i never felt like "one of the boys" and i never really felt masculine, in fact i hate masculinity and macho behavior. today i read this and something clicked, am i a tranny? i dont have much in common with most men at all.

>>81632197 (OP)
Just be yourself. All of this is cope. If you want to be gender nonconforming, then more power to you. Anyone that criticizes you is statistically more likely to be paranoid, so their life probably sucks.

Everyone should shut up about labels. Seriously just shut up. Don't call yourself a member of a group. All of this qualifier stuff is lame and helps nobody.

>>81632197 (OP)
If you watch how men behave to others especially each other and don't develop empathy and disdain for the male ego you're a monster

>>81632197 (OP)
No, it's a psychological trap, your brain is desperately searching for something that would explain your hopelessness and lack of solid self-identity.

>>81632197 (OP)
No, you're a man. It doesn't matter how you feel or what you think. Your sex is dependent on your genes, not your attitude, not what you wear, not what you think, not what you say, not what you do, not how you behave, not who you like. It's an objective thing.
>inb4 but gender
Gender is nothing but the grammatical application of a human's sex into word, nothing else. Gender identity is completely bogus and has no biological nor scientific basis.

>>81632197 (OP)
Male behavior made me troon out. Like you I never saw myself in any males, hell when I saw some men fighting or being angry and aggressive it just reminded me that I have nothing in common with them. Testosterone is a literal poison which turns you into aggressive, ugly, hairy ape. If you don't feel like a man I would suggest you to get on hrt, you can easily order it online.

>>81632262
Women treat each other almost infinitely worse than men. What's worse, unlike men, the same women who will cat a fat one beautiful and brave will immediately call her a disgusting loser behind her back. Most men are consistent with their behaviour.

>>81632335
>mental illness made me troon out
ftfy

>>81632335
All you had to do was learn mindfulness and self-control. Taking hormones and fucking up your libido while increasing your risk of cancer and permanently changing your body is giga stupid, you really aren't a good role model for someone like op.

>>81632386
Cancer risk is negligible and I feel much better and happier now so :-P

>>81632197 (OP)
>>81632262
I despise other men, and was never able to fit into male friend groups. I feel "masculine" in the sense that I see other men as competition for women, and want to inflict violence on them.

So I fully understand the instinct, but a lot of male behavior remains baffling to me. Why the fuck are you so cruel to young boys, your brothers, even your sons? Do you seriously think that will get you pussy?

Also like "bro, look at this bitch I want to fuck." Okay? Why are you telling me this? We know you're straight, man.

Yeah, but have you ever felt like one of the girls? Just because you don't fit with the average man doesn't mean you'll automatically do so with women.

>>81632461
You're gonna 41 yourself probably.

>>81632328
Literally this meme lmao. When I showed slightest feminine behavior before I was a pussy, not a man, girl, etc., but now that I am on hormones and pass and identfy as a woman I am suddenly a 100% a man? Fuck off.

>>81632488
>Why
Women. Every single behaviour you describe stems from an uncaring mother, whether they don't love their son, or don't care about them enough to raise them properly. I used to believe it was always the father's fault, but now that there's been a couple decades of single motherhood being completely accepted, the mask is off and the results are in - it doesn't matter if you have a father or not, if your mother doesn't love you, it's over.

t. elementary school teacher

>>81632328
>Gender identity is completely bogus and has no biological nor scientific basis
...says the random 4chan user contrary to the wealth of research and peer-reviewed studies on the topic.

>>81632515
Okay but I'm an advocate of gender nonconformism and I still think you're a man. You could be a feminine man but not a woman.

>>81632197 (OP)
exquisite lol @ the idea that women don't enjoy bullying people.

>>81632515
Literally the opposite. I'm telling you that a man is a man, and a woman is a woman, no matter what semantics people employ. Anyone saying "you like dolls? you're not man" is just as wrong as anyone saying "real man do XYZ". You are what you regardless of what people tell you. It's an inherent truth.
>identfy as
And this word itself proves it. You "identify" as something else. Just by using that word you're already acknowledging you know the fact, the truth, the reality - but you reject it anyway.

>>81632551
Yeah I don't understand where this "women are more caring and empathetic" meme comes from. Normgroids are sociopaths regardless of gender.

>>81632532
>contrary to the wealth of research and peer-reviewed studies
Post 5. I'll wait.

>>81632501
I was actually going to kill myself before trooning out, I was a incel with 0 friends or anything. After I transitioned my social life became much more active, I got lot of new friends and I got a (cis) gf.

>>81632550
99% of advocates of gender nonconformism fully support trans rights while 99% of transphobes support strict gender roles and hate on males who are even slightly gender nonconforming. People like you basically don't exist in real life. You are margin of error.
>>81632567
I said identify because when I considered myself a man I wasn't a man enough and now when I am fully feminine and consider myself a woman suddenly I am a man.

>>81632581
>After I transitioned my social life became much more active, I got lot of new friends and I got a (cis) gf.
How do Incel-to-tranny pipeliners stomach being in tranny communities? I'd kill myself from all the cringe and inauthentic behavior that seems so common in these places. I'm assuming you made most of your friends in LGBT adjacent communities.

>>81632532
NTA but gender identity isn't in the realm of science, it's philosophy
Modern progressives have completely forgotten where the theories predating gender identity came from (early radical feminism --> gender nonconformism --> performative theory of gender, etc.)
Somewhere at the start of the 21st century queer philosophy stagnated and a politically charged hugbox took its place because of the culture war. None of the troons you talk to understand the basics of social constructivism as a philosophical point, and they rely instead on these "peer-reviewed studies". The "studies" you're thinking of virtually all relate to mental health prognosis of gender-affirming care, which is unrelated. The fact that validating how somebody feels makes them happier doesn't actually prove any insane philosophical frameworks about gender.

>>81632197 (OP)
>>81632335
>>81632488
you guys NEED to be bent over and FUCKED in the ass

>>81632627
NTA but all I want is people to stop gaslighting. If you're a man that likes to wear make up and dresses and you're happier that way, go for it. I'll support your quest. Just don't try to enforce a lie as truth.
>when I considered myself a man I wasn't a man enough
>now when I am fully feminine and consider myself a woman suddenly I am a man.
No such thing as "considered a man" nor "man enough", you're a man no matter what.
>suddenly
You were always and will always be a man. It's your biological composition, which you can't change.

>>81632197 (OP)
>am i a woman?
No of course not. You are just a outcast loser.

>>81632652
No thanks! Don't lump me in with the troons

>>81632638
I made friends outside of queer communities too but to answer your question I just feel better and nicer in queer communities instead of incel ones. I am in more niche and self aware queer communities so I didn't notice much cringe.

>>81632272
This anon gets it.

>>81632197 (OP)
Anon, you're just an effeminate faggot. It doesn't mean you're gay or a tranny.

>>81632736
i am straight and not that effeminate, I just don't see myself in masculinity.

>>81632752
>I'm not THAT effeminate
>I am not masculine
Effeminate faggot as I said. You need to get over yourself. Unless you have a small dick

>>81632715
>I made friends outside of queer communities too
Hmm curious. Would you say that prior to trooning, you were too shy to make friends? Did making friends in queer communities give you the icebreaker effect that you needed to make friends in other communities perhaps?

>>81632197 (OP)
You're confused about what a man is. Being a man isn't defined by your personality configuration, it's defined by the type of gametes your organism produces. You can have a personality that's falls far from the average man's, but you're still a fucking man. Look at all the feminine faggots out there. They're still men. You can be the most effeminate faggot on the planet, but it doesn't make you not a man, because it's completely tangential to manhood.

>>81632783
>Look at all the feminine faggots out there. They're still men
Lol. Lmao even. This is what biological essentialism reduces you to; saying power faggots are men. Just because they aren't women doesn't make them men either you faggot

>>81632773
>Did making friends in queer communities give you the icebreaker effect that you needed to make friends in other communities perhaps?
I think this, I was shy and introverted before.

>>81632794
You've been brainwashed by leftists and tranny grooming propaganda. Sex has to do with the topological proximity of an organism to ones of the same species that produce a certain kind of gametes: large or small ones. It has nothing to do with your personality.

>>81632819
B-b-but anon. Muh manly man delusion I hold onto to make up for my complete lack of a personality.

>>81632819
>you've been brainwashed by trannies and groomers into thinking faggots aren't men
>no it doesn't matter that you think they're not women either
>yes, of course I'd know all this autistic shit about genetic sexual identifiers if it weren't for leftists
>I'm not brainwashed you are
Okay anon.

>>81632839
>immediately copeposting in reply to himself
The. Absolute. State.

>>81632819
>You've been brainwashed by leftists and tranny grooming propaganda
men calling less masculine men faggots and not real men existed long before "leftist and tranny propaganda"

>>81632752
That's because "(traditional/popular) masculinity" is retarded on so many levels it's almost comedic
a social construct invented and perpetuated (by men and women) to brainwash men into being subservient and expendable slaves
A "masculine man" is not a human. He is a dehumanized object. A tool for industry and war.

Women never need to contend with these expectations or extremes, they are valued by society for simply existing.

>>81632851
Haven't you got a bible to thump and a underage relative to molest tradcuck?

>>81632895
>the faggot calling someone else a pedophile
kek

>>81632197 (OP)
Typical foidbrain only recognizing abusechad as a human male. Maybe trannys really are women.

>>81632901
>Closet queer sees faggotry everywhere.
Looks like my lack of personality comment was spot on.

>>81632488
Fucking lmao you think you're a tranny because you find frat bros and douchebags' behavior disgusting? That's normal dumbass, that's what you're supposed to feel. They're the ones who are in the wrong.

Having empathy and caring about other human beings doesn't make you a woman. Get better friends holy shit.

>>81632914
>in a thread about a low t loser asking whether he is really a girl
>wtf how are you noticing so many fags in here

>>81632928
Does your boyfriend know you're posting? Go back to bed he misses your tender touch.

>>81632921
See:
>I feel "masculine" in the sense that I see other men as competition for women, and want to inflict violence on them.
I'm not a troon, I still have normal male instincts. It just kinda fucks with your identity to not fit in with your same-sex peers, as a pubertal boy

>>81632921
>Fucking lmao you think you're a tranny because you find frat bros and douchebags' behavior disgusting?
Straight men don't find that behavior disgusting. In fact they celebrate it and imitate it. If you are a male and find that behavior disgusting you are either trans or some other type of queer.

>>81632946
Why do you want to fit in with dudes you clearly don't like?

>>81632914
>heh... you must be a closet queer with no personality to see fags everywhere
>btw you are gay
Kek. The projection

>>81632962
Or are older than 15 or not a complete spaz.

>>81632964
Because I wanted friends? You don't get to be
choosy in primary and secondary school

>>81632851
This post is incoherent. Take the tranny dick out of your mouth and try again, faggot.
>>81632856
Men in conservative spaces might say that they think you're not a real man, but it's not the same as saying you're not a man. Obviously they will tell you that sex is determined by the reproductive function of your organism. You're conflating two different things. Don't be disingenuous.

>>81632971
All that time to post a comback that weak. You may not be gay, but you sure are a faggot.

>>81632982
Nobody likes the desperate doormat anon, male or female.

>>81632989
See? Now you're starting to get it

>>81632985
Unlike this autistic retard who thinks he isn't a brainwashed contrarian

>>81632998
I believe you don't seems to get that I'm agreeing with you? Or havr we both lost the plot?

>>81632997
I. was. a. kid. Give that little nigga a break

>>81633012
Maybe we're all retarded

>>81632998
Brainwashed by what, retard? By the scientific consensus? You're the faggot that's trying to shill for pseudoscience. I'll tell you this much: none of the problems in your life exist because you have the label of a man. You're just attaching it to it, because it's easy and convenient.

>>81633017
You trooned out no? Claimed it helped you make friends? So explain to me how you haven't carried that mentality into adulthood.

>>81632197 (OP)
I don't really care
NEXT

>>81633030
I'm beginning to think that the maybe in that sentence is redundant.
Truly we are brothers in spazdom.

>>81633040
You have me confused with >>81632335
I'm a friendless straight incel

>>81633039
You were brainwashed into learning all this shit nobody cares about. I don't need to know about chromosomes or gametes to know what a man and a woman are. You think that because you're saying what is correct that you're any better than the retards you're arguing against. Two sides, same coin.

>>81632977
>a complete spaz
aka straight man on testosterone

>>81632652
Are you Black with a big juicy cock? I'm wide open for you

>>81633060
Ah ok, but the main thrust of my point was you shouldn't compromise on yourself to "fit in" with others.
Being a weirdo outcast myself some of my best friends have been weird as fuck.

>>81633076
Feminist or self hating man?

>>81632197 (OP)
You were born into a body that isn't fit to thrive in that environment, so you quit in hopes of having an easier time

>>81633062
>You were brainwashed into learning all this shit nobody cares about.
What? So coming across what those terms are actually defined as is being brainwashed? What do you think being brainwashed means, you dumb faggot?
>I don't need to know about chromosomes or gametes to know what a man and a woman are.
You do. Because what males and females are is defined by the branches of science that study organisms. You may at best think that you know what those terms mean, but you don't actually know. You just lack the intellectual humility to realize it.
>You think that because you're saying what is correct that you're any better than the retards you're arguing against.
Yes? Are you fucking stupid? I'm genuinely baffled by how retarded you are.

>>81633128
>science tells me what to think :)
Okay faggot.

>>81633156
We have established normative terms for real world phenomena. Pointing that out when ideologues try to hijack them to give credence to their mutilation cult is a very reasonable thing to do. You're floundering, faggot.

>>81633176
>wordswordswords
Shut up pussy ain't nobody reading all that shit

>>81633210
Seething this hard only wakes you look worse. It's like you can't help but dig yourself deeper into a hole.

>>81633232
You probably suck big Black cocks with pool chlorine on them

>>81633232
>the autistic thinks it's a debate on 4chan
>doesn't realise he's getting dismissed with maymays

>>81633251
Only one of us has been sucking dick throughout this interaction, and it ain't me, buddy.
>>81633257
>waaah waahhh, it wasn't serious because I got btfoed! :((( I was only meming you guys!! waah
Pathetic. Be a man and own up to it.

>>81633210
>>81633232
what are you retards arguing over lmao?

>>81633282
We're arguing whether you're a tranny, and it's not looking good for you at the moment

>>81633278
Uhm ackshually I don't have to engage in any activity to prove my manhood because I was born with sexual characteristics defined as male by some faggot in a lab coat. Checkmate trannies and leftists

>>81633210
>Unga bunga words are too hard

>>81633282
Who fucking cares it's 4chan the whole point of this place is to blow off steam by acting retarded

>>81633296
Fuck you're smart anon

>>81633298
See, you're getting it. I'm glad I could deradicalize you.

>>81633308
Don't make me dominate you to prove myself right

>>81632197 (OP)
>i dont have much in common with most men at all.

Yes you do.

Every single trans person I've ever known (and I know a disproportionate amount of them because of the weirdo nerd circles I hang in) 100% thinks like their birth sex but lives in total denial because they came to view themselves as a failed man or failed woman.

You are not failing to be a man by being disinterested in sports.
You are not failing to be a man by not being fascinated by the history and future of warfare.
You are not failing to be a man by being interested in fashion, or poetry, or cooking, or dollmaking, whatever the fuck it is is that makes you think you don't have much in common with most men.

The reality is that millions of men have been like this for centuries, and it was only in the last 10-20 years that we saw a massive uptick in the number of them deciding they needed to 'become a woman' (an impossible task).

>>81632515
1998 'You're not a man' is a complaint that you are failing to fulfil a role that you ought to.

2022 'You're a man' is a complaint that you are denying the physical reality of the world.

These are very different complaints. The 1998 complaint is the cry a someone who demands conformity. The 2022 complaint is the cry of someone who demands objectivity.

A conformist may repeat the 2022 complaint, but one who demands objectivity would not repeat the 1998 complaint.

>>81633315
So far you've only been proving yourself left, with how much of a faggot you've been

>>81633323
>You are not failing to be a man by being disinterested in sports.
>You are not failing to be a man by not being fascinated by the history and future of warfare.
>You are not failing to be a man by being interested in fashion, or poetry, or cooking, or dollmaking, whatever the fuck it is is that makes you think you don't have much in common with most men.
Yes you are faggot lmao. You sound effeminate as fuck, you will never be a man.

>>81633330
Legit lolled. Good one anon

>>81633336
Based

>>81633336
Wow, compelling argument! Oh wait, you forgot to make one.

>>81633395
You are just a liberal from 10 years ago, coping faggot. Everyone knows what a man is and what a man does. Man does not play with dolls, cook or fashon. Women do that/.

>>81632962
Eat a bullet.

>AMAB Enby Transfem

Do people get off on creating these labels? It has to be some form of narcissism.

>>81633459
There is nothing wrong with being trans buddy

>>81633442
All the best dollmakers are men
All the best chefs are men
All the best fashion designers are men

Try again faggot.

>>81633481
>It has to be some form of narcissism.

It is.

They need ever more granular, ever more hyper-specific labels for themselves to make them feel as special and unique as possible. The few people use the same label, the more special they are.

The uniqueness of these labels, however, is completely imaginary.

AMAB Enby Transfem means 'A man in a dress who isn't so deluded as to call himself a woman but still won't admit the fact that he's just a crossdresser.'

>>81633323
You are being insincere, like every bitch-made conservative on this subject. You have a different definition of a word and that makes you unbiased and objectively correct. Then, you feel vindicated in denying reality because "I am right, and they are wrong". I assume your conclusion based on a flawed premise informs your "opinion" about people's rights concerning this issue. I could be wrong, but I have come to understand your "objectiveness" as a predilection for "objecting" rather than being unbiased. I'm right, right?

>>81632237
Gender conforming is not a thing, that's troon shit and the reason troons are so annoying, trying to make gender an important thing other than who to copulate with.

If you are a man that hates men, prove women men can improve, don't force yourself into homosexuality degeneracy

>>81634283
>All the best dollmakers are men
>All the best chefs are men
>All the best fashion designers are men
cope faggot

>>81635268
Huh!? Such inhuman speed!... Wait, you are replying to my other comment.

This is unintelligible. I have no idea what you are saying. My stance is helpful with more than gender. Group-think can be a problem. Be careful which groups you allow yourself into. Labels are inevitable, but you should try to avoid them.