Thread 81551487

what do robots think about computer programming?

>>81551487 (OP)
>what do robots think about computer programming
I have mu fun with it

>>81551487 (OP)
honestly i got really, really tired of trying to figure out bugs. why logical machines are so pissy about having exactly the right syntax and want 6+2 instead of 2+6 is beyond me; like, just fuckin work, man.

>>81551531
i feel ya homeboi, it is a practice that requiers a lot of attention to detail, being rigorous is not for eeveryone.

possibly why so many autists excel at it

>>81551487 (OP)
i've started to get into it, since i'm doing nothing all day and need a hobby.
i've felt an attraction to programming before, but i've never really acted on it since i didn't know what resources there were and i've always felt too shitty throughout the day to start and search or even get out of the bed.

>>81551487 (OP)
Was useful about 30 years ago when not very many programs were available and you had to program them yourself. It's really the only reason I got into programming. Since about 2005, I never needed to code again since really good programs that were doing the task I needed them to do but better showed up.

>>81551487 (OP)
ive always wanted to pursue this just as a hobby if nothing else but i think my brain is already too liquified and i have no motivation

It's a surprisingly common skill now. Just don't confuse being a developer and being able to program. Someone who makes excel sheets can be a programmer. But a person who takes the work of an architect and turns it into something that can be built shares more in common with a developer than the previously mentioned spreadsheet jockey.
>>81551531
>>81551564
Midwit filter. Not understanding that you don't understand something is a sign that you understand a lot of things good enough, but you don't fully understand much of anything.

i enjoy it but its hard to be useful in this field anymore
nobody wants to hire you unless you have a couple of years of experince at this point
t. graduate CStard

i'm too old to learn it and i imagine it's boring as shit

AI is going to nix tons of coding jobs. Not just depress wages, they'll be gone because there is no way a human can compete.

It is a side hustle at this point, it is useful if you want to be able to tweak code in a larger project. Like if the AI code is unaesthetic or not user friendly you can change it, you want to perfect an important piece of code to improve efficiency or personally understand how something is encrypted so you can ensure there are no loopholes.

>>81552100
>nobody wants to hire you unless you have a couple of years of experince at this point
happens when employers prey on the stronger diy culture of the field that you won't see as much in other stem fields
>>81552272
>AI is going to nix tons of coding jobs
https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.06941

>>81552303
>there are some limitations
So coding jobs will be limited to the very best programmers, people who have been coding since age 14 in the 90s and shit. Coding is still useful, but for most it is useful like knowing how to work the office printer, you don't need a Gutenberg printing press and skilled artisan in every office.

>>81551487 (OP)
I just started getting into it and want to get better. Id like some programmer robot friends too honestly desu

>>81551487 (OP)
It's the hamfisted version of drawing.

>>81552347
>So coding jobs will be limited to the very best programmers
Not really, id fear saaars, chinks and slavs more because while LLM hit the wall in terms of trying to scale them with more params or techniques like CoT, you can still just outsource the work

>>81551531
You should get AI, it makes the code you describe and fixed every bug and pointed out how I was doing everything wrong. Made me realize how my personality wasn't really suited for programming and why I was struggling with it so much (can't do math, brain struggles to comprehend more complex algorithms)

>>81551487 (OP)
It's fun. I like it enough to have a degree in CS. HOWEVER 100% of the jobs are in fucking web dev, which is not real programming. So now I work a shitty tech support job and program games at home for fun.

>>81552272
Not really. First, LLMs are not AI, equating these terms is the biggest grift of the century. Second, LLMs are only capable of shitting out boilerplate snippets they stole from stackoverflow. The likelihood of any LLM derived code fitting into your project without requiring extensive rewriting and debugging is low, unless what you are doing is incredibly basic. As your codebase gets bigger and more complex the usefulness of LLMs tends towards 0. I guess it's useful as an educational tool for people just starting out, but I'd still sooner recommend learning from a book.

I learned all the basic tenets of objective oriented programming, I understand how it works, I can do some basic shit with it but I picked it up as a hobby and I honestly don't know how to utilize it. It's just that I don't need it for anything. I made scripts and even a wrapper to re-encode videos with adjustable properties in ffmpeg but that's about it. I just don't need it.

Obviously I'm not good enough to get hired for a job and I don't have any credentials either, so it's just a completely useless skill for me.

>Coding's a good job mate.
>It's not very challenging work, indoors, I guarantee you won't go hungry
>Cause at the end of the day, long as there's two people on earth, someone is gonna want someone to support b2b saas

>>81552680
>HOWEVER 100% of the jobs are in fucking web dev, which is not real programming
Most of the interesting stuff happens in open source projects after that it's just glueing things together

>>81552730
object oriented* whatever, I didn't even touch it in like two years. Just a waste of my time. Probably watched around 120-150 hours worth of videos.

>>81551487 (OP)
gay, enjoy losing your job to ai u nerd

>>81552795
I don't see a reason why I'd loose my current job anytime soon

>>81551487 (OP)
I enjoy it and I think it's one of the only things I'm decent at. Got a degree and somehow got a dev job too. But >>81552100 and >>81552680 are kind of correct about the industry
My team is slowly adding more Indians and I swear every time I find shit code the author is Indian.
My company is heavily pushing AI coding assistants so I'm being forced to use it. Luckily the leads on my team are reluctant. It's pretty infuriating watching retards in uni constantly copy and paste code to and from chatgpt without thinking. Not too worried about AI yet.
The webdev part isn't bad though, cause at least its different from what I program in my spare time so I dont get tired of it

What do you want to know from me exactly? It's a fun past time for me as a NEET, it's good to create and build stuff, not just be a thoughtless consumer, and I'm fairly obsessed with computer programming. I do this shit since age 12 and pretty much whenever I can, because computer programming gives my life meaning. The job market is fucked, but I do this because of genuine interest and for the fun in it, not for some wagecage job. It's kind of hard to talk about this when you give no context of what you want to know. Perhaps it might be worth asking, are there any (Common) Lispers on /r9k/? Alien tech must surely be most attractive to alien people after all.

>>81552931
>are there any (Common) Lispers on /r9k/?
im pretty boring and use typescript and rust for home projects, kotlin and swift at work.
>Alien tech must surely be most attractive to alien people after all.
Lisp isn't that alien, was kinda fun creating an interpreter for it some time ago

>>81551487 (OP)
I think it can be awesome, but the introduction of ChatGPT and LLM coding assistants made me enjoy it way less. In the past you had to know what you were doing, which took time, and now any retard can half-ass anything, and those are the people you have to compete with for jobs and gigs. So you have to ask yourself: am I willing to sacrifice quality for something that just werks (and erode your brain reasoning skills in the process, as demonstrated by recent studies), or take the high road and try to do things properly and learn in the process, which will make you way less effective and borderline unemployable for a long time. Shit's fucked.

>>81551487 (OP)
It's a massively multiplayer online puzzle game that pays absurd amounts of real money if you're good at it and can explain the meta to normies.

>>81551487 (OP)
It used to be fun for me when I did it as a hobby and contributed to FOSS as a neet and uni student. Actually working in the industry has killed any passion I once had for it.

It's still a playground for you to do whatever you want. Doing anything serious becomes very boring very quickly though

>>81552931 >>81552945 >>81553206 >>81554471

what kind of projects are you bros working on?
I struggle to make any kind of project...

And the only thing that comes to mind is modding and games really, but I don't really want to do any kind of drawing bullshit. And when I try to something technical, I always end up doing the wrong thing and wasting my efforts.

As a neet, I just got nothing to program for.

>>81551487 (OP)
The more I learn the less I use computers

>>81551487 (OP)
I used to do it all the time as a hobby, but literally no one was using anything I was making, and I've been cognitively declining so I don't I can even do it anymore.

i love it. take some adderall to supercharge my autism and i can work for 10 hours only pausing to drink water/monster and pissing. no one uses my shit but i dont care because i use most of what i make

>>81554867
>what kind of projects are you bros working on?
after im done with my last assignment, i'll either continue on my jvm interpreter or lil programming lang that i have. the most recent practical thing i've did was a tool for backing up all the google services that i use

>>81551487 (OP)
It's so lame

>>81551487 (OP)
It's just databases, flowcharts, and MAKING IT LOOK PRETTY :3

>>81551487 (OP)
Unbelievably fucking boring, and I have a degree in comp sci

>>81551487 (OP)
Third worlders have flooded the field so Im thinking of switching to biomedical or something lab and biology related.

>>81552931
i really enjoy the history of computing and like to program in obscure languages from the past like BASIC, APL and LISP, even COBOL..etc I refuse to program in mainstream languages like python which i think is bullshit since it has no end tokens. I also hate lua because it can't do things like proper arrays and the index starts at 1 instead of 0 but its widely used in game engines and things. It seems like major companies and game engines keep adopting the worst languages in existence so i can never really use my skills in any of the cases.

>>81551487 (OP)
I don't think about computer programming because I only think about putting me peener en teh vageener

>>81555147
I think programmers are much like rockstars, you have to be able to make something meaningful and soulful for people to actually want to buy your product.