Save us from ourselves.

Sincerely,
Women

>>81498876 (OP)
No sry foid i like hoes

>>81498876 (OP)
that was the most anticlimatic bossfight ever what the fuck

>being a stay at home pet for men is good actually! having rights is LE BAD because this minority of women does bad stuff so we should take all womens rights away!
incels will say this unironically and then complain about getting zero bitches

>>81498900
>incels will say this unironically
Wrong women don't want me because i wanna be the stay at home pet instead

>>81498876 (OP)
Give pussy first

>>81498876 (OP)
Kill yourself. Women don't need to be saved. Just most of them need to die without reproducing. Same for men. Cull 90% of the population.

Except feminism is having the freedom to choose either

>>81498900
>having rights is LE BAD because this minority of women does bad stuff so we should take all womens rights away!
Treating women and men equally is bad because it's unsustainable.

>>81498876 (OP)
>le feminism is making women naked !
good let's have more feminism

>>81498900
>Person has rights
>They abuse those rights
>We take them away (Example: putting them in jail)
>Women have rights
>They abuse them (Voting for immigration, aborting their kids, fucking Chad)
>We take away their rights

so simple a frogposter could understand it

>>81498959
>treating human beings with genitalia number 1 and human beings with genitalia number 2 equally is le bad because... because i said so!

>>81498959
>it's unsustainable.
No it's not.

>>81498974
No, it's bad because it's unsustainable, as in the birth rate is too low to actually sustain this ideology, everywhere on the planet.

You and I would probably agree morality is relative. If you cannot pitch me a sustainable ideology, I simply don't care, because you don't have any way to convincingly argue for it beyond
>actually, it's LE GOOD!

>>81498973
Women rejecting you are not abusing their right, they are exercising it.
Immigration is good though.

>>81498976
Yes, it is. There are no egalitarian nations with a birth rate at or above 2.1.

>>81498983
The birth rate is low because inflation and poverty have made the working class unable to provide for children without financial ruin. Having kids is synonymous with dropping 2 social classes.
You are just twisting this into some nonsensical incel narrative

>>81498991
the world is overpopulated. AI is coming to replace 90% of jobs. Lower birthrates is a problem fixing itself.
>You must breed more soldiers for israel
No thank you

>>81498983
>as in the birth rate is too low to actually sustain this ideology
The "ideology" has been around for, like, 80 years. During that time the human population grew from 2.5 billion in 1950 to 8 billion in 2025.

For some reason the incels think the growth has to continue. No, no it doesn't.

>>81498973
>They abuse those rights
people don't go to prison for "abusing" their rights, they get to prison for breaking the law
>They abuse them (Voting for
that's not abusing rights just because you don't agree with what somebody voted on
you're an idiot
>frogposter
of course... a frogposter
I thought being a brainded incel dumbass was as low as it gets, guess they're people even below me

>>81498997
>birth rate is low because inflation and poverty
Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries on Earth and has a birth rate of 5. This is not a rare phenomenon either - see the entirety of Africa and South America. Get real. Formulate an actual argument for your ideology or fuck off.

>>81499003
>the world is overpopulated
No, it isn't.
>AI is coming to replace 90% of jobs.
No, it isn't.
>Lower birthrates is a problem fixing itself.
No, it isn't.

In 2060, North Korea will march south across the DMZ into the geriatric failed state of South Korea and inform them that the land is simply Korea now. South Korea will have no recourse because pensioners cannot fight a war and a non-existent population cannot constitute a nation.

Formulate an actual argument or fuck off.

>>81498983
Your grandparents could afford to buy a house, a car, pay for college, and provide for three children all with one man's minimum wage salary, and that's why they had that many kids.
You'd be surprised by how many families would do that if they could. The problem is the current state of capitalism and corporate greed sucking the soul out of the working class while pitting us against each other (you right now)

>>81498900
such a small minority of women does bad stuff that the entire specie is dying off even brownoids aren't having kids anymore LMAO

>>81499013
Birth rates dropped with the introduction of feminism and only recovered post-war, which is a documented phenomenon that occurs either way.

Feminism very clearly has a negative impact on birth rates; only a total fucking moron would even try to argue that family planning, contraception, abortion, etc, would not lower birth rates - are you that stupid, anon? Really?

>here are your voting rights, you are free to vote for anyone!
>NOOOOOO DON'T VOTE FOR THAT GUY YOU'RE LITERALLY ABUSING YOUR RIGHTS!!!!
>here is your right to choose a partner yourself
>NOOOOOO DON'T DATE THIS HANDSOME TRUSTWORHY GUY DATE THE HATEFUL CHUD INSTEAD!!!!

incels are retarded

>>81499026
And yet in Africa, they are reproducing anyway. That's odd, isn't it?

>>81499024
>mentions poor countries
These people don't have access to contraceptive. For them, having kids is not an option, but an inevitability. They also have skyhigh infant mortality rates.
So you want to force women to breed by taking away birth control?
The irony you don't realize is that the 1st world men also don't want that.

>>81499037
Not out of choice, but precisely due to lack of choice.
Not even the men would support you if you threatened to take birth control away. In fact men would be the first to protest. You think men want to have multiple children, ruining his freedom and finances? Not every men is an incel like you. They're fine fucking women without leaving a trace of babies to provide for

>>81498900
it's not as if actualized women make anything important or worthy, turning them into muses and sex holes would be a better use of them

>>81499029
Birth rates dropped with the introduction of birth control and the rising cost of life is the main reason why people have less kids today.

>>81499034
exactly, this is why given foids rights was a mistake. thank you for saying this. all foids do with freedom is abuse it

>>81499047
>These people don't have access to contraceptive.
Now you're getting somewhere.
>So you want to force women to breed by taking away birth control?
Yes.
>The irony you don't realize is that the 1st world men also don't want that.
I don't give a flying fuck what you think because you're pitching a non-sustainable business model. You've still not made an argument; can you at least try to justify why your way of thinking is correct?

>>81499037
Nta but they are actually dropping in Africa. Current rates are like 60% of what it used to be in the 80s and they extrapolate it to be at european/western tier in 2050 so less than 3 decades.
Pair it with the fact that a lot of kids die before they reach 5 years and its not that impressive anymore.

>>81499024
>the world is overpopulated
>No, it isn't.
8 billion people around. It is overpopulated and blatant denial is all you can say about it

>>81499024
>>AI is coming to replace 90% of jobs.
>No, it isn't.
So you live in denial of reality?

>>81499061
You haven't made anything of great importance either, whiteboi. Now get your ass here, I'm gonna smash that prostate like I'm playing Mozart on it.

>>81499072
>have freedom to do x
>do x
>this is somehow abusing your freedom to do x

>>81499024
>North Korea will march south across the DMZ into the geriatric failed state of South Korea and
And find a country that was repopulated by immigrants.
It's amazing how incels predicting birth rate collapse never take immigration into account. It must sound like a nightmare for a racist little chud but it's true, immigrants will save the day

>>81498900
>minority of women
lol
Most women will die childless. Most women won't marry. Drug usage multiplied. Depression multiplied. They're here just to get used as plaything for men

>>81499090
>shartysperg talking
yawn
>>81499096
generally if you ask for your rights on the grounds of being pitied and unfortunate and in order to achieve some kind of egalitarian utopia where everyone has sex once you get those rights you should probably show pity to the unfortunate and deliver on that egalitarian orgy thing. oh and don't say "men will finally discover if they are loved for who they are or just as providers" and then turn out to not love 90% of men.

>>81499013
Foids are so dumb kek

>>81499079
>8 billion people is too much, because... IT IS, OK
That's not an argument.
>>81499097
>And find a country that was repopulated by immigrants.
I'll just grant this - so South Korea has been replaced either way.
>>81499058
>Not every men is an incel like you.
Me + my partner. Where's yours, anon?

>>81498876 (OP)
i am a woman and feminism ruined us. women are happier under a strong arm of a man.

>>81499073
>you're pitching a non-sustainable business model.
Your "business model" of forcing men and women to have kids is also unsustainable. It's impractical, impossible to implement in reality. You're asking nations to drop several levels of development and retreat back into the same level of social development as poverty ridden shitholes in africa and middle east, all so that you could dream of forcing a woman to be with you. It's just a fanciful delusion by a sexually frustrated young man. It reads like it came from Eliot Rodgers manifesto.

>>81498876 (OP)
It doesn't matter what you say. Women earn to self destruct and they won't give up on having their hedonist lifestyle
Just let them die out

>>81499117
>8 billion people is too much, because
Resource scarcity, pollution, poverty

>>81499111
>generally if you ask for your rights on the grounds of being pitied and unfortunate and in order to achieve some kind of egalitarian utopia where everyone has sex
quote ANY feminist that says this

>>81498900
Who said anything about being a stay at home pet? Besides, almost every woman I've met would prefer it over a 9-5 wageslave life.
>>81498974
We can't have equality, just look at the matriarchy we have been living under for the past few decades. Men's rights are non-existent and women are thriving. Is this fair?

>>81499120
You don't need to force men and women to have kids, you just need to tie in the act of fucking to the act of conceiving, as it was for the entirety of history.
>You're asking nations to drop several levels of development
I'm not asking for anything. This will happen, you cannot possibly look at your population metrics and think "this will last forever!", right? Unless you're fucking stupid, you must be able to extrapolate what a below-replacement birth rate means.

>>81499117
>so South Korea has been replaced either way.
Get ready for your incel ass to be replaced. The elimination of your genes from the pool will be of great benefit to society overall. I wish you could at least taste a woman before dying in obscurity but you don't deserve that. You deserve loneliness

>>81499126
An inverted population pyramid would exacerbate all three of these issues exponentially.

>>81499120
>Social development
Holy shit, there's no way to talk with women about serious issues. They don't understand the basics of logic
Social development itself is heavily questioned and debated. Africa and middle east aren't less socially developed, they're another fucking social system
"Social development" isn't a lineal progression. Just look at Weimar

>>81499127
suffragettes said the first, socialists said the second. they said we'd live in an egalitarian paradise you fuck

Idk how it could ever have taken so long but it seems r9k has been taken over by /adv/cels, the most disgusting creatures on this site.

>>81498876 (OP)
>Save us from ourselves.
I could go into yet another lengthy rant laced with schadenfreude, but I'm going to keep it short.

It's not going to happen.

Men did not evolve to protect females from the influence of other females. Your genetically hardwired misandry, your in-group preference will always triumph which is why you listened to mental inpatients over your men in the first place. You defeated your men, crushed their spirit forever and the society that they built which offered YOU laws and protection will simply wither away. You will become prey to anyone with a knife in their hand, because let's be honest, that's just the way you like it. It just wasn't meant to be.

>>81499117
>has a girlfriend
>spends his Sunday arguing against female suffrage in the incel board
A prime example of an overcompensating incel.
Your need to prove that you're better off, to a bunch of anonymous dudes, is desperation and loneliness manifest

>>81499097
Nta but immigration would be fine if the west knew how to control the quality of immigrants coming in.
This was fine in the past but has been absolutely ruined by liberal governments, and current conservative governments are going full retard in the other direction. Why do you insist on ruining your countries with Muslims and the worst of other places when you can simply keep standards high?
I'm an immigrant for the record, but most pro immigration types seem to think that having a completely different upbringing and values arent a problem when it comes to immigrants and it absolutely is.
Immigration in the past was focused on finding candidates that would be able to assimilate. Immigration today seems fine with importing people with totally different values who can barely speak English because "we shouldn't judge them!" Due to them belonging to a group you shouldn't criticize (Muslims for example, gasp)

>>81499120
Congratulations anon, idk if you're a woman or not, if you're a shitposter or not but this post made me give up on women's salvation
How can someone be so dumb yet think they're right? Literally nothing you said is correct

>>81499155
>>81499135
>incel incel incel
Not an argument.

>>81499132
>Unless you're fucking stupid, you must be able to extrapolate what a below-replacement birth rate means.
That's like saying the water in my kettle I turned on 3 minutes ago will reach the Sun's temperature by tomorrow. No, it won't. Society generally changes itself and evolves, the vector changes every second, it's never a straight line.

>>81499140
>Social development itself is heavily questioned and debated
By incels like you.
You're asking rich countries to roll back the carpet and be just like the marvelous nations of africa and middle east. Your "business model" is a delusion fantasy that's completely impractical. Not gonna happen, mate. You better get used to female freedom and birth control over the counter. These things are here to stay

>>81499168
>Here's a picture of me being hot at the beach with my girlfriend
That's an argument to show that you are, indeed, an overcompensating incel

>>81499178
This, why he gotta show his sexy bod huh, I bet he is super handsome too. Being so mean while lookin so buff

>>81499171
It's disputed by everyone that has brains. Rome got destroyed because it went to far in the "social development", Weimar the same and many more. Stepping back isn't necessary a bad thing
You assume "old = bad" because you're a fucking retard. And like I said, africa and the middle east are a different system, not a backwards version of our system. Not matter how much backwards we roll it won't be like them
You said that infinite growth isn't possible yet think that infinite "social development" is. You're contradicting yourself, FUCKING RETARD

>>81499162
>Why do you insist on ruining your countries with Muslims
Muslims who are fleeing from their oppressive shitholes precisely to escape their dystopias (incel paradise)?
Let us take all the gay muslim men and women, and leave the muslim straight men outside, I agree with you on that

>>81499170
>The only way to extrapolate is through a linear coefficient
Leave the research methodology to people who understand it, like me, but also like the UN and South Korean government, who have come to the same conclusion I have.

You are only mad because you cannot get laid. You, along with the rest of /r9k/, wouldn't be like this if you did. Accept your failure and SEETHE

>>81499181
nigga that's his cousin at best.
>Trying to prove to a bunch of anonymous people that you are actually hot and a misogynist on the incel board
Desperate need for attention

>>81499205
>You're an incel!
>"Actually, I'm not"
>You're attention-seeking!

>>81499190
>Rome got destroyed because it went to far in the "social development",
/pol/ tier level of argumentation. Literally historically ignorant.
The empire wasn't destroyed as it would live another 1000 years in the eastern half, and leave many children in the western half which would keep thriving and eventually become superpowers.
The empire fell because their business model of slavery and constant expansionist warfare was unsustainable. It had nothing to do with social development. You are seeing history through the distorted lenses of a frustrated virgin.

>>81498900
>minority
Women hate their job, hate being a whore(yet don't stop) and etc
Without male guidance women only hurt themselves and do what only want they want, like a kid

>>81499205
>>81499199
>>81499178
>>81499135
>>81499155
do any of you have gfs?

>>81499214
>Look at me, I'm hot and have a girlfriend!
>Sunday morning arguing for incel talking points on /r9k/
You deserve ridicule

>>81499205
I know but it's funny to say.

>>81498876 (OP)
If my wife/or gf wants to wear a bikini I'm gonna wear a Speedo next to her. Just do the old dad trick of embarrassing them.

Not happening, Elliot. You should have asked that bitch out that smiled at you that one time.

>>81499226
Notice how, unlike you, I only disclose that I have a bf when asked.

>>81499224
this, as a woman giving us independence is disastrous. we need a man to follow.

>>81499231
>implying I don't want my boyfriend to do that
Lol.

>>81499222
Are you retarded? An empire falling doesn't mean it's genetic code stop existing
There's people out there with Genghis Khan genes yet his empire fell slightly after he died
Following your logic no empire ever fell because their descendants still live today

>>81499229
I'm arguing for natalism and against egalitarianism on a platform that won't instantly ban me for doing so. Ideally, I'd like to move the discourse beyond "You're an incel!", to see if any of you have an actual reason to believe the stupid shit you're espousing. So far, it seems you don't.

>>81499231
>Speedo
Mankini

>>81499245
>Trying to prove that you're hot and have a girlfriend on the incel board
Desperate for attention

>>81499236
but your only line of reasoning is "you're an incel"

>>81499245
>continues to prove he is an incel

>>81499242
The empire didn't fell for the reasons you espoused. You only think old = good because it means more power over women to you. I'd say we step back even further and return to a time where you would be a slave. Now that's a good amount of regression right there. How do you like it?

Where's that pic of many women crying about casual sex and that they don't feel loved yet they won't stop doing it anyway?

That represents women well. They do things that are bad for them, cry about it and keep doing it anyway. They're grow children that needs to be reined either by their father or by their husband

>>81499263
>I'd say we step back even further and return to a time where you would be a slave. Now that's a good amount of regression right there. How do you like it?
This. Suffrage should be revoked for both men and women, and slavery should be reinstated, but perhaps limited.

>>81499259
No, my reasoning have been fully explained thoroughly, but fell on death ears
>Reduced birthrates are due to late stage capitalism, working class exploitation, increasing inflation, none of which have anything to do with female suffrage
>Immigrants can solve the issue easily
>Lower population is the future of the earth, as we have never had to deal with 8 billion people for the entirety of our history until now
> Taking away freedom and birth controls is impossible to implement and won't be backed up by the majority of men who are not interested in being fathers
> Wanting to go back to the level of Africa and middle east shows how twisted your priorities are: you would sacrifice anything for power over women
> Society will adapt to the birth rate crisis before it adapts to your hatred for women
But the only thing you hear is the "incel" epithet because it stings your heart like a piercing needle

>>81499295
>Taking away freedom and birth controls is impossible to implement
It happened overnight in Afghanistan.
>Immigrants can solve the issue easily
But those immigrants come from countries that espouse my ideology; this is a tacit admission that you're wrong.
>the population is too much!
Not an argument.

>>81499162
Gatekeeping immigrants? Great. But be honest, you want to gatekeep them based on racism more than anything.
Culture is not an impediment specially when immigrants are running away from their culture.
We just got to import immigrant women and gays and turn away any straight men from muslim countries

>>81499295
>fully explained thoroughly
>death ears
Fucking hell...

>>81499318
>pic
Why are you projecting so much?

>>81499307
>overnight
You are ignorant of Afghanistan history.
What happened to the women of kabul is that the Taliban forced them to go back to living like their mothers and every girl in the countryside's rural areas.
You're asking western women to go back to living like women from a 100 years ago. The cultural gap between the two are abyssal compared to Afghanistan women.

>>81499328
Alright, Socrates, calm down.

>>81499307
>But those immigrants come from countries that espouse my ideology
Those immigrants are running away from your ideology, not towards it. Do you know how many of them are gay and women fleeing from their oppressive patriarchal shitholes?

>>81499307
>8 billion people is not too much
Right we need more soldiers to die for israel. Can't let these numbers sink too low

Daily reminder that you can't be a real woman hater unless you wholeheartedly support feminism which guarantees the worst possible outcome for women. If your pride is stronger than your hatred, then you're not in it for real.

>>81499329
>You are ignorant of Afghanistan history.
Nah, I've spent over a year in Afghanistan in total, including Kabul. It was very Westernized, and that ethos was removed overnight when we left.
>Taliban forced them to go back to living like their mothers and every girl in the countryside's rural areas.
Yup, and it's gonna happen in the West, it's inevitable. Do you not realize that if you're importing your working-aged population from nations like Afghanistan, they're eventually going to implement their culture? Do you actually think your culture is going to outlast theirs? You don't a have a vector for it, it's not sustainable. All you can hope for is that the men you import will believe your nonsense - they don't. The countries with high birth rates that you are advocating to prop up your own population are all conservative, natalist, anti-feminist.

>>81499329
>You're asking western women to go back to living like women from a 100 years ago
Russia went for 70 years socialism (where it was illegal to hire worker as private individual) to capitalism overnight. Just because socialism collapsed and couldn't sustain anymore.
70 years of social development reversed literally in one day with Yeltsin signing single "Entrepreneurship Law"

Feminism is clearly demographically insutainable so it collapse in now certainty, it's not a question of "if" it is question of "when".

>>81499339
>Do you know how many of them are gay and women
The vast majority are male. Even if I granted they were all gay, they're not going to reproduce, and the can is simply kicked further down the road.

You have not made one argument to demonstrate the sustainability of your ideology. It shouldn't be difficult. Now we're going down the road of "it's not sustainable, and That's A Good Thing!".

>>81499362
>It's gonna happen in the west
Sounds like your wet dream more than reality. Society collapsing and somehow incels like you getting back the power over women like the middle east. You should have stayed there where this is the reality, because that simply won't happen in the west. These are just your dreams. You talk so much about weimar, but I'd like you to remember what happened to fascists after the war. Losers then. Losers now.
What came after those 6 nightmarish years were decades of more freedom for minorities than you could ever hope for

>>81499362
>importing your working-aged population from nations like Afghanistan, they're eventually going to implement their culture?
Not when their girls and boys taste the glorious freedom of the west. Then they will assimilate, as research shows them doing it already. Youth leaving islam en masse.
You can't fight the tides of time. You can try, though.

>>81499339
>Those immigrants are running away from your ideology,
They are running from poverty.
You don't see masses running from Saudi Arabia, or Dubai it exactly opposite they have masses of work immigrants. (There are political refuges here and there from oil states but they are vastly outnumbered by labor immigration into oil states).

>>81499421
>it wont happen in the west, we'll last forever!
I'll give you one last chance to explain how think this is possible. So far, your argument is literally "we can't sustain our population, but we can import people who think like you do, and that will somehow keep the status quo in place" - that's fucking stupid. You must realize it's dumb, or else you are fucking stupid. Try and make an argument for how we sustain this.
>You talk so much about weimar
Never mentioned it.
>more freedom for minorities than you could ever hope for
No idea what you're on about; get back on track.

>>81499362
>The countries with high birth rates that you are advocating to prop up your own population are all conservative, natalist, anti-feminist
And unsurprisingly poor, and their citizens fleeing their homeland like it's the plague. They're fleeing from men like you

>>81499421
>somehow incels like you getting back the power over women like the middle east
Incels won't: they're too scared to even ask a girl out. They seriously expect to return to traditional values, but want women to approach them which is not traditional at all!

>>81498900
You are indoctrinated. I pity you.

>serving my husband who loves me
:(
>serving my boss who doesn't care about me
:)

>>81499421
>Sounds like your wet dream more than reality.
Society collapsing under flood of 3rd wolders is a tragedy not wet dream.
Society that would emerge form that would no beauty, intiligence and prosperity.

>>81499449
Again, I'll just grant this, it has no bearing on the argument: My ideology is sustainable, yours isn't.

>>81498949
Feminism is shaming femininity, maternity, and demanding women be corporate wage slaves

>>81499385
>socialism
You mean "socialism", aka capitalism disguised by populism.
You want to see this collapse happen to our freedom, but it's not just 70 years of development, it's 2 thousand.
The men you think will stand by your side, will die defending birth control pills. They're not incels like you, starved of sex. To them, the idea that they won't be able to sex someone without pregnancy, in a world with dna tests, is a nightmare. Men will be the most austere defenders of birth control

>>81499463
>who loves me
If he loved her, he wouldn't see her as property or a pet, he would give her freedom.
You don't love women at all. You want to rule over them. You want to own them. That's not love. You only love yourself

>>81498949
>t. feminist that cries her eyes out when a woman choose to be submissive and pure for her husband

>>81498974
Men and women are fundamentally different. There is no equality between birds and fish.
If you try to force equality, the birds drown and the fish suffocate.

>>81499484
A completely misguided take by a man indoctrinated by hate.
Feminism is women's freedom to choose and forge her own path, even if she wants to be a slave for a man.
You probably can guess why fewer women want to be slaves

>>81499485
>You mean "socialism", aka capitalism disguised by populism.
No it was Marxist socialism that had extensive consequences about how things were done in society, exploitatiton and all that.

>>81499497
>If he loved her, he wouldn't see her as property or a pet, he would give her freedom.
... What?

Should children or indoor pets just be set free? Do people not love their kids because they don't let them play in traffic?

>>81499516
>Comparing women to animals of a different species
Misogyny calling

>>81498876 (OP)
If you think bonnie blue is a feminisms then you're so wrong and haven't read a single book in your life. Liberal feminism is not a feminism and never will be you stupid cunt.

>>81499497
>love is what I see in fairy tales and movies
Fucking retard. I will even use your dumb comparison. I've had a pet and he died in 2023, I loved him and it was the most that I cried in my life. Just because he was my pet I couldn't love him?
Destroy someone's house that they spent 30 years paying for, they'll want to kill you. They didn't love their property?

>>81499481
>My ideology is sustainable
It isn't, really. These countries you vouched for are plagued by poverty and warfare. That's not sustainable at all

>>81499519
Only one little problem.
That path is demographically insutainable.
You need to choose another path, or that path would choose your itself (it would be more painful).
There is no other way.

>>81499519
>Feminism is women's freedom to choose and forge her own path, even if she wants to be a slave for a man.
That's not the opinion of influential feminist thinkers like Simone de Beauvoir.

You are not an influential feminist thinker. Also, POSIWID.

>>81499540
>Poverty and warfare aren't sustainable
5000 years of written history disagree with you.

>>81499465
I'll take the flood of 3rd worlders a thousand times before being forced to be married to someone like you
Your version of "beauty and prosperity" is a nightmare for others.

>>81498876 (OP)
this just proves how depraved men are, bonnie blue wouldn't be as relevant if it weren't for the thousands of men lining up to do things to her

>>81499540
>It isn't, really.
Afghanistan has been around since before Leif Erikson reached the US. You're a fucking moron, read a book.

>>81499438
>poverty
Which is directly correlated to your natalist ideology, and the conservatism that comes with it. It's one and the same: lack of development in all grounds: socially and economically

>>81499557
And these 3rd wolders would marry your 9 years old daughter regardless of her wants.
(Just kidding you wouldn't have a daughter).

>>81499563
>Second highest rate of HIV in the middle east
>Only losing to Iran
Not sustainable at all. Who would have thought that sweeping the country's problems under the rug of traditional morality only makes them worse

>>81499571
NTA. Who cares - poverty is sustainable, feminism isn't.

>>81499497
Men's love is protection. Protection begets control.
>no, you won't go out with those clothes
>no, you won't go to this rave/party filled with drunk men
If you think that's controlling and not protective then I don't know what to say

>>81499583
These 3d worlders are fleeing from their oppressive patriarchal shitholes that share every ideology with you. Many of them are women and queers fleeing from persecution. They will embrace western values

>>81499571
>lack of development in all grounds: socially and economically
But sustainable demographically.
While feminism is not.
Just one "little" problem.

I want to see women completely destroyed for their monstrous betrayal.

I'm perfectly aware that it's not a likely outcome while white men keep things going and keep "protecting them from themselves" which is why I'm delighted at the idea of a possible war and ethnic replacement in the near future because white males are the only demographic that always end up "making things right" for them.

I want women to live a prolonged old age, surrounded by brown knifemen, I want them to feel
>hopelessness
No possibility of reverting, no patriarchal revivals, no one to reach out for.
>helplessness
Not the sweet rape-y kind, but the feeling of coming home unharmed from their job at the age of 60 being decided by a coin flip. I want them to live very long after their looks faded and they are no longer seen as a figure of lust, but an easy mark for a robbery for some middle eastern monkey.
>frustration
All their biological urges suppressed through chemicals, their existence reduced to that of a worker drone. I want them to feel it every day, I want them to be conditioned to feel the dreadful reality of their future every time they hear their alarm clock go off.

That is what I want. A swift death is an brave man's reward, that is what we deserve, rest. What they deserve is an existence of protracted torment that they can't even end on their own terms because their biologically wired solipsism prevents them from taking the easy way out.

FUCK YOU

>>81499585
>poverty is sustainable
Poverty is the opposite of sustainable. We don't need more babies to die in your wars, Ahmed

>>81498876 (OP)
during "patriarchy" every city had thousands of prostitutes including children, retards

>>81499594
They don't mind ideology
>>81499438
There are masses entering these countries for work with completely different ideologies (both Western expats specialists and Indian voluntary slaves).

It's incredible how women can't talk about trad lifestyle without bringing african and middle eastern countries
What part of different culture you don't understand? Even the west 200 years ago were completely different than those countries. Just because both control women doesn't mean it's the same thing

Women forever will suffer if that's the limit of their intellect

>>81499584
>they have some HIV, therefore the 3,000 years they've existed for doesn't count
>this will somehow be the thing that wipes out the Afghan tribes
>HIV is even an issue in the first place
It's 2025, little buddy. I can write you a prescription for HAART that will tank your viral load so significantly that you can fuck your boyfriend in the ass and not give him HIV, and your life expectancy would be the same as anyone else.

>>81499595
Feminism is not the reason for low birth rates, and besides there are other ways to keep the demographics of a nation.
the overall decrease in world population is a good thing, we didnt need 8 billion people 50, 100 or a thousand years ago. We never did.

>>81499609
Now pump up those numbers to hundreds of thousands. Your point?

>>81499003
>the world is overpopulated
No it isn't.
You've never heard of the Club of Rome, yet you repeat their lies.
Orwell was right about women.

>>81499588
>Control is love
Up is down. Incels are capable of loving in your upside down mental world, but not in reality.

>>81499621
>Feminism is not the reason for low birth rates
Do you not think women in the workplace, contraception, family planning, abortion, etc, have any impact on birth rates?

Really?

>>81499525
If you keep your child locked up after he becomes an adult, with the same limitations and constraints, that's definitely not love, it's abuse.
>Compares women to children and pets
Misogyny call

>>81499650
>Compares women to children and pets
Yes.
>Misogyny
Not an argument.

>>81499646
Contraception is not feminism. You wouldn't know, being an incel and everything, how many men would pray for contraceptives if you took them away

>>81499621
>Feminism is not the reason for low birth rates,
It is. Greatest correlation with birthrates have women rights and women education (direct byproduct of women's rights).

>besides there are other ways to keep the demographics of a nation.
Newsflash: there isn't now.

>the overall decrease in world population is a good thing, we didnt need 8 billion people 50, 100 or a thousand years ago. We never did.
See demographics destiny doesn't care. If you country has 1 milions military age men, and another country sends 10 military age men as direct invasion or "undocumented" immigrants your country would lose and stop existing. Numbers win. Is that bad or good? It's just how numbers are. Big numbers will win simple as that.

>>81499639
Control is love
Would you let another man fuck your woman? If not, then you control her to some degree
>*insert cope here*

>>81499654
>Views women as lesser beings
>Claims this isn't an argument
Not an argument

>>81499638
>the world is overpopulated
>No it isn't
>More people alive today than in the entire history of mankind
Denial is the tool of the incel when faced with truth

>>81499655
Access to contraception is one of the fundamental points of feminism.

Go take a picture of yourself with your partner. Until you do, we all have to operate off the premise that you're the incel.

>>81499658
>your woman
There's no "your woman", as women are human beings and therefore cannot be owned by someone.

>>81499655
>Contraception is not feminism
They why did feminists cry so much when Roe v. Wade was overturned?
Didn't see conservatives be unhappy about it.

>>81499662
>Views women as lesser beings
Women can't enforce their rights, and thus should not be allowed to vote on them. The same applies to aggressive foreign policy and defensive domestic policy.

>>81499620
>some HIV
1 in every 5 people having hiv is way more than just "some". It's not a sustainable society, nor it is prosperous or worthy of being made an example. The fact that you share their ideology shows just how bad you are

>>81499676
>Roe v. Wade
That's abortion. You don't even know the difference between abortion and contraceptive. You know who cried hardest about roe vs Wade? Married men who cheat

>>81499673
So, would you let another man fuck your girlfriend/wife?

>>81499013
check what countries are responsible from increasing the human population and check what people think about feminism in those countries

>>81499097
So basically you are implying that people will depend on immigrant repopulation forever, even though most countries including those in Africa are experiencing decline in the birthrates? This isn't sustainable in the long-term

>>81499680
>Only the strong should be allowed to vote
You wouldn't stand a chance in this society

>>81499463
>you either serve this guy or this guy!
false dichotomy

>>81499682
100% of the population could have HIV and it would have no impact, it's a non-issue. Again, it's 2025; I don't expect you to weigh in on GUM, but don't embarrass yourself trying to argue with me about it.

>>81499670
Access to contraception is health care. You have no idea how many men would beg for them if you took them away. It doesn't matter for a virgin like you though.

>>81499680
Why are you arguing with women when their moral compass exists in the binarity of female and male? They don't give a shit about what's right or wrong, their dogshit ideology isn't built to come to a conclusion either, it's just meant to keep you under attack with rolling accusations.

>>81499657
>there isn't now.
Yes there is. Immigration. I'll have my nation looking like brazil 2.0 before I hand it over to incels like you

Abortion is a human right, by the way. No human being is entitled to the body of another.

>>81499708
No, it isn't health neither it's human rights. I don't think it should be forbidden, but you retards should stop using those terms incorrectly
At this rate even egocentric surgery(like nose, mouth, butt and etc.) will be considered health care

>>81499689
>That's abortion.
And what is abortion?
Murder?
>feminists bee like noooooo! It's just contraception!
Checkmate, sweety.

>>81499703
The countries struggling with HIV don't even have basic health care, they don't have access to dolutegravir, my dude. It's a major health crisis. It doesn't impact them that much because their life expectancy is low as shit.
And they're your role model lmao

>>81499699
I'm significantly stronger than average. I mean top 0.1% freak-tier shit; I OHP more than most men can squat.

Even if that were to change, I'd relinquish my vote when the time comes.

>>81499732
>>81499732
who said anything about physical strength

>>81499726
Contraception is stopping the conception from taking place, you absolute buffoon who dares have an opinion on topics you know nothing about

>>81499714
>Yes there is. Immigration
Today it's not the way to sustain a nation.
There is no demographical recource to tap in to sustain YOUR nation.
You can tap into other nations recources and these would extinct your nation no less.

>>81499732
>significantly stronger
Not enough to find a girlfriend. You are weak in the head, the worst of all weaknesses

>>81499718
Don't complain about male violence then since you support children homicide
>le bunch of cells
When a zygote is formed, life already started. That's just basic biology and if you disagree you're objectively incorrect

>>81499742
So it's murder then.
It's either happens before creation of human being or after.
Your choice.

>>81499748
>it's not the way to sustain a nation
Yes it is. Who said so? The incel modeling his dream nation over the HIV fest that is Afghanistan?
If you think it's a bad idea, it's probably one more reason why it's a good idea

>>81499730
I'd take a life expectancy of 62 with a society that can replenish itself over a life expectancy of 85 with a society that must be replaced with people from the other society.

The reason I'd accept this is only one of these can continue to exist; the other is a farce.

>>81499756
Life started long before the zygote. It's an unbroken chain from the first living organism. The sperm and the egg are also part of that chain even before the conception.
The rights of the already born supersede the rights of the unborn. Bodily autonomy is sacred.

>>81499756
>abortions being okay somehow means violence is okay
Why are rightoids this obsessed with the lives of unborn fetuses?

>HIV bad
>promiscuity good
Women aren't rational

>>81499775
>The rights of the already born supersede the rights of the unborn. Bodily autonomy is sacred.
Why?

>>81499764
Don't forget their medieval infant mortality rate

>>81499760
>Yes it is. Who said so?
History.
Glaring example is Roman empire fall. When they're granted Roman citizenship to 10 times more numbers of barbarians then their actual Romans and Rome just fell appart into bunch of barbarian kingdoms.

>>81499764
I'll take replenishing society with immigrants over giving up my rights to men like you.
And it seems like it's gonna be my way over yours.

>>81499739
What metric would you use?
>>81499753
There's a photo of me and my gf in this thread. You need to come up with another line of argument, anon.

>>81499788
That's part of our Hippocratic oath. The person who already saw the light is more valuable than the person who isn't even born yet. The unborn won't fear death nor miss life like the already born. Doctors prioritize the life of the mothers always

>>81499782
I'm not right wing. It's just basic logic. You want to kill children then don't complain when women get killed
>muh rights
Don't have sex, simple as that. You know the answer, but you're a psycho that puts pleasure above a life and such people don't have any value

>>81499796
>I'll just import them from Afghanistan!
That would require you to concede the argument.

There's a reason incels are ridiculed and bullied in any normal human gathering, and this thread only proves how valid this reason is.

>>81499804
>still clinging to the fake picture
Yeah, you're such a chad that you argue incel talking points on the incel board for hours straight on a Sunday. Totally not an incel overcompensating.
You are desperate for attention

>>81499807
>our Hippocratic oath
You are not a medical professional - I am.

We do not swear the Oath, you stupid fuck, it forbids surgery - and abortion.

>>81499810
The unborn are not the same as the already born. Specially embryos with less grey matter than some insects

>>81499816
Show incels getting bullied. You must be a mutt that lives in psycho land, because in most places people just ignore or sympathy with them

>>81499819
>noooo it can't possibly be you!!!
Thanks, I guess.

>>81498900
>muh rights
What rights? The right to be a dirty whore?

>>81499814
I'll import the people running away from Afghanistan due to men like you having power over there

>>81499827
It doesn't matter if they're the same or not. You're putting your pleasure above everything
You've an easy solution, not have sex yet you refuse to do it because you're a whore. Simple as that. It all comes down to that

People that get abortion are trash, it doesn't matter if the fetus is more important or not. That also goes for men too. A man that says for his woman to get an abortion is scum

>>81499836
I accept your concession, thank you for the discussion.

>>81499829
>Me and my gf are so hot I rely on anonymous incels to feed my ego
Desperation and loneliness personified

>>81499831
Better being a gutter whore than being married to a man like you

>>81499847
>having sex for pleasure is LE BAD!!!
okay buddy we heard you

>>81499857
You already is a gutter whore. It won't change anything

>>81499847
Incels like you are scum, actually. People who get abortions are based. Better to abort than to bring an unwanted child into this world

>>81499796
You know that they would basically bring their culture with them. So basically your conundrum is
> have kids, don't be insufferable and still have your rights
> don't have kids, be insufferable and lose your rights by creating an unsustainable system
> don't have kids, be insufferable, try to save your country with immigration and still lose your rights later, because now they will be the majority
lmao

>>81499861
And you're already an incel. Women would rather die than be with you, for a good reason

>>81499859
Yes, killing your children is bad. Such statement being controversial shows that humans are trash, and so are you
Here's a last (You), scum

>>81499871
>they would basically bring their culture
>That they're desperately running away from
Research shows that immigrants assimilate. It's the glorious taste of western freedom

>>81498900
>this minority of women does bad stuff
Just because only a minority of women record it doesn't mean that not all women sleep around.

>>81499873
I'm an incel? I'll die alone? The answer to those questions don't matter. They won't change what you are

>>81499874
The unborn are not the same as fully born children. Living through unwanted pregnancies is bad for all involved

>ctrl + f 'incel'
>44 results
Do you guys not have another line of reasoning? If your only argument is adhom, maybe your position sucks?

>>81499111
giving everyone rights doesn't mean you get to fuck everyone. How would you feel if some man was trying to make an argument just fuck your daughter because she want's equal rights for everyone?

That shit is disgusting, and literally what you're doing. Aren't you chuds conservatives? Funny how that shit goes out the window, just move to some backwards muslim country or some tribe in Africa and rape everyone like you want to. You motherfuckers don't have American values

>>81499884
The answer to those questions is yes. And it's your fault.
I'd rather be a prostitute selling my body for the homeless than be forced to be by your side for one moment. And all women agree, you are trash. You deserve nothing you get nothing

>>81499887
This doesn't explain why killing them is morally justified.

it's funny how incels bury themselves deeper into their delusions instead of actually trying to prove them. like they get told "women bad" or something, and they just believe that, then stay in a circlejerk like r9k where everyone says "women bad"

>>81499893
Prostitutes are above you, actually. At least they exchange their body for something, meanwhile you get used for free

>>81499880
Who said that they are running from culture? They are running from poverty and the USA bombing the hell out of them. They still hold the same values.
>Research shows that immigrants assimilate.
I only found this
https://phys.org/news/2024-10-intergeneration-immigrants-assimilate-century.html
and "assimilate better" isn't the same as "assimilate".

>>81499898
Killing the unborn is morally justified because bodily autonomy supersede their right to live. They are parasitic over someone else's body. Only when they are born and have a body of their own, that's when they're blessed with the sacred body autonomy that protects their lives

>>81499908
I would take my own life if I was forced to be with you. You are loathsome

>>81499914
>Who said that they are running from culture?
>Women and queers risking everything for a chance to live in the west
We just need to gatekeep the straight men

>>81499918
>bodily autonomy supersede their right to live.
Why? That's just your opinion.

The pregnant woman, unless she was raped, would also be responsible for the condition and location of the fetus. To then kill them would be like forcing someone to attack you and claiming it was "self-defense" when you killed them.

>sacred body autonomy
Lol.

>>81499918
If the body autonomy is sacred, it comes from God. God told people that life begins at conception and that abortion is a sin.

I'm not dogpiling you btw, you're just really bad at arguing.

>>81499923
I wish we had an arranged marriage then

>>81499923
>I would take my own life if I was forced to be with you.
Everyone wins.

>>81499930
Women and queers are a minority of the vast majority of work aged MEN who are refugees. Holy shit you are beyond retarded

>>81499934
>That's just your opinion.
Everything you have said so far is just your opinion.
Our body is a sacred temple and we get to decide if a little parasite can grow at our expense. Not you.

>>81499939
What god are you talking about again? Yours or mine? I'm definitely not talking about yours, that's for sure.

>>81499947
>work aged straight MEN who are refugees
And it's right back to the ocean with these ones. Only women and queers allowed inside, we definitely don't want more incels in.

>>81499962
>Only women and queers allowed inside, we definitely don't want more incels in.
And this would solve the low birth-rates somehow?

>>81499956
I don't worship a God, I'm talking about your God.
You know, the one that is against abortion. The being whose possible existence makes you a hypocrite.

>>81499857
Answer the question though. Which rights are you talking about? Men and women have the same rights given to them by the law.
Is there something I'm missing? It just feels like when women talk about their "rights" they just mean they don't want to be accountable for being bad people.

>>81499950
>Everything you have said so far is just your opinion.
I used a syllogism, which is formal logic. It might well be that you're too stupid to understand a syllogism or use logic, in which case I offer my sincere condolences.

Maybe try reading what I wrote again.

>Our body is a sacred temple
Ok, life is sacred. What now?

>>81498876 (OP)
the right is feminism according to gay guys and trannies.

>>81499950
>>81499918
>Abortion is right because the god of feminism said so!
Yikes.

Seriously - is this all you have? Inkwell + god said so?

Fucking hell, this is embarrassing.

>>81499969
Yes, the women would be surrogates for gay couples

>>81499973
My god encourages abortion, she even made a series of natural abortive herbs you can make tea with

you know you can be a wholesome tradwife and have a career

>>81499992
>abortion is wrong because the god of patriarchy said so
The same god that told you to chop off the tip of your penis by the way

>>81499981
>life is sacred
Life is only sacred if the bodily autonomy is respected. Forcing another human to give birth is a sacrilege

>>81500025
>the women would be surrogates for gay couples
Which represents a very small percentage, ranging from 1-10% of the population?
yeah you are either dumb or baiting

>>81500048
I'm not invoking god for my argument.

>>81499891
>giving everyone rights doesn't mean you get to fuck everyone.
well i'm glad that "leftists" (actually liberals and marxists trying to restore aristocracy) just straight up lied when they said there was going to be an egalitarian paradise where there would be no conflict. there's no conflict because you get arrested and beaten for questioning liberal values!!!
>How would you feel if some man was trying to make an argument just fuck your daughter because she want's equal rights for everyone?
sounds good to me
>Aren't you chuds conservatives? Funny how that shit goes out the window, just move to some backwards muslim country or some tribe in Africa and rape everyone like you want to.
i'm not a conservative, but i do have islamist leanings. and of course the liberal is secretly a massive racist.

>>81499658
It's just like a kid, you control her and don't let her do things that would hurt herself. Control is good for both sides, the woman that wants to be lead and the man that wants to lead. The problem is when the man want to control to feel powerful, not to protect her

being a sahm would drive me to suicide because im constantly alone with my thoughts and customers at work make my day
>but you get a baby screeching in your ear!
id send them to the orphanage out of annoyance, proof i should not reproduce

>>81498876 (OP)
After giving it a careful analysis and deep pondering for a long while now, I've come to the conclusion, that for multiple 100% selfish reasons, like video games i.e., I don't give a single shit, man. So, you'll have to go and save whomever or whatever without me. Good luck.

>>81500285
>I'm mentally ill so I shouldn't have kids!
Correct, but also sad and not something I'd want for society in general.

>>81499891
>giving everyone rights doesn't mean you get to fuck everyone.
I think guy has a point. If men saw were it would lead when feminism established it's roots they would never granted women rights.
I am pretty sure zoomer mrn would like to revoke women's right if they could. This conflict ain't gonna end pretty.

>>81499880
What country had immigrants majority assimilated in this country?

>>81498876 (OP)
Where the fuck are her tits?

>>81499529
>can't refute the point

>>81498876 (OP)
>SHE ISN'T FEMINIST
>*does the same things that feminists do but is famous*
Women don't like that whores get famous because it shows how they truly are, they need the constant gaslight to fool simps

>>81499851
Nta but his life is clearly better than yours and you are lashing out and coping

>>81499977
Based digits and veritable wisdom

>>81499003
>AI is coming to replace 90% of jobs.
people don't actually believe this shit do they?

>>81501250
it already does, ha ha

>>81498876 (OP)
Feminism is a shit test. Women that fall for the propaganda will end their blood line, leaving a population of more docile women for men to marry.

>>81498876 (OP)

the one on the right is a tranny, do not be fooled.

>>81501414
More or less. It's going to cost a lot but a mass culling of undesirable matrilines never happened before in the history of mankind. It's worth any price. Most people can't even understand how much it will improve the mental health of future generations.

>>81498876 (OP)
These retards really believe, with all their hearts, that whores didn't exist in the past and that women have no free will and their current decisions are the result of actual "jewish brainwashing" whatever tf that means.
They believe that all their problems are someone else's fault, that it's intended, and that it's to specifically spite them.
There's no point in arguing anything with these retards. Their entire worldview is made out of cope and resentment.

>>81501940
That's true, women nowadays are just being themselves. Not just by being whores, but being honest in general. The jewish brainwashing is another christcuck simp talking point. If anything women and jews are on the same team.

>>81498876 (OP)
Women don't actually want to be saved. They can all burn for all I care.

>>81501414
>>81501874
Kek, women willingly sacrificing themselves on the altar of feminism really proves how much of a detrimental genetic load they're harboring. There is no male equivalent since the dawn of time. The world is healing.

>>81500287
that was a good game, they literally do not make comfy games like this anymore, I downloaded a phone game I thought was like this and it was coded by some 'jeet with broken english and you had to buy like gems and shit to play the game normally

>>81501972
You're closer to it.
I do believe they are doing these things because they want to. I don't think there's much of an ideology behind it. I think that most people, not only in this day and age, but across time, mostly follow their fleeting desires. Even though these ideologies exist, most don't really give a fuck about them, they use it as a thin "veil" to hide the fact that they do these things because they want to. Feminism didn't make them want these things at all.

Although I do believe that these ideologies are wrong and shouldn't be the status quo, I also believe that most people don't give a fuck about ideologies at all. It was the shift towards nihilism that allowed these mentalities to fester. They have always existed and always will.
The whole "jewish" thing is complete nonsense. Most jews are conservatives. Unless they are secular, in which case they suffer from the same illness of resentment to whatever the dominant ideas are.

>>81502088
>I don't think there's much of an ideology behind it
You misunderstand me. I'm not talking about ideology or religion, but their system of methods, how their behaviors evolved. Both of those demographics are extractors, not producers. One could say that they are natural allies, women and jews, that is until they both get their share of extracted goods, like two criminal gangs forming a cartel.

>>81501940
>strawmanning
Retard. Women always were whores, but they were more limited before
Also yes, jews helped them be even more whorish by giving them more choices like going to porn, normalizing certain behaviors and etc.

People underestimate how much inducing and influence affects people. If you're slightly thirsty and there's a water bottle 1 meter away from you, you'll drink, but if you are slightly thirsty and the water bottle is 100 meters away you probably will wait until you get more thirsty

>let them be their true selfs
That doesn't work either if you want a functioning society. Society itself is against nature, everyone has restrictions, women thinking they deserve to be freed of said restrictions is a children's tantrum
Men's main method of reproduction through history is rape, but we can't have men raping women around, because it's uncivilized. The same way we can't let whores roam around, because it's uncivilized
That's why any naturalistic reasoning for women to be whores is dumb. Women indeed have restrictions, but so do men, but people question women's restrictions but do not question men's restrictions

>>81502135
>let them be their true selfs
And you accuse me of strawmanning? Are you that fucking retarded? Like actually, you must be fucking stupid. I never said I support it. I don't it's "their true self" either. You read what you wanted to read because you're a retard.
According to every metric, the world is better than it has ever been. Before you start sperging out about muh burthrates, the population overall is still growing, quality of life, in comparison to literally every other period in human history is better. That doesn't mean there aren't anh problem, it makes your alarmism retarded.
It has to do with a loss of meaning and the relevance of meaning itself.

>>81502135
>>let them be their true selfs
It's funny how that's a common argument they use. Like, are you retarded? People being their true self means just eating and sleeping all day round and sometimes hunting when hungry
If society boils down to "just do whatever you" then it'd have stopped existing a long time ago

>>81502180
>According to every metric
Every metric that doesn't matter. What's the point of living twice longer if the women are all whores and you can't build a decent family and buy a house?

>>81498900
If being a housewife is akin to being a slave, then why won't women date NEET men and make them househusbands? Oh yeah, then it would suddenly be "This deadbeat manchild does nothing!!"