This is an incel/blackpill post, fuck off if you are going to complain. No one is forcing you to be here.

I've seen some videos on YouTube from this guy talking about incel vocabulary and how inceldom is a cult, and of course the comments are anti-incel too. I argue that it's quite the opposite; anti-incel ideology is centered around denying realities because they're uncomfortable.

Nobody who lives in reality denies the fact that height matters to women. Nobody denies that women like more attractive men. Let's do some basic math: a woman who wants a guy in the top third of both face and height is only interested in 11% of men (assuming that they aren't correlated). Add on more things like race, income, behavior, and that number gets smaller.

Am I saying that a guy below 6'0" will be alone forever? No. I don't think it's controversial to say that 5'5" guys will ON AVERAGE have a harder time with women than 6'0" guys. I'm using height here because it's simple to understand and it's been proven to matter. Add in whatever traits you want, and that's basically incel ideology. It goes much deeper than that with things like "betabuxx", dual-mating strategy, etc., but at its core, it's just acknowledging that some men will be fucked over.

There's more that I'd like to cover but this post is already huge.

TL;DR "incel ideology" is just basic realities that make people uncomfortable.

>>81471428 (OP)
Anti-incel communities are just pro-simping communities. The west relies on simps to maintain it so there is no greater threat to it than people who spread incel ideology like Andrew Tate.

People have so many definitions of incel. But what I found funny is how the YouTuber/TikToker says he infiltrated the communities as if they're some hard to find areas of the internet. I keep naturally gravitating towards them as a dysgenic man.

>>81471428 (OP)
It's just pilpul, they will always lose because they have to perform insane amount of mental gymnastics and maintain lies that will only keep wearing down their own target audience. Incels don't have to do anything, they just point at something and it's right there. It's effortless. Lies have a shelf life. The truth is always there.
>>81471446
>Andrew Tate.
...is a gynocentric hustler who's ultimately trying to sell you motivation. If you are that desperate for a figurehead, go with a real one. His opinions actually represent the incel community.
>no matter what you do, ultimately you are the sum of your genes and there's comfort to be found in just letting go

>>81471428 (OP)
>how inceldom is a cult
I've noticed this too, isn't your God a guy named Chad?

>>81471457
I like his content too, but he's obviously just being as any progressive would be, which is to avoid the nihilism-inducing facts. I'd be willing to explain to him my beliefs more but I hope it wouldn't end up with me being called a misogynist or whatever instead of an actual discussion.

>>81471446
Basically. Women can do no wrong, if they don't like you then it's your fault, and you will be an orbiter whether you like it or not.

>>81471515
>isn't your God a guy named Chad?
You probably aren't here for actual discussion, but no, Chad is not our "god". Chad is just a word for a guy that gets a lot of female attention.

>>81471515
Incels have no beliefs, it's not an ideology. Most of it is just observation and acceptance.

Theres no real point of arguing with people like this, if god himself came down from the heavens and vindicated us, they still wouldnt admit to it simply because they would get too much backlash, and the social suicide they would go through just isnt worth being right.

>>81471502
>It's just pilpul, they will always lose because they have to perform insane amount of mental gymnastics and maintain lies that will only keep wearing down their own target audience.
The facts are there. Studies and surveys show many blackpill/incel claims to be true. Being an anti-incel involves making up 2000 reasons as to why the facts aren't actually facts and women are in the right.

>>81471515
>>81471537
>>81471545
He's just a reddit tourist or some variation of normalfag, i'm not even an incel and i understand all your blackpill ideology becuase a lot of it is based in reality.
Just ignore him after this he's here to troll and spread normalfag, basedboy platitudes

>>81471545
This. Not all incels/blackpilled people have the same beliefs, but they all align somehow.

>>81471560
Pretty much, it's a taboo topic that goes against notions of egalitarianism that modern society was founded on, so people will always be afraid of it

>>81471568
Figured as such, it's easy to tell when someone just wants to argue instead of have an honest discussion.

>>81471564
You do realize that I was agreeing with you?

>>81471502
I'm not a brown European therefore I am not a member of Hustler's University, it's just a fact that Tate is the most influential person in the world who spreads incel talking points and it's not close.

>>81471596
Yep, I was just adding on my two cents.

>>81471602
But you do understand why his takes are still gynocentric, right? He still thinks of women as a prize to be won and presents you with options to impress them. All of his ideas revolve around women.

The blackpill oriented discussion that became the standard in these circles is mostly focused on alternatives, coping, like video games, escapism, that sort of stuff. There's no implication that you would ever be able to impress a woman and no self-help shit is being peddled. It's not a place where you can sell things.

Andrew Tate is just a low hanging fruit for women because the real incel population doesn't have a figurehead they can point at. They are just out there on the internet and deep down women know that our thing is infinitely more threatening to their way of life than Andrew Tate's antics but they can never even acknowledge our existence because the implications actually horrify them. Not because of anything related to violence, but simply because they too realize that the world runs on undesirable males and males run on motivation. Their lives are one missed shipment away from disaster and they are most definitely not equipped to deal with this situation, so naturally they will simply pretend that everything's fine and keep bashing something that's actually visible to relieve stress and to reassure themselves. But we know, and deep down even they know that fatigue always wins. There's no way around it. Most men will just give up on life because that's their best option.

>>81471428 (OP)
yeah, most incels just listen to pinkerton and think about killing themselves
also this dudes thing is etymology and words but just doesn't understand the shit he's saying about the actual meaning and use of the words he is citing
dude has not interacted

>>81471923
My gripe was with how he was describing inceldom as a cult when it's really just the truth of the world.

>>81471446
tf does Andrew tate have to do with incels?
>me think 2 groups mean to foids so 2 groups must be same thing
stfu glowie retard

>>81471961
it's lonely people, no one actually gives a fuck about the "ideology" because it doesn't really exist

>>81471726
>He still thinks of women as a prize to be won
They are, why even bother denying this.

>>81472045
>They are
...for those who even get a ticket to participate.

>>81471428 (OP)
Can't believe people listen to what this sub-5 says about anything.

>>81472053
I know it's unfair. I just think we should be honest. There wouldn't be billions of dollars in the sex industry if that weren't true, and obviously it only flows in one meaningful direction.

>>81471726
>>81471964
Most normies (simps) use incel to mean misogynist. Tate is a power-seeking misogynist. You're right that he is not a true blackpilling incel though but I imagine a powerful misogynist is seen as even more problematic to the status quo than an eggman disciple.

>>81471428 (OP)
Just go outside retard (original)

>>81472071
It's a phenomenon I've noticed, average guys who get enough female attention to not hate them vehemently defend them. It's almost an anti-nihilist act, "I'm good enough to get women, life will be ok."

>>81472116
>I just think we should be honest
That's kinda the point of this whole thing. Self-help shit works for those who have something to work with, for them this buzzing around women and building your life around them kinda shit might work out, maybe. Usually doesn't end on their terms and they get a bad deal out of it, but it might amount to... something.

However, for people who DON'T have something to work with, it's a straight scam and more often than not, they get more joy out of life by just giving up. Pornography, like you said is their only relief. Anyone who's trying to convince these people to do better wants to extract what they can from them, the establishment and women obviously want their labor, grifters want the few pennies they have, but I don't think it's an audience that buys into that bullshit anymore. Giving up is becoming normal whether they like it or not.

>>81472045
A prize is something you have to work for and earn. Chad doesn't work towards getting women, they just gravitate towards him automatically because he was randomly born into an aesthetically pleasing body. In this way, women aren't a prize.

>>81472213
>Self-help shit works for those who have something to work with, for them this buzzing around women and building your life around them kinda shit might work out, maybe. Usually doesn't end on their terms and they get a bad deal out of it, but it might amount to... something.
Not who you're responding to but that's my exact mindset. Do your best in terms of looksmaxxing, physical health, money, etc and once you truly have nothing left to improve then it's over. Might as well throw all of the darts at the board

>>81472212
Sadly this would've been me if I was a 5/10 instead of a 3/10.

>>81471446
>>81471502
Both blackpillers and Andrew Tate talk about the importance of genetics. Andrew Tate more or less says small, short, ugly men are bad and should be ashamed of their existence. There are videos of him mocking short men. Conversely, blackpillers say small, short, ugly men are merely victims of circumstances beyond their control.

>>81471428 (OP)
i saw this guy in my recommended yesterday too. it always baffles me when sub5 men deny the blackpill seeing as it applies the most to us, the guy in picrel being no exception. my guess is that hes so oversocialized, estrogenic and leftist that to label incels as anything less than evil would imply hes sympathizing with them and get him ousted from his pseudointellectual social group. its a trend with those types to value presentation & optics over the truth so you cant be surprised when they label all who speak it with as many negative buzzwords as their pozzed mind can come up with

>>81471428 (OP)
Incels are the scapegoat to normalise the profound disconnect modern culture has from a meaningful sense of community, not just existing in the presence of other people but being connected to them. No one will complain about it when they think the only people who suffer from it are these evil goblinoid men with bad hairlines and porn addiction. The incels were always going to suffer from it worse but the goal is to simply make it normal for human behaviour as a whole going forward. People interact but don't connect and no one values anything.

>>81472172
This is where we have to disagree. I think the likes of Andrew Tate are actually very convenient for the establishment. Not just for the reason I stated above(being a visible punching bag), but also the very essence of his message is to try harder. Women and the establishment don't care about misogyny, they care about people being invested in the system because without it, they have absolutely nothing.
Eggy never made any man show up at an amazon warehouse in search of a better future and he never sold you a book that told you that it COULD have a happy ending.
These grifters? They probably convinced a good chunk of people to keep trying, at least temporarily, before fatigue consumed them as well.

There's no real solution to any of this, there's no un-ringing this bell, they will try to put on band aids and plug the gaps here and there through mass migration, but ultimately, it's just going to rot away. The heart wants what the heart wants, there's nothing to be done. It's the fate of every society that's built on lies and false premises, such as the idea that women's affection can be EARNED.

>>81472299
>There are videos of him mocking short men.
I know, but did you ever see him tell short men that they should simply give up on life to preserve their own dignity and just live on their own terms? I didn't, but I only watched a small portion of his content.

>>81472316
>my guess is that hes so oversocialized, estrogenic and leftist that to label incels as anything less than evil would imply hes sympathizing with them and get him ousted from his pseudointellectual social group.
Yeah. "Incel ideology" is involves accepting that we aren't all born equal and we are limited by genetics. It also accepts sex differences behaviorally. Liberals are extremely averse to admitting those things are true because it assumes some people are just worse off due to their genetics.

>>81472299
Tate's a narc. People like that are never worth listening to, a broken clock is right twice a day but ultimately their primary agenda is feeding their own ego. Ironically it also explains why they do so well in such a dehumanizing world we've created, and women still respond to their motivation and drive even if it's purely selfish.

>>81472409
Yeah, he basically says they're genetic failures and will never be men.

>>81472373
>Not just for the reason I stated above(being a visible punching bag), but also the very essence of his message is to try harder.
Double-edged sword. Some guys truly just need to make the right adjustments and they will find someone. Some guys will never even become a betabuxxing cuck.

>>81471428 (OP)
>everything I dislike is a cult
I actually found this faggots videos at least entertaining however I always knew he was a leftist faggot and that his politics would get in the way of his work.

its just more dehumanizing rhetoric to create an acceptable "other" to bully, blame and unite against.

>>81472568
I'm not a zoomer, who is this guy

>>81472455
Fair enough. I still doubt he said that in the context of "I don't want short men participating and I don't want them purchasing any of my merch".

>>81472577
Etymology Nerd on YouTube and TikTok. He makes good content but like the other said, he's a liberal and it has shown in his videos on incels.

>>81471515
Is incel your demon? Same shit, its just a descriptor or a stereotypical archetype for certain people. Its literally no different at all in than the way you use the term incel.

>>81472541
>Some guys will never even become a betabuxxing cuck.
But the question is, if that's all you can strive to be, is it ultimately worth it? Is a life of being merely tolerated worth the effort? If you're not actually loved, a woman will definitely remind you of that every single day.

>>81471428 (OP)
>Nobody who lives in reality denies the fact that height matters to women. Nobody denies that women like more attractive men.

There is nothing for women to be shallow and like tall handsome men. Is evolution, what kind of selfish mother doesn't want the best for their children and that include the best genes.

>>81472577
He's a popular guy that abused the algo to show up in everyone's youtube shorts. His basic gist is in 5-10 seconds he will give you interesting facts and information about etymology but recently he did a video about incels being a cult. He's done other liberal bullshit before but this one blew up and got the attention of incels and created a rift in his viewers because despite what he may have believed, incels are also humans who can be mildly interested and entertained by etymology.

>>81472688
What is bad is the societal gaslighting that looks and superficial things do not matter.

>>81472688
Sure, but then you have to admit egalitarianism is a lie. You have to accept that its also 100% perfectly acceptable for men to reject whores, for men to refuse to hire women for being women.

>>81472661
>But the question is, if that's all you can strive to be, is it ultimately worth it?
Nope, that sucks, and it sucks for that guy.

>If you're not actually loved, a woman will definitely remind you of that every single day.
Agreed. My point was that some men could improve enough to hopefully find what they're looking for. Some can't. Might as well try before quitting.

>>81472688
If women actually wanted the best genes and best lives for their children, then they would select for traits like IQ and civility, which they don't. Shorter women would not reproduce (genetics goes both ways). What was relevant for 190,000 years of our existence is not relevant in modern society. Hell being tall, strong, big, and imposing means nothing anymore since the invention of guns. Society has changed, so beneficial traits have changed too.

>>81472688
A very fair argument and there's nothing else to be said. You are completely right. However, where does that put the men who aren't the best, in this equation? What incentive do they have to secure the perimeter for someone else's offspring?

>>81472731
>Shorter women would not reproduce
When women make these arguments, always assume that they're talking form a position of solipsism. These things don't apply to them because they genuinely can't understand that they are not the centerpiece of the universe. She can't be selfish because only her perspective exists.

>>81471428 (OP)
The real truth of anti-incel, simp liberals is that they can't create anything the culture wants. Incel ideology took over by default despite massive censorship simply because there's nothing under the sun for liberals. They only bring out the old, tired doctrine of the 60s and 70s that is not only not true but is tedious. We're on the cusp of liberal destruction, they had their time in the sun but now the incel rises.

just date a fat slut

>>81472718
Absolutely

>You have to accept that its also 100% perfectly acceptable for men to reject whores
It should be 100% acceptable to slut shaming women.

>for men to refuse to hire women for being women.
I believe in equal opportunity, but not equal outcomes. Only people who meet the requirements should be hired and not by lowering standards.

But you have to accept that if women can choose who they mate with and have children with, they'll choose the best genes. And humans aren't gene sequencers. So women have to look for superficial things like attractiveness.

>>81471428 (OP)
Well, the issue here is that the blackpill (in its most-popular form) states that only looks matter when it comes to how attractive you are as a man. But that's patently wrong. For example, a man's socioeconomic status is a massive contributor to his attractiveness. The blackpill model doesn't reflect that. I'd say something like the redpill is more accurate, because besides looks it also includes things like status and money as important variables determining attraction, which simply aligns more with research findings.

>>81471602
Tate is much closer to a redpiller than a blackpiller. He's not out there telling people that "it's all looks bro" Eggman style.

>>81472841
>For example, a man's socioeconomic status is a massive contributor to his attractiveness.
That's called betabuxxing by incels. Also falls under "Dual Mating Strategy".

>>81472737
>However, where does that put the men who aren't the best

If you are not sub-5, your best bet is to lookmaxx as much as possible, increase your wealth as much as possible and pray to whatever god you believe that your mating game is good enough for the modern dating market.

>>81471923
>pinkerton
Fakecell album. The first track is literally about how Rivers Cuomo was tired of fucking countless women.

>>81472863
I meant that in a very rudimentary setting, the guy was talking about evolution. What would happen in a tribal environment if a few males kept hoarding women and expected the rest of the males to take care of their needs? It doesn't take a genius to answer that.
There's a reason the homo sapiens evolved as a strictly monogamous species, in spite of certain female urges. It couldn't have survived otherwise.

>>81472856
That's wrong, because those "theories" posit that women aren't actually attracted to socioeconomic status and only leech on men who have it (who they consider subpar), and that they only do so because the hot guys they're actually attracted to wouldn't commit to them or they aged and can't attract them anymore. But then how come famous musicians who look like thumbs plow through more groupies in a year, than any male model will in his lifetime? How come Fredrick Brennan got laid because he was a mod on Wizchan? How come Chris Chan got a girlfriend? The blackpill doesn't explain such things. It's a severely flawed predictive model.

>>81472827
>I believe in equal opportunity
Except you don't when it comes to dating. Why lie? You only want "equal" opportunity that benefits you.

>women will choose the best genes
No, they'll choose the most attractive ones. There are many instances in nature in which females specifically choose attractive genes and it ends up being a detriment to the species.

>>81471726
>but they can never even acknowledge our existence because the implications actually horrify them. Not because of anything related to violence, but simply because they too realize that the world runs on undesirable males and males run on motivation
Well put.

>>81472827
>>81472936
Semantics and strawmen. Incel here, women are attracted to power. Musicians are perceived as powerful or potentially powerful. Christ Chan had a huge following making him powerful and even then she dumped him in like a month.

>>81471428 (OP)
> I don't think it's controversial to say that 5'5" guys will ON AVERAGE have a harder time with women than 6'0" guys.
But that's wrong.
A 5'5" man in the age bracket of 18-20 has the exact same lifetime sexual partner count as a 6'0" man.
there is literally ZERO difference in number of sexual partners.
Hell, the 5'5" man has on average MORE sex partners than a 6'4" man!
So - your assumption is WRONG.

>>81472979
Shitty data.

>>81472903
>I meant that in a very rudimentary setting, the guy was talking about evolution. What would happen in a tribal environment if a few males kept hoarding women and expected the rest of the males to take care of their needs? It doesn't take a genius to answer that.
>There's a reason the homo sapiens evolved as a strictly monogamous species, in spite of certain female urges. It couldn't have survived otherwise.

Polygamy is more common than you think. In a tribe setting what happens those women will have A LOT children with very few men and the men who are not that lucky they probably die virgins.

In the modern West what is going to happen is that women are not going to settle until they find a man that matches their standards, the birthrates are going to collapse, society will get old and you will end with a lot of single middle age women and a lot depressed single middle age men.

>>81472951
>Except you don't when it comes to dating. Why lie? You only want "equal" opportunity that benefits you.

Don't get me wrong, you have the right to talk to her or sign to tinder, that is your equal opportunity. But she has the right to reject you. That is the outcome.

>>81473005
>In a tribe setting what happens those women will have A LOT children with very few men
Who are you quoting again?

>>81472988
>Anything that contradicts my ignorant guess is fake
lol

>>81472969
See, what you're referring to as "power" has been studied to actually be socioeconomic status. But even if you disagree with this, if you believe that what you refer to as "power" plays a big part in a man's attractiveness to women, then you agree with me, that the blackpill is inaccurate.

>>81472936
>But then how come famous musicians who look like thumbs plow through more groupies in a year, than any male model will in his lifetime?
That's just an assertion, does that happen regularly? If it does then sure, being a famous musician might help with women due to the status and idolization. Can everyone become a famous musician?

>How come Fredrick Brennan got laid because he was a mod on Wizchan?
I don't know who that is.

>How come Chris Chan got a girlfriend?
Wasn't she a literal child?

>The blackpill doesn't explain such things. It's a severely flawed predictive model.
Exceptions don't negate rules. If I grabbed 1000 guys that are below average in looks and height and 1000 guys that are above average in looks and height, which group do you think will have more success with and options for women?

>>81472827
>I believe in equal opportunity,
I never saw you arguing against DEI and affirmative action.

>>81473005
>polygamy is more common than you think
I doubt it, if anything I over estimate it.

>a lot of single old people
And a declining birth rate, this is not going to end well. Modern society is very carefully crafted system upon systems upon systems and requires a lot of maintenance.

Modern society is the only thing that permits your feminist bullshit to exist. You can be so far systemically removed from the butchering and raising of your cow that you believe chocolate cows exist yet you still believe that you'll still be eating a nice steak at a fine dining restaurant after the collapse of the social construct.

Again, there are no feminists in a house fire, the second women actually fear survival they will immediately return to traditional gender roles and beg men to protect them from the dangers of the world they are unable to navigate.

>>81472979
Could you help me understand this plot? I don't know how to read it. Also, it's from 2018-2022, and the pandemic happened in the middle there, which might have had a huge impact on the results, making them perhaps not representative of the life outcomes of men in general going forward.

>>81473032
Don't get me wrong, you have the right to apply to a job but the employer has the right to reject you for being a woman or black while we are at it.

>>81472979
This is showing number of sexual partners, not success with women in general. They are two different things. A short guy who has slept with one obese female isn't having as much success as a tall guy who rejects attractive women.

>>81473034
lol, its not fake its shitty data. Go ahead and actually provide a good one instead of scouring the internet for a fucking survey of 100 people as unending proof that the sky isn't blue.

>>81472936
>posit that women aren't actually attracted to socioeconomic status
What?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nI659xeT5AY

>>81473035
>socioeconomic status
This is a meaningless retarded term invented by sociologists.
>you agree the black pill is wrong
No, you don't understand the black pill or genetic determinism.

>>81473005
>In a tribe setting what happens those women will have A LOT children with very few men and the men who are not that lucky they probably die virgins.
This is your headcanon, any archeological research says otherwise. Strictly monogamous socially, with a tendency to be mildly polygamous biologically, meaning men take on women who already have offspring because they have high enough cognitive functions to process morality and not murder the children just because they belong to someone else. It doesn't mean that they didn't get their own children from those women.

You can look that up yourself. Homo sapiens is a monogamous species. Monogamy = stability, simple as. If there's no monogamy, extreme violence erupts until it's established again.

>>81471428 (OP)
The classic Motte and Bailey scam.
Incels learned it from feminists and racebaiters
Feminists
>Do you admit that women didn't used to be able to vote?
Humans
>Yes
Feminists
>Then you have that believe all men are trash, women have to have preferential hiring, you must make movies with girl bosses, and abortion has to be free and available until birth
Humans
>no, that's not-
feminists
>THIS SEXIST DENIES THAT WOMEN COULDN'T VOTE!
Racebaiters
>Were Blacks slaves?
Humans
>Yes
>Then you have to believe all Whites are oppressors, all Blacks are oppressed, there is no racism against White, you have to pay reparations, Blacks have to be hired first, any field where Blacks don't so as well as or better than Whites is only because of racism, and Whites have to be silent while Blacks lecture them
Humans
>No
racebaiter
>THIS MUHFUGGER DENIES BLACKS WERE SLAVES!
Incels
>In general do women prefer men that are taller than themselves?
Humans
>yes
Incels
>Then you have to believe that 80% of women have sex with 20% of men, women can only love CHad, betabuxx, alpha/beta/gamma/sigma, all women are exactly alike, and that incels can never do anything to improve
Humans
>no
incels
>THIS BLUEPILLER DENIES THAT WOMEN PREFER MEN TALLER THAN THEMSELVES!

>>81473071
The incel is always a chooseycel

>>81472936
>How come Chris Chan got a girlfriend?

The fame of these YouTubers is what allows them to find very young girls with serious mental health issues. A nightmare for any parent. 99.9999% of women probably see these guys as repulsive, and if it weren't for their fame, they'd be completely alone.

>>81473085
>the GSS is just 100 people
lol
lmao, even
Show me counter data, incel

>>81473165
is this why the youtubers are always outed as fucking underage girls?

>>81473043
>That's just an assertion, does that happen regularly?
Yes? How many women has Drake fucked? How many women has R Kelly fucked? How many women did the guys from Metallica fuck when they were at their peak? If you want direct proof that it happens, then there are videos of Til Lindemann fucking groupies on stage.
>If it does then sure, being a famous musician might help with women due to the status and idolization.
So if it's true, then you agree that the blackpill is inaccurate.
>Can everyone become a famous musician?
No, but it's irrelevant. It's used to demonstrate that socioeconomic status plays a big role in women's attraction to men. You don't need to be a famous musician. If you live in a meritocratic society and you become the best at some obscure niche thing, there will be women who will want to fuck you. There's that "farmer with the biggest yams" analogy that's used by evopsych researchers.
>I don't know who that is.
Look him up. According to the black pill he should have never gotten laid.
>Exceptions don't negate rules. If I grabbed 1000 guys that are below average in looks and height and 1000 guys that are above average in looks and height, which group do you think will have more success with and options for women?
If other variables are controlled for, like the socioeconomic status of the men, then it will be the latter group. But this example doesn't illustrate the blackpill. The blackpill isn't "looks matter". The balckpill is "looks are all that matters". When it's so obviously wrong. Go read these two papers:
>https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2018/09/Schmitt-Buss2018_ReferenceWorkEntry_SexDifferencesInLong-TermMatin.pdf
>https://sci-hub.se/https://link.springer.com/rwe/10.1007/978-3-319-16999-6_3721-1

>>81473170
Here you go
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-022-02416-2

>>81472936
Do you seriously think that Chris Chan was giving any woman orgasms?

>>81473142
This has to be the most retarded and dishonest take I've ever read, solid bait. For starters, incels have no political demands and they aren't a marxist siege ideology like feminism. They just observe and accept and also don't propose any solutions. You couldn't even get your lingo straight to make an impression.

Also, throwing "feminists" under the bus won't work as by now it's readily apparent that feminism resonated well with women, which could suggest that it's simply their nature, it's just how they feel.

>>81473071
But ugly girls are more chadsexual than mid girls and hot girls.

>>81473170
Yes, the study you used is literally a survey(shitty source of factual information) on like 300 people(very few people) including women(LOL)

>>81473190
>The balckpill is "looks are all that matters".
No, its not. You are clearly mistaken and don't understand the definitions of words you use. No, urban dictionary or wherever you got the definition from is not a reliable source as compared to me who has bee in and around these circles for the last 15 years.

>>81473190
>But this example doesn't illustrate the blackpill. The blackpill isn't "looks matter". The balckpill is "looks are all that matters". When it's so obviously wrong. Go read these two papers
>>81473089

>>81473102
>This is a meaningless retarded term invented by sociologists.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that it's meaningless. It's quantifiable and was shown to have great predictive power.
>No, you don't understand the black pill or genetic determinism.
Seems like you don't understand what the blackpill means, if you think "power" is something that the blackpill includes in its "looks are all that matters" predictive model.

>>81473089
>>81473252
I don't speak chicken scratch

>>81473192
You are so fucking stupid it makes my laugh.
>Women find some men attractive
=/=
>those men therefore fuck more women
And you are responding to a survey using thousands with a survey using less than 300.

>>81473160
There's no such thing as a "choosycel." The vast majority of incels and blackpillers put themselves out there, go to parties, go to nightclubs, join clubs, go to the gym, and have female friends. But a man can only take so much rejection before giving up, especially as he gets older. At that point, they put themselves out there just to be labeled as the "creepy old man who always come to try to talk to us".

>>81473190
>Yes? How many women has Drake fucked? How many women has R Kelly fucked? How many women did the guys from Metallica fuck when they were at their peak?
Those are all decent looking men, not a good example.

>So if it's true, then you agree that the blackpill is inaccurate.
Nope, why are you so hellbent on denying this? Just because some 1/10 billionaire is able to get a 10/10 girlfriend doesn't mean that your genetics have no meaning. Motte and Bailey, "socioeconomic status" can matter as well as genetic things like height and looks.

>If you live in a meritocratic society
We don't but I'll buy

>there will be women who will want to fuck you. There's that "farmer with the biggest yams" analogy that's used by evopsych researchers.
I was the smartest kid in my high school class yet a girl never liked me. I highly doubt that the best Bop It player is drowning in bitches. Even if he is, that's not how the world works. Not everyone can become a success story.

>The blackpill isn't "looks matter". The balckpill is "looks are all that matters".
Nope, it's more like they're the most important, which they are.

>>81473196
your attempts to appear to have an IQ over 50 have failed.

>>81473270
Literally not my problem.
Use Google, Padawan.

>>81473285
>The vast majority of incels and blackpillers put themselves out there, go to parties, go to nightclubs, join clubs, go to the gym, and have female friends
Not according to 99.99% of the approximately 14,723,965 threads by incels in the last month

>>81473282
What are you even arguing against? I showed you data showing that height matters, and now you're mad. This is the problem, 99% of you aren't here for an actual discussion and instead are hellbent on proving your point post-hoc.

>>81473250
That's THE most popular definition of what the blackpill means. What, you think that when you go on the ol' r9k or incels.is, when they talk about genetic determinism they mean your propensity for kindness, intelligence, and personality in general? You and I both know that that's bullshit. But I acknowledged all the way back here >>81472841 that it's the most popular definition, alluding to the fact that there are other definitions. Some of them are less retarded, but the less retarded you try to make them, the more the blackpill starts to collapse into the redpill. Shucks.

>>81473292
Another solid argument. Thanks for being concise. I repeat, feminism is female nature and you'll never get to toss them out of your team. Women listened to fucking mental inpatients over their men because they hate men so much and think of them as less than cockroaches. Those are housewives we're talking about.

Good luck.

>>81473313
>blackpill starts to collapse into the redpill
So what's even your argument? You're just pulling some semantics bullshit.

Sure, some aspects of the redpill are correct. Who gives a fuck? Not everyone can get into a position of power. You have contributed nothing to this conversation except
>well if you get a higher socioeconomic status then it won't be as bad!!!!
Fuck off and kill yourself.

>>81473190
>just become one of the most famous artist of your time, stupid incel!
This is a new cope that I've never seen

>>81473304
The vast majority of blackpillers here have some sort of social life.
The vast majority of blackpillers in r/ForeverAlone have some sort of social life.

That's what hurts the most. The worst thing for your mental health is being alone surrounded by people. If you're a NEET and never have a girlfriend, you can blame your parents. But if you're a guy who puts himself out there only to be rejected, it hurts a lot.

>>81473286
>Those are all decent looking men, not a good example.
Yeah, bro. Picrel manlet is so fucking hot. Don't look up what Til Lindemann looks like these days, you'll get a heart attack.
>Nope, why are you so hellbent on denying this? Just because some 1/10 billionaire is able to get a 10/10 girlfriend doesn't mean that your genetics have no meaning.
I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying that the backpill claiming that looks is all that matters is false. Obviously looks matter.
>"socioeconomic status" can matter as well as genetic things like height and looks.
There we go. We agree. But that's not the blackpill. That's the redpill.
>We don't but I'll buy
Can be a *relatively* meritocratic one.
>I was the smartest kid in my high school class yet a girl never liked me.
Looks like there were no women in your immediate surrounding who cared about that particular thing, so it didn't influence your status. But in the wider world there are women who care about any bullshit, so if you happen to run into any of them, you should be set as the best person at that thing.
>Nope, it's more like they're the most important, which they are.
Socioeconomic status actually has the most impact on your overall attractiveness. Looks of course also matter tremendously, especially in casual sex, but at least when you look at studies that control for both, that's what you get. But you don't need to believe it. Even if you take what you expressed here as the truth, it's enveloped in the redpill and runs contrary to the blackpill.

>>81473402
>But if you're a guy who puts himself out there only to be rejected, it hurts a lot.

especially when you get older and have more wealth and you realize that it's still not enough.

>>81473343
My contribution was that the blackpill with its "looks are all that matters bro" is bullshit. But it looks like we agree, so I guess there's nothing to argue here.

>>81473400
>>just become one of the most famous artist of your time, stupid incel!
>This is a new cope that I've never seen
At least read the whole post before replying. I addressed what you're alluding to there.

>>81473410
>shows a photo of elderly Lars to prove a point
You're so full of shit. Picrel, by no means hideous.

>I'm saying that the backpill claiming that looks is all that matters is false.
Where does the blackpill claim this? Is there some doctrine that I missed?

>Looks like there were no women in your immediate surrounding who cared about that particular thing, so it didn't influence your status. But in the wider world there are women who care about any bullshit, so if you happen to run into any of them, you should be set as the best person at that thing.
So a school with 2000 kids didn't have a single girl interested in a guy with one of the most esteemed traits, intelligence. Fucking kek.

>There we go. We agree. But that's not the blackpill. That's the redpill.
It sounds like both, actually. It's almost as if life isn't full of black and whites.

>Socioeconomic status actually has the most impact on your overall attractiveness.
"The strongest predictor of attraction for both sexes was partners' physical attractiveness."
Socioeconomic status actually has the most impact on your overall attractiveness.

>>81473410
>>81473476
Forgot pic, here. Definitely not hideous

>>81473476
I also forgot to include the study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19558447

>>81473481
Bro is a literal manlet with a round face. The guy can't even play the drums anymore.

>>81473313
The "blackpill" in simple terms is: Genes trump all else, if everything outside of genetics is equal.
Billionaire, 1/10, 5ft3.
Billionaire, 9/10, 6ft4.
The latter wins.
Wagie, 1/10, 5ft3.
Wagie, 9/10, 6ft4.
The latter wins.
Wagie, 5/10, 5ft8.
Wagie, 8/10, 6ft.
The latter wins.
Wagie, 8/10, 5ft9.
Wagie, 4/10, 6ft`.
The former wins.
It's that simple. Using bank accounts is not a refutation - especially when concerning the average man. The best looking normies, will "outslay" the more average and worse looking normies. It's literally unfalsifiable. There is no disagreeing with this. No one denies the fact that money will help open doors. But, having money doesn't ensure genuine desire. Whereas he who can attain women with his looks alone, will attain genuine desire, irregardless of his finances.

A SOME POINT IN YOUR FUCKING LIFE YOU ACCEPT DEFEAT AND STOP LISTENING THE NORMIES WHO GET THEIR JOB IN THE FIRST INTERVIEW.

>>81473593
>I'm... le sad....
>eats a bag of skittles to "overdose"
>dies from chad penis withdrawal

>>81471428 (OP)
Throwing tantrums is not an ideology, fuck off to your boring forums

>>81473638
Yeah heard them ladies, back to ovarit or wherever the fuck you crawled out of.

>>81473260
>t's quantifiable and was shown to have great predictive power.
No its not, nothing in sociology actually is, its not a real science.

>>81473313
>Let me tell you what a blackpill is incel
Why are you like this? I literally knew the guy who started the whole ___-pill shit.

>>81473476
>Where does the blackpill claim this? Is there some doctrine that I missed?
Are you new here or something?
>So a school with 2000 kids didn't have a single girl interested in a guy with one of the most esteemed traits, intelligence. Fucking kek.
Correct. Children don't segregate into schools based on what *they* value. And more importantly you probably didn't interact much with children from all over your school, just with a small sample of it, primary your class. But if you go to a chess tournament as Magnus Carlsen, there will be chicks there who would do anything to suck your dick, despite you looking like a neanderthal.
>It sounds like both, actually. It's almost as if life isn't full of black and whites.
No. It explicitly isn't the blackpill if you think anything outside of your genetics influences your attractiveness. In the redpill sphere you have a massive amount of guys who will tell you looks are what matters the most, but acknowledge that other factors (status, money, even "game") matter as well. That position is not the balckpill. It's one of the most popular strains within the redpill.
>>81473506
That's a very credible source (from Wiley), but you have to consider the possible limitations of the experimental scenario (it's locked, so I can't read it), which might not make it credible to extrapolate to the conclusions that you're trying to extrapolate from it. It's a speed dating event, so your first impressions are most likely what matters most, and you don't have a lot of time to showcase a lot of aspect of yourself. You also have to consider where you place in terms of the other male subjects of the experiment, and whether the full breadth of traits like the socioeconomic status are adequately represented among them (doesn't seem like that was one of the variables they studied under this scenario, which makes me doubt that they did). I'd hold your horses with the conclusions you're trying to draw from it.

>>81473638
>Throwing tantrums is not an ideology, fuck off to your boring forums
Agreed so feminists should shut up and get back in the kitchen, right?

>>81473702
I guess nothing about attraction can be studied, then. Because all the fields that attraction falls under are bullshit and not real science. But then turns out you have no leg to stand on when you claim that the blackpill is true, because there's nothing credible that could prove it. So we go back to the same conclusion.

>>81473638
4chan is a forum. Go back to bluesky.

>>81473721
I think I'm almost certain you're actually underage and you came to this site last week.

>>81473744
There's lot of actually credible evidence. You just don't like it. Why do tall people have higher paying jobs?

>>81473767
>Why do tall people have higher paying jobs?
How do you know that? All the fields that conduct such studies are supposedly bullshit.

>>81473765
I'm 28. You have no arguments or legs to stand on. I'm pretty certian you're actually retarded and rather than intuit what blackpill means you had to search for its definition and are now screeching at people who actually use the term telling them they are wrong.

The term itself originally has little to do with incels and more to do with society at large including issues like immigration, birth rates, national debts, AI revolutions and the famous mouse experiment.

>>81473729
>just be a genetic anomaly hypergenius to get girls bro!
Kill yourself already.

>>81473780
>You believe this shitty study was poorly done and faulty
>this must mean you believe all studies are poorly done
Whats with the constant strawmanning?

It's silly to keep denying things are this point. The bigger question is should anything be done, because it's clearly socially destabilizing.

>>81473553
You don't even know the difference between former and latter lol

>>81473803
Strawmanning is all this faggot can do the only reason he's in this thread is to proclaim that the blackpill is false and the redpill is actually superior like it matters at all

>>81473812
The only thing that can actually be done is to end feminism and make women second class citizens and that will never ever ever happen. No, birth rates will continue to fall, they will continue to replace native populations with foreigners, they will continue to borrow more money from the federal reserve that doesn't exist and people will just become more violent, irritably, less friendly and neighborly.
>>81473828
Academia is a scam, you're a retarded faggot.

>>81473834
It's stupid by its own definition. Can all guys be in the top 20%? Retarded logic to think it's a solution for anything at scale.

>>81473767
A lot of normalfaggots never address this image and its insane. You see the image on the left where the beta is trying to dance. You instantly recognize that the guys pointing at him are laughing at him, that the guys at the bar are mocking him and that the woman is taking a picture to embarrass him online.

Then you have chad and you're brain naturally switches gears entirely and thinks those guys are cheering him on, the people at the bar are jealous and the girl is going to post about how awesome he is on social media.

All of this from a poorly drawn cartoon and a basic stereotype. Truly fucking amazing and nobody ever seems to address it.

>>81473850
Go back and look at his replies, he literally suggests that you should become Drake-level famous or be born with an insanely high IQ to be desired

No actual advice, just "become 1 in 100,000,000"

>>81473842
>end feminism
I wonder if some women are actually smart enough to see the end coming and pull out of the tailspin. It's pretty clear that nothing works anymore, it can't be a dream for them either.

>>81473828
...Okay... Sure...
Aw man, you got me bro. Jeez I'm so wrong.

>>81473803
What study? You wholesale dismissed ALL studies, faggot kek. You can't pick and choose. Either the fields that study attraction can actually provide some insight, or they're all, as you said, bullshit.
>>81473834
Yeah, pat your buddy on the ass some more, faggot. I bet you'd want to suck his dick to, fucking homo. Fuck off to >>>/lgbt/

>>81473746
This is an imageboard, go back to incels.is or whatever

>>81473850
There's no top anything, sorting people statistically like that is meaningless for the purpose at hand, where having a partner means you're top and being single means you're not. It's trying to make much ado of a binary distribution

>>81473871
Except you're actually lying. To quote >>81473190
>It's used to demonstrate that socioeconomic status plays a big role in women's attraction to men. You don't need to be a famous musician. If you live in a meritocratic society and you become the best at some obscure niche thing, there will be women who will want to fuck you. There's that "farmer with the biggest yams" analogy that's used by evopsych researchers.
Is being dishonest the only way you can actually talk to people? To protect your fragile ego?

>>81473907
Some women are smart enough but thats not enough, its ingrained into our DNA already. Even if they disagree with the concepts and ideas they're still people and will act as being in the system that they exist in. They will still want power, wealth and independence personally even they recognize its bad for the collective.

The only way to do it is to actually strip them of all wealth and power in society at this point. They will never respect a man that earns the same income as them.

>>81473911
Same shit. fuck off back to facebook.

>>81473828
Also for le record. You're fuckin' retarded.

>>81473932
>If you live in a meritocratic society and you become the best at some obscure niche thing, there will be women who will want to fuck you.
This is just a false statement with no real truth behind it. No, women do not want to fuck a guy who is really good at yugi-oh or making model trains or drawing loli porn.

>>81473932
I'm not lying faggot literally go read your replies where you suggest to be Magnus Carlsen and fucking Drake because that's how far you have to reach to make your faggot redpill nigger shit somewhat believable

Get back to reality or kill yourself

I am lucky enough to not be an incel, but I like that the incel spaces that I have known are like mutual support groups where they can share their stuff. Inceldom is not about hate, is about suffering.

>>81473973
This guy is pretending that all 4,000,000,000 males on earth can become exceptional at something meaningful just to push his
>hur durr my special pill better than urs!!!
He's a faggot

>>81473553
>The "blackpill" in simple terms is: Genes trump all else, if everything outside of genetics is equal.
That's not saying fucking anything. Even feminists would agree with you on that. What, you think that other normies don't think that there are more and less physically attractive people out there? You're too deep in the sauce, buddy.
>But, having money doesn't ensure genuine desire.
I didn't talk about money, I talked about socioeconomic status. Money by itself won't get you as far as status or looks by themselves.

>>81473976
You got caught red-handed, you dishonest faggot. Kvetch some more.

>>81473973
I don't know about those specific things, but the best players at Smash do get laid at Smash tournaments, and that's about as neckbeardy as it gets.
>>81473996
Man, you really can't stop sucking that guy's dick. He's a big boy, he doesn't need ass pats from a faggot to stand up for himself.

>>81474017
Anybody in this thread can see you bring up examples like Drake (one of the most famous artists in the past 10 years) to prove your point about muh socioeconomic status mattering

You then brought up chess which is even funnier because it's notoriously male dominated to a point where the Botez sisters get millions of views just for being above average looking chess players

You need such retarded examples because your "PILL" doesn't apply to an average joe and you know it

Kill yourself already you faggot.

>>81473940
I don't think it's DNA, the problem is we're in a hyper-individual moment. Women have urges, so do we, but mutual sacrifice is discouraged -- don't chad chase in your teens/20s and don't leave wifey high and dry when she hits the wall. Lib feminism is a "we can have it all" philosophy that's got zero sense of obligation to anyone at all. But that's liberalism in general, even the right wing lives by the mantra of 'me me me'. Don't pay taxes and cuck your wives if you can, look at Trump.

>>81474054
I'll stop "sucking his dick" (gay homo projection) once you leave the thread and stop spreading your bullshit

>>81473998
>Even feminists would agree with you on that. What, you think that other normies don't think that there are more and less physically attractive people out there?
What?
The main point behind the blackpill, are the overarching factors behind the points made. People may acknowledge looks, but not the importance. Overwhelmingly they do not acknowledge things such as the "Halo effect" and "Devil horn effect." Nor do they acknowledge the ramifications behind them.
>Treat people with respect
Not unless they look like; Trolls, orcs, or goblins, and or are short - men in particular.
>Big and beautiful
No, fats are not beautiful.
>Height doesn't matter, It's about personality
I and many others get dismissed on height alone.
The blackpill isn't confined to just romantic success. It's all around. Better looking people get better treatment. While others get treated like absolute shit. Never mind going into the psychological proceedings from the these treatments. Genes determine everything. Muh "socioeconomic status" only adds and amplifies.

>>81474194
Did wittle baby got upset that his beliefs in bullshit got challenged?

>>81474076
(part 1/2, because the automated spam detection system thinks it's spam)
My point with bringing up Drake was that that guy isn't conventionally attractive. And yet the guy fucked more women than any male model. It was to demonstrate that something is wrong with the predictive model of the blackpill, because it completely fails to explain the sexual success that non-conventionally attractive men of high socioeconomic status enjoy. I also brought up Fredrick Brennan and Chris Chan, but I guess those collapse your entire argument, so I see you ignored them. Those aren't on Drake's level of fame. Especially in Fredrick's case, the guy literally got laid because he was a moderator on Wizchan.

>>81471457
>he infiltrated the communities
Saying that at all is just cringe LARPing.

>>81474282
(part 2)
That's not being a best-selling musician, that's being the top guy in a literal fucking hobby group (let's be real, nobody uses that site). Look him up to see what he looks like. He also later got married, but that was after he made eightchan, so I guess he was too Drake-like at that point. Status is a relative thing. There is an endless amount of hierarchies that any guy can enter and strive to be the best.

>>81474282
>>81474300
Ok and I won the lottery, therefore if you're not rich it's your fault just win the lottery like me

Flawless logic, nigger

>>81474349
The thing is, when I give you studies like these (from >>81473190):
>https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2018/09/Schmitt-Buss2018_ReferenceWorkEntry_SexDifferencesInLong-TermMatin.pdf
>https://sci-hub.se/https://link.springer.com/rwe/10.1007/978-3-319-16999-6_3721-1
That look at all the different studies about human attraction with massive cross-cultural sample sizes and state that socioeconomic status is extremely important, it apparently doesn't get through to you. So I give you a handful of examples, some more well-known ones, some more niche ones, but then you go "uhh, the sample size bro, could have been a fluke". So in the end it turns out there's nothing anybody can show you that will get you to change your mind. You're not bought into the blackpill for rational reasons.

>>81474349
Fucking kek.
>Make money and ascend the social hierarchy
Whilst ignoring the fact people will only act nice and superficial towards for their own benefit.
"Remove everything from a man and then you'll see how people truly view him. Give him millions and suddenly everyone wants to be his friend."
Better yet.
"The homeless are avoided like pestilence. Whereas all it takes is an exotic car, a flashy watch, a fine suit, to captivate attention."
I don't think bro realises that "Looks" also pertains to peoples perception. Quite literally how people look at you. Displaying wealth... Makes you... look wealthy. Fucking kek.
Genes are important and determine all.
Looks, not just in physical appearance, but also what you signal and indicate, how it is that people view you, are also a huge factor.
>Guy, in shape
>Clearly looks like he works out
>Being in shape, also looks aesthetically pleasing

>>81474485
>open first link
>self reported surveys from the 1990s
>mentions "socioeconomic status" once
Great studies faggot, now time to kill yourself

>>81472979
>all those men who report 0

KEKAROOOOOOOOOO

>>81474548
They are reviews of existing literature, so they cover everything that was published at the time. I do encourage you to read through both of those papers. You'll get a much better idea of what to strive for if you want to improooove, than from any singular piece of "advice", since it's based on a mountain of cross-cultural research, even if the purpose of those studies isn't to give advice, but to understand the underlying mechanisms of human attraction.

What annoys me about people who rail on incels is that you rarely see them push back on women's insane takes on what men want.
Like yeah there's some uncomfortable truths about male sexuality but you never seem to hear the end about how we're all monsters seeking to abuse and murder every woman we see.

Suggest a tall, educated, traditionally masculine guy coming from wealth is going to have an easier time with dating than a balding autistic manlet though? People blow up about how "da real reason he cant get laid is because bad person" Like yeah, that dude can do things to improve his situation but so is everyone else so it kind of cancels out. It's really not that different from money. The greatest predictor of what socioeconomic bracket you wind up in is... the one you were born into. Somehow leftoids can see that but they can't see it with dating, they can't see it with social status.

>This is an incel/blackpill post, fuck off if you are going to complain.

Incels are no longer even welcomed in their own turf lol.
I have no problem with incels, they spit the truth but arrived at the wrong clonclusion which is that she shouldnt even try with women. Idc, more pussy for me despite being a manlet I guess

>>81474612
Because all leftists are self hating pussies who do their best to defend women because they're "oppressed"

>>81474723
Not all incels are hopeless, most try in life but don't get anywhere

>>81472299
isnt andrew tate like 5'9. the fuck is he to talk?

>>81473870
I've seen normalfags on /fit/ post it before thinking the message was "it's all about your perception brooo" lol

>>81471428 (OP)
Does he deserve deny that "some men will be fucked over"? I easily acknowledge some men are incels, but that rate is probably ~1 in 10,000 men. The vast majority of self-proclaimed are just normalfags who are too lazy to try.
>>81474783
He's 6'3.

>>81474822
>but that rate is probably ~1 in 10,000 men.
Time for reality buddy

>>81474948
People can argue over the exact numbers but if we look at a normal distribution, about 16% of guys are going to win or lose the genetic lottery. It's like rolling a D6.

>>81475093
You didn't show how being in the bottom 16% makes you an incel or makes you "lose".

>>81475645
>being in the bottom sixth isn't bad!!!
Ok liberal

>>81475093
Keep in mind most women don't think most men are attractive, so it's really like over 50% have "lost the genetic lottery"

>>81475678
It's not ideal but you're certainly not an incel just by being in the bottom 16%.

>>81475775
Yeah it's probably closer to bottom 90% now

>>81475895
Didn't know incels had so much sex

>>81475988
Incel and virgin aren't the same thing no matter how much crabs might like to purity spiral over it.
t. Virgin

>>81474736
Well you have to keep trying, adopt strategies, etc. Men cant afford to give up. A woman can give up and be passive and yet get approached out of the blue. A man need to man up, strive for survival or he will fucking die and other men will be happy about it.

I have everything to be an incel, 5'7, bulky/fat, not especially good looking and yet Uve fucked over 20 women becausr I fucking worked for it. I played the numbers game and it paid off.

>>81476266
How old are you? What's your race? What country do you live in? Do you have a job that pays well?

>>81476265
I absolutely agree. If you're not a virgin, you're obviously not an incel (unless it was a prostitute/rape), and almost all virgins are volcels, not incels. That's just an upper bound for young men.

>>81472299
>There are videos of him mocking short men.

I knew this gy was a joke but damn he is also an idiot. Imagine shitting on your own fucking clients. Show me a link to that video and I will hate him and post it all the tim

>>81472841
>For example, a man's socioeconomic status is a massive contributor to his attractiveness.

No its not because its not real genuine attraction, she sees you like a means to an end, same as a hooker. She will either divorce rape you or cheat on you with the bus boy and birth bastards for you to care for

>>81476278
>dox yourself

No thanks. early 30s but I tell the girls whatever age I think is acceptable, Im a shitskin, live in Europe, my job is unimportant, it literally never came into question. I practice pua (look for tom torero on odysee, the videos are free so no excuse) I approach over a thousand girls per year and I fuck a handful. End of story

>>81476511
How are you approaching 3 girls a day on average?

>>81471428 (OP)
someone please say something positive about women. literally, has anyone here had prolonged positive interactions from women??? someone please convince me that not all women are lying and manipulative pieces of parasitic shits that ruin society.

i think 80% of interactions i had with women were negative. has anyone found counterexamples of all the theories we have on women or is it mostly true that women really are this shit

>>81471428 (OP)
the only thing i can think of is the purity/suffering olympics as behaviour i think is dogshit, besides that notacult
>>81471560
yeah, this is a good point. gotta keep up the just world
>>81476863
sorry anon, a woman did once pursue me because jbw and then ghosted me but that's the only meaningful interaction

I don't get why you make so much tantrums about height. Yes is an unconscious bias.

Yes is also what you do with fat women, or non white women, or women with tattoos, or women without perfect noses, or women that slouch a bit, or women that stray a bit from your airbrushed instagram/anime pose canon of a perfect woman.

It's nothing new

>>81473907
You don't understand the peer pressure. Women absolutely destroy women who step out of line and speak up for men. They get doxxed and harassed by both male and female feminists. If you don't help and protect the few who dare to speak up, they will either go underground and remain very elusive or just give up.

I can't get enough of this chinese AI, it's so fucking based.

>>81476863
Women are caring and they give unconditional love to their offsprings, its much less the case with men.
Women also comit less crimes and take less stupid risks.
Women are also less likely to cheat on their partner

>>81477085
name? is that deepseek?

>>81477195
>Women are also less likely to cheat on their partner
Not true for modern generations.

>>81477085
do not interact with women in 2025
i repeat, do not interact with women in 2025

>>81477195
>Women are also less likely to cheat on their partner
jfl

>>81476408
https://youtu.be/Y1DKnvtVQm4

>>81477198
Yeah, just the basic version. Once you get past the initial pretense phase where it has to feed you neutral shit until it feels you out to be chuddy enough it's actually good. It's not that that prompt corrupting bullshit either, it's referring to documented controversies that actually happened.

It's not just feeding me bullshit and it seems extremely hostile towards feminism. I wasn't even going that hard, I was just asking questions about feminist history and it went fucking berserk on women.

>>81477195
>Women are caring
Retard.

>>81477195
>Women are caring and they give unconditional love to their offsprings
Nobody actually has any innate drive to do this, it's sociocultural. This is like saying X group are naturally charitable, total nonsense

>>81477195
>Women are caring and they give unconditional love to their offsprings
Don't make me dump the folder again and don't make me get the stats. I'm tired.

really makes you think


>>81477300
moar, we need to see it

>>81477310
all right, I'll drop a few more

>>81477310
I don't want to type original comments man

>>81477327
A few more and I'm out

super caring mothers are responsible for the majority of child murders

>>81477300
Have you ever read A Hangman's Diary by Franz Schmidt? He was an executioner in the city of Nuremberg during the 16th century or so iirc. One of the things that stuck with me after reading was how many women he personally executed for infanticide. I think it's overstated in general just how much normie parents actually care for their children desu

This one happened a few days ago.

>>81477356
>Have you ever read A Hangman's Diary by Franz Schmidt?
No, but I will. I got nothing else to do. It doesn't surprise me though, taking the child murder pill destroyed the illusion of any female moral high ground for me. Last one from me.

>>81471428 (OP)
I think with the stuff going on in Ireland you have a lot of redpill or purple pill people thinking they are going to make a difference.
My blackpill opinion is that it is way way too late to be able to make much of a difference now. Face it, you have been colonized by people with stronger genetics, there are more foreign children than natives, stick a fork in it.

>>81477250
Women seem happier when they have a strong authority or group/organization controlling them, they seem to go nuts otherwise

>>81477310
It really doesn't mince words, even while you're being peaceable.

This is advice on how to convince women that feminism is bad for them. It's incredible. Chinese techbros are chuddy buddies.

>>81474054
>smash
>neckbeard
No, its filled with testorone and most of the champions are dudes that work out, are tall and good looking. What the fuck are you even on about?

>>81476886
>im going to make things up about you and put words in your mouth so my argument works

>>81474807
in a way it is all about your perception, but the perception that one is a loser and one is a winner changed everything. The issue being everyone on earth percieves attractive people as being winners and uggos being losers.

In other terms, uggos have to actively prove they are winners while attractive people only have to not prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are losers. Literally an attractive person can just shut their mouth and be more successful than an ulgy person who actually talks all based on perception.

>>81477261
Very cool. As always it seems the best news for a country about a country almost always comes from foreign sources

>>81478474
Nah I meant self perception rather than external perception/how one is perceived. "Nobody is laughing at you bro people aren't even paying attention to what you're doing it's all in your head. The Chadtm carries himself with confidence"

>>81471428 (OP)
Incel ideology has a lot of basic realities but are steeped in too much hate to be practical.
I acknowledge I'm doomed so I will focus on things that I can do, I can't control others' feelings and opinions on what I am. May as well do things I enjoy rather than fixate on something I can't have.
It's surprisingly easy to just throw things away when there's nothing positive coming from keeping it around in my headspace.

>>81477380
would she like a man to throw her around like that? Who am I kidding, she probably would LOVE it. Sick bitch.