.

Maricold flopped. iyo is not a draw lol

>>19204510
nah that's scardom and fat slob moomoo

>>19204500
CMLL in Mexico imbecile.
She and her brothers have been posting about it a lot

lol just making up shit

>thinks quoting AI is a source
zoomer, please

>>19204693
>thinks some random guy posting on 4chan is a reliable source
boomer, please

this nigga using grok as a source

>>19204678
Shuori 2024 awards and rankings? What the fuck are you even looking for?

>>19204697
I didn't say that I thought the other guy was correct though, now did I.
You, on the other hand, think that citing AI is a solid debate strategy for establishing facts.

>>19204712
>If we're talking basic numbers, Marigold made ¥1 Billion during their 1st year according to Shupro ($6.5 Million)

Are you fucking retarded

Marigold is so profitable they had to pre-sale season tickets to Korakuen to raise money. Sounds like something a company who made 3.5 million in profit in 7 months would do.

If they're not profitable they'll disappear quickly then, given that it's not like they have a billion dollar trust fund to fall back on like Tony.
I swear, it's like some of you retards don't understand how business works. If it was failing like you've been asserting it has from the start it would be gone already because new businesses can't skate on daddy's subsidies.

Can someone please tell me if IYO SKY has a title? I really would like to know!

record profits marigooner

>>19204742
>doesn't understand the difference between gross profit and net profit

>>19204725
Their goal was to provoke Rossy into blowing all his savings, his buffer money, his emergency fund, everything, all on buying more Stardom players for inflated prices, and their little plan failed. Marigold is more successful than ever.

Rossy won

jqncg usually posts all of the numbers so go check with him.

>>19204742
That bitch is nasty.

>>19204749
>doesn't understand no one in japanese wrestling is making 3.5 million dollars profit drawing 200 people to every show in the middle of nowhere

Where did she go?

>>19205354
I didn't claim they were making 3.5 million dollars. That was another poster.
You still have not demonstrated that you understand the difference between gross profit and net profit.

Bushibros?

>>19203672 (OP)
You couldn't find a better pic?

>>19206346
wtf I don't remember her having those ugly ass teeth. when did she get them fixed?