Thread 81603196

>>81603196 (OP)
Suffering is the perfect teacher if you work with it and learn from it... But if you persist on putting your hand on the stove you will continue to get burned until you learn.

>81603220
>Suffering is the perfect teacher if you work with it

>>81603196 (OP)
Suffering builds plenty of character and gives you a lot of life XP, but it also completely ruins your ability to trust people, bond with them and be able to believe they don't have ulterior motives.

>>81603271
>Suffering builds plenty of character and gives you a lot of life XP

Learning from your experiences is certainly a better coping mechanism than whatever this thread is supposed to be

>>81603196 (OP)
They meant actual suffering, not self-hate

>>81603324
You stole my lemonjak asshole I posted this here first

>>81603324
>learning from bad experiences is certainly better than not having bad experiences
>>81603334
> REAL suffering has never been tried before

>>81603364
>REAL suffering has never been tried before
It has,
YOU have never tried before

>>81603387
shit forgot some words

>81603387
>betcha never svffered like me, bitch boii

>>81603196 (OP)
Suffering is "good" when you get the reward at the end. For example, you had to work like a mule to pay off your house, but at the end you managed to do it, the suffering was worth it
Now suffering just for suffering is meaningless and it's better to give up

>81603429
>Suffering is "good" when you get the reward at the end.

>>81603196 (OP)
>>81603271
That's the cope people give out, I've been suffering my whole life and the character I've built is one of bitterness, jealously and mistrust of the entire universe. But I always realized laws, morals, rules, etc are not worth listening to or caring about. So there is that.

"Other people" cause 95% of the problems you'll ever have in life too.

>>81603429
Yeah but the major issue is most suffering... there is no reward. That's why one is suffering. It's taking so much action and ended up with zero reward for it.

>>81603445
jannies 404'd my thread on /x/ about this, and insta-404'd my repost
was a great thread lol
someone got salty

>>81603445
You've not learned to deal with hardship better or avoid it better at all?
That sounds like a (you) problem.

>>81603196 (OP)
It does, but not in the way you would want.

>>81603498
got a link to the archive sounds based.

>>81603779
single best bait thread I made

>>81603718
Everybody's got Hardship, Problems, Suffering. Whatever word you want to describe it. Nobody avoids it. Everyone suffers a series of compounding problems that ultimately end in their death. Nobody makes it out alive.

>>81603823
that's not the first noble truth kek

can someone defiine suffering? is wageslaving suffering? is it the same suffering as dealing with cancer? if theyre not the same why use the same word?

>>81603868
it's experiencing pain. one doesn't necessarily suffer when dealing with cancer, so dealing with cancer is not suffering intrinsically.

(wageslaving always involves suffering though.)

>>81603196 (OP)
Did you think life would just be handed to you? That you could wake up one day, decide "I'm going to be great!" and the world would open up to you?
You have to work for what you want. Hard. What most people don't seem to write or make art about is how exhausting it is to have a relatively shitty life by American standards. You really have to kill yourself to even have a townhouse, let alone actual property.
You have to be willing to fuck up. Fuck up constantly. You have to get to the positions you want to be in and be consumed with that all too familiar feeling of actual sickness, of despair, the clawing, screaming desire to be anywhere else, to do anything else, to escape and forfeit all you worked for. Not only do you have to suffer to grow as a human being, you have to kill the former version of yourself, strangle his habits, clear out his closet, and bury him. You have to do this ritual every single time you move on to a new phase in life if you wish to have any depth or character worth having.
Robots reject this notion. They hiss, scream, bitch, and bemoan that "life's not fair".
"OH MY LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN SO GOOD IF..."
Do you recognize how retarded that is? That history is filled with endless great works by endless people of similar circumstance that the average robot has to wholesale reject because it doesn't fit his cope?
The fact of the matter is robots by and large tend to be cowardly, shitty men who come from cowardly, shitty fathers. They do not take risks, they do not take responsibility, they will blame the sun for rising if it meant they didn't have to meet their gaze in the mirror and acknowledge that they are the author of their demise.
I take satisfaction in your cries. Yes, yes. Plead. Beg. Moan. Gasp at a world that is passing you by. Claw at the cage. Let me suck upon your cheek and taste the tears. Your voice growing quieter and quieter with each passing year. So faint it will disappear.
Only I will remain.

>>81603902
Based Khan poster

>>81603823
Ironic you chose a b*ddhist pic, because b*ddhism is pretty much the just world fallacy turned into a religion. If you've actually hung around real cultural b*ddhists (READ: ASIANS), not westerners who use it as an excuse to buy exotic home decor, you'd quickly see firsthand how they always use it to minimize and justify others' suffering under the guise that they """deserve it""" because muh karma.

>>81603920
>le fallacy
Faggot

>>81603902
I live an easy life so all your blabbering is meaningless

>>81603991
>REEEEEE YUO CAN'T JUST DESCRIBE THINGS IN AN ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!
babby's first alinsky move

>>81603718
Hardship is entirely brought on by people lying to me and bullshitting me and never giving me enough resources to do anything about my problems, like every job I've had constantly giving me almost no hours and shitty pay. I've never been offered full-time work and I've applied and begged for it over the years.

If other people are constantly bankrupting me, constanting demanding I give them resources, but give me practically nothing... that's hardship. I realized it's okay to just steal from them or whomever I have to at this point. I need to eat too and if they won't let me work and earn my food, I'll just steal their food.

No one is keeping track of good behavior and rewarding it.
They are just watching out for bad behavior and trying to punish it.
If they never see the bad behavior -- you get away with it.

>>81603498
Normies can't handle the truth, obviously.

>>81603196 (OP)
>suffering builds character
>DSM V ASPD causes
>Traumatic events can lead to a disruption of the standard development of the central nervous system, which can generate a release of hormones that can change normal patterns of development
>borderline causes
> BPD is multifaceted, with no consensus on a singular cause. BPD may share a connection with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), with both having a traumatic substrate. While childhood trauma is a recognized contributing factor, the roles of congenital brain abnormalities, genetics, neurobiology, and non-traumatic environmental factors remain subjects of ongoing investigation
>Narcissistic personality disorder
>Evidence to support social factors in the development of NPD is limited.Some studies have found NPD correlates with permissive and overindulgent parenting in childhood, while others have found correlations with harsh discipline, neglect or abuse. Findings have been inconsistent, and scientists do not know if these correlations are causal, as these studies do not control for genetic confounding.
some shit character people build

now all i gotta do is walk away

>>81604007
If your life is easy you are not living.

>>81604258
all of these examples are of weak people who let suffering get the best of them, silly anon!

>>81603196 (OP)
>BRO us normies totally suffer!
>sometimes we have to not be socially stimulated 24/7!

>>81604258
>>81604768
Suffering doesn't build character at all too, the people I know who suffered the lest are doing the best. Their parents gave them everything and now they're doing just fine in life.
No suffering.
No character development arc.
Just enjoying life and getting rewarded for it the entire time.

>>81604776
Yeah like how they suffered during COVID because they weren't doing outside social events literally every day.

>>81603868
I think physical and spiritual suffering can have the same word
Like being told you can never walk again after an accident Vs being physically perfect and being told your child is dead

>>81603868
Schopenhauer defined everything is suffering. You need a drink of water, suffering, need to take a shit, suffering.
But I don't think the average person would think needing to take a shit is suffering.

>>81604794
there's a difference between decedent comfort and striving for greatness. what you call a "good life" sounds like the former. have these people ever discovered a new land? have they invented a new technology? created an artistic masterpiece? constant pressure is what pushes man to evolve. to become the ubermensch.

>>81604720
I think therefore I am
Your arbitrary view about what is "living" doesn't mean anything

>>81603220
And you will still build character
Suffering is a vital part of life, without it you'd be a lemming

>>81603196 (OP)
>>81603779
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40586173/

>>81603196 (OP)
it does, you just have to have the means to deal with it is all
be it through resources or your own self-perseverance

>>81603196 (OP)
depends
Not succumbing to mainstream opinions due to social pressure can, possibly, help you develop some critical thinking skills. This may come at the cost of loosing out on critical social development though...
Being raped by your uncle has little to no positive impact on your life.

>enduring humiliation rituals like a cuck is le good
>not humiliating yourself like a cuck is le bad

why do boomers say this?

>>81603271
Suffering made me think that everyone is evil and out there for him/herself.
I only tried once in my 32 years on this earth to break out of it, from age 27 to age 29 I was always helpful and was the first guy there to help my "friends", I refused payment or anything.
So ye, a year later they all forcibly ignored me, never talk to me and act like I never even existed.
A single time where I didn't let my negative reinforcements make up my life... they ALL were proven correct, every single negative thought.

>>81603445
Objectively speaking, if your life is shit, it's most likely other peoples fault.
This entire "self reflection" bullshit is brought up by normies to avoid accountability.

>>81604794
Yeah this, the people I know who didn't have an abusive schizoid older brother and didn't got mistreated, EVER, in school all gone to become self made millionaires or being in high paying professions.
All the bully victims or people from abusive households? The most successful ones I know managed to achieve a milestone you are supposed to be done with in your early 20s in their mid 30s (like a Bachelors degree) and maybe got an okay job, most ended up being depressed alcohilics on welfare or are dead, most of them weren't any dumber than the wealthy 32 year old doctor.

>>81603902
Thats a lot of macho words for a world with more men than ever and less greats than ever, think perhaps theres some systems causing that? Did napoleon rise to his noble office after 17 years in public low quality schooling and an HR councils approval? At some point you can't keep blaming individuals and have to start wondering why they turn out this way, and when you boil it down it all comes down to systems and incentives, not some vague spiritual "destiny" and "willpower". The difference between 500 years of Greco-Roman greats and 500 years of dark age stagnation was all leadership and systems, not individual will, strength or genetics.

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