Do men that are actually interested in life even exist and how much? My dad, my bf, and all men that ever been interested in me do nothing but consume slop(even worse they barely ever try new slop, just repeat nostalgic shit), work and that's it. They never look at something in reality and feel curious and excited about it. They see travel simply as clubbing shit, which is actually weird as shit, since the point of travel is new views and info about the world first and foremost. They never wanna try new food. Are men even capable of fundamentally enjoying life? Even when I'm depressed I just lament my lack of energy to enjoy stuff but I know there is endless amount of things to explore in life. But men are content just sitting in some cubicle all day? This shit is weird as fuck, like they are an actual non playable characters in their own lives. 0 creativity and curiosity. Where is the boundless human spirit?
And BTW my life have not been easy, I've been cast out from all communities and can't hold a job or get sex(even from my partner), but I am still just interested in the world and how humans function and such. The urge to explore and know more just feels like natural part of human psyche. Isn't it what made humanoids populate and conquer the world?

>>81479089 (OP)
No, they are too busy working in the futile hopes it will attract you and allow them to keep you for a few years before you get bored and cheat on them.

>>81479089 (OP)
traveling is a female genetic diversification drive, it'd be weird for a guy to be into it naturally

>>81479112
Why not? It's actually men who are supposed to be adventurous and for the longest time in history they were - the ones who tried to reach beyond the horizont.

>>81479089 (OP)
>travel
Travel is just tourism. Tourists are vermin.

>>81479102
Uhm dad is not interested in attracting me. My mom is alsoa rich fag so he doesn't even NEED to work, he just has nothing else to do
Also when I met my bf he was broke and jobless and I wouldn't care if he stayed broke since I pay for myself anyways. >>81479102

>>81479164
Dude, getting on an airplane, riding on a tour bus, going to a hotel, being guided through tourist traps, etc., this has nothing in common with going out and charting new lands, conquering territory, etc., except that you're physically going away from home.

>>81479112
this mindset is why the neanderthals went extinct

>>81479089 (OP)
Travelling alone is boring. Going to a country where you don't speak the local language is stressful. And of course it's expensive too, so only rich people can do it regularly. That's why I don't travel. I'm an introverted nerd so I prefer staying alone in my room.

>>81479089 (OP)
You are not full of wonder among npcs you're just intoxicated from smelling your own farts

>>81479178
You can manage your trip on your own as you like it. Tourism is just a lighter version for the faint of heart. But it comes from same instinct.

>>81479192
I don't really agree, having someone with you both adds and detracts, both are good in their own ways. You get way more freedom and can be more efficient when alone.

>>81479089 (OP)
I find this true about men and women. Most women seem naturally uncurious, and I find it so unattractive. I want to explore the world, learn as much as I can and develop myself but most have no desire for and I find it hard to find someone with similar drive

>>81479220
>But it comes from same instinct.
No it doesn't. It doesn't matter whether you're arranging the tourism yourself, it's tourism. You're not discovering anything new. You're not going anywhere new. Everywhere you step is already charted. You are not forging a new path. You are not conquering new land. You are just walking in known and safe territory. That's why men don't enjoy it. Because it doesn't at all fulfill our instinct for adventure. Because it's not adventure. It's tourism.

>>81479089 (OP)
We love life for it's simplicity more than for it's complexity.
There is something sacred in this quiet pendulum of the breath , it is good to be alive anons.

>>81479089 (OP)
They probably think the same thing about you. You're not privy to someone's inner world and what they care about.

Stop navel gazing and work on yourself.

>>81479089 (OP)
>or get sex(even from my partner)
Men don't grow or develop attraction like women do sometimes, men can only drop attraction. Men will fuck even when not attracted, it's gg, time for a new bf. And of course not every man is a drone, minus the traveling thing.

>>81479089 (OP)
I wish I knew. I've got so little interest in anything. I don't know where my own boundless spirit is, it's like I should have wings and fly but instead they're crippled. You don't understand it, but neither do I. Maybe the reward pathways in my brain are broken. It would explain a lot.

I'm not even angry at them, it's just a sad sight. It's like they aren't living. I see new types flowers blooming and new activities to do every year. They are not interested. Why? I work as well and as much.

>>81479089 (OP)
The men that are doing that don't want you

>>81479259
He is a good person. I ve accepted no sex, it doesn't matter. We have plenty of non sexual intimacy.

>>81479237
You are more telling on yourself that you are not interested because you are not present. Even on the most deadbeat tourist trap there is plenty new things to see, hear and feel.

>>81479254
I am judge by actions, not inner worlds.

>>81479323
Except they are the only men who were open to date me. I guess no man is interested in me then, I'm a one true femcel no less.

>>81479330
>Even on the most deadbeat tourist trap there is plenty new things to see, hear and feel.
That is not an adventure. You are not accomplishing anything. You are just paying money to have these experiences put before you.

At least if you go camping in the wilderness you're doing something yourself and have to put in some effort and there's a bit of risk involved (getting lost, wild animals, exposure to the elements, etc).

this modern world takes some men like this and chews them up and breaks their spirits. the feminism, the gay ideologies, they poison men, not only that, but the food, the water, the air, the culture, its all compounding together on its mission to poison men. stop thinking its the mens faults, this world is doing almost everything in its power to break down and poison the healthy natural men you describe

>>81479089 (OP)
I had some of these aspects but in my late teens I got my 2nd girlfriend who has BPD and being inexperienced in women and because this girl was mentally ill she was able to get under my skin and damage the masculinity and other things in me.

>>81479340
> getting lost, wild animals, exposure to the elements, etc)
It's the same with tourism however, I guess you never actually did it so why comment? There are places in the world where wild animals roam free in the cityscapes and you are always by default exposed to the elements, sun and floods, animals, malaria diarrhea et cetera. People like you would actively avoid those more risky places though anyways.
Last year I went a bog in spring and after 5 km turned out 60% of way out was flooded. Trying to find way out without drowning was tiny scale adventure no less. It was a tourist place, it's just that most choose to retrace steps back, but I just went head on into challenge because it's fun.

Few weeks ago some dumb bitch asked the same and the answer is we have our subcultures, we spend time on the internet and games we go to the gym or we dedicate our lives to something meaningful for us (that kind of things bitches like you doesnt even comprehend) and more importantly we tend to be in areas with no women at all because this misandric democratic system we live in punishes men with high testosterone and the sort of things you are yapping about

>>81479369
Is there anything I could do to invigorate at lest those men I'm connected with? Or is it hopeless

>>81479467
Idk I have been to archery clubs and hiking communities and men there were few. One thing that stuck to me was when I was visiting carving course our teacher was actually passionate about the subject but he also complained that no people in this deadass place can truly appreciate the craft and it's demoralizing to him. So I don't think he has some sort of clique to hang around other men in regards to that.

>>81479487
yes of course you can, I know a man like youre looking for will probably value a nice, helpful, caring, young traditional woman who has come from somewhere rural that has been sheltered from the outer gay zog world and was raised in a strong traditional household and she has healthy views on family and life and such, and doesnt have warped standards for men or warped perspectives of men and women, society, relationships etc if you are understanding the gist of what I am getting at here. so basically if you do fit some of these then a man like youre searching for would most likely be attracted to you and so as long as you kept your values in check and not fall for the brainwashing of this gay modern zog culture and follow your mans lead then he will lead you and love you and want to build a family with you

>>81479504
Why dont you go to train combat sports? Shooting sports? Technology startups? Car meetings? Gaming sessions? Who do you think maintains the entire internet? Men usually hike alone, you are expecting men to act like girls and we are different. I could write a lot of examples of hobbys both indoors and outdoors all night but I repeat, we are generally interested in things women doesnt comprehend or even understand

>>81479504
Archery and hiking communities are so gay and femenine

>>81479544
That's not even the point of thread anyways. I don't see any men outside. I see men spacing out if their media slop becomes dull, they don't know what to do with themselves.
> train combat sports? Shooting sports?
Archery is both combat and shooting.
> Car meetings?
I swear you just made it up because I have never heard of such thing just existing in my whole life. And my dad was supposed to be a car nerd at some point.

Traveling alone is quite pointless since you don't have anyone to talk to pass the time and actually unravel the things you are experiencing. If I were to visit some medieval castle I've always wanted to see alone, I would get there, look at it and go
>Neat
in my mind before continuing on.
Furthermore, travel experience as a guy is very different than that of women. My sister traveled to another part of the country and everyone was overjoyed just to hear her accent and people would just randomly approach her for directions and such. No one wants to randomly approach sub-par men, not here or abroad. You're invisible at best, and a target of scams and muggings at worst.

>>81479089 (OP)
Men who avoided all technology and had lots of positive reinforcement for real-world socialisation, maybe.
We're surrounded by audiovisual heroin. It's infinitely more fun for me to write this, fill out the captcha and click submit than literally anything else I could conceivably be doing today.
I try to argue with my brain about it but I don't exactly have a leg to stand on. Every time I "win" the alternate activity just turns out to be boring or depressing the end.
>travel
Don't really get anything out of it. Nobody talks to you unless you're a woman or very charming, which I'm certainly not.
My last trip was just me walking around some Dutch city being completely invisible to everyone. Went to an event full of like-minded autists and... made no friends. How rewarding, right?
>new food
That's fine now and then, but attempts to branch out usually result in me blowing $50 on something I don't like, so best not to do that too often.
>urge to explore
Whole world's been charted and filmed already, I can explore from my desk.
I guess seeing something like, I don't know, Antarctica in person would be exciting. Fucking expensive though. Gotta work a lot more years, and even then there's always gonna be more important things to spend the money on, so...

>>81479619
>I have never heard of such thing just existing in my whole life. And my dad was supposed to be a car nerd at some point.
he must not have been a very good one if he never went to meets

>>81479089 (OP)
Yes, but do you honestly expect to find one with the way you live?

>>81479089 (OP)
I have traveled to all 50 states, several territories, through Canada, Mexico, Italy and China. I am always enjoying new food and new things. Finding someone to share it with seems impossible, because most of you girls just want to be a lump in your bedroom and fantasize about such activities while you eat Kraft Mac & Cheese with hotdogs and watch K-Pop videos.

>>81479089 (OP)
>They see travel simply as clubbing shit
I don't. My life is just too sedentary to do it.

>>81479487
Drag them outside and make them touch grass by force. Repeatedly. Low success rate but there's not much else you can do.

>>81479089 (OP)
I'd fucking love to travel, but I never have the money nor can I seem to get the time off work
Never seems to be a problem for you women though

>>81479089 (OP)
>why can't people have a deep appreciation of life like me and have creativity and curiosity
>I love travel, my hobbies are travel, travel, and eating food while traveling
Wow, I can tell from a distance how incredibly much you know and have learned from your journeys, and what a creative person you are.

Women are much happier being human and living compared to non rich men. That's the reason most problems they ever yap about is the chance of a one time event of being raped

>>81479089 (OP)
Sounds like it's time for mom and dad to kick you the fuck out the house so you can experience what it's like to work at a soulless job just to pay the rent. Then you can come back and tell us how vibrant and wonderful everything is, you stupid spoiled child.

>>81479089 (OP)
>Are men even capable of fundamentally enjoying life?
funny because this post sounds like you complaining about men enjoying life and you being miserable LOL

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Dont have energy/time/money for real travel and tourist shit is just boring and seem like waste. Lately the most I enjoyed cities were on business trips, after the work bullshit ends I just wander the place, find place to eat/drink, sometimes I even talked to some people. I like the no pressure aspect of it, if I go myself I just feel pressure to see or do some stuff that at end proves to be dissapointing. Or hiking, especially in winter when there are few people, this year I first time went ski touring for few days (before only went for day trips vlose to home), will do again next year.

>>81479089 (OP)
No, men are not socialized well like women and never learn how to appreciate life and ultimately fall into gooning, not showering, spending all day doing only stuff that's easy and makes them miserable, and generally hating life.

That, and a man who acts as an end rather than a better tool for women than the next guy gets humiliated and outcasted. A man enjoying something other than women is minimized at best and apologized for at worst.

>>81479179
the neanderthals never existed. adam and eve were the first humans born 6000 years ago.

>>81481205
>the no pressure aspect of it
Christ yes, the feeling of my autism setting fire to triple digits USD is horrifying. I don't even want to think what a four digit trip would feel like.

>>81479164
There's no honor or glory in travel anymore. There's nowhere left to explore. The best we have these days is sending a probe into space or the deep sea and recording electromagnetic readings. Traveling is not exploration. It's a Disney Land theme park excursion. It's shopping with extra steps.

>>81479112
Is it opposite day? That seems like the only explanation for this post.

i do, and in fact it handicaps me on dating apps because girls cant continue the conversations...

>>81482705
You're not really supposed to have those conversations over the app...

>>81479089 (OP)
I think I hate life

So much talk about how big the world is feels like putting the cart before the horse. I realize it's so cliche to the point it appears npc'ish but since getting really into plants I probably talk about the weather way too much. But who gives a shit about traveling to Europe or Asia when you can travel to the same property your house is on and there are hundreds of microclimates, each elevation, depression, rock, tree, being just one of a gorillions elements and aspects of it. The area between forest and plain is incredibly interesting, especially when you get into purposely manipulating.
You might have a wind break of evergreens to protect sensitive plants, but further south of the screen hardier plants, while still needing protection, they are better able to withstand the lesser protection as a result of the distance. A place for everything. If a slope faces north or south makes all the difference for peaches. A couple warm days and they're setting buds only to see them die next frost. But colder air flows down a northern slope, and the peach trees are below the air-of-cold-temperature level, and so they will wait to bud.
The number of species of bugs, flowers, birds, mammals, trees, grass, bushes, fungi, etc. I doubt most people learn even ten percent of the life in their own little area. So again, what will you see abroad when you don't even see at home?

>>81479089 (OP)
none of your points make any sense

if i want to see more places and points of view, i can do that from my computer, it's faster, cheaper, more efficient and comprehensive than wasting so much on physically moving
>consume slop(even worse they barely ever try new slop, just repeat nostalgic shit
us men hate adulthood so we look back fondly on nostalgic shit since it's the only time in our lives we were happy, the more we explore the world the more wicked it looks to us
>They see travel simply as clubbing shit, which is actually weird as shit, since the point of travel is new views and info about the world
most traveling tourists, especially women, are simply following it as a trend, they don't learn or gain shit, most of them just go to take pictures for the insta or whatever
> Are men even capable of fundamentally enjoying life?
i was, as a kid, but life slowly beat the realization into me that i'm not meant to enjoy it, there is nothing to be happy about
> 0 creativity and curiosity. Where is the boundless human spirit?
killed by the realization that you need to work as an adult, we don't like cubicles, why do you think men are undefeated suicide champions?
but guess what, life's not so nice as to allow you to just run around the world whenever you feel like it, you have responsibilities and money don't grow in trees
>Isn't it what made humanoids populate and conquer the world?
no, it was power, the strong devour the weak, not because they're explorers, but because they can

You all fags(sry) are overfocused on travel shit, I just used it as an example of attitude lol.

>>81479693
>>81479914
I don't really talk to people when I travel, although it's true that bringing a man with you doubles chances of scam weirdly enough. People think that a man must be ultra rich if he travels.

>>81480405
I try but the effect seems way too short lived.

>>81481192
I work as much as any regular man nowadays.
>>81483720
You cant sense the air, the smell, the sounds and the scope of a place by screen. You get nothing from it.
I barely even ever take pictures because they are utterly meaningless compared to real experience.
> we don't like cubicles
I my experience, you pretty much do. Men take pride in living in "minimalist spaces" surrounded by concrete walls and letting no light in.
They glorify prison cells lite.

You will also never form a memory of a thing you just look at, not live through.
Imagine you are at your deathbed, looking back at your life. It's all same gray mush. Couldn't be me. God I'm so happy my parents always prioritized experiences over things and taught me to do so as well.

>>81479089 (OP)
> Spend thousands of dollars to see people doing exactly the same shit they do at home.

Well anyways I will be off to collect lilacs and trying to extract their smell to enjoy it in the winter

>>81483952
i like taking deep breaths; morning air, midnight air, beach air, mountain air, freshly cut grass and so on
but these have nothing to do with traveling, you can find them pretty much everywhere
i don't go to places for no reason, and if i have a reason i just want to go there to deal with that, whether it's close or far is irrelevant

to be quite honest, i think technology killed the romance of traveling
whenever you need to go somewhere, it's not a journey anymore, doesn't feel like one
and if you aren't efficient about it, it feels like a waste of time


>> we don't like cubicles
>I my experience, you pretty much do. Men take pride in living in "minimalist spaces" surrounded by concrete walls and letting no light in.
>They glorify prison cells lite.

wagie cagie cubicles are not the same as an empty room
having a quiet, simple environment with nothing to bother you is a much needed mental break for many of us

>>81479089 (OP)
you're stuck in a social circle full of hylic retards
plenty of normal people exist but not where you are

my wife's family are all <100iq rural people with no interests or hobbies (except her, she's wonderful)
my family is all >100iq and almost all work in education and have several outdoor hobbies and rich fulfilling lives
if I hadn't dragged her out of her small town she'd be stuck in much the same way that you are now, surrounded by banal people who mock her for being smarter and having interests

you have to find some escape rope, like going to college or finding someone on a dating app who can help you get away from where you are
my sister-in-law has just recently done the same thing, escaped from her family through a guy on tinder
now instead of working graveyard shifts at the gas station they're going kayaking and hiking every weekend and she lives in the city with him

there are people with souls out there you just have to find them somehow

>>81479089 (OP)
>Can't get sex
>Is a woman
Fuck you.

>>81484034
Any sensible man would disagree. Through books you live richer and deeper lives than you ever would had you been there to experience it. The details that the author put into the recount generally has a greater depth of insight tempered by the author's knowledge and past experiences and key here, what he has read and written prior to sharing his experiences. He's taken the time to mull the experience over, digest different ideas and consider all perspectives, then he distills it down to pure words on paper, maybe a drawing, illustration, or photo.
Just about every time I've gone to see something in person it was less fulfilling than just reading about it would have been. This may change for something I'm deeply knowledgeable about. I've read enough about architecture that I have a vocabulary and eye to know what I am looking at. I can appreciate the beauty. But I'm not allowed to get up close and personal as I'd like, and there are other people around. In the book I go to the same places but just me and the author alone.

>>81479089 (OP)
We are the slave gender.
Most of us are just glorified work slaves, slaves that are even openly hated by modern society.

At least your dad and your bf have family and loved ones, huge incentives to live and to improve. People like me tho? Virgin wageslaves that only get to cope with existence thanks to endless escapism? I just want to die, but I am not brave enough to pull the trigger

>>81482075
> honor or glory
So it's was all about status all along, lol?
Sry but you are lesser being. Traveling men used to be seen as delinquents anyways.
> Disney land
Well if the world is a dysney land, then you being such a downer about it is even more pathetic. Dysney lands are fun and are to be enjoyed.

>>81484300
> details that the author put into the recount generally has a greater depth of insight tempered by the author's knowledge and past experiences and key here
You realize that any author can only write good elaborate things, when they have actually been through them? And that you can do same too, instead of recounting second hand stuff? Or are you admitting that your IQ is just lower to think about stuff directly in a similar manner?
Circling back to the topic at hand
- why do you want to avoid your own life?
I have read plenty of books and frankly do not remember a single thing from them, it's kind of informational clutter to me,but being into books is fine and dandy, however that's not really what average man does. I have never met a man that was really into books.

>>81484282
Well I do live in a rather god forgotten place, that's true.

>>81484460
>You realize that any author can only write good elaborate things, when they have actually been through them?
I would again disagree. If it's worth reading about it's probably not a first time fresh experience but something the author is familiar with to some degree. The familiarity in some part is due to books.
For experiencing first hand, the problem is one of ignorance, not intelligence. Given enough time it is possible of course to reach a similar level of expertise firsthand, but reading dramatically shortens the time required. Like I said with architecture, I might be able to get something from visiting a special example. A cool cave with rocks in it? I don't know much about geology so the experience would be less interesting if I don't learn about it more before going.
>being into books is fine and dandy, however that's not really what average man does
Who cares about average? Given that pretty much all books worth anything we're written by men suggests books are a male dominated interest. Looking at the readers it's undeniably a sausagefest. Women don't really read much outside of smut but that's just being horny, not being into books. I mean maybe you can find a weird girl into literature, but literature is read for the story which is very different from a nonfiction nonhistory book.

>>81479089 (OP)
Oy vey stop the noticing goyim and continue to eat your slop like a good goy

>>81479089 (OP)
I love life and exploring all about it. But that's why I don't post much here. Too much hatred of life.