Thread 81474266

Intelligence and Empathy have a VERY high correlation. If you don't have much empathy, you probably aren't very intelligent either.

>>81474266 (OP) I can agree with that, me nigga. That's why I expect you to reply to each and every reply you get on this thread.

>>81474276
catch 22 moment

>>81474266 (OP)
source?
and correlation does not equal causation. every person with a brain knows this

>>81474295
>Joseph Heller's novel Catch-22, set during World War II
Based AI.

>>81474297
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289618301466

>>81474337
you had to look up catch 22..?

>>81474355
How was this research done? Give me a summary, I'm too lazy to read it.

>>81474367
Hell yeah. I'm no american. I had no clue. I knew shit about it.

>>81474266 (OP)
>Notice how nobody on 4chan has empathy for anyone else

>>81474355
cool, so you found a correlation study. not causation
you also skimmed past the part where they say its a mediated relationship. intelligence -> empathy -> prosociality
so youre not proving "low empathy = probably low intelligence" you just misread the study

>>81474381
I'm too lazy to summarize it for you

>>81474397
I have noticed that, yes.

>>81474402
I can't prove anything to someone with both low intelligence and low empathy because they have no interest in growing so I don't really mind either way

>>81474397
Is that a fact? Because I royaly don't give a fuck. I care about me niggas. The ones who interacts with me the right way wins their day.

>>81474433
just admit you don't understand mediated variable models, low iq faggot. saves time
cya

>>81474402

>OP says iq and empathy have a high correlation
>Prove causation!!
>I'm not here to do that
>You're wasting my time!! Admit to not knowing things you never claimed to know!!

You're wasting your own time retard hahaha.

>>81474445
calling someone a faggot isn't very empathetic

>>81474517
this guy gets it
thanks guy

>>81474397
Empathy and sympathy aren't the same thing

>>81474517
do you not know what causation is? op claimed theyre tightly linked, like one implies the other. so yeah, if you can't prove causation, then his claim's weak
correlations not enough. thats literally stats 101 you retarded fuck

>>81474266 (OP)
I have high empathy but am still a retard. Don't get my hopes up.

not sure about that claim, but people on 4chan surely lack both of them

>>81474550
I want to refute that because everyone I've EVER KNOWN to say "im a retard" is in fact highly intelligent but merely lacks self confidence, usually due to abuse, as well as miscategorizing things like being scatterbrained as being stupid

>>81474404
Have some empathy for me, c'mon

>>81474527

Ye np. I agree with OPs claim btw. I wouldn't bother studying it unless I wanted to make a formal argument or to understand something tangental. It's obvious to me from studying neurology already. There is a reason the smartest animals on the planet, mammals, all have very developed parts of the brain we associate with social activity and processing emotions, speaking and language like the prefrontal cortex, temporal lobe, amygdala, etc. There is also a reason prisons are full of low iq people and not scientists and doctors lol. Not that I'm confusing the ability to study and work hard with iq but. Yeah this all seems extremely obvious.

>>81474547

Tightky linked = / = correlation. OP said they're correlated.

>le r9k geniooses don't even understand basic logic and are actually agreeing with op's brain dead assertion
oh my gooooooood AUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GODDAMN ANTS

>>81474608
"very high correlation" + "if you lack x, you probably lack y" = implication AND THYAT'S CASUAL LANGUAGE YOU NIGGER

>>81474628
CAUSAL LANGUAGE*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>81474596
>Tumblr_7951e7---.jpg
I'm sorry to tell you but I'm going to have to ask you to pack up and go back

>>81474628

>causation is when there's something other than a 1 to 1 relationship between affector and effected.

Nobody uses causal like this. But apparently in your world "everyone with a brain" does lol. If it were a causal and not just correlative relationship low intelligence would always cause low empathy. But OP never said that. Just that where there tends to be low empathy there tends to be low intelligence.

>>81474731
DIE

>>81474742
youre literally describing deterministic causation like its the only kind. ever heard of probabilistic causation? no? of course you GODDAMNB HAVEN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE A PSEUD LIKE OP
"if x then probably y" is causal. thats how it's used in science, stats, and logic
READ A BOOK

>>81474266 (OP)
i think i am empathetic but i am also too stupid to judge whether what i feel is empathy or not

>>81474758

I don't need to read any books to tell you probability is literally the absence of a cause lol. It's to fill in a literal lack of measurable phenomenon in the material world lol. In your world because I put on a tie every day and every day someone dies of cancer there's a causal relationship between how I dress and cancer deaths XD. There's just a correlation. Alright here. I'm going to blow your mind, ready? Since you've turned causation into correlation for the sake of an internet argument. Fill in the gap, what does correlation mean then?

>>81474802
can you describe a situation where you think you felt "empathy"? i'll tell you

>>81474266 (OP)
I'm a diagnosed autist with a relatively high IQ (according to an administered test) and I flip-flop between extremely high empathy and cold detachment at the drop of a hat. Everyone and everything makes me feel sad and makes my heart bleed until it becomes too much and I just check out and stop caring while my energy "refills".

I also have very few friends and struggle to maintain relationships because I burn myself out worrying about other people and end up self-isolating.

>>81474809
lmfao you ACTUALLY just said probability = absence of cause. that's how i know you've never touched epistemology or stats in your life you absolute pseud CLOWN. probability doesnt replace causation, it models uncertainty around it. ever heard of bayes nets? no? NOBODY WITH A BRAIN IS SHOCKED: PART 2
and yeah, correlation means statistical association. thats it. no direction, no mechanism, no cause, just PATTERNS
SO IF YOU CLAIM ONE THING "LIKELY MEANS" ANOTHER, YOURE IMPLYING A DIRECTIONAL MECHANISM AKA A CAUSE

The smartest person I knew was capable of fostering a superior culture of cooperation. It was eye opening to see how much more valuable what she did is than some opinionated clown crying about things he barely understands.

Bumping this gemmy thread. OP and his boyfriend being iqmogged by an avatarfag tranny

>>81474825
well for example a friend might be telling me about how depressed they are
ill feel sad and i think hurts because im also depressed and know how it feels, but i could alternatively only be sad because im afraid theyll off themselves and leave me lonely, which is probably selfish.

>>81474918
cool story pseud nigger. anecdote != argument, so i accept your concession
and maybe tell her to explain causation to you next time LMAO
BYE

>>81474864

I clarified the next sentence and said measurable phenomenon, not just cause. If the cause was measurable it wouldn't be a probability anymore.

>no direction, no mechanism, no cause, just PATTERNS

How does a pattern have no direction, mechanism or cause lol. All three of those require patterns, recognizable repeating phenomenon, for us to identify them. There's no such thing as distance or cause and effect without someone to label it as such lol.

to you correlation and causation are literally the same thing btw. Idk if you realize this.

Casual reminder for retards who make these kinds of threads that empathy goes both ways, empathy doesn't mean, "being nice." It also means being enraged when something bad happens to someone by another's hand. But there's no point arguing with the low-IQ retards in this thread because they lack the empathy to understand that.
Stay retarded, lukewarm midwits.

>>81475095
>if the cause was measurable it wouldn't be a probability anymore
i'm glad that other anon wasn't you and you didn't give up so easily because i'm having so much fun reading your retardation. cause like LMFAO what the fuck is that? so by your logic quantum mechanics isn't real science? stochastic modeling doesn't exist?
ever heard of causal inference under uncertainty? no? PART 3 OF NOBODY WITH A BRAIN IS SURPRISED
and patterns don't require cause, they just require REPEATABILITY, and that's what correlation is, repeated co-occurrence. SO YEAH NO DIRECTION AND NO MECHANISM. you're confusing how we detect things with what they are likeeeeeee

>>81474266 (OP)
>If you don't have much empathy, you probably aren't very intelligent either
i can do without either. as long as im not so retarted i make bad financial decisions im good

>>81475163
Get him, based high iq tranny. Get the Redditor!

>>81475128
chatgpt, fetch me the definition of "Empathy"

>>81475095
>If the cause was measurable it wouldn't be a probability anymore.
This is false, not just in the fundamental physical sense, but also in the practical sense of modelling causal relationships even in chaotic situations that are purely deterministic measurable case with hidden variables.

>>81475163
>ERM BY UR LOGIC
>*random retarded jumps and leaps in logic*
>*emotionally charged babbling*
>HEH. JUSTIFIED, CHUD

>>81475199
Cool, now go re-read what I said and look up dark empathy too. Retard.

>>81475214
ha ha ha are you that anon? you got cooked and now you're doing irony cope
you don't even have a puddle understanding of the concepts being broached here
my sides hurt so much

>>81475128
>It also means being enraged when something bad happens to someone by another's hand.
I felt like this when I found out a girl I knew got roofied and her things stolen while at a party. That was the only time though since not much happens in my life to test if I'm empathetic or not.

>>81475239
Same anon, this is also funny to me because you retards are exhibiting dark empathy toward the person just stating their case and REFUSING to even hear their point because you lack fundamental empathy and IQ.
Great example.

>>81475211
but also in the practical sense of modelling causal relationships in chaotic situations that are purely deterministic with hidden variables*

jesus christ I just had a stroke typing that last part, sorry. The point I'm trying to make is that in any practical case, even ignoring fundamental physics, you're still working with partial information about your initial state in a chaotic system so your results will always be probabilistic since you can't control this state.

>>81475249
>You got totally COOKED hehehe omg like ur so stupid hahahahaha
>A demonstration of a deep understanding of empathy
It's okay to be stupid and low empathy, OP. You don't have to rope and sneed this hard.

"empathic people are smart"
"FUCK YOU I'M SMART KILL YOURSELF I HATE YOU"

what a funny thread

>>81475253
Which would be an example of a person with high empathy. Do you notice how while you've just been dropping hot facts these people have just been sitting here and insulting you and doing mental gymnastics? In your best effort possible, TRY to explain how OP could possibly be a "high empathy, high intellect" individual. That would be empathy but retarded low EQ/IQ OP could never understand that.

>>81475163

>so by your logic quantum mechanics isn't real science?

Of course it is, potential energy and probability are just two different things lol. You can measure what causes the first. You can't measure what determines probabilities. There might be some model out there that even uses these words differently but these are fundamentally different ideas I'm referring to.

>>81475211

>but also in the practical sense of modelling causal relationships even in chaotic situations that are purely deterministic measurable case with hidden variables

I'm not arguing that without the proper tools or in the future you can't measure anything. Obviously by that definition of Measurable everything could be Measurable in a deterministic world. When probably is invoked the cause isn't being measured is what I mean. What you would have then is certainty.

And also if you were deterministic then it's always the ever changing present, time is just distance. There's no such thing as potential outside of our perception.

>>81475268
>cope cope cope cope cope
you aren't built for any meaningful intellectual pursuits, so please stay away from all the abstract fields. thanks xx

>>81475289
Kek truth, op is a coping midwit low EQ pseud. And of course unable to self reflect.

>>81475268
>It's okay to be stupid and low empathy, O
Hey, I'm the OP. I haven't replied since about 10 posts in. You switched who you were even arguing with and didn't realize it. Please don't call other people stupid.

>>81475300
>I don't have an actual argument so I'm just going to attack your intellect
Nice bait thread OP, I'm proud of you :)
Now THAT'S empathy!

>>81475310
btw the post you just quoted was also me, OP.

>>81475324
that person is still not me, please pay more attention and please stop calling people stupid thank you

>>81475314
Only a stupid person trying to make themselves feel smart while not actually knowing anything and unable to defend their braindead arguments would make this thread. Them's just the facts.
If you had wanted an actual discussion (you don't) you wouldn't have included an accusatory tone for your dumbass bait thread.
Do better.

>>81475329
>>81475338
Sorry, it's just an incredibly stupid thread, therefore the appropriate place to call you and everyone batting for your side a fucking retard. Maybe you should employ some of that "high EQ/IQ" and T H I N K before you make such a braindead pseudo intellectual thread.

>>81475356
I'm sorry I upset you but could you please be civil?

>>81475324
oh, you're a different anon, and you're seething so hard that you aren't tracking argumentation properly and think i'm op
lmaoooooooo

>>81475298
you just said "you can measure what causes the first" but not the second, as if probabilistic events can't have causes. again you literally don't understand what probabilistic causation is, and you're treating probability like its magic instead of a model for incomplete knowledge

>"these are different ideas i'm referring to"
and no, this doesnt save you. youre using technical terms wrong and pretending its fine because you personally mean something else. absolute pseud behaviour. try reading ONE paper in your life

>>81475366
If you had the High EQ you claim you would recognize I'm not upset, just baffled by the sheer impenetrable wall of narcissistic ignorance you've built to protect yourself.
>>81475367
>Durrr I'm not a dumbass ur just seething lellll get owned idiot xd
It's okay, little dimmywits. You don't have to defend your low functioning autism. I still love you :)

>>81475294
>In your best effort possible, TRY to explain how OP could possibly be a "high empathy, high intellect" individual.
Only way would be if the opening statement was a genuine joke from OP because
>If you don't have much empathy, you probably aren't very intelligent either.
Already reeks of baiting. You can be empathetic but not know how to handle situations (me) or you can be an absolute psycho who knows their way around life but not empathetic.

>>81475387
project harder you bitter depressed anger issues sperg
this is why your parents don't love you or loved you "too much" LMAO
kys and last reply

>>81475410
Heyyy now you're getting it! You can see below that the dumbass retard coping as "baiting" has already fled the scene because my huge swinging EQ scared them away.

lol you guys are no better than high schoolers

>>81475430
Shhh it's okay... You're safe here. You're among friends. You can let the cope go, anon.

>>81475449
it's actually funny see you guys talk, please keep being the way you are

>>81475387
I have a high enough EQ to realize you are distressed, behaving erratically, and employing DARVO tactics. I promise you I am not the narcissist in this interaction.

>>81475417
I choose not to engage with these types of people in debate for a reason. It's fruitless and painful. Bad faith arguments are tiring and upsetting.

>>81475367

I don't know why people keep trying to make the point that I think that "having no cause" means I think that when someone says this plane has an 80% chance of not taking off due to an engine failure that I don't think the engine is real. It just means there is missing information or it'd be 100% or 0% chance. I don't think the plane is flying on magic. You don't think I think that either, if you tell me I think that you're lying. Obviously when I say probabilities have no cause (and this is the FOURTH time I am clarifying this HEY HELLO LOOK HERE->
>>81474809
>It's to fill in a literal lack of measurable phenomenon
>>81475095
>said measurable phenomenon, not just cause.
>>81475298
>when probably is invoked the cause isn't being measured is what I mean.)

I mean you aren't measuring whatever the cause is in the probabilistic equation.

>>81475430
I'm enjoying reading this thread, it's an absolute gemmy. Like look at this guy, he's so mad that he thought you were the tranny >>81475449

>>81475495
>I'm enjoying reading this thread, it's an absolute gemmy.
man it baffles me, this reminds me of 40 yo boomers arguing about politics on facebook. story repeats itself

>>81475532
>reminds me of 40 yo boomers arguing about politics on facebook
Low empathy high ego, yeah. That seems to be the recipe for "people who argue incessantly online"

>>81475485
Your entire thread up until I started commenting has been DARVO, how can you not see that? You only say that now because it suits you.
>>81475532
>>81475495
Hey settle down, this thread is for High IQ/EQ people only, and judging my by readouts on my totally real never incorrect measurements of what I personally "feel" is High IQ/EQ, it is obvious to me that you lack it!
Heh, now beat that argument, kiddo. Pro-tip: you can't because I'm delusional.
>>81475475
:) I love you anon

>>81475542
>people who argue incessantly online
>arguing incessantly online
oh my

>>81475566
I calls em as I sees em, chief

>>81475577
Whatchoo responnin to mang, use yo damn quotashunz

>>81475574
>>81475592
you really should take your meds now

>>81475566
>Pro-tip: you can't because I'm delusional.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>:) I love you anon
thank you i love myself too

>>81475487
youre backpedaling so hard its painful. like yeah, obviously probability reflects missing info. you said "probability is the absence of cause" not "absence of measurement", not "incomplete data"
ABSENCE OF CAUSE. full stop

now youre rewriting your own claim four times deep and acting smug like we didnt all see it.
your words betrayed your understanding. no one misread you. you just dont know how to speak precisely because you dont actually get this shit and are a pseud

anyway, i'm going to work now. sorry for being a bulli, its how i vent excitement because i'm insane. if we were arguing irl, i'd passionately kiss you on the lips. BYEEEEEEE RETARD

>>81475607
Copious seethious dilatio
>>81475619
Heh. Nice try kiddo, I just put your argument to beddy-bye. My delusions are stronger than your own personal concept of what empathy and intelligence are. #rekt #pwned
make it a great day today :) <3

>claims they have a job and a life
>will still comment again

>>81474266 (OP)
That's a cute theory OP but most cult leaders and MLM CEOs are extremely smart, and the majority of them are psycopaths with zero empathy or sociopaths with little empath.
Just look at Raniere, he got one of the highest IQ in the world but he's serving 120 years in jail for doing sex crimes to women.

>>81475485
I use DARVO on my coworkers and it works. I didn't even know about it until now.
Man I'm so fucking smart.

>>81475688
Prove to me you know for sure they have no empathy

>>81475672
I don't see why the tranny would lie about that, they're clearly enjoying the argument. Admit it, you just don't want the thread to die, anon. I mean, I don't want it to either

>>81475688
empaths can choose to be bad people, dark empaths exist

>>81475710
I HECKIN' LOVE BTFOING LOW EQ/IQ PSEUDS
You are that tranny now btw since you responded to my unquoted comment about them btw. You cannot wise yourself out of this box. Admit it, it's over for you. My High-EQ rains supermeme.

>>81475688
>>81475719
SUCCESSFUL Cult leaders have very high empathy, that's required in order to interpret and manipulate their emotions.

>>81475649

>backpedaling in the very same post I clarified

Sure lol. More like you you have to type like a robot and not a human or someone desperate enough will do whatever they can to misrepresent you no matter how many times you clarify.

>>81475733
>Please replace the tranny as my new boredom alleviator please please I beg you I'm so bored pleaseeeeeeeeeee *cums*
No thanks, I'm good. And gross bro

>>81475749
Which doubles back to the point I was making about dark empathy.
Highly empathetic people who are keenly aware of other's emotions and feelings have the insight required to manipulate them as well, whether their intentions are pure or not is the question. "Manipulation" is not always negatively charged, sometimes a highly empathetic individual will manipulate someone to push them to do something that is good for them. A simple example would be convincing them to eat/drink water/shower when they're depressed. They could also use that same tactic to get them to drink the kool-aid.

>>81475659
>make it a great day today :) <3
at this point, i don't know if you're being mean or nice, but for this thread's sake i'll assume you're nice. my day was awful already, but let's hope tomorrow is better. i hope your day was nice today and you have a nice day tomorrow!

>>81475771
Heh, no argument, chud? Just say you have a low EQ. You rolled in here on 4 wheels, drooling all over yourself. Imagine having to speak from keyboard to speaker like Stephen Hawking.
That's a factual statement of who you actually are, and you cannot argue against it. My high EQ led me to this unquestionable determination.
I accept your concession.

>>81475793
That then also opens the can of worms of "what if the cult leader believes what they're espousing and/or believes they are genuinely helping people by giving them community and purpose"

>>81475806
Of course I'm being genuine silly, it's all just fun and games.
>>81475813
Which triple chocolate fudges back to my point of being delusional and you can't change my mind >:D low EQ chuddies BTFO once again!

>>81475831
I'm not arguing with you, I'm adding to your argument

>>81474266 (OP)
this thread is like that one part in portal where glad0s tries to short wheatley with a paradox

>>81475878
No, you're CLEARLY arguing with me! We are arguing right now and I'm angry! Your point is wrong and mine is right! This is a solid indicator that I have high EQ and you do not!

>>81475882
dude i love pordal

>>81475931
AHAHAHAHA HE ATE THE PLATE BECAUSE THE CAKE IS A LIE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
#justgamerthings #LOL #funny #gamermemes #portal

give it to me straight fellas. If people aren't eating ice cream is it safe to assume shark atttacks are happening less frequently?

>>81475955
Yes, it's the same correlation as with ham and velocity.

>>81475955
Yes, because people eat ice cream at the beach. It has been shown that the less ice cream that is present at the beach, there are less beach goers, which results in less shark attacks. Additionally, the more ice cream a person eats, the tastier they are to sharks, which results in more frequent and deadly attacks.
Source: My Ass

>>81475977
so based, time to get eat ice cream

>>81475997
eat the ice cream sharkjeet

>>81475955
the man
He's made of straw
how silly

so that's why threads get hundreds of replies

a singular deranged schizo
I've learned so much today

>>81476663
I only started commenting about 2/3rds through this thread, and I destroyed all of you with my vacuum-sealed facts and logic. Stay mad, low EQ chuddy.

>>81476701
who the fuck even are you

>>81476958
Yo daddy nigga bitch
Verification never required

>>81477213
bump
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>>81474266 (OP)
>Intelligence and Empathy
I think this is something stupid women in college made up to feel better about themselves, the type of woman who can get good grades but isn't good at using her knowledge for anything other than test-taking.
I say this as someone who can be extremely empathetic, who thinks they are retarded, and who knows that correlation does not equal causation.