Anti-abortion fags make me laugh. They would rather have a child be born into an abusive/unstable/poor family (which usually consists of a single mom) rather than kill a clump of cells with no developed brain that can barely even be considered alive LMFAOOOOO might as well not coom or eat eggs then hahahaha!

>>81499330 (OP)
i am against abortion because i want foids to suffer. there is no other motivation behind it for me. i hope all foids are placed into poverty/ slavery when the revolution comes.

this. i'd rather not have dumb schizo bitches have kids, the kid also be schizo and them suffer cause they momma don't love em.

>>81499414
you don't just want "foids to suffer" if you're outright against abortion.

>>81499330 (OP)
Abortion killed more people than all wars through human history COMBINED

>>81499330 (OP)
I want to maximize both the amount of children born and child mortality. May only one of ten children survive, a superior human resistant to diseases, strong, tall beautiful. Earth's population should not exceed 1 million humans.

>>81499330 (OP)
Sexhavers are a plague and children are a locust. Billions must die.

>>81499330 (OP)
It's so, so fucking easy to not have unprotected sex. The fact that the right to do so without consequences is a serious voting issue for women is proof that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

>>81499330 (OP)
In the end it's just christian morality, other culture have no problems to abort all their daughters away for example

>>81499467
>It's so, so fucking easy to not have unprotected sex.
correct. and we should account for incidents in which "protection" does nothing.

>is proof that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
i however agree with this.

>>81499486
>we should account for incidents in which "protection" does nothing
Sure, and honestly I don't even think abortion should be illegal, but the fact is that something like 80% of abortions are elective. Women are so fucking delusional about abortion and they can't wield their vote responsibly if abortion law actually influences it.

>>81499436
Egg consumption killed more animals than all slaughterhouses through human history COMBINED
>>81499467
>oh no think about le CONSEQUENCES
kek
>they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Wrong. Only people with an IQ of 120 or more should be allowed to vote, regardless of gender, race, all those things chuds seethe about. Religious people should also not be allowed to vote.

>>81499565
>Only people with an IQ of 120 or more should be allowed to vote
Agreed
>regardless of gender, race
retarded, women have demonstrated they can't handle voting responsibly
>Religious people should also not be allowed to vote
heccin upvoted

>>81499565
>>81499613
As if you fags have an IQ above 100

>>81499635
I'm in Mensa, my IQ is roughly 150. Keep coping though

>>81499565
equating animals to humans in an attempt to make a point, sad
a human life holds infinitely more value than an animal's life, let alone a WHITE human's life

>>81499659
What do your mensa friends have to say about your misogyny?
>>81499681
Brown hands typed this

>>81499700
I was saying that a white human life is the most valuable kind of human life

>>81499659
Then why are you hanging out with coping tards?

>>81499722
r9k is unironically a better discussion forum than Mensa
>What do your mensa friends have to say about your misogyny?
They agree with me

>>81499736
Are there any women in your group? What other things do you agree about?

>>81499330 (OP)
Oh look, another bait thread. I'll bite.
Abortion should be the last form of birth control, it shouldn't be the first option. Offer alternatives to abortion like using a condom, a vasectomy, or anal. If you're too poor or too ill to raise a healthy child then use a condom or don't have sex.

>>81499781
>shouldn't be the first option
true

>>81499757
Male IQ (blue)
Female IQ (red)

>>81499797
I've seen this multiple times, Is this actually backed by science or just a meme? genuine question.

>>81499757
>are there any women in your group
Yes, although I was being sort of facetious, Mensans don't agree about everything
>what other things do you agree about
Mensa skews conservative and religious, for some reason. I'm not personally religious but I agree with them politically

>>81499811
When it comes to IQ, race, sexes the topic of scientific research regarding these subjects has became a massive taboo in the academic sphere in the recent few decades
There are some random sampling studies that show this graph with a much smaller gap between the two bell curves and others with a much bigger gap so I assume it is real but the size of the gap is inaccurate and not well researched enough

>>81499811
>>81499830
The reason for this variation in men (fewer normies) is the Y chromosome, which is actively shedding genetic material at rate having people estimate that it will be gone in 4.5 million years.
Let the future know that I am a man. I am a stupid and proud, violent mutant cave ape.

As an antinatalist, I strongly agree. I am not only pro-choice, I am pro-abortion. If someone is unsure about having children, they should absolutely not procreate. Only if a person is completely certain should it even be considered. Not only financially speaking. Besides, undecidedness might be correlated with bad time preferences.

But to be honest, can anyone truly be certain that their child will have a good life? Can you guarantee that your child will not suffer from a severe illness, autism, ADHD, or be born with significant cognitive impairments? If you are intelligent, there is a regression to the mean, so at least you can make a probabilistic guess, that your child will be about as smart as you. But its only a probabilisitc game.

Procreation is a gamble, and gambling with the life of another human being is deeply immoral. It is not a risk you are taking for yourself, but for someone who never consented to exist in the first place.

On top of that, we live in a world full of uncertainty, political instability, and economic stupidity. Bringing a child into this mess is not just naive, it is reckless.

I hate the fact, that most people dont give a second thought about this issue. Even more so people that have a lot of children. They just do it, irrespective of their own circumstances, irrespective of responsibility.
Its never for the sake of the suffering of the to-be-child. Its so short sighted.

Procreation is immoral. I will die on that hill.

>>81500115
Life is good, existence is good, creating more life to appreciate the glory of existence is good, take your life-denying nihilist depression slave philosophy back to India or whatever brown shithole you came from

>>81499330 (OP)
Eggs are haploid, humans are diploid, etc.

>>81500115
You will die on that hill and when you die your ideology will die with you

>>81500115
>gambling with the life of another human being is deeply immoral
Based on what? And compared to what? Gambling vs denying them life?
>Procreation is immoral. I will die on that hill.
Your ideology is unsustainable, so of course you will.

The world would be better off is abortion was outlawed and people had to learn to take responsibility for their actions. Men and women.

>>81499659
Mensa is the most obnoxious group of fucking fart sniffing faggots i have ever had the displeasure of being next to. But what did i expect from a club of people based on their IQ LMAO. Just thinking about them pisses me off. You will not find more cringy narcissists concentrated in one place than in a mensa center. Kill yourself.

>>81500333
>IQlet seething
It seems my superiority has lead to some controversy

>>81499330 (OP)
I was born in an unstable poor family yet my life is wonderful. My friend was literally an accident and his parents contemplated aborting him and now he is a doctor with a beautiful fiancee. Another was abandoned by his family, and left at an orphanage as a newborn, now he's an engineer.
I think your rhetoric is evil and demonic. "if we cannot be certain that this baby will have a perfect life with 0 hardship, we need to KILL IT IMMEDIATELY". How about you kill yourself, you fucking disgusting evil piece of shit? I will always place the lives of the innocent above your freakish mongoloid despotic worldview

>>81500347
I was tested at 147 and was a member. The people there are downright repulsive. Imagine a building full of people whose main hobby is "talking about how smart i am". A building full of people that desperately need to get shoved into a locker.

>>81499330 (OP)
I am against it because it's a living thing. If I find an injured bird I'll take it in to let its wing heal. If I find a spider in my home I'll leave it, or put it outside if it's safe. I would avoid stepping on a bug. I like dogs. I like cats. I want less deforestation in the world, I want ocean pollution to stop so, other than having a cleaner ocean, ocean life stops getting filled with plastics too. And you say I'm irrational because I extend this compassion to human life and make it about misogyny or some political bs when it's anything but. I'm not religious, misogynistic or political. However life is life. And yes it starts at a certain point. Neurons form by 2 months. Any time before that is generally fine. After that, it is plain unethical. And we are drowning out that it's unethical by making it about politics and virtue signalling and women empowerment. It's all so disingenuous. It's bad for women too. They should want to protect the living thing inside them. But like a lot of people these days, they have been brainwashed into thinking they need to kill their own flesh to be free.

>>81500370
Your anecdotal experience doesn't invalidate the very real anecdotal experiences of other people who grew up poor, grew up in poor environments, went to shitty public schooling, and never became a "doctor", an "engineer" or achieved "success"
90 percent of women who have babies with down syndrome get them aborted in the US and UK because they'd rather face the reality that their child is most likely going to not be a doctor or an engineer with a beautiful wife and wonderful life no matter how hard they work their ass off.

>>81500399
Also this living thing being killed has a 50/50 chance of being a girl, that had that life taken before she had a chance. Protecting and empowering women? I wonder how many girls have been killed in the past century by abortion...

>>81500413
Again, do you hear yourself talk?
"I NEED TO KILL MY BABY BECAUSE HE PROBABLY WON'T BECOME A DOCTOR OR BE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL"
Because these demons want to live vicariously through their children. Evil as shit. And not even on a certainty, on a PROBABILITY that the baby won't be successful.

>>81500485
You think it is about living through your children?
If you're a shitty parent and make shitty decisions then you'll be doing a disservice to them. To another separate human being, regardless of whether they are related to you or not but in this case they are and you'd be responsible for their well-being and for how they are raised up until a certain point. You're saying we shouldn't kill babies because in spite of their circumstances they might overcome them. I'm not saying we should kill them, I'd rather they weren't killed, abortion shouldn't be the first birth control option since there are plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy, but if you've already made a shitstorm of poor life choices, financial choices, and you'd be unable to not have your child be affected by that in ways that would hinder their future, then you and that child are better off not being in each other's lives. Not everyone is fit to be a parent and not every child is given what they need in order to have a future. Simply fucking and popping out a kid like you're taking a shit and then feeding them cheerios, putting an ipad in front of their face, and then having an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality is not being a parent.

>>81500347
NTA but it seems as you believe your opinions are right just because your IQ is very high. This is literally just ad hominem and I'm surprised someone who claims to be so smart does stuff like this.

>>81499330 (OP)
sure, as long as you don't consider murder a great evil. which you might not, and that is fair, long as you're consistent about it. if you're against murder, you gotta be against abortion

>>81500537
Yet the child deserves to live. The parents who made bad choices do not get to kill their way out of their biggest one. If all else fails, put the parents in prison and the child up for adoption. Literally anything else is better than killing the child. There are zero circumstances where the child is "better off dead".

>>81500564
>Abortion is murder
Genuinely why?

>>81500606
It's the taking of another human life not done in self-defense and done without consent (rape is an exception to this).

>>81500626
At which point in pregnancy can we really call that a "human"?

>>81500383
>uhh a-actually I AM a genius even though I hate geniuses so much! ignore that my takes are too retarded to come from anyone with an IQ over 80
geg

>>81500587
I'm not disagreeing, but i'm also not agreeing entirely 100 percent. Only because some people simply do not deserve to be parents, they aren't parents at all, they just do the absolute minimum to get by and expect magical results. Those life choices have outcomes, and if the parents are too stupid or selfish to put two and two together, that fucking increases the likelihood of there being a pregnancy, and that their poor decisions will rob the child of a childhood or of a healthy development, then they should have an abortion, because they aren't thinking the way you are. They aren't thinking in concrete ideas with concrete outcomes, they're going off of their mood and how they feel, they'll keep the kid and they won't teach the kid a single fucking thing worth being taught. You see it all the fucking time. They simply won't be good influences or role models to the child, and it is less about being a high status doctor, having a bentley or lexus, and living through your children, but about giving them a healthy upbringing which these fucking animals simply won't be able to because they're not thinking ahead. Abortion exists because a sizeable portion of the population can not make the connection between sex and pregnancy.

>>81500545
I only mentioned my IQ to discredit >>81499635

>>81500635
At conception, when the DNA becomes diploid and self-replicating, it is human by definition.

>>81500643
I'm not a genius and nobody who is a member of Mensa is a genius either. But i am smart and good at mathematics, doing a doctorate. In a mensa meeting you will find the same retards you'd find anywhere else, only these ones have a card that says their number is big :). Actual geniuses don't spend time sniffing their farts in a circle comparing their big numbers. Get a real hobby, dude. You're not smart because you're high IQ. You just have the capacity to become smart once you get your head out of your ass and actually do something

>>81500606
other guy isn't me. it's taking of human life, and the justifications used do not apply in other context (that is, they're made up to cover this one single moral inconsistency). and the consensus is actually now that a fetus absolutely is an independent human life; you can see this reflected in that organized pro-choice groups no longer use that line at all -- they were simply wrong all along

>>81500587
>>81500653
Side note: I agree that abortion is killing a life. Semantics like "terminating a pregnancy" doesn't make it not a fetus/baby, but it exists because dumbasses exist. As long as dumbasses and poor people exist, abortion will always exist because evidently sex doesn't increase the odds of pregnancy, until it does, which it never does, until it does.

Genuine question, not meant to be pro-life or pro-choice, just asking:
Why does life start at birth? That seems kind of arbitrary to me. A baby that's just been born is not really any more capable of understanding and appreciating its own existence than the fetus it was a few days before. It's always seemed strange to me that pro-choicers are okay with killing fetuses but not newborns.

>>81501016
Life is a cycle of growth and stages that overlap with one another.
When an egg hatched and a chick emerges, it isn't a fully formed chicken yet. It learns from an older chicken and is fed, cared for, etc by the older chicken. Once it is older it reproduces and has kids of its own. Humans are mammals but unlike other mammals we don't come out of the womb able to talk, walk, generally move about on our own. Babies come out unable to do any of that

>>81501058
Well, sure, but my question is why is birth specifically the point that killing the baby becomes unacceptable?

>>81499330 (OP)
>Anti-abortion fags make me laugh. They would rather have a child be born into an abusive/unstable/poor family (which usually consists of a single mom) rather than kill a clump of cells with no developed brain that can barely even be considered alive
You reduced the options to those two, which is as silly as reducing it to raising kids in an imperfect but loving household vs murdering newborns with an axe.

>>81500703
>You're not smart because you're high IQ. You just have the capacity to become smart
TRVTH NVKE

>>81499330 (OP)
Thats right, most problems and crimes caused by people can be traced back to their single mother households.

>>81500115
I agree with people who have tons of kids generally being retards but the other side of the coin is retards who don't have kids cause "erm id just be a mom teehee. Dont you know kids also cost 200 gorillion?"

>>81501132
Cause even 20 iq retards can't deny a baby is alive. But i get your point

>>81500677
Behold, a cake

>>81501383
retarded and terrible analogy if you are serious
if it is bait then kys

>>81501383
Look at these, anon, they're all different species, because you're retarded.

>>81501132
I don't know. Because with a baby actually in front of you is it harder to deny it is a human life instead of a "clump of cells"

abortion is murder
>>81499452
I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold, A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir

>>81501513
Aren't all living humans clumps of cells? Does being a clump of cells make something less valuable?

>>81501513
Fat man problem. People are too stupid to conceptualize morality; they have to see it to believe it.

>>81499330 (OP)
Your ancestors were born into abusive/unstable/poor families. Would you have been okay with someone terminating them on the basis that they might not have a perfect life?

>>81501383
>Behold, a cake
KEK

>>81499414
FPBP.
Any policy that hurts foids is good.

>>81501573
Not OP but I'm okay with that cuz I don't want to be here

>>81501629
>I don't want to be here
>murder is okay because I have le teenage depression
I guarantee if someone tried to murder you tomorrow, instinct would kick in and you would fight tooth and nail to stay alive. Every day is a blessing anon.

>>81501668
Honestly, I won't if the one trying to kill me has a gun.

>>81501546
How about before a nervous system is developed? Wouldn't it be OK, I figured the "baby" wouldn't even feel anything, nor has it ever felt or thought anything ever, so what's the big deal?

>>81501732
I mean, if the metric is whether the baby "feels something" or not, then sure, that makes sense. But is that the metric?

>>81501732
by this logic we should also kill all vegetables

>>81501787
I 100% agree with that statement

>>81501787
Death to america
Death to sheriff chitwood
Death to all vegetables

The idea of pinning down any of the pro abortion foids in this thread, putting a baby in them and starting a family gave me a 3 hour boner

>>81501787
They do though. Plenty of people pull the plug on their veggie family.

>>81501880
Weird, the idea of pinning down a pro choice foid, putting a baby in her, then punching her in the stomach repeatedly gave me a 3 hour boner