Just a reminder life in the past was better for the average male
>inb4 diseases
>inb4 21st century copes
>inb4 too much Paradox gaming
Shit arguments, stop being a pussy. You can't refute it.

>>81607764 (OP)
i think about this all the time. life had real purpose back then and there were genuinely better things to do then staying inside all day.

>>81607764 (OP)
>shit arguments
you wanna hear about "shit arguments" I got one right here, I can shit in a toilet now instead of shitting in the grass and having nothing to clean my asshole with and just letting shit fester on my butthole

>but you could have sex with women more
both the women and me would be covered in shit
any bed id sleep in would have shit in it from my inability to clean my asshole so any bed i have sex in is gonna have shit in it not to mention the shit that would be on both of our bodies

>but you could be a knight
and die brutally shitting yourself
and chances are if you're reborn in these times you're not a knight you're a farmer harvesting wheat or something, so still wageslavery except you don't even have proper toilets to use and you can't even play video games when your 15 hour work day is over

>>81607920
The whole world was your toilet idiot look at the image you posted

>>81607920
im not sure why you're so obsessed with having a shitty ass, are you into scat or something? people still had access to water back then though lol, there weren't hot showers available for every citizen obviously but you could still clean yourself with water in a bucket or you could just go to a local lake etc.

>in the past was better for the average male
>Literally a slave
Historical ignorance is the mark of fascism

>>81607941
>just squat down and take a shit anywhere
>how do you clean yourself off afterwards? fucked if i know

i genuinely cannot fathom anything but suffering ("butt suffering" haha) in a life where I don't have toilet paper or a shower to wash my butthole daily, there is no amount of glorious medieval living that would make that poop-nightmare worth it

>>81607963
there have always been and will always be slaves throughout history, even today.

>>81607772
>life had real purpose
What purpose? Dying in a war of conquest? Being persecuted by religious zealots?
You have freedom, and you take it for granted

Romans shat together and wiped their asses with the same stick

>>81607954
you've got it backwards
I am obsessed with not having a shitty ass
I shower daily to wash my ass and wipe with toilet paper and I have a bidet as well
its my life's mission to make my butt as poop-free as I possibly can and the times I live in afford me that ability more than any time in human history, it's only uphill from here for me

>crusade summer camp with the boys
>come home to your loliwife and put 8 kids in her
>spend way less time working than the modern man on an easy job you inherited with no pressure
>drink beer and celebrate with a tight knit village often

>>81607977
The modern slaves in the west have something that ancient slaves could only dream of: the right to come and go as they please. The right to leave their work behind and look for a better life elsewhere.
You don't know the value of those things like a rich kid who was brought up in luxury doesn't know the true worth of gold. You take it for granted.

>>81607991
>>crusade summer camp with the boys
>Die from a minor wound
You guys are so delusional. You have the world at your fingertips and you still think that if only you could go back to the dark ages, you would have friends

>>81607991
>pointless holy war waged by your mad king against a different mad king in which all of your friends from childhood died horribly and you lost one of your limbs
>come home to your wife and put 1 kid in her and then she dies in childbirth
>work from dusk till dawn on a job you don't enjoy and if you don't do a good enough job you get your fucking head cut off and no you can't do anything else
>drink one too many beers and die from shitting yourself

>>81607764 (OP)
You're fucking retarded and have no clue about the past.

>>81607920
People weren't "shit covered" in the past millenia.

>>81607991
>loliwife
Weren't a thing
>put 8 kids in her
Most would die in childbirth before that

>>81608051
They were definitely shit stained though

>>81607980
>What purpose? Dying in a war of conquest?
unironically yes, that was a very real purpose for a lot of people in that era. do you know why, because it was an honorable and respectable way to live, people wanted to fight for their nation because they were proud of their nation and willingly fought to protect/expand it. war has always been a central part of human society. apart from military roles, there were of course all of the others that are needed to keep a nation running as well.
>You have freedom, and you take it for granted
i cannot do any of the things i want to do, and the way human society has progressed towards leaves hardly anything that i want to do. how is that freedom?

>>81608000
you do know there are actual slaves around today, right? im talking about ones that do not have the right to come and go as they please. actual slaves.

Fuck no it wasn't. I would rather live in modern times than in the 13th century.

>>81608066
>that was a very real purpose
A really shitty purpose. Having a shitty purpose is bad. If your life has no purpose that's kinda your fault.
You can't take responsibility for anything, can't you? You must blame the times

>>81608066
>because it was an honorable and respectable way to live, people wanted to fight for their nation because they were proud of their nation and willingly fought to protect/expand it.
Completely ignorant take. You have never really read anything about medieval knights accounts, have you?
People fought because the alternative was being executed for desertion. They didn't fight with pride. They fought with fear. You are romanticizing the past, like all incels do

>if i lived in medieval times i wouldn't have to stay inside all the time and i could actually go out
What the fuck about modern times is preventing you from going outside? If it's what you want to do that's your business but you have to own up to it. You can't willfully choose to dedicate your time to going on the Internet and playing video games instead of putting yourself out there and then have this defeatist attitude of "if I just lived in medieval times things would be different".

>>81608066
>cannot do any of the things i want to do
What are those things? You can 100% fight in a war if you were remotely serious about your ideals, which you aren't

>>81608057
No people liked to be clean and washed themselves and their things.
Also why sewage systems were common.

>>81608066
Nations didn't even exist back then, they are a very modern concept.

>>81608066
>i cannot do any of the things i want to do
I promise you you not only can but you are more capable of doing the things you want now than ever before in human history
>marry a woman
congratulations you live in a period of time where most marriages aren't arranged but are chosen, you can just go out and find a wife rather than pray you're simply born into a family with influence worthy of a marriage arrangement
>go to war
thanks to video games you can simulate the sensation of battle without being stabbed in the asshole
>work a job
i promise you some shitty 9-5 is not worse than being a medieval serf no matter how much you've romanticized the idea of serfdom in your head

>>81607764 (OP)
>Things were better in Ancient Rome
Even if that was true and life in Ancient Rome was just like some movie or videogame you've seen, and you got to be a kick-ass gladiator and fuck slave girls wearing revealing togas, what is the point of this speculation? You're not going to get to live in Ancient Rome. There is no time machine. What do you gain by brooding over this fantasy of living thousands of years in the past?

>>81608179
>romanticized the idea of serfdom
Wait you don't want to be owned by another person without having the right to move away and having to work on his fields? Let alone that person having full legal oversight of you and being your judge, jury and executioner to the point you cant even marry without their agreement?
Damn that's crazy.

>>81607764 (OP)
I'm so bored. I've been looking into HEMA so I can live my knight daydream a little.

>>81608153
>No people liked to be clean and washed themselves and their things.
Obviously nobody likes being covered in shit. Nobody here is claiming that medieval people were oblivious to shit or enjoyed being covered in shit. But they lived in a time where soap was more of a rarity, and was just pure tallow and ash and smelled just as bad as the shit that was being cleaned. They lived in a time without the showers or toilets of today. None of them had bidets or wet wipes. Food sanitation didn't exist. They didn't have fridges. They didn't have sinks in their kitchens. There were flies everywhere, all of them were getting into the shit that was everywhere so even if you cleaned yourself of it, there'd still be flies spreading it all over and not much to do about it.

The on average % of shit on people's clothes, or just on their skin, or in their food in microbial form, is significantly lower today than it's ever been in human history

>>81607764 (OP)
Correct. Western liberal "democracy" turned the world to shit.

>>81608066
pretty good bait lmao
8.7/10

>>81607980
>What purpose? Dying in a war of conquest?
didnt happen often
> Being persecuted by religious zealots?
only happened to weirdo satanists

>>81607764 (OP)
most of my ancestors were farmers living in the middle of nowhere surrounded by either fields or some big forest, it's pretty debatable how much better i would have had it back then

>>81607764 (OP)
>no cars
>no energy drinks
That's gonna be a no from me dawg

>>81607972
If you eat the right foods, then you'd have a self cleaning asshole. Modern foods are what make us have shitty asses. Plus you could have slaves to lick your ass clean, and you could be some girl's ass licking slave

>>81607764 (OP)
>In the past when you would have been forced to fight for your country and die life was better for me
>NO I WILL NOT DIE FOR THE JEWS!!!!

Which is it?
Too many retards on this board.

>>81610503
im not sure that everyone was forced to fight. what happens if you enlist most of the farmers?
everyone starves because the classes are reliant on eachother

>>81607764 (OP)
The Pleistocene was the best time to be a human.

>>81607764 (OP)
What we seem to forget is how immoral we humans are. We like to preach about how we should treat everybody and each and every race equal, yet then we literally murder and castrate billions of animals so that we can ignorantly consume their meat.
So yeah, we are natural predators with very high proactive aggression, and there is a natural hierarchy reigning over all of us, even though the modern world is attempting to deny this.
We are just another animal on this planet. I don't think war would be so bad. In all honesty, almost every human being is capable of unfathomable carnage. I actually think that we men are designed to be disposable.
I dont see how slaying and raping a whole village is so much worse than keeping billions of animals in small enclosures.
I am not argumenting for animal rights, I just think there is nothing inherently wrong about mass killings and wars

>>81607764 (OP)
You're gonna start with this shit again? Put the excel sheet in the bag.

>>81607764 (OP)
i want arranged marriages to be a thing again so some pleb can purchase me from my father and i wont have to die a lone femcel

>>81610578
also, nothing inherently wrong about a strongly hierarchical and elitistic society. We treat the weaker elements of our society (animals) like shit. What should stop us from gassing the retards and elderly, from gassing those unproductive, from using most man as disposable labor ?
Perhaps, the only thing that stops us is the inherent dignity of an individual who can measure up to other human beings. Why did the common individual attain the right to live a dignifying existence ? Is it perhaps the abundance of resources in the modern world ?

>>81610494
>Plus you could have slaves to lick your ass clean, and you could be some girl's ass licking slave
>>81607954
See anon is what having a scat fetish looks like

>>81610494
>a self cleaning asshole
I can't fucking take it

>>81607764 (OP)
You can't power through most serious diseases anon. It literally is a hard counter to most living beings.
Like don't get me wrong I'd love to be in a mercenary company in 15-17th century Europe, travelling and fighting with the boys looting and raping whatever we get our hands on and winning everlasting glory. But the starvation, dysentery and other horrible dieases and dying from an infected wound sounds pretty awful. Not to mention the dental care at the time. Granted I have amazing teeth but all it takes is one cavity rotting the tooth and giving you an abscess and you're dead.

>>81610769
Also the sheer amount of ticks, fleas and STDs you would have to deal with. Not to mention industrialization and vehicles had yet to decimate insect populations so enjoy flies and mosquitos everywhere.

>>81607764 (OP)
Im a loser now and would've been a loser then only difference is that i would've probably died back then

You'd still be a pedophile, incel racist who gets his ass kicked

>>81611345
No I'd have a crossbow and shoot you in the chest. No fighting needed

>>81610494
>if you eat the right foods, then you'd have a self cleaning asshole
what foods?

>>81611353
And they would be better at it. They'd do driveby crossbow shootings

>>81611359
Foods lost to us through time. All the recipes are lost too

>>81607764 (OP)
It's objectively the best time ever to live

>>81611353
>I'd have a crossbow
do you think the average medieval peasant just had a fucking crossbow lying around

>>81611381
>if you eat the right foods you'd have a self cleaning asshole
>what foods?
>yap yap yap lost to time (translation: "i don't know")
because like every other cunt on this thread you don't know the first thing about history
you just watched too many movies and played kingdom come deliverance and you've got this ultra-romanticized visual of history in your mind where things were just "better"

better how? fucked if you know. but you're just so sure they were, and that sure feels like it's almost as good as knowing
"The food back then was so much better! Sure it was unrefrigerated, the milk was unpasteurized, food standards didn't exist and you didn't have running water to clean anything with. But they had magical food that was just super healthy for you. The rampant disease of the time? The increased average lifespan since the invention of these things? Nonsense. Food was just better then!" you say to yourself, as you jerk off vigorously to your "aryan ideal" image folder

>>81612630
this is the whole problem with this whole thread and half the motherfuckers on it. you all just have this magical fantasy idea of what living "back then" was like. the fact that literally every actual historian living today all agrees that the contemporary era is without question the most affluent, the most healthy, and the most safe era in all of human history by a colossal fucking margin means NOTHING to you because things like affluence, health, and safety aren't at the top of your mind.

you all just have this idea that back then when you fought in wars it was righteous, that the work was easy and meaningful, and that it was easier to find a wife than it is today.
the wars were not righteous. they were wars fought between lunatic inbred kings. almost every medieval war is some nobles insane conquest or holy war.
the work was not meaningful. if you think wageslavery is bad, try to imagine working in a shitty field for 12 hours every day with no breaks, hardly any food, and the pay - the pay??? you think you're fucking getting paid????

>>81612680
and shocking as this might sound to the incel agenda, it is also easier for the average man to find a wife today than it would be back then

no lands? no farms? no title? good fucking luck finding a wife bud! because in today's dating scene a woman has the ability to choose her husband, which means she can choose based on personality compatibility, she can choose based on appearance, she can choose based on all manner of personal preference. but back then, a woman didn't choose her husband, her father did. and her husband was decided in the interest of furthering political goals.

that image you have in your mind, of the farmer's gorgeous daughter with blonde braided ponytail and big naturals? she's being offered up to kings and nobles who will further her family's status. her father isn't going to let her marry the charming blacksmith boy or the plucky squire, no matter how much she likes him.

but today, the gorgeous woman with the blonde braided ponytail and the big naturals can marry whoever she personally feels like, and that stands far more of a chance of being you today than it ever would back then.

>>81607764 (OP)
i have hot showers, cold air conditioning, icey chocolate banana nice cream while i watch cartoons, and i get to top femgirls regularly

how was it better for past men?

>>81607772
i spent a big chunk of yesterday outside. with friends in a shaded area next to the river, not getting hit directly by ugly rays. they showed me a secret tree complex (way more than just a singular treehouse) and then some other shenanigans

>>81607772
YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE NOW
YOU CAN GO TO THE PUB
YOU CAN GO TO THE PARK
YOU CAN GO FOR A WALK THROUGH THE WOODS
YOU CAN GO TO THE BEACH
YOU CAN GO FOR DINNER
YOU CAN GO TO THE MOVIES
THE SPLENDOR OF LIFE IS PASSING YOU BY AND YOU ARE MISSING IT TO REMINISCE ABOUT A TIME YOU WEREN'T EVEN ALIVE FOR

>>81607920
I think Freud would have a ting or two to say about this post

>>81612805
the park here is full of deer flies and suburban folk who get spooked by me, and i can't afford and extra trips this week. i have $5 in my bank account until the end of the month (unemployed and autismbux only get me so far)

>>81607972
Toilet paper was invented because of the lack of plumbing and running water on the American frontier, not because nobody knew how to clean themselves. Read a book nigger.

>>81612706
>no lands? no farms? no title? good fucking luck finding a wife bud!
that describes 99% of all people in those days, if you weren't noble you didn't have any of that
yet somehow most of them had wives and many children
curious

>>81612706
During the max extend of the Roman state more than 70% of the population was slave and they were fucking and reproducing faster than the citizen and freemen. You make it sound like these medieval fathers were practicing some high end 19 century eugenics with their daughters.

>>81612630
The age of consent was lower and men were more ambitious since they were incentivized by prime young pussy, leading to superior digestion of the food, leading to the self cleaning asshole. Not getting prime pussy causes the body to punish itself by creating shit paste and smearing shit around the asshole.

>>81613152
Im not saying they didnt have wives, Im saying your ultra-romanticized fantasy of that time because your wife would be Brumhilda the fat tits farmgirl is a delusional fantasy. Your wife is Agatha, she is one legged and illiterate and also your mother. Together you have five children, four of them die before they turn 10 and only one of them lives to see adulthood. He becomes a knight and dies shitting himself on the road on the way to his first battle. Brumhilda is giving the king a footjob and does not even know you exist.

>>81607764 (OP)
>OP's image shows Roman times
>everyone itt describing some generic fantasy version of the middle ages
This is a silly thread, and OP's post is obvious bait. It's being kept going by clever trolls writing ridiculous explanations of why things were better in the time of Game of Thrones, and people getting so outraged at the sheer stupidity of the trolls arguments that they don't realize they're being trolled.

HOWEVER, imagine a time in the future when everyone lives to be 300 years old, all diseases have been cured, and they have nanobots to wipe your ass after you shit. BUT everyone lives their entire lives in an apartment pod deep underground. Someone in that future world posts "Things were better in the old days, when people could go outside and actually feel the sun and the rain."

Every sensible citizen of the Future World starts replying "You're an idiot! Imagine dying in your 80s from cancer, or having to wipe your ass with a bit of paper! And if you actually went out in the rain you could get pneumonia and die! Or you could be hit by a car! Back then, every year thousands of people got hit by cars and died! Just look at this image of an urban tent city full of meth heads, that's how people lived back then! Imagine having to actually type out your posts instead of beaming them directly from your mind, etc., etc..."

Can you see where I'm going with this?
People in the old days didn't spend their days thinking "Fuck, when is someone going to invent electricity so I can have a refrigerator?" They didn't miss those things because they couldn't conceive of them.

>>81613791
>imagine all the school shootings

>>81613567
>your wife would be Brumhilda the fat tits farmgirl is a delusional fantasy.
yes i do believe a farmboy would marry a farmgirl i'm glad we agree
>Your wife is Agatha, she is one legged and illiterate and also your mother.
few women would be one-legged since they didn't go to war or operate heavy machinery and having one leg would make her dowry lower meaning she'd get married easier
>and illiterate
everyone was illiterate even most nobles
>and also your mother.
marrying your mother would have seen you both killed, having 5 kids with your mother would have you boiled in oil and then killed
> four of them die before they turn 10 and only one of them lives to see adulthood.
which is why you have 8 or more not 4 otherwise none of us would be here today due to high infant mortality
>He becomes a knight
a farmboy becoming a knight? not in this reality lmao
> Brumhilda is giving the king a footjob and does not even know you exist.
the king has an upper class wife and most likely a few upper class mistresses, he doesn't need a farmgirl
it seems that you're the one with a fantasy, a fucking weird and disgusting one too