Was he right after all?

>>81624712 (OP)
Jung did it better

>>81624712 (OP)
He didn't even say anything crazy, just observations. Of course he's right.

>>81624712 (OP)
He got some things wrong because he was limited by the technology of his time and asserted to psychological traits that have been proven to be biological

But overall he was right in lot of shit, his correlation to sexuality and relationship is very interesting

He was a Jew, and like all Jews, pervert everything and use their credentials as an appeal to authority. Then the Jewish education system forces him to be well know. It's all disgusting and dishonest.

>>81624799
You mean the jewish system that tries to discredit him all the time?

>>81624845
No I mean the Jewish system that forcefully makes all Jews and good goys a household name. Have you ever wondered why Einstein is part of the common lexicon and Tesla is reduced to a laughing stock? It's because the social culture which manufacturers personalities forcefully repeats dogma until the population barks like pavolovs dogs. It's Jewish forced cultural poison.

>>81624712 (OP)
>you want to fuck your mother and kill your father
No I don't. My father is based and my mother is hideous.

>>81624871
>Have you ever wondered why Einstein is part of the common lexicon and Tesla is reduced to a laughing stock
Is that some amerishart thing?

lol
don't you have work to do

>>81624871
I agree with Einstein being propped up by Jews but Tesla was a mentally ill sperg that brought being laughable upon himself despite being brilliant. The guy wanted to marry a pigeon and would only stay in hotel rooms with addresses that were multiples of 3.

>>81624712 (OP)
Nah, he was just an incestfag. trash tier fetish, trash tier contributions

>>81624712 (OP)
He was right about a lot of things and misguided on others but perhaps his biggest discovery was how much the pleasure and pain principle defines what we do and how early experiences shape and predict future pathologist.

He gets a lot of flak in modern times but its important to remember that he was basically on the ground floor with a lot of this.

Watson, Pavlov, and Skinner are also some big names that dont get enough recognition largely because behaviorism as a school of thought in psychology still causes a lot of booty hurt by people who insist on having metaphysics in psychology.

I would go so far as to say that the main reason people like Freud and to a lesser extent Jung are more popular is because people WANT there tk be metaphysics involved. They want psychology to be a quasi-religion instead of a hard science.

But as technology advances with our understanding of neurology it is behaviorism that is being vindicated in the end. Almost all modern therapy is based on behaviorism and psychoanalysis is now a very small fringe practice.

>>81625452
*pathologies
I like how because modern people are now so stupid that spellcheckers/correctors have now become equally as retarded because they do not predict or in some cases even have uncommon words in their database.

>>81624712 (OP)
The only work of Freud's I ever read was the death drive. I think he's fundamentally correct that a great number of people want to die, but his reasoning - people want to die because they evolved from organisms that wanted to die - was completely asinine. Other than that I mostly know him as the wacky guy who came up with the oedipus complex and penis envy.

>>81625473
I think death drive is more like some kind of subconscious realization that all the problems, worries, pains, bad memories, etc didn't exist until you were born and there's sort of a silent acknowledgement that in some cases the only real way to escape from all those painful sensations is to once again return to non-existence. This is part of the pain drive.

I've seen a lot of suicide videos from the ukraine war. It does seem that at a certain point when you are damaged enough to be in a sufficient amount of pain that most peoples fear of death kind of vanishes in preference for stopping the pain. I've seen people blowing themselves up with grenades, using razorwire to cut their own throats as well as knives, and of course the classic self inflicted gunshot wound. A lot of times they've had limbs blown off or they've been shot but occasionally you see people who don't look wounded just sort of give up, drop to their knees and shoot themselves. I've read stories from WW2 where German defenders on the Eastern front would stand on the top of trenches solely so that the enemy snipers would shoot them dead.

I think when you get right down to it the best way to alleviate a disproportionate fear of death is to expose yourself to more hardship and pain.

>>81625952
I think of it in a more suburban way. When I say "people want to die," what I mean is that they don't really engage in life-affirming activities. What do you do when you enjoy life? You try to experience new things. You might want to take up a hobby, learn something new, travel, socialize, etc etc. It seems to me like a great number of people have no interest in these sorts of activities. They are much more interested in things like social media, television, brainrotting video games, etc. I think that engaging with these sorts of activities is not dissimilar from being dead. In both cases you don't use any mental energy, and you're certainly not experiencing life. I think that a lot of people just putz around trying to deny life until they die. There are also entire religions and philosophies built on this; Buddhism's primary purpose is to reach "nirvana," which is not a heaven like many westerners believe. It's nonexistence. It's a religion for people who hate existence so much that they just want to get out of it.
None of this is to say that you're wrong, just that there are different perspectives on people's death drives.
>but you're on 4chan doing the same thing!
I know.

>>81626053
>What do you do when you enjoy life?
I think it's more does ones existence contain enough pleasure to offset the pain. Some people have more or less greater thresholds but I think that's what it comes down to. Now whether you find an activity pleasurable or not is another thing itself. But I think as long as people have some sort of acceptable equilibrium going in the sum total of their daily experience they can more or less keep it together. But knowing that you are going to suffer pointlessly with no respite or way out that's usually when you see people deciding to end it all. Hope or a possibility of escaping from a pleasure deficit or pain abundance can keep people going beyond what you'd expect but at some point everyone has their limits.

To your point I don't think it's those activities themselves
>social media, television, brainrotting video games, etc
That contain some death like quality which people then overgeneralize into a desire for death. Rather I think those people usually have other things going on wherein the pain in their life can no longer be offset by distracting pleasures which for one reason or another have stopped working. Either because the problem became too big to ignore or they became numb to the pleasurable distraction.

I think that's one of the things that makes Schizoids so fascinating. They are kind of like people who have developed a learned helplessness so severe that they aren't even affected as much by pleasure or pain. They sort of drift through life like purposeless zombies. They get to stay alive sure but many neutral observers of their lives would deem them not worth living. I think a lot of normal people feel that way about incels too to some extent. Can you imagine telling the average normie that from here on they would never have sex or be in a relationship ever again? I think a lot of them would rather kill themselves than deal with that.

>>81626197
I'm not confident that the death drive comes from suffering. I think the average person just doesn't really care about life. All that stuff I named under "life-affirming activities" takes effort. Most people would rather do nothing than expend effort.

>>81624712 (OP)
For his time, he got a lot of things right the wrong way, if that makes sense.
Feminists hate him because they know he was right in a lot of ways.

you don't want to know about that
things can also be going down

but mostly it's going insane

>>81626305
Animals don't need to do life affirming activities and they get through life just fine. In the few cases where animals have been observed self terminating it's either to try and save other members of the group through self sacrifice (pro social suicide, think soldier diving on top a grenade) or because they engage in self harming behavior that eventually kills them usually as a result of excess trauma or losing another animal that was close to them like a mate or offspring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicide

Which again traces back to the idea that it is based on pain. Or in the case of pro social suicide pain doesn't even factor in so much as providing an advantage to group survival. Which itself sort of distinguishes it from normal suicide because its self termination that serves a purpose other than simply trying to end ones own pain.

>>81626393
Well I think animals are just fundamentally different from people. And yeah, humans who don't affirm life do "get through it," but they're not really LIVING in a meaningful sense. That's why I think they're drawn to death.