January 9th, 199X

It has been almost a week since the CCCP was dissolved by the General Secretary, with a large majority of the various ethnic republics formed in the aftermath of the Great Patriotic War by imported populations having gained their independence. Their journeys to statehood have been long awaited by their peoples. However, in the general confusion and chaos which followed the collapse of one of the world's superpowers, one region within the malaise was forgotten. Unclaimed by almost every other group, at least by virtue of no real historical claim to what had been Russian land for centuries.

Oskovia.

Having been established for the Oskov peoples, themselves descendants of Slavic tribes which had inhabited the Urals before the very concept of Russia existed or the Mongols rode their armies from the east, the Oskovia CCP had been a prosperous but small republic in comparison to their immediate and surrounding neighbors. For as long as the CCCP had existed, there were no issues with any in the region. Now, this has changed.

For the first few days, the regional government was silent on the matter of the entire west of the country splintering into ethnic republics. The Belarusians, Ukrainians, Kravo, Gorodniks, Cossaks in the south and a number of others all broke off from the Union; leaving Oskovia completely alone and independent as a result of broad language, and as many would come to find out, the very local party deciding to pick up and leave back for Moskva.

What local apparatchiks remained scrambled to figure something out, and that's where you come in. You, whoever you may have been in your previous life, doesn't matter. You have been selected to form the Central Committee of the Emergency Crisis Council, the de facto governing body of what is being called the Republic of Oksovia. Never mind that no elections have been held, and that no one within the nation asked for it to be created.

The only question now, is what is to be done?

>>6230940 (OP)
[Pictured: The current map of the former Soviet Socialist Republics of the USSR as of 199X.]

There are several issues to be tackled in the immediate future, and while some seem less than important; you have all been assured that they will be crucial to the survival of Oskovia as a sovereign nation. The current briefing, being delivered to the CCECC by a tall and well dressed apparatchik by the name of Vanya Lebedev with the most monotonous and dry inflection imaginable, is as follows.


"Good morning gentlemen of the Council Committee, as we all know the past week has been more than enough to turn the world onto its head. However daunting this may look, we have begun to look into ways to alleviate building tensions and issues we have perceived before they can truly become problems. Now, let us begin."


"Oskovia is fortunate that, for the most part, the ethnic makeup of the Republic is not too drastic as is the cause of the issues in the SFR Yugoslavia. Per the last census conducted by the Union, the former Union, that is, the population is around 47% Oskovian, with our largest minority being Russian at 22%, then Belarusians at 19%. There is a small 4% minority of Gorodniks in the southern regions, mostly farmers from the former collectives in the region. The rest, outside of a small enclave of Uzbeks which make up about 1% of the population, are not much to be concerned about."


"The reason this is even being brought to the attention of the Council Committee is that outside of our newfound borders, Oskovia has no identity. As a Russian myself, I can assure every one of you that the Oskovia CCP practically has no delineation from the former CCCP. We did not even have our own anthem. While in the past this was ideal to prevent ethnic conflict, to sustain this lack of distinct identity would be a crippling issue."


"Next on the list is the matter of our national defense. While we are fortunate to not have the "Russian Federation" breathing down our necks about nuclear weapons as the Ukrainians and Belarusians do, to say that we have an army or air-force is to be very, very generous. We are fortunate that, with the upcoming repatriation of former Soviet Army regiments, the 792nd Motor Rifle Division and 87th Airborne Reconnaissance Battalion have decided that they wish to remain a part of the Republic. That's around 10,000 men with their equipment and vehicles. The issue, of course, is in regards to maintaining and expanding their number if need be."


"Of course, while these two issues are the most pressing to the nation, we do have more than enough time if reports on anything else need to be brought in, or if any members have issues of their own they have noticed which they would like to discuss."


What matter does the Council Committee wish to discuss first?
>National identity
>The military
>Write-in

>>6230945
>National identity

>>6230945
>Write-in
>Our relationship with our surrounding neighbors.
We can tidy up our internal affairs later, right now I'm worried if there might be an outside force trying to take advantage of the chaos.

>>6230945
>National identity

One informs the other. Creating an identity that overrepresents one group or excludes another may create tensions in our military, depending on its demography, or impact our internal security situation.

>>6230945
>The economy
All of our supply chains and transportation links have just been amputated, Gosplan has evaporated, our primary market has disintegrated, we're surrounded by customs borders, our state has no financial infrastructure and everything around is in chaos. We're staring down the barrel of a likely unstoppable eeconomic calamity but, the quicker we get a handle on things, the more we can soften the hammer blow that is already falling.

>The Military

We must defend our borders at all costs!

>>6230949
I'm switching my answer to support >>6230957 the people will be content asong as they can put food on the table.

>>6230957
I’ll support this first and foremost. If the economy is too broad, genuinely just making sure food is stocked is a good start

>>6230945
>National Identity: Anthem
A strong enough identity followed by a believable enough propaganda machine will turn our nation into a haven, our army of farmers into diehard fanatics, and our neighbors into jealous little girls.
I want a kickass music video, stat!

>>6230957
Seconding this, an army marches on its belly, and the people can care about national identity later when they're not starving

>>6230945
>Military

We might have a better chance for independence and sovereignty of our nation, by trying to booster our national army, as we can try to seize the soviet armory warehouses.
Doubt that any of our neighbors would really care about our national identity at the time of the Dissolution (Even less so the Russian themselves).
It's for the best to take the initiative now.

>>6230945
>National identity

>>6230945
>>The military

>>6230945
>National identity

>>6230940 (OP)
Just a heads up that replies will be tallied today but the actual post may be delayed until tomorrow due to unexpected work stuff.

Long live Oskovia!

>>6230945
>>The military

>>6230945
>>The economy
In short: THE ECONOMY YOU FOOLS!

Current votes:

5 for discussing the National Identity first.

5 for discussing the nation's economy first.

4 for discussing the nation's military.

Going to give the vote until about 12pm GMT for any stragglers to come in and drop their votes. Fortunately, this initial decision is more a matter of what should be addressed first and is not a mutually exclusive decision.


In other news, Oskovia's flag requires a redesign and a contest for the Republic's replacement is being held. Feel free to reply with suggestions and to vote for ones you feel best represent the nation. Cлaвa Ocкoвии!

>>6231410
I’ll switch my vote from national identity to economy.

>>6230945
>>National identity
Glory to Oskavia!!

>>6231410
Comrade GM! I cannot design a new flag without knowing the characteristics, natural resources, and history of our great nation!

>>6231507
Then I suppose a bit of OOC background information is needed.

Oskovia 101: Origins

The modern Oskovian people are thought to have splintered off of the original Kievan Rus population several decades into their original settlement of the area now known as Russia, Belarus and Ukraine to the Ural mountains. Culturally, the Oskovian people were fairly typical of other slavic tribes, and many wars were fought with the Turkic peoples which called the Urals home; with the Orthodox church being introduced into the region as the Rus expanded their empire east.

By the time of the Tzars, the Oskovians were recognized as a relatively small minority within the Russian Empire; allowed some degree of autonomy only due to the remote nature of their peoples. When the Russian Civil War took hold of the nation, the Oskovians sided with the Whites but were brutally set upon by the Bolsheviks and forcibly stripped of their culture and autonomy after Red victory in the war.

Before and during the Great Patriotic War during the reign of Stalin, the Oskovian people had begun to "redeem" themselves in the eyes of the state with their tireless labor in the newly industrialized region; being equal parts an urbanized-industrial as well as an agrarian and rual people. Due to the utter devestation which rocked the European portions of the USSR as a result mainly of the scorched earth campaign comitted by the Red Army during Operation Barbarossa, the region was left utterly depopulated and in desperate need of new settlement to work the reclaimed land and factories within the formerly industrial region.

Stalin, in the years before his death, had begun to forcibly migrate a number of the minority Uralic slavs such as the Oskovians into the regions of european Russia, eastern Belarus and Ukraine to create new Soviet Socialist Republics and ensure provide both stable production and resource extraction as well as a buffer zone in the case of another war with their former western allies.

The Oskovian Soviet Socialist Republic was officially founded in 1948, and was dissolved alongside the USSR in 199X; being most notable for its rich and bountiful agricultrual industry as well as the site of mining operations with the two most notable prospected metals found being lithium and titanium; both located in the somewhat mountainous northern region. So much lithium was located in the general region that the USSR had invested into various production plants for items such as lithium batteries within the Oskovian SSR in the late 1980's.

>>6231534
Thank you, Comrade GM.

>>6231410
Voting has ended with:

6 for discussing the National Identity first.

6 for discussing the nation's economy first.

4 for discussing the nation's military.

Seeing as there is a tie, a d2 will be rolled with a 1 deciding for National Identity and 2 deciding for the Economy.

Cлaвa Ocкoвии.

>>6231766

Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>6231766
>>6231767
Third time's the charm. Apologies, its been a while since I've had to use the dice command.

>>6231766
You sure? One national identity guy switched his vote to economy >>6231452

>>6231771
Ah, unfortunately oversleeping has clouded my thinking. You're right, there is one more for economy than National Identity. Update to follow soon.

>>6230940 (OP)
>>6230945
Mr. Lebedev looks genuinely surprised, past his rather tired expression, at the overwhelming number of council members wishing to discuss the economy. Nodding in agreement, he motions for a few aides to begin passing out new documents to the seated members. They're all generally vague as to the actual condition of local industry and the economy as a whole, though the man clears his throat to begin speaking.

"As you all likely already know, the Union invested quite a large sum into the lithium battery factory here in the capitol of Bel-er, I mean Valgrod. While we still have access to the secondary lithium mines which spurred on that construction, the Republic of Novusk to our north were given rights to the larger mine within their own territory. The "lion’s share”, it seems, is being exported back to the Russian Federation if our reading of the conditions for their independence are correct. As far as we know, they only have the means to refine the material into a usable state but not the infrastructure to actually make anything of it themselves, so we may find it lucrative to approach them to spur on our own domestic economy."

"Speaking of, I don't believe this has to be stated but we do not possess a gold reserve. Our current currency is still the Soviet Ruble, which at the moment is likely only worth something to our neighbors, to collectors in the west, or as fire kindling. Fiat currency for us is...exactly as utterly pointless as it sounds. We have received some suggestions to tie a new currency, whatever that may be which you as the Council Committee decide upon, to our reserves of natural gas like the oil producing countries of the middle east de-facto do with their own."

"As for food, we are very fortunate that this region has always exported foodstuffs to the wider Moskva region due to how fertile our soil is. Put simply, we not only have enough stockpiled food to last the rest of winter now that we are not sending it to the CCCP but we are more than able to continue producing once spring arrives."

Looking closer at the documents assembled before you, the imports and exports of the former CCP circa 198X begin to stand out among the haze of dry and bureaucratic wording.

Major exports:
>Food (Primarily grains)
>Processed lithium goods
>Natural gas

Minor exports:
>Raw/Processed titanium
>Steel
>Timber

Major imports:
>Consumer electronics
>Civilian automobiles
>Aluminium

Minor imports:
>Alcohol
>Fruits
>Textiles

>>6231773
"We do, by pure technicality of our own independence not being addressed by any neighboring party as of yet, technically still have our trade agreement with what is now the Russian Federation as it is the legal successor to the CCCP. Much of what we need in imports, as far as raw materials go, can be sourced from Russia; though I do not doubt they will either demand a renegotiation of our old Soviet era agreement or simply rig all costs in their favor. Still, they are the safest option as far as it comes to material availability. Our second best option is to attempt to "shop" around our neighbors to see who wants what we have and has what we want. Until formal diplomatic relations are established however, we have no assured means of knowing what they have."

"Of course, we could always attempt to look West or East for needed goods. Though the willingness of the NATO countries may be suspect and the quality of anything from the Chinese may be suspect and cost perhaps more than just money or goods in exchange for either option. This...perhaps leads into the fact that we are still operating under our previous communist economic system. We could always attempt to court foreign investment if we open up the country and begin to shift towards a more capitalist system; I hardly need to say why this may not be the best idea though, considering how drastic of a shift it would be and how it may look to our neighbors. We are aware that Krasvo to our west has shifted fully into a pre-Gorbachev style of Socialism in one country."

Lebedev mutters something about the Great Patriotic War, Stalin and a tank factory, before continuing.

"Of course, the actual form the government will take is a question for after we are sure our lands are secure and the government we have is not about to collapse from resource shortages. We are still parsing the letters we have received from a variety of, as they call themselves, "civilian interest groups" concerning how they believe the nation should operate politically. Rest assured, once we understand which are genuine and which are nonsense, a report will be prepared and brought to the Council's attention. For now, what should we do for the goods we need?"

Dual Vote (Both will require a d100 roll once the outcome is decided):

Where should the Republic look to export and import from?
>Yeltsin's Federation
>The Ethnic Republics
>The West
>The East
>Write-in

What should be done with our currency?
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.
>Attempt to adopt the Russian Ruble.
>Attempt to keep the Soviet Ruble.
>Write-in

>>6231776
>>The Ethnic Republics
Thinking the fellow republics may be more reliable than a potentially domineering Russian Federation
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.
The Okosvian Rubble :D

>>6231776
>The Ethnic Republics
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.

>>6231776
>The Ethnic Republics
small guys help each other

>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.

>The East
Given we are in need of cheap consumer goods and raw/intermediate industrial goods, asia is where its at. consumer electronics and machinery from japan/korea, raw goods from indonesia and textiles from china.
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.

The Russian Dollar :D
think about it, a currency to bridge the capitalist west and the comunist east

sidenote, we should burn up whatever rubbles we have by buying as many goods as russian enterprises are willing to sell in the short term during the chaos.

>>6231776
>The Ethnic Republic
We'll make our own Union. With ethnic conflicts and arms dealing.
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.
We need to be able to control our own money.

>>6231943
>Russian Dollar
you are a traitor to the Oksovian people you will be sent to the fields

>>6231776
>>The Ethnic Republics
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.

>>6231776
>The East
>Attempt to keep the Soviet Ruble.
REJECT revisionism
RESTORE the Soviet Union

>>6231845
+1
Let's keep our bordering allies close. The Okosvian Ruble will be stronger than that western Oil Dollar!

>>6231776
Oskovian Ruble sounds very promising
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.
Who knows, it could be backed by lithium in the short term, if not long term? Someone with a more economic mind, mind explaining if this is a good idea or nah?

>The Ethnic Republics
Good neighbors are a blessing - but we need to know which ones are true friends. This trade offer could reveal their tendencies.

>>6231776
>The East
>Attempt to keep the Soviet Ruble.

>>6232297
>REJECT revisionism
I think comrade anon here may have had a bit too much to drink. It is the Chinese who strayed from Moscow's policies and joined hands with the imperialists of the United States.

>>6232320
>Someone with a more economic mind, mind explaining if this is a good idea or nah?
Sir we were a communist republic, none of us know how economics work.

>>6232320
Its the 90s so either the euro was just adopted or its about to be so a national currency is completely unheard of in this time period but lithium is probably not a great material to base it on, we don't control that much of the production of the stuff in the region and it wont really gain a serious economic value for another 20 ish years and even then we are proabbly going to be outproduced by south America or some farmer in bumfuck America

>Someone with a more economic mind, mind explaining if this is a good idea or nah?

It depends, the problem is lithium at this point is not as valuable as it will be in the future. also, having currency backed by futures contracts is all well and good... as long as your country wont implode in the next 5 minutes invalidating said contracts. our best bet at this point is to do a mix between different commodity futures( most of which are gas because its our most valuable liquid export). but we will need to quickly get hard currency reserves to secure our value from commodity shocks.

we also need to device a way to replace the ruble with our new currency without bankrupting ourselves and letting everyone else raid our central bank reserves. (if we set an exchange rate and just ask people to change over, nothing stops a russian/ukranian/pole of taking their worthless rubles and giving them to us. thats why i think we should basically empty out our central bank of rubles, buy out as many commodities as posible even at a steep discount and use that to fund our reserves.

we also have to think of a changeover scheme, maybe start with paying state workers in the new currency and allow maximum swaps of currency for only registered nationals and crackdown on illegal foreign swaps very publicly? this still exposes us to some loss of reserves, but atleast we wouldnt wipe our peoples savings. if done right, we would prevent a currency collapse and a subsequent liquidity shortage, which granted, in a communist economy isnt nearly as bad, but if it can be avoided, it should be.

>>6232410
We honestly need to seek outside help with the changeover to avoid the shit show the real life Russia faced when it came to their economy in the 90s, Do we think the IMF would be interested in this clusterfuck?

>>6232416
>Do we think the IMF would be interested in this clusterfuck?

No, unless we commit to democraitization.

Remember that this is still pre greek crisis IMF, neoliberal othodox shock therapy is going to be the order of the day.


if we need lenders, we should aproach the italians and the sweedes or maybe the germans but until our neigbhorhood is a bit more settled, i doubt they would want to treat with us.

Дoбpoe yтpo Members of the CCECC! Unfortunately, due to the actions of vile Neo-Khmer Rouge luddites, our main headquarters is currently without power, so further action must be delayed until these subversive elements can be rooted out and repairs made.

Dropping the LARP, we had a freak storm and the power company has no Goddamn clue when our power will be back. I’m going to try to find somewhere to hammer out an update but assume that voting will end tomorrow. My apologies, but I’ll try and still get some things done while I can.

Additionally, I would remind everyone to not rely on hindsight too much. We are firmly in alternate history here; things can and will change based on what I feel makes the game more interesting and engaging.

Cлaвa Ocкoвии!

>>6232431
Supreme soviet Premier general secretary,

Hows the sentiment on our existance by our nearest neighbor statelets. im not gonna lie, given our lack of access to the sea, its very easy for us to be economically blockaded by an unruly neighbor.
Is there any future where we can conquer/unify our way to the sea and not get absolutely stomped?

>>6231776
>The Ethnic Republics
>Attempt to adopt the Russian Ruble.
We can always change our currency later. With nothing to base it on, I fear the economic consequences

>>6232448
I was going to bring this up when we got to discussing our military, we are always going to be at risk of economic if not outright political subservience to one of our neighbors if we don't get access to the black sea somewhere

>>6231776
>The Ethnic Republics
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.
I believe

>>6232431
Thank you, Comrade QM. I'm seeing where this will go.
I'll start drawing up some flag designs once we get the matter of national identity sorted.

>>6232410
definitely want to try to avoid the worst of what happened during the 90s to post-Soviet economies in reality

>>6232560
>definitely want to try to avoid the worst of what happened during the 90s to post-Soviet economies in reality

the soviets had a lot of issues happening at the same time that caused their crisis. we are lucky that by and large, we dont suffer from the same problems

1) broken economy : the soviets basically had a non functional economy and so were deficit spending like crazy to get it to function.

2) fiscal/debt crisis: the soviets were inbeted to the gills, and the few people that owed them money that they could ask for in exchange, were in no position to pay back said loans

3)unproductive heartland \: contrary to popular belief, Russia was not an industrial empire, it was an agrarian hellscape with an industrialized vassal periphery. one the warsaw pact disbanded and the ussr imploded, most of the industrial productive and tecnological/service sectors, were left outside of the Russian federation

4)liquidity crisis: following the fiscal crisis, the ex-USSR was so paralyzed that the money supply essentially run dry, causing the productive enterprises to not be able to buy goods to continue production.

5)soviet power structures: the NKVD, the Russian army, KGB and other politburo adjacent power structures had headquarters in Russia proper. so in order for the republic to survive, Yeltsin embarked on the greatest experiment in privatization to deny those resources to old party aparatiks, to preempt a coup.

as you can see, we dont have any of those problems. fundamentally our economy works (we produce an excess of food, energy and basic industrial goods and are not in an economic deathspiral), dont seem to have significant debts, and have no powerstruggle problems in the inmediate future. the only things which are alarming to us is the dependence on our currency with the russians (to stop importing their troubles here) and our participation in the ussr economic system (we cant trust our old suppliers)

so the solution, at first seems simple. make a new currency, look for external markets for imports and exports and balance the budget.

frankly, i expect our problems to be more military related in the beginning as an economic blocade from the black sea, or sabotage of our GNL pipelines could be disastruous.

>>6232564
I thought the 1st point would be something we'll all have and can you explain the 3rd point ? that's a first for me.

>>6232602
the majority of Soviet production and industry was happening outside the borders of present-day Russia

>>6232614
no way. of all the shit I've heard about the soviets, this one is a first.

>>6232645
This is especially true for anything naval as well, the soviet fleet was almost exclusively built in the Ukrainian SSR and of said fleet the Russian federation got after 1991 was not really replaceable, there's quite literally a single dry dock their flag ship the Admiral Kuznetsov can fit in and even then just barely

>>6232652
it makes sense for the navy for obvious reasons, but damn. where can I learn more about this ?

>>6232655
Not that anon but much of the Soviet computer industry was in Ukraine too, and 40% of the computers manufactured for the Warsaw Pact came from fucking Bulgaria. That industry immediately died after the USSR collapsed.

>>6232564
>unproductive heartland \: contrary to popular belief, Russia was not an industrial empire, it was an agrarian hellscape with an industrialized vassal periphery.
Well that's a new one for me. I always assumed that the industries that moved there during WWII just remained around and switched to producing civilian goods after the war.

>>6232699
Some did but they moved a lot of industry to the various smaller SSRs in an attempt to stitch the whole thing together

On the more general topic of Russian misery, I've seen this documentary series recommended to get a look inside the nightmare that was 1990s Russia and is going on right now:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSjQL8MYniTTLA3wnZ25U-s6RgR4uJNvL
It's not something we really think about in the West but, for the Russians, it was a dark time as their country was on its knees after losing everything while everything they knew was uprooted around them. Most of the other former SSRs didn't fare much better, and this could be our fate too.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VqiMQoMXmw)

>>6232703
Ah, the joy of building a super union, I supposed. Well it's benefiting us
>>6232716
Yeah, that's what I've heard from my grandparents who migrated away during the fall. A sense of the end of the world, like an actual apocalypse just happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKYgIoxMGF0
The world may burn around us, but I at least want to make sure the people in our little state are happy.

>>6231776
>The East
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.

>>6231773
>>6231776
Greetings members of the CCECC, after an extended absence we can finally call the vote with:
>The Ethnic Republics
and
>Start from scratch. A new nation with a new currency.

Being victorious. I'll need 3 people to roll a 2d100 with the best of the 3 being picked for the eventual outcome of this turn's actions.

Rolled 49, 2 = 51 (2d100)

>>6232940
Glory to Oksovia!

Rolled 58, 3 = 61 (2d100)

>>6232940
long live the new republic!

Rolled 63, 57 = 120 (2d100)

>>6232940
Jesus those rolls are bad

>>6232960
good news comrade you made things a little better!

>>6232945
>>6232951
>>6232960

While the actual results won't be seen for some time, we've thankfully avoided losing out on the chosen options entirely. Next update will arrive later today. Until then, you're all free to discuss things.

Cлaвa Ocкoвии!

our next move should be to discuss our military we need to find out what exactly we inherited from the soviets and figure out if we have the ability to fight one or more of our fellow ethnic republics if push comes to shove, That or try and form some sort of hellish Slavic version of the EU amongst ourselves as trying to export lithium batteries through two or more of our neighbors will bleed us dry via tariffs

We should sort out our diplos first before anything. The Russians are going to go hegemon no matter what on our region, so talking with the rest of the former soviets to not get fucked feels like the next step.

I agree with the diplomatic option first, we and our neighbors have been part of the same nation for such a long time that I don't think we'll get into any military conflict that quickly. Now that we know what we're producing and what we have to offer, we can use that to open up trade deal and negotiation with our former comrades.
Then we can decide our national identity based on what our main national goal will be.

>>6232997
>>6232989
My biggest concern with our military is its going to degrade and fast, post soviet arms stockpiles bleed like a stuck pig and we lack the resources to really replace anything that is lost in the intervening years or months

>>6233000
Yeah, >>6232997, so long as we don't get into immediate conflict, I feel like we can hold out a little on it. I'm not really seeing any way of maintaining our capabilities beyond bending the knee to the Federation or the West, or maybe lucking out with one of our neighbours, so our practical defense is MDPs and NAPs.

>>6232940
>>6232963

"It is no secret that the Oskovian CCP does not have much of a true culture of its own. For the most part, we have followed the holidays which the Union had made for the Worker and what vestigial religious holidays were permitted to remain. In this, we perhaps have our first matter to discuss. The Oskovian Orthodox church was tolerated as was all religion by the Union's government as most of its actual authority and ceremony were taken away under Marxist doctrine. Already, we have received petitions from the Patriarch of Oskovia supported by a dozen or more priests to restore some modicum of state recognition for Orthodoxy as the state religion."

"The primary differences between the Russian and Oskovian churches mostly lie with differences in celebrated days, with one of the largest being the celebration of the historical day in which the Chieftain of Oskovia was baptized in around 8XX AD. This, among others, may help to distinguish ourselves from our neighbors in a cultural sense...though I can understand if we wish to take a more secular path towards this. There have been a few proposals over the years for local holidays framed around Oskovian figures of note; though technically there is nothing stopping us from both creating our own secular celebratory days as well as working with the Church."

"Another, and perhaps a bit more of a controversial decision to some, is the language. There are very few people who can still read and write in old Oskovian, and many haven't seen much of a reason to learn with Russian becoming omnipresent after the founding of the SSR here in what used to be Belgorod. That being said, much like the Irish peoples have done in the past few years in attempting to revive their native language, we may attempt to do so as well. It will have to be done slowly, as we will first need to locate speakers to tutor what language teachers we have so that it may be spread in an organic and easy manner."

"The largest issue we have anticipated arriving from this is, as can be expected, attempting to revive a language which is not entirely intelligible to Russian and expecting others to understand it if we are to go all the way forwards with this. The Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine will all likely raise an eyebrow at their respective minority groups being made to speak a different language, however we doubt this will cause anything more than potential diplomatic protest in the future.”

>>6233014
“Of course there is the matter of a flag and anthem. We cannot expect to raise the hammer and sickle forever, and the CCP never really had an anthem of its own outside a rendition of the Internationale with some notes changed around. I suppose we are fortunate that this is a much less pressing matter, so those are up to you of the Council Committee alone to decide upon.

What holidays should the Republic respect?
>Holiday did come from the term Holy Day after all…
>The State shall provide its own holidays for its people.
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
>Write-in

What should the official language of the Republic be?
>Oskovian, plain and simple. No better way to separate us from our neighbors than our own language.
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.

Open to the Council Committee:
>Flag Design
>National Anthem

>>6233017
>Holiday did come from the term Holy Day after all…
think about it, anon said Jesus and got immediate better rolls
>Oskovian, plain and simple. No better way to separate us from our neighbors than our own language.
We can support bilingualism especially since Russian will remain the lingua franca of the region in the former Union region for a while longer. But we should still try to revitalize a Oskovian identity.
for council committee i propose the national symbol of our country
>Flag Design

>>6233017
>>6230945
>47% Oskovian
>22% Russian + 19% Belarusian = 41%
>4% Gorodnik + 1% Uzbek + 7% The Rest = 12%
The Oskovi is barely half of the nation. Can we afford policies that only favors them and alienates the rest into their respective states? We're as illegitimate as governments go, but so long as the times are good, we're as legitimate as they go.

Besides language, Religion, Flag Design, and National Anthem should all be working in synergy for whatever direction we're taking this nation to. If we want to claim the old Soviet legacies, then do as they. If we don't, we go somewhere else, West or here.

>>6233028
>>6233017
To clarify, the latter two aren’t a vote. I’m leaving it up to you all to come up with a flag and anthem.

Rolled 99, 67 = 166 (2d100)

>>6233028
Would the dice agree?

>>6233043
Damn, it does.

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.

The language thing is just annoying, if we want to go for a separate culture, lets start with style of dress, cuisine, new flag and anthem.maybe a national sport?. were looking for low cost high impact and language is very much not low cost.

>>6233044
told you it is a sign
>>6233046
>language is annoying
50% of the population already speak it, the other 50 are very divided minorities meanwhile only 20% are native Russians.
I dont think we can very effectively drastically change the style of dress or cuisine beyond showing traditional styles in cultural centers.
Flag and anthem fair enough but I believe we gotta start pivoting the language as soon as possible since that will be the greatest impact to make us stand out.

>>6233073
>already speak it
>"There are very few people who can still read and write in old Oskovian, and many haven't seen much of a reason to learn with Russian becoming omnipresent after the founding of the SSR here in what used to be Belgorod."

There's just no clear buy-in here. I suppose, we can prop it up as another reason to why we're not falling under the Russian banner, but I don't see the diplo price as worth it.

>>6233017
>Holiday did come from the term Holy Day after all…
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.

Flag provided. Maybe, Yellow-white with a red cross potent-y.
>Yellow-white with a red cross potent.
Acknowledge the White Rus and the grain, make the Red the Cross, make the Cross the Red.

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
Holy days, and then a few state holidays (none yet) that we keep in reserve for when we want to commemorate something big.

>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.
HOWEVER, begin trying to preserve the Oskovian language. It would not do to have a piece of our national identity fade away. Have it be taught in schools, and then later down the line we can change our official language to it if we so desire.

Also, as for the Church; We're legitimizing them but we're not going to make them the state church. Let 'em do what they want, but don't actually make them the state religion, which would likely cause trouble down the line.

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
More holidays the better, I say.
>Oskovian, plain and simple. No better way to separate us from our neighbors than our own language.
If there’s an option to have both this and Russian as the main languages though, I’d vote for that.

>>6232989
>>6232997
we could try to get into CIS if that option is given,would hopefully let us keep good relations with our neighbors without causing too much divisiveness internally

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.
>make Oskovian a protected language group for local communities.

Flag design
>The current flag you used for the quest banner, but the insignia removed.
quick, easy and a stopgap measure is just one with hole cut out.
Anthem
>an abridged history of the country, with the most recent part of the history being what is sung at events.

>>6233017
>Holiday did come from the term Holy Day after all…
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?

Meh, the church deserves its due, but important figures and events relevant to a uniquely Oskovian history ought be celebrated as well.

>Make both languages official languages, but only provide public funding to learn Oskovian.

Maybe a dumb idea, but it's an attempt to dull hurt feelings both at home and abroad, and to allow Russian to be used on official paperwork/signage. I'd also support making Oskovian a protected language if this doesn't win.

Either way we're kinda damned. Having citizens learn Oskovian will provide a sense of a unique culture and provide some opaqueness against foreign infiltrators/invaders, but learning an entirely new language is major pain and will cause annoyance for all but the most hardcore nationalists, even Oskovians. Then there is the diplo price, talk of "suppressing Russians/X minority", etc. Could be a pretext for shenanigans in the future.

>Flag Design

>>6233192
there's not a significant need of government involvement in learning Russian anyway, almost any language teacher in the East should easily be able to teach it unlike the limited amount of people able to teach Oskovian, amd the transition could be eased by writing any official documents/signs/etc. in both Russian and Oskovian so that people don't feel forced to learn it, also having optional classes for learning Russian in schools alongside Oskovian to help avoid potential accusations like what happened to Ukraine and Georgia

>>6233017
>Holiday did come from the term Holy Day after all…
God is with us!
>Oskovian, plain and simple. No better way to separate us from our neighbors than our own language.
Agreeing with other anons though to promote bilingualism
>Flag Design
Been liking >>6232940, this gets my vote

>>6233190
Support

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
Some Balance would be fine.
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.
Why bother to spent time and resources on a new language at the moment and the last thing is that we want to alienate even more our neighbor and god forbid the russian in our border, when there are more pressing matters in our hands, however I do agree that Oskovian should be a protected language to keep our heritage, and plus I think it would be just low cost and low eyebrow attention to just have the basic oskovian culture like clothes, local tradition and dishes for starter.

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.

>>6233257
A lust provoking image with a post that ISN'T fucking stupid? Truly, this quest is blessed.

>>6233017
Greetings glorious comrades! I have two potential flags for our republic. Both on similar concepts, the first using traditional colours for Pan-Slavism, I thought it could be a useful way to unite our nation behind a new common banner without risking alienation of the national minorities.

>>6233017
The second design still retains our soviet era colours, though I fear this could alienate our Ukranian and Russian citizens.

Both flags feature the heraldry of our capital city, with the additional of an Orthodox Cross (Not a Russian orthorox cross). Both imagery I feel represents our heritage well, whilst looking visually distinct from the Russian Bear.

Glory to the Republic!
Glory to Oskovia!

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?

Celebrate Holy Days and our past at the same time.
The deaths of our sons in the Great Patriotic War and Russian Civil War should be remembered. Enshrining a day of rememberance seperate from the Russians would do well for cultivating patriotism.

Beyond this, we should research our pre-russian history to locate some suitable candidates for days akin to the American's Columbus Day.

>Oskovian, plain and simple. No better way to separate us from our neighbors than our own language.
Failing this, official Bi-lingualism will serve us well.

>Anthem
I would suggest we lift the melody of the Partisan's Song/March of the Siberian Riflemen, and compose our own lyrics to reflect our historical role in both the Russian Civil War and our later role in defense of the Soviet system.

>>6233285
I like this one, the other one looks like a Luxembourg flag with a seal on it

Comrades of the Council Committee! I come bearing a flag proposal from the workers of the northern region. The dark gold represents the wealth of our great nation, both in our agriculture and in the minerals found within the mountains—or rather, the mountainous region.
This is where the workers, uh, kind of split. One party wants the top to be white to honour the Tsars and the Empire that granted us autonomy, while the other wants it to be red to represent the Union and our communist ideals.
The only thing both parties can agree on is that the star should definitely stay.
>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
Hell, more holidays for everyone. Surely that will make the people happy.
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.
Everyone already speaks Russian anyway, there's no point forcing everyone to learn a new language. Though I would say that the state should support Oskovian language school/class as something extra people can take if they want to. We shouldn't let our history disappear and all that.
>Flag
See above.
>>6233291
Oh, I like the idea of basing the anthem off the Partisan's Song/March of the Siberian Riflemen.

>>6233305
I think the song should be a drinking song.

>>6233305
Do we have any major mountain ranges Comrade? I was under the impression we were in a fairly flat land?

>>6233318
There are mountains in the north, though most are across the border. Still, we do have them.

Here's another one from the priest near my house. Four people united under one cross he said.
>>6233311
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVdRXudABKc
It would be nice to also have a cheerful song to uplift the spirit while everything is burning all around us.
>>6233318
Well, we have a "mountainous" region that I don't think even count as a mountain (>>6231534), but don't let the workers hear that.

>>6233322
Fair enough Comrade, I can't fault their enthusiasm!

>>6233017
>The west has struck some modicum of balance between the two, perhaps we can try the same?
Pull out a few traditional dates, implement a few practical or international dates and tape em onto the calendar.
>Keep it Russian. No reason to put all this effort into relearning a new language.
We should follow the example of Ireland. We keep the language we've been accustomed to from our overlord for the sake of practicality and maintaining a common lingua franca and major global language but seek to slowly revive our own traditional language as a second language in the background as a unifying point of cultural pride.

>>6233285
I like the gold stripe since it's quite visually distinct. Pan-Slavism was repressed in the USSR and discredited by the failure of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia as well.

>>6233000
There are a few small depots and sites scattered around but we have no major military bases or storage facilities, which crimps the military we have left. We have inherited little of the Union's materiel reserve that our more fortunate neighbours around us did and have nowhere to put the units that joined us.

>>6233329
I do have a good idea for how to handle our military, but I'll save that until we're fully on that topic

>>6233331
First thing first- We are NOT giving up any Soviet nukes. If nothing else we sell them out of spite

>>6233339
There are no missile or nuke storage facilities in Belgorod Oblast so that's a moot point anyway

>>6233339
I honestly kind of doubt we inherited any of the nuclear stockpile since nobody has really approached us about it yet

>>6233339
As stated earlier by our Apparatchik advisor, the Oskovian SSR was never given nuclear weapons of any description; unlike Belarus or Ukraine.

>>6233341
Saying this reminds me of a point - given this is althist, how close to 1:1 is our territory to OTL's 1990s Belgorod Oblast? For example, there's a sugar refinery just outside of Valuyki. Would that be there ITTL? I've been assuming things are in the realm of "like OTL unless noted".

>>6233348
Indeed, there's no lithium in the region; but there IS Titanium. There's no big natural gas deposits in the region IRL but the soil IS extremely fertile. Etc. Etc.

Keep that in mind, and Oskovia will become a veritable regional superpower in no time!

>>6233351
Oskovia superpower by 2000

>>6233351
Oskovia will be the leading the region in happiness index and quality of life.
inb4 WW3

Now, the biggest question is who will be the first to bait another government official from one of the Ethnic Republics into divulging sensitive info on Dvach come 200X?

>>6233378
The Premier flaming Russians and Ukrainians on an imageboard in his spare time? Don't be absurd.

>>6233378
>implying we have internet
Xaxaxaxaxa.

>>6233370
>Oskovia goes on a solo mission to reform the Union

>>6233393
>Oskovia goes on a solo mission to reform the Union

Technically speaking, the ussr wasnt dead until the kasakz dissolved it because the russian federation didnt dissolve the union, they just exited it. its entirely possible fot us to claim the mantle of the USSR and for it to be legally valid (not sure if we'd want to tho)

>>6233406
We clam to be Soviet Union

Russia sticks us with Soviet debts.

???

Profit.

>>6233406
>>6233415
at this point in the timeline the kazakhs had already dissolved it anyway

>>6233285
Changing flag vote to this.

>>6233393
A more perfect union. A united states.

>>6233421
Much thanks for your support Comrade!

>>6233017
>>Holiday did come from the term Holy Day after all…
>Oskovian, plain and simple. No better way to separate us from our neighbors than our own language.
>>6233322
ill support this flag

>>6233014
>>6233017
The votes are locked in as follows:
A balance of holidays between state and religious are put into place.

The official language of the Republic will be Russian, however Oskovian will be protected and taught to allow it to organically spread.

Next update: The fate of the Military.

>>6233014
>>6233017
>>6233717
Vanya once again is surprised by the rather level headed and reasonable approach the CCECC has taken. When this whole thing had kicked off, he was very worried not only for his job; but for his life. However, there was at least one more matter on the docket for today. The Military. Taking in a deep breath, knowing this would be a controversial topic to say the very least, he begins.

"As I have stated some hours ago, Oskovia's military primarily consists of the 792nd Motor Rifle Division and 87th Airborne Reconnaissance Battalion; the former being a second line Division, motorized in the most literal sense with some armored transports of the MT-LB type. Practically ubiquitous. They do also possess some BTR-60 armored personnel carriers on wheels. Ironically, the 87th is where most of our actual vehicle support will come from as they possess an abnormally large amount of armored vehicles such as variants of BMD-1, BTR-D and GT MU. All, which I understand, are able to be loaded into Mi-8 helicopters of which the CCCP left us with a veritable fleet of. These Mi-8 helicopters, alongside the smaller Mi-2 as well as cargo transport planes and..."

The man pauses, adjusting his glasses and reading the document in his hands a few times. It's the same as the one which has been placed in front of the other members of the CCECC, so as any member's eyes pan down the page to where Lebedev had been reading off of they would, in between the designations of a dozen different aircraft ranging from civilian planes to the recognizable "An" transport planes, see the designation "Якoвлeв Як-38M, 1".

"...one Yak-38M fighter aircraft. Regardless, this is the sum total of what we might loosely be able to call the Oskovian Armed Forces alongside an estimated 10,000 personnel. Oskovia, as it stands today, has the means to at the very least maintain our current arsenal for an indefinite period of peacetime; with a wartime lifespan of approximately 6 months with our industry as it is. Most of this comes down to the small number of small arms and automotive factories we possess, though this quite neatly transitions us into our first topic of discussion."

>>6233754
"We have received word that reunified Germany is looking to begin selling off a sizable number of military industrial assets, not only those of the former DDR but also of the well known Heckler and Koch company. Around an hour ago while the discussion of the National Identity was underway, one of our people who had been stationed within the now former DDR was able to call on a secure line and has secured us the opportunity to purchase these from the German government in exchange for Natural Gas instead of actual currency, as well as covering the costs for shipping by train. This would be quite a boon for us, as it would include practically entire factories for which we could employ workers for far cheaper than it would cost us to attempt to start from complete scratch; as well as give us a direct tie to an influential nation. Germany being a western country matters little if our dealings make our government all the more legitimate, especially with repatriating DDR industry."

"This is not, however, the only offer we have received. NORINCO of the People's Republic of China have reached out to us to offer licensed production of a number of small arms designs and light armored vehicles. Much as with the Germans, they are willing to accept material goods in place of currency; for them being lithium batteries, and are willing to arrange transport for the trade. While these platforms are similar to what we already possess, it is very likely we will need to begin retraining our forces to adapt to the specificities of Chinese made equipment. This will also go a ways into legitimizing our government, however I must remind the members of the Central Committee that this IS China. There is no telling if there are no other strings attached to this dealing."

"Second is the matter of the former Soviet Army personnel which have yet to leave the borders of Oskovia. General Evgeniy Chebotaryov has lived within the borders of the Oskovian CCP for the last 4 decades of his life, and from what we have been able to gather of the man; he does not seem very eager to depart for Russia. At the same time, the Russian Government also does not seem to be all that eager for him and his men to return either; as their preparations for repatriation have been lax and behind the assumed schedule. We believe that once he returns to Russia, he will retire and the Russians know it. This presents us with a unique opportunity, as we may be able to convince him to petition the Russian Government to remain in Oskovia; perhaps with some of the men under his command as well."

>>6233757
"This would provide us with, if nothing else, experienced teachers for our own officer corp. Something that we lack due to the nature of the formations which already have decided to remain within Oskovia. We have no reason to believe that the Russian Government will take offense to this if successful, considering what both we and they expect him to do if he returns; so ultimately the choice of whether to go forwards with this is up to the Council Committee."

"There is also the matter of how the Armed Forces are to be reorganized into the nation's full military as opposed to being only part of a larger force; seeing as neither I nor any of the other advisors know much of such things, the details of this are being left entirely to you."

Where are we to source our military’s industry?
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
(Import former East German and some West German military industry)
>The Middle Kingdom grows…
(License production of equipment from Norinco)
>Write-in

What should be done with General Chebotaryov?
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
(Will require a roll if chosen)
>Let the man go, it's not worth the time.

Open to the Council Committee:
The reorganization of Oskovia’s Armed Forces

>>6233759
>Write-in
Honestly the East German equipment would have been the best in the Union, sans Russia itself, so I’d be fine just getting a healthy surplus of that anyway. It’s not like they’re bad pieces of equipment either. Rather focus on building up a strong army and then import Western tech later

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
No issue with this. Any soldiers who want to leave still, we can offer a buyout. I’d rather have experienced and trained soldiers to build from than to start from scratch

>>6233759
Well I kind of expected us to be stuck with a lot of old soviet crap, but that fleet of MI-8s is of some interest.

>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red

For the short term better we arm ourselves with what we have experience with, also the factories are nice

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.

Having someone with higher level command experience will be crucial in building an army that isn't just a bumbling mass of conscripts


Now onto reorganization

We can try to maintain a mostly conscript based army like the soviets and modern day Russians however Im unsure if we really have the population to suppourt that.

I think we should focus on a small army centered around out motor rifle division, make them real professionals dismantle the reconnaissance battalion and maybe eventually do something with the MI-8s an air cavalry force or whatever the Russians call their version of them.

>>6233759
Comrade- my knowledge on military hardware is lacking, of the Soviet equipment we have is any of it State of the Art? Or something we might be able to get some good deals off of the West or even 3rd world to let their boys poke under our hoods and look through our manuals?

>>6233770
A lot of our current vehicles are 70s and earlier tech with the newest of them all being the single Yak 38M which was built in 71

>>6233759
Is there any reason why we can't buy stuff straight from the Uni- I mean, the Russian? I'm sure they're more than willng to continue supplying us with weapons in return for the same kinda material exchange.
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
It's what we're used to, plus, it'll be nice to build relationship with a strong neighbor.
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
He's pretty much an Oskovian now. Comrade General Chebotaryov would make a fine addition to our military.

>>6233766
Support

>>6233774
Shame- o well. Maybe we could see to having our maintenance crews… ‘loanable’ to willing and friendly countries to train their people how to maintain Soviet equipment. Let our boys in surplus see the world a little.

>>6233759
>Write-In, MASS PRODUCE AKMS, PRODUCTION LICENSE ARTILLERY, IMPORT AA DEFENSES, PRODUCTION LICENSE OUR PLANES, OUR INDUSTRY IS STRONG RAHHHH

>and I vote to convince the man to stay :))

>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.

>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
Let's be Level-headed here, beside getting former DDR machinery and potential advisor from them, would be highly beneficial for both civilian and military industry, as well it would help to booster our industry whether be cars, trucks or even armored vehicles.
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
Let's the Old Guard Stay, his experience on the former Red Army would be exponentially a great benefits for our fledgeling army, and to sweeten up the deals, we can give him the hero welcome and stay

>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.

>>6233766
+1

>>6233759
QM, nothing is stopping us from just getting both Norinco and Heckler-Koch right? Don't like to rely on the Germans too much.
>Write-in: Accept both German and Chinese offers. A military surplus is not without its benefits, and the acknowledgement of our sovereignty from both powers even more so.

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
No drawbacks?

Reorganization, I could go for some of that civilian management but eh,
>Appoint one of the respectable commanders as marshal and get them to reorganize the Armed Forces.

>>6233776
The Russians would rather arm themselves then arm us wouldn't they?

>>6233883
Its two options because they are mutually exclusive. Ties into behind the scenes stuff.

>>6233776
What >>6233886 said. The Federation isn't currently exporting much of anything, as they didn't exist in their current form a week ago. They only have the benefit of being the recognized successor to the USSR so a lot of their trade isn't totally screwy.

>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
(Import former East German and some West German military industry)

This but we take it a step further, we want to try and get as much of East German's industry as we can, tractors, Cars, weapons, not just military but their civilian industry as well. Most east german factories get gutted for cheap around this time, so we can really give ourselves a kickstart to our economy and HOPEFULLY avoid mass unemployment as the Soviet Union's state ran industry vanish within our borders.

What should be done with General Chebotaryov?
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.

We shall grant him the first passport for our glorious new Republic of Oskovia!

>Captcah is GDPFTW
Well that's a good sign I think

>>6233759
>The Middle Kingdom grows…
(License production of equipment from Norinco)
We need to be able to produce all our own weapons! As a land-locked state, we cannot rely on others!

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
(Will require a roll if chosen)
Stay, Comrade, Please!

>>6233969
>we cannot rely on others!
Do you know what licensing production means? L

>>6233759
>>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
They're selling whole-ass factories. A line to Germany provides further lines to the west if need be as well.

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
If he still wants to leave, then ask him if he can drop a line to any of his old comrades that may wish to retire somewhere quieter than Russia and give him a nice going-away party.

>>6233923
+1

>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
The New Union RISES

>>6233886
>>6233888
Ah, I see. Got it. Then yeah, I'll just stick to my original vote.
Hope the Germans send over some experts to help setup a way for us to maintain and produce more of that Soviet-based equipments. I doubt we'll be relying that much on the western stuff since it's probably too much for us to produce on our own.

>>6233257
none of the 3 search engines could provide me with the sauce for this one
>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
>>6233867
did you make this, anon ? saucenao didn't return anything

>>6234015
>Image searching obviously cropped pics
Sauce is @BoscosDen and @FerroGeronimo_

>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.
Ossi equipment was generally fairly good, and there's always the chance to get our mitts on some Rheinmetall goodies. Considering Oskovia is likely to fall into the "small but wealthy" category in the future, I'd like to try and Westernise our military materiel and doctrine in the future to help us punch above our weight but we can't do that at scale for years. For that matter, there's still a good many years to go before China has military exports worth paying attention to.
>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.
We may as well to help rebuild our officer corps.

>>6233759
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.

We're repatriating our own industry, growing our supply of capital goods, ensuring the nuts and bolts remain interoperable without reliance on a foreign power, and we get new toys. I want to grow closer to the east, but not like this, the Chinese can keep their plastic guns.

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.

>Keep the Yak-38M for research and reproduction purposes. Our one vanity piece.

I'll think up a TO&E later, maybe.

>>6233759
It occurs to me comrade, will what we get from the DDR deal be just light armor like our current equipment or could we also get some proper MBTs in the deal, I feel like we should really have at least a company of T-72s on hand

>>6234072
You'll be buying the whole 9 yards. The German government wants this stuff GONE, and they want it gone NOW.

>>6234066
even now most of China's military is just modified clones of Soviet/Russian and Western designs

>>6234072
Nah doubt it, most likely we get BMP-1's, T-55's and *Some* t-62's

>>6234082
The DDR had over 500 T-72s in service by the end so I think we could get our hands on 15 of them with a enough parts to last

>>6234066
Personally, I hope we never get into any sort of major dealing with the Chinese. They're a traitor to the global socialist brotherhood. Also I don't want to be indebted to them considering the way they treat nations under their debt.
>>6234074
What an amazing deal! Maybe this whole international trade thing isn't so bad.

>>6234080
The PLA is an interesting bunch that requires an hour-long defence economics powerpoint narrated by an Australian to really understand but, while a lot of their systems have Soviet and unlicensed lineage, they haven't been idle when it comes to technological iteration like the Russians have and are getting their foot increasingly in the door with countries in their sphere as a politically reliable provider of more technologically advanced Soviet-style equipment at decent prices though they have struggled to make major inroads globally.
>>6234088
The China of right now isn't quite as Machiavellian as it will become under Jinping so deals with them aren't so Faustian of a bargain presently but they don't have a lot of clout on the world stage or as much cash to throw around right now and hitching our trailer to the PRC wagon may come back to bite us down the road.

>>6234098
I'm not sure when they come out but their cheap NVGs may not be a bad idea for Oskovia to get some cheap nightfighing ability

>>6234104
won't be able to get super-cheap shit from them like now for around 10-20 years

>>6234056
>Sauce is @BoscosDen and @FerroGeronimo_
thanks

>>6233759
With overwhelming support,
>Some things old, some new, some things borrowed, some things…red.

and

>Convince the man to stay, this has been his home for a long time after all.

have won the vote. I'll need 3 d100 rolls to see how things go with General Chebotaryov.

Rolled 49 (1d100)

>>6234282

Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>6234282

>>6234104
That would be the sort of thing that would b good to buy from them in the future since it doesn't lock us in to long-term supply and upkeep agreements and equipment categories

Then its decided. The next update will arrive in a few hours.

>>6234290
They should have some very early night vision equipment at this point however the first generation stuff is hot garbage

Rolled 41 (1d100)

>>6234292
Sorry, I brain farted upon seeing 3 d100 and accidentally rolled a 1d300.

Rolled 75 (1d100)

>>6234282

>>6234293
Obviously, we should only be importing Chinese equipment right now if we want to kickstart a scrap processing industry. But, into the 2010s, it will start to become a more viable option in some areas. That's a long way away though.

>>6234297
That's true. Hell, military might not be a focus at all in the future depending on the direction our nation take.
I think it would be ideal for us to be a relatively harmless nation that's neutral on the world stage.

>>6234299
Eh with the Russians and other ethnic republics on our direct border we should really always maintain a decent standing military

>>6234301
Unaligned does not mean unarmed. The best neutrality is one you can enforce at gunpoint.

>>6234301
Of course. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be overtly aggressive with the military build up. I was thinking something like the Swiss where we have compulsory training for all male citizens. Make it so that, while we might not have a grand army ready to invade other countries, it would be hell for any other countries to try and attack us.

I mentioned earlier I had an idea for how to set up our military, figured may as well toss that up now.

Basically my suggestion is we keep a small "core" military, basically consolidating our equipment down to ensure our core is a heavily armed, well trained mechanised force capable of rapidly reacting should we need them.

From there, we should establish a hybrid military reserve. Basically part military reserve part labour force, so this way as Soviet State businesses close we can prevent mass unemployment by employing the now-out of work men and women into this labour force, which can then be used to set up new factories from imported machinery and such from the DDR. Basically, what I feel we need to avoid is mass unemployment which would in turn cause unrest, and potentially give some of our neighbours a justification to invade under the guise of "peacekeeping"

Thoughts Comrades?

>>6234458
Maybe we can also have this be part of our immergration policy? It’s a little picky but if your an out of work plumber form our new neighbors- just spend a few years plumbing for the state, train on the weakened, and you got citizenship. More valuable- less the requirements

>>6234470
Honestly its a good way to allow us to be picky with our immigration and speed up integration, so I think that works nicely

>>6234458
honestly sound for the best to just cut down the fat of our army, and keep it streamline it on our strength
Which it's the light mechanized units
as we do have to take into account that yes
We do have shitload of VDV vehicles, but none of the aircrafts capability for an airborne unit lmao
Plus getting the machinery from the former DDR, it will not only help for our industries, but also it's good way to counter-attack the mass unemployment that it's going to came all across the eastern bloc.
Yeah sound like a Solid plan imo

>>6234290
>>6234282
>>6233759
>>6233757
>>6233754

Two months. It had been two months since the collapse of the Union, two months since the relative stability of the Warsaw Pact broke off, two more months than most within Oskovia had expected the government to last. Yet, here we are. The major expected hiccups in the lack of trade resources were alleviated by shrewd and productive negotiations with the Republics of Gorodnika and Novusk. While not perfect, it's a step in the right direction and led to their recognition of Oskovia as a legitimate, legal and sovereign nation.

Experiments with implementing the “Oskovian Ruble” proved successful, at least for the internal economy with the government sponsoring currency exchanges with a 5:1 Soviet:Oskovian exchange rate. With prices stabilizing across the country, the common citizen began to feel more confident in their nation which served to spur them on to use their new money locally; further bolstering Oskovia's economy. The rampant malaise and apathy towards work from the younger generation, which had been shaken during the initial uncertainty of the CCCP's collapse, had eroded even further now that payday was something to look forward to again with store shelves being filled with goods produced within the nation. While not the newest tech from Japan, after a decade of empty storefronts, anything was worth buying.

Without the need to completely overhaul the nation's language, most matters within Oskovia remained the same; though with the new school year teachers found themselves incorporating Oskovian language lessons into their classes. Oskovian heritage and culture clubs found themselves being approached for state sponsorship and advisory on both educating the public on the native language as well as the new state holidays which the government began to announce to the public alongside those of the Church. The attitude of the Church itself was pleasant, with many of the leadership having anticipated full on rejection as was the case in Soviet times. The Patriarch of the Oskovian Orthodox Church himself visited the CCECC Headquarters in person to give his thanks and blessing once the nation's recognized holidays were finalized.

>>6234490
Of course, there was then the matter of the military. A matter which went about as well as anyone could have hoped for. The deal with the German government went quite well, with representatives meeting with their counterparts in Berlin to hammer out the details. Returning with the representatives came a number of former citizens of the Deutsche Demokratische Republik, advisors and asylum seekers both who would prove quite useful in establishing and training Oskovian workers and managers on the intricacies of the equipment. With them came a few slightly troubling rumors about going on in the newly reunified Germany, though thus far none have reached the ears of the CCECC. By mid-February, the factory importation program had created a whole slew of new jobs which coincided with the so-called "Drive to work" which began to grip Oskovia's young adult population.

Finally came the matter of General Chebotaryov, who took shockingly little actual convincing to stay. A representative from the Committee Council with a military background met with the man, they shared drinks and conversation at the General's home, and he returned with news that not only would the General be sending a formal declaration for his retirement to the Russian Armed Forces, not only would he be accepting a position as General in Oskovia's Army, but a number of his senior staff elected to do the same. While still in a state of limbo, the Oskovian Armed Forces found themselves not worrying for supplies or an experienced corps of officers.

Writing for the next batch in progress.

>>6234491
Comrades...
We did it.

>>6234493
Glory to the republic!

>>6234491
Glory to Oskovia!
>With them came a few slightly troubling rumors about going on in the newly reunified Germany, though thus far none have reached the ears of the CCECC.
Oh boy.

>>6234723
I wonder if the unification of Germany is not going as well as it did OTL, a 1990s German civil war would probably destroy the EU as a concept

>>6234731
>not going as well as it did OTL
It didn't go perfectly OTL either, but that's neither here nor there and too involved in modern /pol/itics for me.

>>6234736
In OTL- was East Germany one of the countries to inherit Soviet nukes/had to protect such nukes for a time during the breakup up?

What were the other nations that ended up inheriting Soviet nuclear weapons?

>>6234740
East Germany never had nuclear weapons of its own, they were all Soviet and from what I can tell not in permanent silos or anything. Outside of them, it was mostly Belarus and Ukraine from what I recall; both having given theirs back very early on in the 90's.

>>6234742
I’m guessing it’s safe to assume that it was also like that with other WMDs?

>>6234749
It seems to be the case. I'll be looking more into these sorts of things but I don't believe any retained their WMDs after the USSR collapsed

>>6235032
I think the Germans inherited a few small stockpiles of chemical weapons however outside of that it should all still be under the control of the Russians

>>6235033
Maybe we can offer to- take care of them for our German friends. Assuming that we have some facility for decommissioning chemical weapons.

I’m sure we can- ‘’take our time’’ with decommissioning them.

>>6234490
>>6234491
March 4th, 199X
8:30am Moscow Time
Central Committee of the Emergency Crisis Council Headquarters, Valgrod, Provisional Republic of Oskovia

Vanya Lebedev, the man who has helped to guide the members of the CCECC through the turbulent first months of its own existence, looks to be in much higher spirits. He sports a new watch of ex-East German make as well as a new briefcase made and sold in Oskovia. He greets everyone before motioning for one of the aides to begin distributing what seemed to be the first round of documents for what would be this session's series of decisions.

"Good morning Gentlemen, once again we have much on the table to discuss so let us be underway. As you all well know, our efforts from our first meeting have gone over quite well; with relations established with several nations both local and in the west and as a result our exports have found their way into foreign markets. Our currency has gained the confidence of the everyday Oskovian, and because of the industry we have obtained from Germany our people have the means to actually obtain it. However, this all has raised an important issue. As I had brought up beforehand, there were several "civilian interest groups" who had begun to petition the former government before their resignations which we had begun to sort through to establish which were serious and which were not. In the documents before you are a general profile of the most...shall we say, legitimate of these groups."

"The first are the New Socialist Unity Coalition, a number of reform minded members of the old CCP's government. While these old communists have been priding themselves on their numbers of youth party members, they still fall behind the two largest CIGs in terms of who is attracting our nation's young, voting age adults."

"The second on the list are the Socialist Vanguard Party, which are well past old minded communists. They are Stalinists, with more in common with Krasvo to our west than any other group. It is for this reason, and some others, that we believe that they are being heavily influenced and possibly funded by our western neighbors as a means to pull more into their attempt at a sphere of influence."

"Third are the State Sovereignty Party, a coalition of various nationalist groups which have admittedly have assisted in sponsoring and promoting a number of cultural events. Economically, they seem to be some form of socialist third-positionist and have proposed their ideals as marrying our socialist past to the practical needs of the modern day. As you may be able to grasp, both the HCEK and ПCA have accused them of being fascists. But I don't think there is a person in this room who didn't buy into the accusations of such the Union levied at the west on multiple occasions"

>>6235324
"Fourth we have the Society for Democracy, an old group which the KGB had records on dating back to the 1960's as a Western backed attempt at destabilizing the region by advocating for western ideals of democracy and liberalism. While we cannot confirm if they are still merely a tool of the west or a genuine attempt at bringing such a government to Oskovia, much as with the PSA I must express caution."

"Fifth are the Monarchists, the remnants of those aligned with the Tzar's loyalists from the Civil War. They themselves are split between those who wish to invite the Romanov family and establish themselves as a constitutional monarchy, and those who wish to establish one with an Oskovian family with ancestry in lesser nobility in the Tzar's court. Neither advocate for an absolute monarchy as the Tzar once had, so the CCECC would still be nominally in charge of the country until such a time as the Committee wished to turn that power over."

"Finally, we could simply organize a coalition government with representatives of each of these 5 political groups and their subordinate factions as a sort of advisory council for the CCECC. Ultimately, that choice is as always left to you. If we choose this option however, we will likely need to wait for all to come to some form of agreement on the matter of the economy."

"Of course, there is still the matter of the Anthem, our Flag and how the Military is to be reorganized; though we can still put at least most of those off until the end of this session."

Which CIG should be brought in to advise the CCECC?

>The Reformists (NCYK)
>The Stalinists (ПCA)
>The Nationalists (ПГC)
>The Democratics (OЗД)
>The Monarchists
>The Coalition
>Write-in

>>6235325
Comrades, now is the time for Oskovia to truly define ourselves. To emerge from our Soviet past into a new world as a beacon of strength, stability, and prosperity for our people. The question of ideology is something which threatens to divide us already, however we are all united in a singular great purpose. Our purpose is the uplifting of the Oskovian people, the defense of our homeland, and to ensure that our great grandchildren will be able to live the nation they deserve. To that end, it is through our labour and efforts that we must build this little nation.

I would suggest our new, Oskovian way forward to you all, esteemed Comrades. We can learn from the strengths and failings of the Tsars, and of the soviets. We are a young nation, as we have discussed our national identity is fragile and still in the process of being truly defined. For this, we could benefit from an apolitical head of state, someone that all Oskovians can rally behind whilst they grant our regime further political legitimacy. For this, despite my lifetime of service to the CCP, I can see no greater candidate than a restored Tsar. However, I would suggest we research any potential financial implications of this, as I am unaware if there are still outstanding debts that we could become liable for. Regardless, I firmly believe this is the right course of action.

For matters of economics, I believe a form of state socialism is still the way forward, with our government running industries we judge too vital to be allowed to be ran by private capital. However, to encourage growth, we should consider legislating for acceptable private industry. Fields that are not key to national security, but instead can be drivers of economic growth, consumer electronics, fashion, restaurants and such. Whislt this may anger the traditional communists, I believe this is the way we can modernise the soviet system. I do not wish to ever see bare shelves and children in breadlines comrades, and should we mismanaged our one chance, I believe we may see those horrors once more.

(Soc + Mon + Nat) Write in

>>6235325
>>The Coalition

>>6235325
>The Coalition
We could always just end up removing any party/group that ends up being unagreeable.

>>6235325
1+
Let us not forget the sacrifices made by our forefathers during the Russian Civil War, nor allow their legacy to be lost in the sands of time. Their role in the war was driven by loyalty and respect for the old Tsar, who, though flawed, cared for us during the times of the empire.
At the same time, we should not let our hearts be darkened by the years of Soviet rule. Despite the subjugation, the Soviets provided us with shelter, food, and an economic system that aimed to make everyone equal.

Therefore, I shall echo the words of my comrade, who spoke of a possible union between these former adversaries to a harmonious reconciliation not only for the well-being of our people but also to finally heal the old wounds of this land and move even further.

>>6235334
fuck I mean to reply to this

>>6235334
Support.

I propose we allow some private capitalist in the support of the vital industries, perhaps a system of contracts as reward for private industry to find innovations in the state industry. May that be home grown improvements or private individuals- ‘’acquiring’’ - inovations and methods.

>>6235325
>>The Coalition
Please don't give up all of our power to some random "noble" claiming tsarist ancestry. Unless we can forge some papers proclaiming ourself as a noble. Heck, just declare ourselves Tsar outright, nobody has the balls to do stuff like that anymore, they just pussyfoot around it by calling themselves the president or supreme leader or some shit.

>>6235362
I mean, by the 90s there is still provable descendents from the last Tsar so they wouldn't be some random guy claiming it

Though if nothing else, a local Oskovian noble would be interesting

>>6235334
+1
Total Support, comrade.

>>6235325
>The Coalition

but I have no issue with our head of state being a monarch, gives a good figure head to rally behind

>>6235325
>The Coalition
Sorry >>6235334 but your Idea seems to radical and wild for this time period. What the country needs is some for of compromise and 'stability'.

>>6235334
>Monarcho State Capitalism
VGH...ZASED...SO ZASED...

>>6235325
>The Nationalists (ПГC)

>>6235388
...Comrade, this is a post-soviet coalition... I can't think of a single one that didn't have titanic corruption issues or a near civil war.

I am concerned that we may see all our work fall apart and Oskovia's chance as a bright future squandered.

To break character, this is 90s post-soviet europe, compromise/broad coalition is anything but stable.

>>6235389
This is a vote of support, by the way. I support the radical centrism.

>>6235363
My point isn't that they may not actually be nobles, it's that we shouldn't be giving away our country to some moron who hasn't ever done the whole "ruling a country" thing before. Even if they're supposed to just be a figurehead, they may well not agree with that and try to assume more centralized power.

>>6235334
This. I support this.

GLORY TO THE TZAR AND THE WORKERS!

>>6235325
>The Coalition

>>6235405
Well, it's not as though we would be just going up to a guy, calling him Tsar, and then saying "By the way you don't have any power"

It would be more like finding a living descendant of the Romanovs (of which there are even today) and offering him the position as a cultural figurehead.

>>6235325
>>6235334
+1
Amazing.

>>6235394
>I am concerned that we may see all our work fall apart and Oskovia's chance as a bright future squandered.
>in favor in favor of putting in some rich kid sod with no qualifications other than his family history as head of state
The White movement is entirely a larp club funded by the Japanese / Nazis / CIA in the post-civil-war / ww2 / cold war eras, and now you want to put these compromised glowie sliver spoon in the government? In the write-in coalition the nationalists and monarchists WILL drive the reformists out of government and funnel all government assets into mansions, yachts, race cars, and amphetamine, mark my words.
>b-but anon you voted for the grand coalition
Sadly nothing else is nowhere near winning the vote on their own.

>>6235448
>mark my words
Well, they're marked. We'll see how things go if either wins.

>>6235448
>you want to put these compromised glowie sliver spoon in the government?
Comrade, I wish the best for this nation. A coalition will end in nothing but stagnation at best, and blood shed at worst.

In our position, a civil war would destroy Oskovia permanently, whilst Stagnation would cost us decades.

>Sadly nothing else is nowhere near winning the vote on their own.
So you admit, the Coalition is a poor choice then Comrade?

I fail to see why we cannot write our Constitution to prevent any such soft coup. We owe it to the sons and daughters of Oskovia to forge something better than the past. How better to do that than to learn from the regimes of our past?

Who else are even our choices?
Stalinists? They would gleefully force us into Gulags and attempt to revive a dead union.
Democrats? They are the far more obviously Western-supported "glowies" as you term them.

>>6235334
1+

>>6235448
>I rather crash this whole ship into an iceberg by MY OWN WAY, so I can won over the chuds

okay, so what's the better alternative, might I ask?

>>6235448
Unsubtle

>>6235479
And the name didn't post. Weird.

>>6235455
>>6235459
>stagnation
Surely our top economic minds will be able to avoid that in a coalition.
>I fail to see why we cannot write our Constitution to prevent any such soft coup
The putschists can just rewrite the constitution once in power, it's that easy. What guns does a piece of paper have?
>alternative
For me it's Reformists and/or Nationalists, wrangling them until the become Dengist and then trying to revive a dead union when all the western sell-outs collapse.
>that's the same as the write-in but without the cooler hat!
Good luck with the inherent contradiction of socialism and having some guy who got in just by being lucky with his birth.

>>6235494
>Surely our top economic minds will be able to avoid that in a coalition.
Maybe if you roll well enough it might.
>The putschists can just rewrite the constitution once in power
That entirely depends on what options you all choose. This is a quest after all.
>Reformists and/or Nationalists
This combination would actually just get you Nazbols. Unironic Nazbols. I did a matrix of what ideologies meshing would result in.
>Good luck with the inherent contradiction of socialism and having some guy who got in just by being lucky with his birth.
Again, we'll see how that turns out. Ultimately this is all up to me to write an interesting story. Doesn't have to happen that way.

>>6235334
I would support this, but only if he have a proven candidate for the throne. We can't just grab any random surviving member of the old royal family and promote them to becoming the face of the nation, we need them to be someone with the right character, someone who have the ability to help improve the nation while remaining apolitical.
Actually, do we have any of the "reformed" nobles in our country? You know, the kind that didn't abandoned the nation after the civil war and stayed behind to help stabilise the new state. Those people seems like the ideal candidate for this since they would have experienced the best and worst of both eras.

>>6235517
Aye, it would make sense to try and find the best candidate we can, IRL I know 1 romanov became a fairly successful businessman across the 90s-2010s. QM, any input here?

>>6235518
If it wins, then the chosen candidates will be vetted to make sure they aren't horribly incompetent.

>>6235519
Perfect, so they'll only be slightly incompetent!

>>6235325
>The Reformists (NCYK)
>The Democratics (OЗД)
>The Monarchists

Democratic constitutional monarchy with socialist characteristics. A monarch as a visible symbol binding us to our past, either our noble heritage or our support of the whites. Depending on how much power they have, they could act as a counterbalance to the other parts of government. A new socialism for the dawn of a new millennium.

>>6235325
Actually I'll switch my vote >>6235524 to support >>6235334
I didn't read the state of the vote because I'm in a rush. Just give me my schizofrankennation

>>6235524
A figurehead monarch shouldn't have an official power to me, his real power should come from how much the population like him and how much he could sway them to his cause. A monarch who did a lot of good and is popular with the people should be able to get the various factions in the country to listen to him because they might fear losing popular support, while an unpopular monarch could be safely ignored as long as he stays out of trouble.

>>6235325
>>6235334
The vote ends, and the Nationalist Soc-er, Reformist Monarchists take the vote with 9 to the closest runner up's 6.

>>6235816
Man, our neighbours will be so confused.

>>6235836
Boris yeltsin: What the fuck do you mean they brought back the Tsar?!

>>6235842
>I need a drink. The hard stuff.

>>6235324
>>6235325
>>6235816
Mr. Lebedev nods, utterly bewildered by the very concept but doesn't let that show. He steps out of the room as the two primary factions within the Council Committee for this vote bicker as he sends some aides to let the HCEK, ПГC and Monarchists know that they have been accepted and will be working together. He also tells the aides to let them know that they will be informed of the specifics of the decision once their representatives arrive at the CCECC Headquarters. Entering the room again once the...conversation had died down, Vanya takes his position at the head of the room as a new batch of documents are laid out before the assembled members.

"This next topic of discussion is, arguably, just as important as how we govern the nation. While we can have a central body creating laws, we must also have agencies which enforce them which are not *directly* tied to the military. Our Militsiya are moderately funded and equipped, however with the marked increase in reports of organized crime coming in from our eastern and southern borders; particularly in the realms of drug smuggling and prostitution, the average police are simply not trained to handle this degree of criminality. The Oskovian Ministry for Internal Affairs has requested an expansion of funding and the use of military training grounds to bolster the numbers of our Internal Troops; which I should remind you fall directly under the command of the CCECC most times. The Ministry holds jurisdiction over militarized police such as the OMOH and the Interior troops of the VV, both of which fall outside of the military's command structure and can be deployed within our borders without many of the issues we may face attempting to do so with the army proper. Provisionally we have accepted this request, however there are certain...former members of prominent groups who have an alternative idea."

"Of the several thousand former citizens of the DDR who have applied for asylum within Oskovia, a number have made their status as former members of their Ministry for State Security. They, as well as members of the КГБ have proposed the establishment of a covert policing force which they have offered to help train. Both were world class intelligence agencies, and the collaboration of their agents would undoubtedly create an effective organization. We must also consider the diplomatic implications of accepting members of the Staatssicherheit as members of our government. Additionally, establishing this agency would draw from funds we were to assign to the Ministry of Internal Affairs."

>>6235886
"There is one alternative already put on the table by one of your own which might allow for a degree of compromise. Creating the "hybrid military reserve" proposed by >>6234458 would allow for recruitment and training costs to be considerably reduced for the same effect if members of this reserve would be forwarded to the MVDO for assignment into internal roles. Additionally, and this is an idea proposed by the HCEK, allowing women to be recruited into the Internal Ministry's forces so long as they pass the same fitness requirements as their male counterparts may also help with sourcing manpower. Ultimately, the decision is up to you to decide."

Where should funding be allocated?
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.
>A State Security agency developed from the Stasi and КГБ could end up being the best in the world! We can find other ways to fund the MVDO.
>Write-in

Should we implement the reforms for the military?
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
>No, we don't need to reduce the size of the military.
>Write-in

Should the MVDO be allowed to recruit women?
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?
>Women? Even in the internal forces? They can't be serious.
>Write-in

>>6235842
Does this mean we will become the fourth Rome?

>>6235887
>A State Security agency developed from the Stasi and КГБ could end up being the best in the world! We can find other ways to fund the MVDO.
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
ALthough if 'warlike' situations happen we may have to increase size again.
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?
Although standards cannot be dropped for such.

>>6235887
>Funding
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.
While I am not against granting asylums to former members of the Stasi and KGB, I don:t think we should let them be the backbone of our internal security. If anything, we should hire a few of them on as unofficial advisers to distance ourselves from any unsavory business they may have committed in the past.

>Military
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
I doubt we'll be going to war anytime soon. And I'm sure our economy would benefit from the influx of strong, working age men, too.

>Women
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?
The old CCCP constitution already established equal rights for women, might as well let them in if they can keep up.

>>6235887
>A State Security agency developed from the Stasi and КГБ could end up being the best in the world! We can find other ways to fund the MVDO.
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?

>>6235887
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.
An overreaching state security apparatus takes us back to the dark days of the Soviet police state and provides a vehicle for infiltration into our government (the pre-2014 SBU was riddled with Russian spies). The Stasi are the last people who should be allowed near our government.
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
This meshes with the MVDO. I'd rather quality > quantity with the option to rapidly call up mass if needed. Just make sure those reserve vehicles are stored properly and Private Conscriptovich is not stealing the wiring.
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?
Did socialism not teach us of the equality of Man? Those who wish to serve and can serve will serve.

>>6235887
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
>Women? Even in the internal forces? They can't be serious.

>>6235887
>A State Security agency developed from the Stasi and КГБ could end up being the best in the world! We can find other ways to fund the MVDO.
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?

We're still in a transitory phase. Letting the men of the former KGB and Stasi head it would mean access to their now headless networks would it not? I don't want to give IntAff both spies and police to play games with.

>>6235887
>>A State Security agency developed from the Stasi and КГБ could end up being the best in the world! We can find other ways to fund the MVDO.

>>No, we don't need to reduce the size of the military.

>>Women? Even in the internal forces? They can't be serious.

>>6235887
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.
It's really for the best interest for our nations to boolster our internal forces as they can be able to enforcer order and bust down criminal cell , and also as most tempting is getting the former Stasi and KGB as they would be easily able to infiltrate and pacified these criminal cell. I fear the international backlash would affect our nation's standing

>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
Like I've mentioned before it's for the best to cut down the fat of our army, and refined them into more competent forces

>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?
As long they put their weight and complete the standard, it should be fine really. After all the Old Union already gave the words for the women that they can work for the nation.

>>6235887
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?
Just don’t lower the standards for them.

>>6235887
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.
Im extremely hesitant to give any sort of power to the former stasi let alone the fuckin KGB
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?

>>6235887
>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.

>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.

>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?

>>6235887
>>A State Security agency developed from the Stasi and КГБ could end up being the best in the world! We can find other ways to fund the MVDO.
>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.
>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?

>>6235886
>>6235887
Calling the vote here. The results are:

>The MVDO approached us first, so they deserve the lion's share.

>A strong, capable, if slightly smaller military would fix a number of problems before they arise; not to mention plenty of reserves in case of wartime.

>So long as they can meet the standards expected of any other recruit, why not?

Final vote for the round now in progress.

>>6235886
>>6235887
>>6236500
With the matter of internal affairs settled, one more set of documents are passed to each member of the Council Committee. The heads of the documents are all stamped with a "TOP SECRET" stamp, with most staffers being ushered out of the room before a projector is wheeled into the room and Vanya begins to speak.

"The immigration of many former citizens of the DDR is not simply due to a nostalgia for Communism; from what we have gathered from interviews conducted by our border and immigration agency, their recent reunification was not as smooth as public perception would have the world believe. The very terms of the Federal Republic and DDR's reunion were for the most part dictated to them by President Bush and Prime Minister Thatcher; and are a large part in why the current government have been selling off the DDR's industry. Put simply, they intend to undertake a long term plan to pacify the region by deindustrializing it and rendering the population mostly dependent on the Unification government to ensure, and this may sound absolutely absurd, that the rise of nationalist leanings can never take root."

"Many former DDR citizens feel as if their own countrymen are treating them as an occupied nation, and if what we have learned is true then it is very well the case in fact as it is in theory. This matter is being brought to the attention of the Council Committee as there has been a proposal to broaden the acceptance of these peoples by reclassifying all immigration from the former DDR to asylum seeking status; perhaps even a government in Exile, though this latter idea is rather extreme in my own opinion. Having polled the Civilian Interest Groups on the matter, of those we have chosen to embrace none have raised any considerable issue to this proposal outside of a desire to ensure their presence does not disrupt the lives of our native population."

>>6236526
"Additionally, there has been a proposal by the existing emigrated population to establish their own Raion within unsettled and undeveloped lands to our west, bordering Krasvo. While this may provide a sort of buffer zone between us and Krasvo, the idea is impractical unless the immigration of Germans expands beyond the rate we have now."

"Within the documents before you, which should be destroyed after this meeting is adjourned, are details on a number of groups within eastern Germany which are anticipated to give rise to autonomy movements in the near future as well as the evidence we have to support the idea that the current German government is treating their reunified territory as an occupied nation. While we cannot do much about this in our current state, it was felt that it would be best for all members of the Council Committee to be made aware of this and updated as the situation changes. With that, I will leave you all to your votes."


Should East Germans be granted asylum status?
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?
(A small East German minority will be created within Oskovia)
>While we must take heed of the developing situation, it is simply impractical to take in more than we are. If they truly wish to enter the country, we have procedures already in place that their countrymen are already making use of.
>Write-in

[Only to take effect if asylum status is granted to all East Germans]
Should a Raion for the Germans be established?
>We can take this a step further, an Autonomous Raion for the Germans can be established! The DDR will not die!
>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.
>Perhaps this would not be a good idea. We welcome them, but they must integrate as any others would.
>Write-in

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?

I’ve always seen East Germans as the cream of the crop so no qualms about expanding our population with them.

>Perhaps this would not be a good idea. We welcome them, but they must integrate as any others would.
>Write-in
That being said, we don’t have a good enough grasp on our country to start cutting pieces off. Maybe we can find some cultural exchange programs instead, help teach the langue, etc

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?
We are a small nation with a large agricultural base. The more manpower the better. It would be great to have some skilled workers to help with our new industry too.
>Perhaps this would not be a good idea. We welcome them, but they must integrate as any others would.
I want to avoid creating ethnic or cultural enclaves, those always result in troubles down the line. We should integrate them, but not rush it. Wouldn't want to make them feel unwanted.

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?

Expanding our population and helping a brotherly people out is all good.

>Perhaps this would not be a good idea. We welcome them, but they must integrate as any others would.

Before we engage in wild fantasies of sponsoring some sort of east German autonomy movement (just a weird, needlessly hostile idea that invites retaliation), we should make sure that the new arrivals don't get any funny ideas of autonomy (at least not beyond what is granted should the raion idea win) or of separation from their new homeland. While the idea of populating undeveloped/unsettled land is perfectly fine, and the new immigrants can certainly be a part of that, we ought not create an enclave. German culture need not be suppressed, which language they speak at home need not be dictated to them, but they should integrate.

Maybe if we come to form some larger pan-former soviet/pan-Slavic polity in the future, then ideas about east German liberation can be bandied about, but not before. I guess that would go more smoothly if the exiles retained much of their culture, so I guess that is a point for the autonomous raion idea. I don't like it though, seems very forward thinking, to the point of uncertainty.

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?
>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.
A part of me really wants to keep the DDR alive lmao

>>6236548
I can't blame you. The DDR got style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvEzFW_pH1g

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?
We oughta help our Socialist Brethen who are been exiled from their former home, who are not even sure if it's going to exist even more in the future
>We can take this a step further, an Autonomous Raion for the Germans can be established! The DDR will not die!
The Spirit of the Volga Deutches still Live on!

>>6236550
The communists have such catchy tunes.

>>6236527
>>6236548
You know what, changing my vote to
>We can take this a step further, an Autonomous Raion for the Germans can be established! The DDR will not die!

>>6236527 #
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited

>We can take this a step further, an Autonomous Raion for the Germans can be established! The DDR will not die!

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?
You vill accept ze immigrants.
>Perhaps this would not be a good idea. We welcome them, but they must integrate as any others would.
We can come back to this later if the Germans press it enough. For now, we implore them to integrate.

>>6236527
>Can't we get something better? Why don't we talk with the Federal Republic from our trade connections, get a quicker and aided movement between there and here going? They don't want the DDR, and we're happy to accommodate the DDR, it's a win-win.
>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.
>Write-in
It isn't as if anyone loses from learning another language, and becoming polyglots should be something an Oskovian can be proud of in the future. Why not offer an optional course of German in our schools, alongside Oskovian?

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?
>Perhaps this would not be a good idea. We welcome them, but they must integrate as any others would.

>>6236621
you know that might be a good idea as well lmao

>>6236621
>It isn't as if anyone loses from learning another language, and becoming polyglots should be something an Oskovian can be proud of in the future. Why not offer an optional course of German in our schools, alongside Oskovian?
I'd support that too

>>6236527
>>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?

>>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.

I just have a strange thought. Imagine if we take in all these communist asylum seekers from all the former Warsaw Pact nations, and now they're all (nominally) ruled by a newly restored monarch.
The whiplash must be insane, probably about as bad as what those Germans get when they went from Kaiser -> Fuhrer -> Prime Minister (Communist) in the span of a few years.

>>6236527
>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?

>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.

>>6236527
>>The East Germans, while not historically, have become a brotherly peoples in socialism. How can we let them suffer injustices while we have the opportunity to help, even in such a limited capacity?
>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.

>>6236527
>>6236570
I'll change my vote again to support
>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.
While I a small DDR sounds like fun, it probably isn't going to win. Maybe we can do it later, lmao.
Also having an administrative zone for them is better is better than just trying to quickly integrate them.

>>6236812
>While there is no doubt they will be loyal and productive citizens, the establishment of their own administrative zone may help their integration into the nation with their own pocket of German culture and language. Things like this should not be rushed as they were for us Oskovians.
Ditto
Shame that we can't do the small DDR
But again making them have their presentation and their administration zone would benefit us in the long term.

>>6236621
Sure, why not?

>>6236527
>>6236526
The votes are in:
Asylum will be granted to all who wish it from the DDR.

An East-German Raion with VERY limited autonomy will be established.

Resolve post for the round in progress, might end up being the last post for the weekend as I'll be out of town until Monday or Tuesday.

>>6237068
>>6230940 (OP)
June 2nd, 199X
8:30am Moscow Time
Central Committee Headquarters, Valgrod, Provisional Republic of Oskovia

As members of the HCEK, ПГC and the Monarchist CIGs filed into the old government building; there was a certain air of excitement permeating the group. While they all found it a bit strange that the other groups had been invited, none raised verbal issues with the current arrangement. They all sat down in a large conference room, with a spread of hot beverages off to the side; and as a well dressed Apparatchik stepped into the room, the doors closed and locked behind him. Mr. Lebedev smiled, cleared his throat, and began to speak.

"Good Morning, Toвapищи. We have much to discuss here, and all the time in the world to do so. Please, make yourselves comfortable."

As he nodded, aides filed in through another door and began to pass around packets detailing a provisional plan for Oskovia's government broken down into several, detailed and easily digestible sections ranging from internal economic matters, foreign relations, and even a step by step plan for implementing these changes down to exactly at what stages the nation's name would be changed to reflect their current state.

Each man seated had to admit, it was very impressive. Each man also almost immediately began to raise their own issues and proposed changes or reforms to the plan laid out to them. Vanya sat back in his seat at the head of the table, a steaming cup of tea at his right hand side as the conversation became slightly heated between the Reformists and Nationalists. This was to be expected. There would need to be much in the way of compromise. Then one of the Monarchists raised the question of exactly who would be made Tzar. All hell broke loose. Lebedev took in a deep breath, grasped the handle to his mug of tea and took a long sip.

This was going to be a long day, because until they all reached something they were all content with; no one was leaving this room.

>>6237097
July 12th, 199X
11:12pm Moscow Time
Valgrod, Provisional Social Republic of Oskovia

"You're listening to the BBC radio global news on. Our top stories tonight; South Africa votes to uphold their Apartheid system, with talks between South Africa and Namibia on the topic of remigration of black South Africans continuing in what looks to be a gradual easing of racial tensions which had reached their height with the death of world controversial figure Nelson Mandela some years ago. In other news, France has confirmed the successful test of a nuclear weapon in the South Pacific, an armed standoff in Canada between their government and the Mohawk native of the town of Oka, the nation of Oskovia; recognized by several nations in the east and west, announce the arrival of members of the Romanov family as contenders to what they claim to be the restoration of the Tzar of Russia, mass protests against the German government by various civil rights groups in the former East Germany, and President Boris Yeltsin of Russia declares a public crisis in the wake of rising organized crime. It has been almost..."

The news is drowned out by the laughing of the drunken mobsters out in the hallway, though it was barely audible anyways. Svetlana Korovela, once again, debated trying to just get them to kill her rather than go through another night of humiliation like this. The daughter of a respected officer in the Soviet Army, of the VDV; sold like a piece of meat and made to sell herself. For all the government's talks of stability and prosperity, she could hardly care what a bunch of fucking bureaucrats in the city center droned on about. Not like anything they did would help her, nor the other dozen girls here. Like she even cared about them.

It looked like the fucking gangsters had gyped out on paying for air conditioning for this month, as the room was so hot she had to remove the only real connection to her past life; one of her father's jackets, and toss it into the corner of the dingy room. There was a faint knocking sound on the door to the building, the series of knocks that "customers" were supposed to use. A pit formed in her stomach as Sveta mentally readied herself to just...check out for the night when gunshots rang out through the hallways. Her eyes shot open, looking around for any place to hide out. What the hell was going on? Some rival group looking to muscle in? No, the shots were coming from newer rifles; 74s. She remembered the sounds, not like the older AKs or Tokarevs the mob used. The shots came in short, controlled bursts...it was the military?

>>6237099
"MBД! ПOДHИMИTE PУКИ B BOЗДУХ! CEЙЧAC ЖE!"

>"Чepтoвa cвин-"

The exchange of shouts was happening right in the room down the hall, cut short by more gunfire. Loud gunfire. Boots crashed against the hardwood floors outside, the supersonic crack of bullets whizzing by the closed door had Svetlana tossing the "workroom" bed frame up, the stained and stinking mattress flopping off as he ducked behind it. Better than catching a stray round after all. Adrenaline coursed through her as thoughts raced through her mind. Confused and terrified screams from girls in other rooms began to be drowned out by the sounds of racking mechanisms and the distinct BOOM of a shotgun going off. Two doors down, one door down...the door to her room had its hinges blown off in spectacular fashion as it flew open; a man quite literally having jump-kicked the door in.

All in all, the raid was a stunning success for the MVDO. A number of known pimps were apprehended or liquidated and a large amount of contraband seized pending destruction or storage as evidence. That, combined with the very public news broadcast of Internal Ministry officers having rescued a number of women sold into prostitution made them almost celebrities overnight; recruitment into the organization nearly tripled in the weeks to follow, almost a fifth of those numbers being women. One of those women had been brought out that very night. The medical exams and psychological screenings would be the easy part, the physical and mental training? Much different.

>>6237101
July 9th, 199X
Central Committee Headquarters, Valgrod, Provisional Social Republic of Oskovia

The reports on the new Raion on the western border were looking quite good, matching expectations. Most of the newly arriving Germans were making their way over unless work kept them elsewhere within the country. Already, the local police had received a number of tips of suspicious men who were being assumed as agitators from Krasvo making their attempts to embed themselves into the country; this was good. It would be concerning if there weren't any reports being made, and already the number of these reports went well beyond what had been considered the norm since their neighbor had started these incursions.

The only hiccup they had received had been a diplomatic missive from the German government requesting that they halt labeling their emigrants as "Refugees" or "Asylum seekers" publically. Something which could very safely be ignored as by now Oskovia had gotten all they wanted from the nation, and was simply fulfilling their stipulated obligations to provide natural gas in the estimated amount worth the purchase price of the factories and tooling shipped over. Already there were talks from the new Raion of an Oktoberfest celebration this year, no doubt throwing some token funding and public support would go a long way in making their transplanted population feel all the more welcomed; perhaps wanting to experience Oskovian culture in return.

Seven months into the Nation's founding, and things began to look better and better as time passed on.

>>6237103
Krasvo, huh. Well, let's hope Novusk and Gorodnika are better neighbours.

>>6237068
Enjoy your trip, QM

>>6237068
Have a good one, QM.

>>6237099
>Nelson Mandela dead
We're living in the Berestein timeline, aren't we?

>>6237101
nice pic

>>6237148
>We're living in the Berestein timeline, aren't we?
the what

>>6237226
you never heard of that?

>>6237226
Mandela Effect. People mass misremembering things, the biggest example of which being Nelson Mandela dying in prison; where in real life he didn't. Came damn close in 1988, which is when he dies in PSSQ.

>>6237099
>mass protests against the German government by various civil rights groups in the former East Germany
I wonder how bad it's on Germany considering that we are having somewhat of a Mass Exodus there.
I'd imagine the image of a "Perfect Reunification" is shattered by this remigration

>>6237233
I forgot about the bears, I only remember the mandela thing
>>6237234
thanks for the recap

>>6237244
Wasn't it pretty bad in our timeline as well? A lot of the industries going into private hands and then immediately sold off, leading to massive loss in economic and employment potential in the region.

Great quest, QM - very entertaining, just caught up

>>6237583

I’m not an expert but having spent a couple weeks in Ost-Deutschland in the mid 2000s, the economic depression there was real and some people were still mad about it.

However, I’d also point out that the local media environment in East Germany pre-Wall collapse was obviously quite biased, and anecdotally, my sense was that at least some of these people preferred the “everything is great, tovarisch!” propaganda rather than actually learning about legitimate economic problems in their area…

Tl;Dr - comparison is the thief of joy

OP ?

>>6239223
See >>6237068

>>6239223
I still live, those damn Khmer Rouge agents haven't gotten me yet.

New round begins tomorrow, spread the word!

>>6237103
>>6237101
>>6237099
>>6237097
July 9th, 199X
8:30am Moscow Time
Central Committee Headquarters, Valgrod, Provisional Social Republic of Oskovia

Vanya is wearing his nicest suit today, it's a custom piece done by one of the tailors he recommends to everyone who asks about his clothing. He's gone to the man for years, and with the post-collapse economic boom he's proud to say that his tailor has been doing better than ever. It's the sort of loyalty which can only really be fostered when one party is at its lowest, sticking by them until they're back on their feet and staying the course. Arguably, the same could be said of all the members of government who stayed in Oskovia during the initial chaos of the Collapse.

"Gentlemen, today we have quite the important decision to make. We are a Provisional Social Republic, one that is to combine all the best aspects of Communism, Third Positionism, and Monarchism. We have achieved the former two, but now we must decide who shall be joining us here as our sovereign. We have two candidates, of the Romanov Family and the Oskovian Obnizov Family. Both candidates have been authenticated, and either would likely prove a boon in a leadership position."

"Prince Nicholas Romanov is the disputed heir to the Tsar Nicolas II, with some who care much about family lines in an age past that of grand monarchical empires claiming his parent's marriage invalidated these titles. Even if that is the case, he is still a Prince and more than capable a candidate. He has much experience in the agricultural sector, but perhaps more interestingly he worked for the American Psychological Warfare agency in the post-Great Patriotic War years. While he has not been in the service of the Americans for several decades, he has assured us that he has retained more than an insignificant amount of what he learned while in their employ."

"Count Yuriy Obnizov is descended from ancient Oskovian tribal chieftains who were given their titles by the Tsars of early Russia during their expansion eastwards in the aftermath of the Mongol Empire's fracturing. The Obnizov line served Kolchak's army with distinction during the Civil War, and were able to slip through the cracks of Lenin, then Stalin's secret police, until the Khrushchev years where they were permitted to publicly "renounce" their noble titles in exchange for amnesty. This was due in large part to the patriarch of the family becoming rather influential within the Oskovian CCP's titanium industry so they could not be easily shuffled out. The family maintained their military service, with the Count himself being a veteran of Afghanistan with some awards to his name."

"With these two on the table, there is also the question of exactly how much power is to be delegated to them upon their ascension. Of course we are not about to grant them absolute power like some French king, but there is some merit to not having their position be entirely ceremonial. Both have experience in leadership positions, in their own ways, and could perhaps break deadlocks in decision making should they be granted a vote here within the Central Committee. Ultimately, as in all things, that choice is for you all to make."

Who will become the Tsar?
>Long live the house of Romanov!
>Long live the house of Obnizov!
>Write-in

What sort of position should the Tsar be allowed to have?
>Purely ceremonial, like the monarchs of Europe or Japan.
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Romanov!

The romanovs have a certain prestige behind them that the locals wont

>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

Never hurts to have a former American spook with us

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Romanov!
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

Doesn't have a stake in the local industries to favour, and perhaps more influential with our neighbours and half of our population. Leave the operational generalship to the generals.

>>6240002
Welcome back, Comrade QM.
>Long live the house of Romanov!
While I’m sure Count Yuriy is a capable leader and an ideal Oskovian, having a Romanov on the throne would open many doors in international diplomacy. That said, his ties to the Americans are a tad bit concerning to me.
Perhaps Count Yuriy could serve as Minister of Royal Affairs - a sort of chief advisor to His new Royal Highness? He’ll need a prominent local figure to help him integrate into our society and stay informed about our traditions and customs, after all.
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?
Born in France, studied in Italy, served in the US, worked in Egypt. It would be nice to have a unique, new voice in our council. And I'm sure the monarchists would riot if don't give him a place to express his opinion.

Good to see this back!

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Obnizov!
I don't trust a former agent that had connections to capitalist intelligence.
>Purely ceremonial, like the monarchs of Europe or Japan.
The monarchists should be grateful either way.

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Romanov!
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240002
>>Long live the house of Obnizov!

I don't trust the ties to the west.

>>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240002
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?
>>Long live the house of Obnizov!
I would argue that Oskovian royalty should rule over Oskovia rather than the tsar of all Russias. This would also help us not antagonize the current federation.

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Obnizov!
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?
No Romanovs, because that would bring some weird casus belli shit.

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Obnizov!
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240002
>>6240026
>Long live the house of Romanov!
1+ this seem the best of both worlds on having a Romanov would be a great way to get the worldwide recognition and as well the prestige of elevating our nation on the Map. But as well that we can have Yuriy as the Minister of Royal Affairs as He could the advisor on the royal highness as he could teach him about the oskovian custom and aswell giving him a good rundown about the situation in our region and neighbors, as he could be Pyotr Wrangel for our cause. Because at the end of the day it's just better to have both monarch figures even if one is just the advisor, as way to create a unification image for us
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?
Also plus doing some extra research, we can see that Nicholas is quite savvy with bussiness, his skill would be perhaps usefuls for the council of our great state.

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Romanov!
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?
We need a spook.

>>6240002
>>6240118
+1 for this Anon, seems the best mixture

Potentially we could restore the Count his title as a lesser noble in some form? Open up lesser noble titles to be granted to Oskovians as rewards for great achievements?

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Obnizov!
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Obnizov!
This royal family and the communist faction will work better off together if history is anything to go by.
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?
We can always remove it later if they get uppity.

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Obnizov!

>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240156
Honestly I can see that
To give more legitimacy on the monarch matters for representative and such

>>6240088
I’ll add lesser, more ceremonial titles granted to citizens for great achievements to this vote.

>>6240002
>>Long live the house of Romanov!
>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240041
Why would this antagonize the Russians? If anything, having a Romanov on the throne might help them with their monarchist problem since we're currently open for immigration right now.
It's not like we're going to press Prince Nicholas' claim to the Russian throne or anything, right? Right?

>>6240683
>It's not like we're going to press Prince Nicholas' claim to the Russian throne or anything, right? Right?
lol
lmao, even

>>6240041
Counterpoint, Fuck the Russians


seriously though the Russian federation should be a hot mess for a good couple of years so if we are going to to do things that piss them off nows the time

Honestly, I'm just conflicted

On one hand, reviving the Romanovs would be based. It would be a gigantic middle finger to the USSR, which is based.

On the other hand, crowning the descendants of your ancient chieftains seem a lot more 'local' and 'cultural', it would certainly allow Oskovia to difference itself as more of an independent nation rather than simply a breakaway soviet state.

>>6240708
Yeah, I'm of the same thought. Which is why I proposed having Count Yuriy serve as a chief advisor to Prince Nicholas.
My hope is that Count Yuriy would help naturalized Prince Nicholas to our culture and show him the beauty of our nation. Hopefully Prince Nicholas will turn out to be like Maximilian I of Mexico, just without the whole execution by firing squad thing.

>>6240710
My biggest worry would be that Nicholas could have been compromised by the Americans. Yuriy, having a direct interest on the land and being from there, is far more likely to wield his power to strengthen us.

Plus, Yuriy would allow us to develop our own culture and the idea of an Oskovian nation-state.

>>6240002
>Long live the house of Obnizov!
Don't want to be an exact copy of the Ruskies

>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

Seeing as conversation is still ongoing, I'm holding off on calling the vote for another few hours.

>>6240716
His connection with the Americans is certainly concerning, but I still think it's worth the risk. His Royal Highness comes from an old family with ties to royals and nobles across Europe. Having him serve as both a figurehead and our nation's ambassador could open up new diplomatic opportunities in Europe and beyond.
As for Count Yuriy, his personal stake in the land and his local origins might actually be seen as a drawback for the neutral, unifying figurehead we’re trying to establish. He may already have existing loyalties or biases toward some domestic groups, which could influence his judgement on national affairs.
That said, I have no personal objections to either candidate. I simply believe that having a Romanov on the throne would bring greater long-term benefits to our nation.

>>6240724
Alright. How about this.

We choose the Romanovs, BUT we also formalize Yuriy's "Count" title. We can even have a whole ceremony supposed to echo how the first Tsars of Russia gave the Obnizovs said titles in the first place.

That way, we get to have the Romanovs, but also keep our 'local' family going on for cultural matters.

>>6240725
I don't mind. Sounds like what >>6240156 is proposing. Something like a homegrown Order of the British Empire.

>>6240728
I was thinking as more of a cultura thing, you know? But generally speaking, yeah, I'd like to do that. I don't know if I have to vote for that specifically as a write-in or something, but that's what i'd like.

>>6240729
Well, it probably doesn't hurt to write that down as a write-in. It'll be up to Comrade QM to judge whether it's ok or not.

>>6240002
>Write-in
Romanovs become the Tsar, but the Obnizov's title as counts is legally recognized for the sake of cultural matters.

>Give them a seat at the Council; are not all peoples to be considered of equal voice under socialism?

>>6240734
+1 cause its based although I do think people are vastly underestimating how much Russia would care about us bringing back the Romanovs.

>>6240811
One could also argue that it would be useful in the way that anyone who wanted to larp as a tsarist could just go to our tiny-ass republic instead of bothering them. Any 'Monarchist' emotions would just be vented into an irrelevant country instead of any actual dreams of restoring them.

>>6240817
Well it's dangerous for the same reason Kazakhstan continuing to larp as the soviet union or the entire existence of Taiwan is dangerous. Bringing back the Romanovs is effectively declaring ourselves as a direct/indirect successor of Imperial Russia and all that entails especially when it comes to legacy and claim justification. Being a bit meta here while maybe Yeltsin would tolerate it for a more authoritative or revanchists figure like Putin us bringing back the Romanovs is the perfect justification to invade us to reclaim Russian legacy. (Granted such a figure would screw with us either way if we don't bend the knee but you get what i'm trying to get across I hope)

>>6240831
Well, that kinda depends on how we estabilish ourself as a country. I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not sure we're big enough to be independent in the long run. Even if we have local industries, we're not nowhere different or populous enough to be able to maintain a singular state in a situation where, for example, the other 'breakaway' states started conglomerating.

But anyway...who's even winning the vote, the Obnizovs or the Romanovs?

>>6240834
If I counted correctly it's tied 9 to 9 effectively at the moment. (I was going to link all the votes but 4chan thinks that's spam apparently)

>>6240039

Here

I'm willing to compromise for this plan, >>6240710
>>6240725

>>6240837
if it's still a tie, we should do the plan in >>6240710

Alright, calling the vote here but the actual post won't be up until tomorrow. Got caught up with things, needed to ask the shadow council for assistance. You all know how it is.

The Compromise option gets the vote thanks to
>>6240839
and
>>6240840

>>6240710
>>6240725
Honestly I really like this Compromise, as it's basically the best of both worlds scenario

>>6240001
>>6240002
Accepting the idea of compromise, Vanya takes one of the aides to the side before returning to the table as they leave. He rolls his shoulders before nodding his head towards some of the other aides still in the room who begin to pass around documents. The pages contain a buffet of information on our neighboring countries; Krasvo, Gorodnika and Novusk in particular for obvious reasons but also some light information on Tarnivsk, Batovia and Kardovya as well.

"Oskovia is in a much better position than we were during our first meeting, and much like in that first week we must consider our relations with our neighboring countries. All have, for the most part, weathered their own storms of problems and have begun to establish some form of relations with one another. In this, we cannot afford to be left behind."

"Fortunately, we already have some inroads due to our decisions made in our first meeting so it is not unreasonable to assume that whatever we decide to pursue will show results much faster than if we had focused on the international market. But, I digress."

"Out of all of our neighbors, Krasvo is currently the only country we have any sort of negative interactions with; their constant attempts to subvert our internal affairs being well known to the MVDO by this point. Eventually something will need to be done about this, and to that end I am already compiling a list of options which should be ready by our next meeting."

>>6241244
"The others, namely Gorodnika and Novusk but also those surrounding them, have begun informal talks of organizing some form of wider regional treaties for the benefit of all Ex...all post-Soviet states. We have been made aware of formal talks beginning in a week's time and Oskovia has formally been invited to partake as an equal partner; the question on the table being what should we push for?"

"Trade agreements are the obvious choice, more resources of greater variety and quantity would greatly benefit the nation. We could also push for Migration treaties; which contrary to how it sounds would be more of a means to soften our borders with our more amiable neighbors rather than allowing more of them inside the country. There is also the idea of pushing a mutual aid treaty, forming our own sort of "pocket pact" in the case of any larger nation attempting to engage in diplomacy by any other means."

"Ideally we push for all three, but we should not try to push our luck on this. We have been fortunate that our nation has done as well as it has, but that does not mean that those across the border have not. We are being treated as equals after all, not the grand regional power."

What should our aims be for the talks?
>Standardize trade agreements.
>Softer borders mean more focus on those which require military presence.
>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.
>Write-in

>>6241246
>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.
Preparing for the worst. I think the only trap option here is the migration treaties, because all of the Post-Sovs are "ethnic" republics drawn around those kinds of borders. Trade agreements could be beneficial depending on how specialized or dependent things are.

>>6241246
>Standardize trade agreements.
Trade is the lifeblood of nation after all. Migration treaty and defense treaty would form naturally as our trade ties grow stronger.
Although, I'm not so sure about the migration treaty. We're all "young" nations here, anymore migrant influx might change our national characteristic entirely.

>>6241246
>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.

>>6241246
>>Standardize trade agreements.

>>6241246
>>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.
Post Soviet 'EU, but not EU'.

>>6241293
that's kind of what Russia's CIS is

>>6241260
It's a good thing if we want to poach some population from our less stable siblings, and in general just encourage bonds between the rest of us. The states aren't on a solid enough ground to only reap benefits though.

>>6241246
>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.
I almost want to do this and trade as well, but that warning about pushing our luck is also important.

>>6241246
>>Standardize trade agreements.

>>6241293
Question if we go the mutual aid route what do we do when Russia inevitably asks if they can be a part of it?

>Standardize trade agreements.
For now atleast

>>6241246
>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.

>>6241246
>Standardize trade agreements.

>>6241246
>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.
>Standardize trade agreements.

>>6241246
>>Alone we would hardly be able to put up a fight to foreign "interventions"; look at any nation which the United States has sent their forces into. Mutual aid would go a long way.

>>6241344
Wouldn't that be a good thing? Russia would try to influence our region anyway, having them as part of the pact would at least mean that they wouldn't try to force us to do things through military threats.
Though, I suppose if we really want this to just be a regional thing, we could vote for them to be an observer of some sort.

>>6241982
Russia would still be trying to fuck with our politics, as they did with Georgia and pre-war Ukraine in real life

>>6241982

What
>>6242074
Said. If Russia genuinely wanted to join our mutual aid pact thing 95% chance it's because they would want to subvert it for their own regional influence/benefit.

PC restarted, lost the original post, and been generally busy for most of the day. Apologies for the delay, next turn will be up tomorrow!

>>6242237
>>6241246
>>6241244
With most in agreement, Vanya makes a note and hands it off to one of the Aides before shifting towards the final topic of this meeting. A topic which, possibly, could lead to far more prospects for Oskovia in the future. He clears his throat both to speak and for attention to refocus, before beginning.

"Our last topic of discussion for the day is one of much importance. We must decide how we are to enter the "global stage". Our dealings with international powers in the past few months have been limited at best, so if we are to receive widespread recognition by the major nations of the world we must do so on their terms. We do not have to like it, but we can ensure we rig such dealings in our favor and on our terms."

"The most obvious and closest choice would be to work with the Russian Federation. So far, our relations when they are had have been relatively cordial and we have little reason to believe that at this point they will not treat us seriously. While in the past this would have certainly put us on a "side"; since the CCCP's collapse both Russia and the West have been warming in their own relations, which would be quite good for us."

"On the other hand, we could reach out to NATO. Not as a member state of course but overtures might go a ways towards furthering our goals of recognition. We've shown thus far that we are not some tin-pot dictatorship that will collapse with the leader's death, and with the West and Russia normalizing relations it is not considered likely that this will antagonize our neighbor to the east."

>>6242568
“Our third option is to become neighborly with the European Economic Community. Fortunately our ignoring of Germany's requests to not label their refugees as such has played out exactly as expected, and with our continued exportation of Natural Gas we can firmly state that we have an inroads with Europe "proper". This would do nicely for trade dealings, though how much influence this will give them over our economy as a whole is unknown. Still, it is our safest bet."

"Of course we could always just stay the course and attempt to legitimize ourselves to the rest of the world indirectly as we have been and not take any sort of risks. There is, however, one path that we can take alongside any of these options. The United Nations, of all people, have approached us and extended an invitation for observer status...if we agreed to deploy a company of Oskovian troops as UN Peacekeepers. Apparently we will be granted our own command over them, with some mandated Rules of Engagement and the like; the idea has already been floated by our command staff and most believe it will at the very least be an opportunity to allow at least some of our forces to become experienced in real combat if such occurs."

With that, Vanya rests in his seat and awaits the Council Committee's response.


Which path to recognition should we take?
>Russia, as we had in the past
>NATO, pushing past old squabbles
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
>Stay the course
>Write-in

Should Oskovia provide the UN a company of Peacekeepers?
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.
>No, the UN is positively toothless and our people would be doing nothing!
>Write-in

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.
Yes, I'm a simp for the Eu how can you tell?

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

Build ties, so that we are not so easily brushed off. Also a company is practically nothing in terms of manpower or expense, even for us.

>>6242074
>>6242095
I know they'd try to influence us and everyone around us, which is why I said
>at least mean that they wouldn't try to force us to do things through military threats.
>>6242569
>Russia, as we had in the past
>Write-in: Yes, but also reach out to our neighbours to see if any of them would be willing to support our peacekeeping mission with their own volunteers. Present it as a joint exercise designed to give our troops a chance to train and operate together
I don't know about the EEC. The rougher unification of Germany in this timeline gives me a bad feeling for the future of Europe.

>>6242569
>It might sound ambitious, but we should create a union of our own with like-minded members.
The fourth option.
>Write-in: Yes, but also reach out to our neighbours to see if any of them would be willing to support our peacekeeping mission with their own volunteers. Present it as a joint exercise designed to give our troops a chance to train and operate together

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
We better tip-toe with the military alliance and recognition from either NATO or Russia, as we aren't quite *Geographically able* to align with NATO, due of our border with Russia. However, we can't align with Russia, as we might alienate with the rest of europe. The safest and the most productive option would be the EEC, as it's set the course of our nation to gain a bountiful harvest from our economical crops.
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.
The reasoning is that while yes, we have the hindsight that they ideals seem too naive and too foolish on practice, We can't deny that by deploying our troops as UN peacekeepers would boost the international recognition and getting our nation in the spotlight of the world (via wether Humanitarian Aids and their Humanitarians "Wars"), plus also it would be a much needed "Trial by fire" proving grounds for our ground troops and armored corps.

>>6242569
>>Russia, as we had in the past

>>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

Don't like to ask more of our neighbours, especially when we're already asking a lot with the mutual aid thing.

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

>>6242569
>Stay the course
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

>>6242569
>EEC, taking advantage of what we have
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.
Let's do our best to learn as much as we can from fighting, to better the whole military further!

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

>>6242598
Sure they probably wouldn't outright threaten us but only because they wouldn't have to, after all now they would have the implication especially if they manage to get troops stationed in our country.

>>6242668
could end up with a Transnistria-type situtation

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
Probably a happy middle ground and best way to get western high-tech industry in the country

>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.
Unless they commit war crimes, high reward low risk.

>>6242680
if they commit war crimes, we can still get a little bit of good out of it by making sure to quickly prosecute the soldiers responsible

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
Seems like a neutral path forward. If we align toward Russia or NATO we probably will get drawn into a larger game we don't benefit from.
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.
The UN is not perfect but it is what exists and it'd be better to make a good showing and gain some good will with the west. The EEC would probably look at our support of the UN positively.

>>6242569
>Stay the course
>Write-in: Yes, but also reach out to our neighbours to see if any of them would be willing to support our peacekeeping mission with their own volunteers. Present it as a joint exercise designed to give our troops a chance to train and operate together

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have

>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

>>6242569
>The EEC, taking advantage of what we have
I want to pivot West a bit, but NATO is too far West and not in our interest. The EEC will never let us join outright because we are not democratic, but we can develop ties and deals with the rest of Europe this way. Anyone want some batteries?
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.
Effective peacekeeping is a good way to build international approval. We can and will bend our RoE if needed to fulfil our mission and be Blue Helmets with teeth.

>>6242569
>>Russia, as we had in the past
>Yes, this would be an excellent opportunity to test our men and turn some heads in our direction.

>>6242568
>>6242569
August 9th, 199X
10:30 am Moscow Time
Valgrod, Sovereign Social Republic of Oskovia

"...Jamethorpe from the BBC reporting live from the Oskovian, or perhaps we should be saying Imperial capital of Valgrod with the coronation of Prince Nicholas Romanov to Tzar of Oskovia. This is a momentous occasion, with visiting royalty from across the world having arrived earlier this week to attend, including our own Queen Elizabeth and Diana, Princess of Wales."

As the reporter trails on, the crowd of thousands hearing as the Oskovian national choir begins to sing "God save the Tzar" as the Prince takes to the stage; flanked by Count Obnizov with the two seemingly having good conversation by their expressions. The mood is utterly elated, with a number of flags being waved from the Oskovian CCP's to that of Romanov era Russia. Ultimately, the coronation proper begins with the playing of the nation's provisional anthem; an instrumental rendition of the March of the Siberian Rifleman, having been chosen for its significance to both the Communists and Nationalists/Monarchists which made up the government.

The crown is lowered upon the Prince's brow, and Prince he is no longer. Tzar of the Oskovians, the Romanov dynasty so cruelly cut down, restored to their rule over Russian lands; if only technically. Cheers erupt from the crowd, but there is a commotion as well.

Officer Korovela had mixed feelings about being assigned to guard duty, but now that she was finished in the ladies' room she was feeling much better. It sounded like the Prince was about to be crowned, and she was hurrying along back to her post when she saw a man beginning to move towards the front of the crowd. Pistol in hand. Before she knew it her boot was sailing towards the back of the man's legs, her own service PM in hand and pointed towards the back of the man's head.

The commotion was somewhat noticed, though as it radiated through the crowd the lack of any loud and obvious threat kept things out of the international public's eye. But the Tzar saw. Nicholas was seated right in the line of sight to see a man get kicked down by one of the MVDO officers. Dear God, was that an assassin? The light sweat which formed at the thought went unnoticed as the rest of the coronation went unspoiled; from swearing his oath to lead and defend the people and nation of Oskovia to his "granting" (really reaffirming) of the Count's title back to him. All in all, things had gone quite well.

>>6243097
August 14th, 199X
1:24 pm Moscow Time
Minsk, Belarus

It was day three of the talks, and already the room was boozed and talking in the most casual of manners. Representatives from Gorodnika, Novusk, Tarnivsk, Batovia, Kardovya and of course Oskovia had spent the past few days talking about a number of topics and unlike back home; all the discussions had gone smoothly. There was a TV which cycled through national news every hour on the hour; a source of much light-hearted ribbing depending on what news channel was on. Currently it was Oskovia Telecommunications, and the current news story was about some woman in the MVDO being celebrated for apparently stopping an assassin during last week's coronation of the Tzar.

Everyone was talking about it, mostly that Oskovia was nuts for not only inviting the Romanovs back but also for having women in any sort of armed forces. Alexi Pugacevko, Oskovia's chief representative and just as buzzed on shots as the rest of them, retorted that the Koro-whatever girl was worth ten-no a HUNDRED of their own internal troops; that she had a pair of cast-iron balls the size of her tits and had been in the mob or something. He couldn't remember. Honestly he was just saying shit to get a rise out of the others and it was working. All according to plan.

Over the next hour, slowly the topic of discussion shifted back towards actual matters of state; discussed in the best of states. Total inebriation, and the very chummy, friendly stage of it too. By 2:40, Pugacevko had almost every signature of the assembled reps on a piece of paper eloquently titled the "Outline for the need of Fraternal Assistance to the Brotherly People of the republics of the former CCCP in the case of strife." Those who hadn't would in time. All in all, things had gone quite well.

August 19th, 199X
8:30 am Moscow Time
Central Committee Headquarters, Valgrod, Sovereign Social Republic of Oskovia

Approaching the EEC had been easy, getting volunteers for the Peacekeeping mission to Angola had been easy, but actually talking to the EEC was a nightmare. The Godless bureaucrats which Western Europe produced had managed to create an impenetrable malaise of red tape and swamped their own representatives in a tide of poorly translated legal documentation and utterly absurd stipulations. But this was almost to be expected. The goal was never really to get into the EEC, but to make themselves known. Already, Oskovia had received official recognition from most of the member nations and that was more than enough to begin stalling the EEC on anything "official" when it came to joining.

It was the best that could be expected, and Vanya awaited news from Angola; in any form, to share with the Central Committee. Tzar now included.

>>6243097
>Failed assassination Attempted on the tzar
oh god, I have the feeling that maybe some of our neighbor, didn't took a liking toward it, innit?

>>6243262
interrogation time

>>6243098
Long live the Tsar! Long live Oskovia!
>>6243262
I bet it's the bloody Krasvonian again. They had it out for us since the time of the Union.

>>6243468
We may need evaluate out options regarding Krasvo in the near future, with this assassination attempt potentially being the last straw if they are behind it. They've been a constant nuisance that may have just upgraded itself to threat.

>>6243097
>>6243098
August 30th, 199X
8:30 am Moscow Time
Central Committee Headquarters, Valgrod, Sovereign Social Republic of Oskovia

The room was relatively lively with conversation; unsurprising considering the results of a particular interrogation having been disseminated among the Council Committee. There was a new face in the room however, three in fact. One was the finely dressed Tzar himself; Nicholas Romanov. He looked relatively relaxed, engaging in some light and casual conversation with some of the Committee members alongside his closest advisor; Count Obnizov. The two had become quite close friends since they had met, who knew that two deposed nobles could have so much in common.

Then there was Colonel Belnikov, the highest ranking member of the MVDO who could be forwarded to the Council Committee as an advisor for matters of national security. He was currently speaking with Vanya at the head of the room, both seeming to agree on something before the Colonel took his seat as the meeting finally began. Mr. Lebedev takes his spot at the head of the room and begins.

"Gentlemen of the Council Committee, I am pleased to see all in good health; more so that our newest additions are making themselves comfortable here. As you are all no doubt aware, the would-be coronation assassin was found to be a former member of the Vanguard Party. The implications of this are clear, Krasvo can no longer be considered a mere nuisance. While we have no concrete evidence that the man himself was ordered by their government to conduct the attempt, there can be no doubt they were at least tangentially responsible; this cannot go unanswered."

The Colonel stands, Vanya yielding the floor to him as he begins.

"Respected members of the Council Committee, we are simply put, in a slight bind. Without solid evidence we cannot justify any over actions to our neighbors who may see such actions as belligerent. This then leads to the issue of our lacking intelligence apparatus...while a number of interestingly qualified individuals have entered the police force in the aftermath of the vote on internal affairs; we also cannot easily order them to attempt to infiltrate Krasvo."

"Mr. Lebedev and myself have attempted to draft several proposals, but none of them were solid enough to warrant genuine appraisal. Unfortunately, unless we want to risk the ramifications of an open war against Krasvo; we need an outside perspective on the matter."

With that, Belnikov sits down and yields the floor to whoever wishes to speak.

What measures should be taken, both internally and externally, to begin dealing with the "Krasvo Problem"?
>Write-in

>>6244635
Comrades of the Council Committee, I propose that we contact our allies in the mutual aid treaty and ask whether they too have suffered from Krasvo aggression, or if they suspect any internal unrest may have been caused by Krasvo.
While we currently lack solid evidence to justify overt action — and I would strongly advise against taking such steps, as they may further destabilize the already fragile situation in our region — we can at the very least coordinate with our allies to limit Krasvo's influence in other nations. This could include a mutual intelligence-sharing pact, joint border patrols, or other collaborative measures.
As for internal affairs, I would once again like to propose hiring some of the recently immigrated former KGB and Stasi officers to serve in a special department within the MVDO focused exclusively on protecting the nation from external subversion. I sincerely hope we can avoid creating an atmosphere of distrust and paranoia like that fostered by the secret police in the former German Democratic Republic and Soviet Union.

>>6244635
>>6244651
Bringing a case against Krasvo would break apart what little unity the post-Soviets have. The only path we can take is to bide our time. Heighten security, watch the red party, and look over the borders and whatever channels of information from west to here. Hand this over to the new recruits or somebody else with competence. Once we have enough to hook them with, we approach others, and make it clear that we each are sovereign in our internal affairs.

We could try implicating them more, make it so that they were clearly involved when they weren't, but do we even have an asset in Krasvo?

>>6244651
>>6244682
Can we sort of bait out the Krasvo agents in our country? They have to have some people in our country to help move things in their direction. I don't wanna go after Krasvo for this yet if they have agents embedded in our government or critical industries. Same with other countries. I don't want to go to one of this other republics and let them know Krasvo is giving us trouble if it turns out they're going to support Krasvo over us. If we need to hire a few experts from the ex-Stasi and KGB to help the MVDO on this that sounds good to me.

Maybe we hold some type of nation wide military drill to push back on Krasvo until we know more?

>>6244718
The likely trouble we'll face in that direction is,
>>6235324
>"The second on the list are the Socialist Vanguard Party, which are well past old minded communists. They are Stalinists, with more in common with Krasvo to our west than any other group. It is for this reason, and some others, that we believe that they are being heavily influenced and possibly funded by our western neighbors as a means to pull more into their attempt at a sphere of influence."
The networks are probably embedded in people embedded to that party or is ideologically driven enough to make up for the structure. The fact that we crowned a Romanov makes a cleanup without a reason worse.

As for the Stasi and KGB, we already recruited them? They're the new recruits. We could look for more, but then we'll have to ask them why they didn't show up voluntarily at first and all the related consequences from that makes its roost.

>>6244635
We can do what China did and purge all of the foreign agents in our country. I forget how they did it, though.

>>6244815
They did show up and approached us, asking for funding to make a big State Security. But we chose to fund the MVDO instead.

>>6244718
>They have to have some people in our country to help move things in their direction.
That's true. That could be the first task of the new department.
>I don't want to go to one of this other republics and let them know Krasvo is giving us trouble if it turns out they're going to support Krasvo over us.
Comrade QM, can we get a rundown of what each nation in our region is like? It's a bit hard to plan foreign affair when you don't really know what the other nations are all about.

>>6244882
Novusk is the only one of real note outside of Krasvo, with their leader and Lukashenko being good friends even before the collapse of the USSR; same with Batovia (part of the reason he let them break off in the first place). For the most part, Gorodnika, Novusk, Tarnivsk, Batovia and Kardovya are all fairly standard republics with varying levels of corruption. For the most part they're more than pleased with Oskovia being the up and coming regional power, what with our choices so far having been very beneficial for both us and our neighbors instead of appealing solely to any of the larger powers. Their opinions on Krasvo, however, that you'll have to put effort into finding out. There's an answer they'd give you, and then their true feelings after all.

>>6245194
*We're* the regional power? With our one province and zero access to the Black Sea?

>>6244635
Support >>6244651

>>6245211
We're king, or rather, Tzar of the dirt mound right now. Even then, only because we managed to get a very solid military.

>>6245211
Post Yugoslavia collapse Serbia larping.

>>6244651
Support to this,it's for the best to consult within our others neighbors on the regions about the "Krasvonian Concern" rather than just going full jingoist about it
we barely have the Tsar/Count and the recognition from the world's eyes, and the last thing we want is to alienate our reputation here.
Let's not be crass here

>>6245194
>There's an answer they'd give you, and then their true feelings after all.
Let me guess, they enjoy Oskovia having a belligerent rival they can help if Oskovia ever gets 'ideas' that make things hard for everyone else (read - them).

>>6245226
>Even then, only because we managed to get a very solid military.
Huh, we only got the 792nd Motor Rifle Division and 87th Airborne Battalion alongside some hand-me-down East German equipment. The situation in other nations must be quite grim.
>>6245312
I love it. God is an Oskovian. Remove Krasvonian.

>>6245477
our military is probably the only one that isn't corrupt as shit

>>6245477
what >>6245480 said post soviet armies are notorious for horrible corruption and weve focused heavily on making sure our army is worth a damn

>>6245485
Then I suppose we should be thankful for General Chebotaryov and his command staff.

>>6245480
>>6245485
We brought in a retired general to start training some new officers, got them new equipment and created an internal gendarmerie which are all very good, but none of these measures directly address the causes of military corruption and all have the potential to aggravate the issue instead (particularly #2) with a heady mix of patronage, indifference, petty theft, embezzlement and kickbacks.

We might have avoided the worst of the issues, but corruption was deeply embedded in Soviet and by extension post-Soviet society and it's not something you can solve easily without a massive and concerted effort to rip out the rot at its roots and it's likely still a plague in the command structure and rank and file alike. Sweep out corruption in the political sphere and high command, pay members more to live on, increase accountability and auditing of records, scrutinise contracts and procurement orders, demonstrate that there will be no tolerance or mercy for the corrupt and work to erode the culture of dishonesty that the Soviet Union left us with and we should see improvements. It will take a lot of time and focused effort with major reforms and years of effort to vanquish this endemic problem. I don't know what's been going on in the background but think corruption would still be a big problem in the armed forces at this time.

>>6245503
i'm not saying there's no corruption, just that ours probably has the least

Going to leave things open for another day at most. Mostly because life's gotten busy for me.

>>6245194
Based on this, I support
>>6245319
>>6244651

I don't think the rest of them will be worth much, but better they are useless for us than not.

>>6245752
Will vote the same as this anon

>>6244635
Make our security service better and uncompromised by foreign powers, and make sure this cannot happen again.

>>6245739
Get better man
Hope for the best Post-Soviet Man!

>>6244635
Unfortunately it looks like the quest will have to go on hiatus for a few weeks. The past few days I've been dealing with getting what's essentially a promotion for work, and now that I have it I'm going to need to go in for training. Rest assured, Post-Soviet Sate Quest will return; when it does I'll announce it in the general thread.

>>6246361
The wheels of democracy turn slowly, or something like that. Hope to hear from you soon, QM.

>>6246361
Thanks for keeping us in the loop. Hopefully this council will reconvene soon, see ya comrades.

>>6246361
Congratulation on your promotion, Comrade QM.

>>6246361
Congrats, QM. Wish you the best in your job.

>>6246361
Aw Man, well I wish you the best of Luck on your work
And Glory to Sovereignity of Oskovia!

While the QM is gone. What are you guys' vision for our nation?
I see a few leaning towards integrating with the other European economies and a few wanting to stick with Russia.

>>6247912
think it's less wanting to stick with russia and more just trying to avoid pissing off russia leading to later problems

>>6247912
I want to break free from Russia's orbit. Whether we accomplish that via a pivot to the west or establishing our own bloc among the other former SSRs matters not, I just want to keep Ivan at a safe distance to safeguard our neutrality. To that end, while I'd prefer to maintain good relations with the east if we can, I'd rather build links with both the rest of Europe and our other neighbours (except Krasvo) and strengthen ourselves internally to ensure that none of us will ever become the Bear's plaything.

>>6247912
I'm fine with either being with in the Russian sphere of influence or staying neutral. So long as we don't align with the westerners and the USA, since they tend to not be trustworthy.

>>6248041
reminder that the vast majority of reasons why Russia's current relations with the US and the west are shit are Russia's fault

>>6247912
For me, this >>6248018 but economically I'm fine with integrating with whoever.

>>6247912
I just want us to be the Switzerland of Eastern Europe, which is kinda why I don't want to lean too quickly to the west while Russia is still vulnerable/getting back up. They might get a bit jumpy if we're seen as helping the "enemy." Though, I suppose it won't be that bad at first.
In-character, I would prefer sticking with other nations in our region or Russia since I doubt it would be that easy to shake off the old Soviet patriotism.

>>6248536
that's not something we really need to worry about until Putin gets in and their regression starts

>>6248604
Oh, don't worry about Putin. He won't be an issue. Chechnya will...lets say, sort him out.

>>6248621
must be a timeline where they either won the first chechen war or didn't get betrayed by kadyrov in the second chechen war

>>6248623
That much is left to be seen, but no Putin dies.

>>6248621
>possibly unstable Europe
>now possibly unstable Russia
Oh boy. How are you going to destabilise the Americas and Asia next.

>>6248836
>china fragments again
>America enters another depression
>Mexico has another revolution
>South America becomes one giant battlefield

>>6248896
would be interesting to have the USSR's collapse trigger a slightly later collapse of the CCP

>>6248896
>Random monarchist route
>Multiple POVs
>Instability out the arse
>Possible civil war waiting to breakout everywhere
>Minor historical changes
It's like I'm really playing a HoI4 mod!
Now all we need is for Japan to go to war with China and for the Soviet Union to rise from the grave.

>>6248963
more likely the Russian Empire returns with our choices so far lol

>>6247912
Become the Prussia of the eastern-bloc.
We have an emperor and everything.

have anons archived this already ?

>>6263323
unknown

Is the quest kill?

>>6263544
QM said he'd be away for a few weeks