Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:24:23 AM No.81568986
You exist.
That's for sure.
Non-existence would imply no experience.
So, you exist.
Repeat: I Am
That's for sure.
Non-existence would imply no experience.
So, you exist.
Repeat: I Am
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Thread 81568986 - /r9k/ [Archived: 890 hours ago]
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:27:29 AM No.81569031
>>81568986 (OP)
The "I" part is debatable. Maybe that sense of self is wrong and the perspective thought of as someone's own was just a vignette from a dream of God or the universe or whatever.
The "I" part is debatable. Maybe that sense of self is wrong and the perspective thought of as someone's own was just a vignette from a dream of God or the universe or whatever.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:41:34 AM No.81569189
>>81568986 (OP)
"Existence" becomes a meaningless word since everything is experienced. If everything exists, then nothing doesn't. Except, oh wait, nothing must exist since it is experienced. We're talking about it right now with a word made specifically for it. Hence, it can't be the case that I exist due to experience because then nothing exists and doesn't at the same time. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of existence here, or the concept itself is incoherent. I exist for some other reason, or perhaps don't exist at all.
"Existence" becomes a meaningless word since everything is experienced. If everything exists, then nothing doesn't. Except, oh wait, nothing must exist since it is experienced. We're talking about it right now with a word made specifically for it. Hence, it can't be the case that I exist due to experience because then nothing exists and doesn't at the same time. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of existence here, or the concept itself is incoherent. I exist for some other reason, or perhaps don't exist at all.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:43:53 AM No.81569214
>>81569031
It's not wrong to say
I Am
I Am I
I Am That
I Am That I Am
>>81569189
Confusing yourself will not solve your problem.
It's not wrong to say
I Am
I Am I
I Am That
I Am That I Am
>>81569189
Confusing yourself will not solve your problem.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:07:12 AM No.81569475
>>81569214
>Confusing yourself will not solve your problem.
Your argument is that I exist because non-existence would imply no experience of me. But you're only applying that when it's convenient for you.
Non-existence MUST exist too because non-existence itself would imply no experience of it.
Nothing is something we experience. We know of it, can describe it, and can conceive of it. Existence would be meaningless without non-existence. Full would mean nothing without empty. It follows that nothing exists. Yet, everything exists at the same time somehow, or the whole line of reasoning you're using doesn't make any sense. I don't think it does. It's a paradox.
>Confusing yourself will not solve your problem.
Your argument is that I exist because non-existence would imply no experience of me. But you're only applying that when it's convenient for you.
Non-existence MUST exist too because non-existence itself would imply no experience of it.
Nothing is something we experience. We know of it, can describe it, and can conceive of it. Existence would be meaningless without non-existence. Full would mean nothing without empty. It follows that nothing exists. Yet, everything exists at the same time somehow, or the whole line of reasoning you're using doesn't make any sense. I don't think it does. It's a paradox.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:14:52 AM No.81569568
>>81569475
>Nothing is something we experience.
If you experienced nothing, you wouldn't remember it because your brain would also be nothing.
>Nothing is something we experience.
If you experienced nothing, you wouldn't remember it because your brain would also be nothing.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:28:37 AM No.81569725
>>81569568
Then how are you talking about it right now? If it doesn't exist, then you shouldn't be able to talk about it.
Then how are you talking about it right now? If it doesn't exist, then you shouldn't be able to talk about it.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:32:54 AM No.81569763
>>81569725
I never said that it didn't exist. In fact, matter and energy must necessarily be arranged within nothing. It's just that you can't experience the void, because memory implies some arrangement of matter and energy. You must be able to remember things to experience them.
I never said that it didn't exist. In fact, matter and energy must necessarily be arranged within nothing. It's just that you can't experience the void, because memory implies some arrangement of matter and energy. You must be able to remember things to experience them.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:46:59 AM No.81569893
>>81568986 (OP)
even if you're right, then what? why should the assurance that we exist matter when existing is so boring and lame?
even if you're right, then what? why should the assurance that we exist matter when existing is so boring and lame?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:49:24 AM No.81569920
>>81569893
>existing is so boring
Sounds like a "you" problem. It takes a field of manure to plant the seed for one buddha.
>existing is so boring
Sounds like a "you" problem. It takes a field of manure to plant the seed for one buddha.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:51:44 AM No.81569940
>>81569763
Well, anon. That's not what I'm saying you're saying. Everything not existing, nothing existing, is something we can imagine and talk about.
I am not referring to just some things existing and some things not like you're suggesting. I am referring to nothing existing at all. We can talk about that and imagine non-existance and emptyness, so it must exist on some level. I'm as sure it exists as I'm sure I exist, which is not sure at all.
If everything imaginable exists, then nothing at all exists, which is impossible if everything exists, so we can conclude that not everything imaginable exists.
Some imaginable things don't exist, and that could hypothetically include me.
Well, anon. That's not what I'm saying you're saying. Everything not existing, nothing existing, is something we can imagine and talk about.
I am not referring to just some things existing and some things not like you're suggesting. I am referring to nothing existing at all. We can talk about that and imagine non-existance and emptyness, so it must exist on some level. I'm as sure it exists as I'm sure I exist, which is not sure at all.
If everything imaginable exists, then nothing at all exists, which is impossible if everything exists, so we can conclude that not everything imaginable exists.
Some imaginable things don't exist, and that could hypothetically include me.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:53:03 AM No.81569947
>>81569920
so your knowledge truly is useless. to know or not to know that you exist, it doesn't matter; it cannot help you in the existence you do experience. what would you do if you were unfairly imprisoned in solitary? what would you do if everyone suddenly disappeared and only you remained? your assurance of your own existence would only serve to hollow you out from the inside, the loneliness ravaging at your soul. you can only distract yourself from this fact, and desperately cling onto the things that bring you joy, which you so take for granted.
so your knowledge truly is useless. to know or not to know that you exist, it doesn't matter; it cannot help you in the existence you do experience. what would you do if you were unfairly imprisoned in solitary? what would you do if everyone suddenly disappeared and only you remained? your assurance of your own existence would only serve to hollow you out from the inside, the loneliness ravaging at your soul. you can only distract yourself from this fact, and desperately cling onto the things that bring you joy, which you so take for granted.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:54:42 AM No.81569957
>>81569947
>what would you do if you were unfairly imprisoned in solitary?
I am a fucking weirdo, my man. As long as I had food and a bible, I think I'd be good.
>what would you do if you were unfairly imprisoned in solitary?
I am a fucking weirdo, my man. As long as I had food and a bible, I think I'd be good.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:00:35 AM No.81570006
>>81569957
i thought the same thing, until i sat long enough in lone darkness long enough so that these things withered before my very eyes. my once favored food became bland, my once cherished bible became uninteresting. i am autistic, as perhaps are you, yet i have lost what made me feel alive; my hyper-fixations. i could obsess over any esoteric knowledge, for days on end. what changed? nothing, that's the problem. i found myself wandering on the rim of nothingness, begging for something, anything to get me away from it. but after long enough, i could do nothing but jump into the heart of the void. heed my warning: salvation lies in lies. do not seek the truth, hold tight onto ignorance, it is the only way to joy. existence is a lie, and to exist is to be a liar.
i thought the same thing, until i sat long enough in lone darkness long enough so that these things withered before my very eyes. my once favored food became bland, my once cherished bible became uninteresting. i am autistic, as perhaps are you, yet i have lost what made me feel alive; my hyper-fixations. i could obsess over any esoteric knowledge, for days on end. what changed? nothing, that's the problem. i found myself wandering on the rim of nothingness, begging for something, anything to get me away from it. but after long enough, i could do nothing but jump into the heart of the void. heed my warning: salvation lies in lies. do not seek the truth, hold tight onto ignorance, it is the only way to joy. existence is a lie, and to exist is to be a liar.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:01:33 AM No.81570013
>>81570006
Yo For Something That Doesn't Exist You Sure Talk A Lot
Yo For Something That Doesn't Exist You Sure Talk A Lot
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:03:26 AM No.81570029
>>81570013
i do exist, and the fact that i am an agent of nothingness only further contributes to my hypocrisy of an existence. i am a lie that pretends to know truth, despite only being able to lie.
i do exist, and the fact that i am an agent of nothingness only further contributes to my hypocrisy of an existence. i am a lie that pretends to know truth, despite only being able to lie.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:05:16 AM No.81570046
>>81569940
>not everything imaginable exists.
Maybe not in a traditional physical sense, but there is a very real idea space. Even to conceive of "nothing," you fire neurons and still end up thinking of something, making the experience of nothing an unexpressible idea.
>not everything imaginable exists.
Maybe not in a traditional physical sense, but there is a very real idea space. Even to conceive of "nothing," you fire neurons and still end up thinking of something, making the experience of nothing an unexpressible idea.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:22:26 AM No.81570181
>>81570046
So, in your mind, we're not thinking and talking about nothing? As in, it is not in the idea space? Then what do you figure I'm referring to when I say "nothing" if not the absence of everything? And then, if it does not exist in the idea space, wouldn't it exist in the intent space, or maybe the aesthetic space, along with the square circles and sex-having virgins and other impossible to imagine but still possible to imagine of things?
So, in your mind, we're not thinking and talking about nothing? As in, it is not in the idea space? Then what do you figure I'm referring to when I say "nothing" if not the absence of everything? And then, if it does not exist in the idea space, wouldn't it exist in the intent space, or maybe the aesthetic space, along with the square circles and sex-having virgins and other impossible to imagine but still possible to imagine of things?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:57:11 AM No.81570458
>>81570181
Yes, we're talking about something. If we were talking about nothing, we'd both shut up.
Yes, we're talking about something. If we were talking about nothing, we'd both shut up.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:48:28 AM No.81571353
>>81570458
>If we were talking about nothing, we'd both shut up.
1.)You're not shut up, so you must not be talking about nothing.
2.) But if you're not talking about nothing, then you're talking about something, so you would actually be describing what happens when we talk about something, not nothing.
3.) If you're talking about something, then "1.)" can't be true. You're not gurenteed to not be talking about nothing, since your original claim "if we were talking about nothing..." would actually be saying "if we were talking about something..."
4.) If we'd shut up if we were talking about something, then that's evidence we could be talking about nothing, since we're not shut up.
5.) But if we're actually talking about nothing, then that takes us back to "1.)"
Basically, none of those sentences you wrote made any sense.
I see it like this: if you use the word "nothing" and mean it, then "nothing" must exist in idea space. Otherwise, you're not actually talking about "nothing," or at least not "nothing at all" for our case, and are misusing the word.
>If we were talking about nothing, we'd both shut up.
1.)You're not shut up, so you must not be talking about nothing.
2.) But if you're not talking about nothing, then you're talking about something, so you would actually be describing what happens when we talk about something, not nothing.
3.) If you're talking about something, then "1.)" can't be true. You're not gurenteed to not be talking about nothing, since your original claim "if we were talking about nothing..." would actually be saying "if we were talking about something..."
4.) If we'd shut up if we were talking about something, then that's evidence we could be talking about nothing, since we're not shut up.
5.) But if we're actually talking about nothing, then that takes us back to "1.)"
Basically, none of those sentences you wrote made any sense.
I see it like this: if you use the word "nothing" and mean it, then "nothing" must exist in idea space. Otherwise, you're not actually talking about "nothing," or at least not "nothing at all" for our case, and are misusing the word.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:49:53 AM No.81571367
>>81571353
I wish i could fuck until you pass out on the floor
I wish i could fuck until you pass out on the floor
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 4:57:56 AM No.81571420
I'm not sure the grand revelation here. Yes, I do exist. It's fucking gay as hell. I suffer. I wish I never existed. If I ever doubt that I exist, then I just feel my suffering and know for sure that I exist. Because if I didn't exist there would be no suffering.