Ultimately, I didn't troon out, but there was a period when I was younger (like 10-11) when I prayed to wake up as a girl almost daily. I never thought anything of it afterward, but is it really that uncommon?

At least for me, I guess I felt persecuted for being a guy and thought women had it easier, so I wanted to be a girl so everyone would be nice to me.

>>81481105 (OP)
>you're not normal so we should cut your boobs off
14 century level healthcare.

>>81481105 (OP)
Yes, I wanted to be a girl when I was really small, before the age of 10. Those thoughts disappeared years ago though.

I wanted to be a girl when i was like 14 maybe, not sure the exact age. I was lonely and thought that if i were a girl people would like me

I would see gender bender episodes of cartoons as a kid and got scared of the idea of something like that happening to me. Then I developed a morbid fascination with idea of people being magically transformed into the opposite sex and found DeviantArt. Regrettably now I do think about how being transformed into a beautiful woman would not be so bad.

>boys want people to be nicer to them and wish to become girls
>girls hate their biology and want to become boys
Interesting dichotomy

>>81481494
sounds like boys who pass as girls won

>>81481494
>trans girls get the best of both worlds
even interestinger.

>>81481105 (OP)
I was a social troon in high school in that everyone used the right pronouns and didn't deadname me. Social life was pretty good too. Had close friends and dated both girls and guys. Not from a cuddle puddle polycule shithole city, either.
I think a lot of what helped was that I was genuinely in a state of despair re: all of these things and I had friends who wanted to help me. It wasn't because I thought femininity was cool, or that I was seeking attention. I just hate every aspect of my male body to an abnormal degree, and it hinders my ability to function. Why shouldn't I seek some remedy for that?
I'm still dysphoric but for my own safety in the current climate I'm repping. Probably will for the rest of my life as I'm slowly but surely masculinizing into something that nothing could save. Mirrors depress me. My voice depresses me. Feeling hair on my face and chest depresses me.

nah i was more like
>thank fucking god i have a penis i dont want be one of those smelly foids

>>81482115
Transition. Do it for (You). Don't label yourself, just do what you want. Don't like hair? Shave. Don't like shadow? Get it lasered. Don't count on suddenly developing an appreciation for it. You don't need to do anything you don't want to. If anybody dislikes it, fuck 'em. It means nothing. Your friends won't hate you because you don't like body hair or you speak kinda funny.

Just kidding kill yourself.

>>81482115
I get it. I think for me, the feeling of wanting to be a girl transformed into just a dislike for my male secondary sexual characteristics. Like, I don't want to be a girl anymore. I don't want maleness; the insane amounts of body hair, the balding, and the inability to speak to strangers (men or women) in public without them immediately treating me as a threat. If I were an edgeless androgynous being, I think people would be kinder to me and my self image would improve. Even if I started taking hormones, dressing differently, etc at this point, puberty has taken its toll and I would still look threatening to most people (rapehon)

>>81481105 (OP)
>Did you ever wish to be the oppositie gender as a kid?

No, but I regret not going fool troon before puberty. Not because of dysphoria or some AGP fetish but because being an adult manlet is pure suffering with the only out being a bullet.

No one told me that though. No one warned me of the horrible choice I was making to become a tiny Man.

>>81482264
hahahahahahahaha everyone look at the manlet he hates troons because he wishes he was one

>>81482274
I dont hate trans people and youre wasting your time trying to insult me and make me feel bad. I'm already at the bottom I have no self-esteem.

>>81481105 (OP)
Not really. I suspect my mom kind of groomed me, though. She's deep into that "egg" shit and, what do you know, her next child ten years after me and my brother does troon out. Apparently I once went as a princess to some halloween thing and once asked to be called by a girl's name, something I can't remember but that she's brought up at more or less every single family function. I just don't feel any discomfort with being a man, so she couldn't really push me far enough, I think. I have felt that women have it a lot easier, but eh. I am what I am and there's no anxiety in that.

>>81482318
Bitches will do anything but sex select with IVF holy shit if you want a daughter that badly there are options.

>>81482274
You're sick for even accusing me of that
It is an abomination
A man wanting to be a woman? God made adam and eve not adam and steve

>>81481494
Girls only see Chad and think that's the kind of life they'll have if they transition. A lifetime of male privilege memes exacerbate their "grass is greener" feelings. Then after transitioning they become a scrawny, dickless, giga manlet with a weird voice and finally realize not all men are Chads. Next comes the harsh truth that if you aren't Chad you are lower on the totem pole than women.

>>81482448
>fear of coming off as creepy
Maybe it's because I'm a manlet but the easiest way to avoid this (for men and women but really more women) is just to approach everyone like you have absolutely zero interest in them as a person. Ironically, objectifying women and treating them like NPCs has gained me more female favor than constantly being wary of how uncomfortable I may be making them.
Even complimenting a woman comes across more smoothly if you give the impression you're only impressed, say, by her jacket and not at all her.
It's like they want us to be empathy-free psychopaths, holy shit.

>>81482343
Yeah, but I don't think she wanted a daughter. She wanted a tranny. That's worth a lot of woke points, a lot of status in her circles. The "next child" is ftm and I've heard more about testosterone with them than I have on /fit/.

>>81482497
People like that are sick and disgusting
t.ranny

That sounds so moronic to me, seems like you are just a troon first and then making up post hoc justification for it. If I wanted people to be nicer to me I would just pray for people to be nice to me.

No, I never wished to be the opposite sex, curiousity maybe, but never wish to be a grill, always thought it would be boring and I was always very physical and being weaker and shorter always sounded not very appealing.

I think it's lot more common then people think since I see lot of posts like yours'.

>>81482666
The question I never see discussed is, supposing sometime in the future we'll have reproductive/cosmetic procedures and treatments such that anyone can troon out, pass, and be fertile for a workable price, will the same stigmas still exist? Would you not be more open to the possibility of others (or even yourself) being happier in a body of the opposite sex?
Remove the barriers for entry and the chance of failure and you remove the stigma. Remove the stigma and you have no real counterargument.

>>81482697
No, I dislike people who do plastic surgeries and I don't like the medical system. There is nothing troons can do that will make me like them as group for me though, they tend to have a bad character in my opinion, few of them are alright and some of them are attractive and feminine enough already.

>>81482697
No, the stigma will stay because 99% of trannies are creepy gross weirdos. Unless you can make the stigmatized people normal, the stigma stays, in all contexts

>>81482724
>99% of trannies are creepy gross weirdos
Right, but is this because most people who transition have much less to lose than most or is it because human expression is directly tied to weirdness. You can't convince me that the ostensibly normal women on tiktok who think they'd be chad if they were men would not be open to the possibility if they knew they wouldn't be a fat, pube-bearded pooner

>>81481105 (OP)
Yes and I still do.

But it'll never happen. So ah well best I can do is roleplay in some games and draw art pretend I am one of my characters.

>>81482711
>I dislike people who do plastic surgery
Most of the western world seems to love celebrities
>and dislike the medical system
In its current iteration? Maybe. But most people are not opposed to medicine.
"Removing the stigma" is directly a group-level phenomenon. Someone in Utah might hate interracial marriages but the fact of the matter is most of the western world is fine with them.

>>81482750
I'm a bit drunk, so I'm sorry if I'm missing your point anon, but I don't think the desire to be the other gender is as widespread, strong or (importantly) genuine as you seem to. If transitioning was near-perfect and dirt cheap with few side effects, it would mostly still be weird people drawn to it, especially since weirdos would be the ones to do a stigmatized thing in the first place

>>81482764
Celebrities hide if they have plastic surgery because of stigma.
Something about the troons just feels wrong abojt gut level, I don't think stigma would go away unless you hid it.
Most people are still digusted by interacial marriage, they just don't think it's morally wrong anymore or care about it.

>>81482448
>Next comes the harsh truth that if you aren't Chad you are lower on the totem pole than women.
And yet they still cope and act like women aren't the problem. Just goes to show no amount of T will change a woman's brain.

>>81482697
I think the issue is, assuming the barriers for undergoing a full biological transformation into the opposite sex were low, is that the actual population of born in the wrong body types of trans people are going to be far less visible than those who would undergo the same procedure for perverted fetishized reasons. I would also think there would still be a general phobia heterosexual people would have if a potential sexual partner was once a member of the same sex, even if from biological standpoint their new sexual organs were completely compatible.

>>81483222
On the contrary, I believe that people would have fewer qualms regarding sex in general as one of the biggest supposed barriers to human experience would be eliminated. This is the future, by the way.

>>81483270
>this is the future
fuck the future.

>>81483222
I think a lot of the underlying cause for AGP-types is just the taboo of the whole ordeal. For this reason, I would foresee that demographic still crossdressing/being a hon rather than trooning properly outright, and if they did troon outright (i.e. they just looked like women) how would they be different from some really weird woman?
I also see similarities to yellow fever types pre-modern immigration/globalization. Asian fetishists still exist, but there are also just a lot of white guys now who are more exposed to and find themselves attracted to Asian women.
Point being, you're always going to have weirdos, and I don't think that alone is a compelling reason against why it wouldn't be more normalized. For every fetishist, you could have ten people who are genuinely happier for it and now have positive life trajectories where they previously wouldn't.
>I would also think there would still be a general phobia heterosexual people would have if a potential sexual partner was once a member of the same sex, even if from biological standpoint their new sexual organs were completely compatible.
I'll give you this, but I also think this skepticism was shared while plastic surgery was just becoming a widespread thing. Now you have entire cultures that engage with it freely, and people mention getting botox like it's nothing. I think the possibility is open for us to adapt.

Girls have cooties
Girls go to Venus to get more penis boy go to mars to get fast cars.
Dumb fucking foids sluts since inception.

>>81481105 (OP)
It's a normal thing for outcasts and people with mental issues. I discovered sex and masturbation at way too young of an age, and it had me curious about what does it feel like to get fucked in a vagina for a while. I even tried crossdressing to see what it would be like.
Of course when my mental state got stable and I realized I fucked up seeing porn too early I was able to deal with the thoughts and have them go away, but troons would rather enable it and live in the fetish forever. Crack cocaine.

a jew doctor cut off my tomboy tits when i was 16 years old, now billions must die

>>81481246
That procedure is virtually never done on minors

>>81481105 (OP)
Not as a kid but in high school and university when I noticed girls were almost never alone compared to me.