I don't think there is anything that could convince me out of this, my ultimate dream is for me and my wife to lose our virginities to each other, there is no other thought that fills me with the same calm happiness. I want her to be mine and I want to be hers, really that's the meaning of life to me.

>I'll have it perfect like I want
>Or I'll have nothing
*sigh* you'll get nothing boy

>>81632913
I'm pretty open minded in almost every other aspect little buddy, but I won't settle for a non-virgin.
There are things worth compromising on, virginity is not one of them for me, if I did that I would only cause suffering for myself.

>>81632934
There's nothing remotely "open minded" about a dude who puts virginity on such a high pedestal.
Life is very far from your idealized dreams. Don't be like other incels. It's not worth it.

>>81632913
>Noooo, you've to choose someone that doesn't fill your standards then be unhappy and since you're unhappy your wife also is unhappy and she divorce rapes you while taking the kids away
People forget how serious marriage/relationships are. It'll influence your future way more than your career

>>81632934
>I won't settle for a non-virgin.
Are you prepared to live a life of loneliness?
You are cause suffering for yourself by having a standard you can't afford

>>81632957
I think you're the one who doesn't get what relationships are truly about (companionship) if you put all of its onus on a hymen
You don't want a relationship. You just want a trophy

>>81632957
You're unhappy now, and it's not because you settled, quite the opposite, it's because you refuse to.

>>81632951
I don't know what's so idealised about wanting to marry another virgin. It's hardly impossible, I ask myself would I rather be single forever or date a non-virgin and the answer every time is I'd rather be single, this is one thing I am fundamentally unwilling to compromise on.
>>81632957
Yeah I don't get the career focused shit, who cares? The only things I care about in a job is that it pays okay, leaves me enough free time and it isn't something that would make me want to kill myself.

>>81632994
>you're unhappy because you disagree with me
What's this mental illness called?

>>81632862 (OP)
I feel you OP. Used women are fucking disgusting. Imagine loving a woman that other guys fucked and degraded and cummed on.
Even the most bluepilled cuck has to concede it would be better if their GF/wife wasn't ran through by other guys.

>>81633005
>I'm not unhappy
>bitching about virginity on the incel board
denial is the most predictable of all human reactions

>>81632934
what are you open minded about? appearance or personality?

>>81632994
I gave up on finding a virgin at some point, dated a BPD stacylite who left me with trust issues, things never really clicked after that again.

>>81633011
>loving a woman that other guys fucked
that makes it hotter

>>81632975
I would cause much more suffering for myself if I forced myself to date a non-virgin, being single forever is just sort of neutral, dating a non-virgin is a living nightmare hell for me.
>>81632986
You're dumb. I want a relationship with someone who chose to save herself for me, I want the close exclusivity with that person.

>>81633020
you never dated anybody, virgin boy

>>81633019
A lot of things, if she wants to work or be a stay at home mom it doesn't matter, as long as she's not too obese it's fine with me. I'm open to a lot of things.

>>81632994
I'm not particularly unhappy though, I'm just neutral. Also, as I've said, there are some things that are not worth settling on, because being stuck in a bad relationship is worse then being single.

>>81633013
Okay, anon, so happy people never complain about anything?
If you play a bad game and you make a post saying it sucks suddenly you're unhappy?

>>81632862 (OP)
I'm a non virgin who married a virgin girl. It's pretty good because she's only had my cock inside her. The downside is that there is a level of excitement to fucking a slut and just knowing she's a dirty whore, hearing her tell you how she has been used and how she loved it while you pound her from behind. Sometimes it's extremely hot.

I also want to buy her a dildo to fuck her little pussy with but that then is ruining one of the big perks of a virgin: she'll know what it's like to have something else inside her

>>81633028
>would cause much more suffering for myself if I forced myself to date a non-virgin
More suffering than a life of solitude? I doubt that

>>81633143
>married a virgin
>still on the incel board
Ok mr robot we believe you

>>81633028
>want a relationship with someone who chose to save herself for me,
That's pretty dumb, anon, because you're not really saving yourself, you're just incapable of scoring. So it's really an asymmetrical standard. You're not a hot prince to demand so much as a little virgin wife

im a virgin fembot but i think its a little weird if someone had a fetish for my virginity like that

>>81633164
Been on 4chan since 2006. Would you believe I also have a full time job? The place has been getting worse but it's still the only place where you can shit post without creating an account.

Anyway, my post still stands. Love you anon

>>81633104
>I'm not particularly unhappy though
You are, though.

>>81633174
Never give your virginity away to any incel. Save it for chad. Trust me, it's worth more.

>>81633177
>trying to prove himself anonymously
literally a virgin pretending to be married and an oldfag

>>81633143
Based. In the past it was normal for guys to have a pure wife on one side while they also fuck prostitutes on the other side to enjoy the whore experience. Freud also wrote about this. Should be normalized again.

>>81633174
Even if he's a khhv?

>>81633121
>happy people never complain about anything?
They definitely don't complain about virgin standards on the incel board

>>81633041
It lasted almost 3 years.

>>81633247
never happened, incel spawn

>>81633226
Okay :)

>>81633235
Tbh I'm not sure if I'd want this because it would hurt her and I love her but fuck if it wouldn't simplify my sex life immensely
>have disgusting degenerate sex with sluts
>make love to pure waifu

>>81633246
I mean who is happier.
>Hey! A vagina, yay
>Hey! A vagina, yay
>Hey! A vagina, yay
Or this
>why can't I meet a girl who is pure and sweet who I love with all my heart
I think it's pretty obvious who the normie is, and who's going to struggle

>>81633154
Then you don't understand how I feel at all.
>>81633173
That is untrue, I've had opportunities to have casual sex and I've had a gf before. Also, I don't have to be an adonis to only want to date another virgin.
>>81633174
It's not really a fetish since I don't get sexual excitement thinking about it, I would just feel the most comfortable with another person like that.
>>81633182
I am not thoughever.

>>81633300
Anon can you answer an honest question? What size is your pp

>>81633258
It was a long time ago anon. For a while, I thought I had ascended, the ugly reality is she had a lot of resentment and hurt about her prior bfs and took it out on me. We didn't get past it. Anyways. Stop being a cringe spammer, you're embarrassing yourself. Nobody is going to updoot you here for roasting losers. You might as well act like a human rather than an posturing internet tard.

>>81633328
6.5 inches long 5.3 around
If you're trying to insinuate that I want a virgin partner because I'm insecure about my penis size, you are incorrect and also very unoriginal.

>>81633273
Personally I've been doing it for a few years and my GF hasn't found out. If you are good at covering your tracks it doesn't have to hurt her if she doesn't find out. The emotional highs I get from fucking these whores and then cuddling with her later are amazing. Really helps me to cope with the stress of my job because I often work overtime long hours (which also helps cover for me).
But I don't know your specific situation so I am not sure if it's possible for you to pull it off too.

>>81633357
That's generally the reason. We're about the same size (exactly the same if you aren't bullshitting) and I've still got insecurities about my size. Why do you want a virgin?

>>81633387
As I said I'm married and I really wouldn't want to hurt her. Even if she didn't find out I'd rather be sexually frustrated than guilty.

She acts slutty enough sometimes but I know she's just trying her best. Maybe I will get her a dildo one day.

What do you do with the sluts that you can't do with your gf?

>>81633013
Nobody is happy all the time, not even literal retards

>>81633387
>The emotional highs I get from fucking these whores and then cuddling with her later are amazing
This is just narcissistic supply from thinking you're clever for working the system. What you're missing is a sense of personal honor

>>81633391
I want to marry a virgin because the thought of doing so makes me very happy and comfortable and the thought of being with a non-virgin is dreadful. It's a feeling I have deep down, you might as well ask me why I'm not gay. If I'm going to date anyone I want them to be mine and only mine and I also want to only belong to them.

>>81633357
Mine is 6.9 long and 6 around and I only want a virgin too
Those people love trying to find your "insecurity" and say you want a virgin because of that

>>81633468
These aren't reasons anon. They're feelings elicited by reasons. What are the reasons

>>81633505
My reason is that I feel this way.
What's your reason for not being gay?

>>81633706
Are you a fucking woman?
>my feefees are all the justification I need
Absolute brainlet

>>81633732
>men are rational and women are emotional
Sorry to inform but you're the brainlet. Humans aren't entirely emotional nor entirely rational

>>81633764
>Humans aren't entirely emotional nor entirely rational
>His basis for wanting a virgin is entirely emotional
Lol

>>81633782
>Less STDs
>Longer relationships
>Better marital fidelity
>Happier marriage
>Deeper emotional bonds
>Better pair bonding

What more do you want? I don't particularly care much about those points but if you want to discuss rationally then nonvirgins are in an even worse spot. Literally every single positive stats in a marriage is tilted towards virgin women and the only possible cope against it is "correlation, not causation"

>>81634017
So why did it take you 30 minutes to post a rational response?

Do you think it's important you remain a virgin? If not, why? Do you watch pornography? If so, would it bother you if your virgin wife-to-be consumed pornography

>>81633732
The way you cling to logic is illogical itself, humans are emotional creatures, everything we do stems from our emotions.
>>81634040
That's some other guy, OP here, my rationale is that I want to maximize my comfort and happiness, which means satisfying my emotional needs. I don't care if she's watched porn, it's an entirely different thing compared to having sex with someone.

>>81633174
Weird is a buzzword. You have no real rationale for why you disagree.
Also its not about a fetish, but I can understand your confusion since you are surrounded by whores and manwhores. Is tradition a fetish? Mormons? Religion? Ideals?

>>81632862 (OP)
Based, if youre a virgin you should have a virgin gf/wife, its only natural. More men should have this mindset, boycott women until they stop being sluts

it should be illegal to kill or eat animals. our species became sentient one day and banned slavery and rape. why can't it ban animal killing? eat a fucking beans Burger you pussy

>>81634374
Do you care what kind of pornography she watches/has watched

>>81634469
I wouldn't date someone who watches child porn so kind of?
I would also expect her to stop watching porn once we are together.

>>81634494
You strike me as a zoomer. Are you

>>81634040
>Do you think it's important you remain a virgin?
Well, yes. It's hypocritical to ask for a virgin while not being a virgin yourself
>If not, why?
There's some grains of truth that men are less affect by fucking around but that doesn't justify it
>Do you watch pornography?
Yes, only solo or lesbian. I already tried nofap but it doesn't changed anything. If you can't put down porn then there's a problem and I don't think watching porn in a relationship is good either
>If so, would it bother you if your virgin wife-to-be consumed pornography
No, unless it's cuck shit. Of course after getting in a relationship I'd hope she didn't watch it, just like I wouldn't

>>81634522
>No, unless it's cuck shit
What if it was BBC shit? Or spitroasting

>>81634517
Yeah, I'm 24.

>>81634533
BBC is almost synonymous with cuck shit from what I heard, but if it's "normal" then who cares. I also watch black women(any type of race anyway)
Of course, the best is if my future virgin wife only ever wanted my dick, but that's beyond fairy tales and even if such person existed I don't have the right to ask for her since I also watch porn

>>81634667
And final question: what if she used sex toys but was a virgin? Is that ok

>>81634710
Yes, if not what's next? Not even your own finger would be allowed?
Of course, if it's some tentacle 12 inch shit then it's a "red flag"

>>81634733
So if she is spending a couple of days a week bouncing on a 7x6 plastic cock, how is that better than bouncing on a 5x5 real cock?

>>81634876
Just revert that logic and you'll see how retarded it is. Fucking plastic pussy a couple days a week is the same as fucking real pussy?

>>81634942
Men and women are not the same anon. Your faulty logic is that you're treating them as though they are. Your cock can't get squashed smaller by tight plastic pussy but a dildo bigger than you will stretch her out and she'll remember how that feels

>>81632913
Old used up hag in da buildinggggg

>>81632951
There's nothing there but retardness, the guy imagines that it will be like a movie filled with sparks or something.

No dude, your first time will suck because you're unskilled at sex and so is she. All you will feel is the regret of those wasted years for such a stupid trait

>>81632862 (OP)
I always wonder what happens if the two finally find one another but it still doesn't work out? Whats the ratio of them having dead bedroom and hating eachother but just staying together because its all they know and what they've staked so much of their identity on, or if they just break up and date someone else or off themselves? There doesn't seem to be much reliable data on this from unbiased sources though.

>>81635369
Not even close, even if it's an awkward first time that's fine, I'll still be happy just based on the fact that I got to share such a special intimate experience with her and if there's anything I won't ever regret, it's not taking part in casual sex.

>>81635369
>the guy imagines that it will be like a movie filled with sparks or something
Literally no one believes that. You guys can't discuss without strawmanning. The beauty is IN THE AWKWARDNESS, you both will learn together and slowly get to know what each other like. That's the point of a fucking relationship, to grow together and support each other, not having a complete product

>>81635749
>>81635859
In reality you have wasted your prime years and now after all that time, and all the porn and masturbation that took place over the years, your perfect dream sex will feel tired, lackluster and overrated. It's simply not the same as losing your virginity while you're young. You missed out on that.
You will realize that all the waiting and anticipation was for naught: you're dead inside now and can barely feel anything. No virgin girl in the world will undo that damage.

>>81635937
Have you ever introspected on that thought and maybe considered that this is just a you problem?
You're so bitter about "missing out" on worthless casual sex that you can't look forward to the future and appreciate what you have in the moment?
I'll be fine no matter what happens, but maybe consider why you feel the need to spread your pessimistic delusions to other people?

>>81635749
You will regret wasting your youth being alone and celibate, maybe you already do. Cope

>>81635977
Why are you so mad? Does it seem like I'm the one coping here? Maybe you're just a bad person and you feel bad about it?

>>81635972
It's a fact of life. You got old. Things are no longer what they used to be. Specially since you spent years and years of your youth raping your brain with pornography.
In the end, even if you score that one in a million chance of losing your virginity to another virgin girl, you will realize in horror, that your dreams and expectations were frustrated by the harsh reality: you're an old man, with a broken old man's heart, dried up from solitude. The sex won't be anything like you dreamed of. It will be the disappointment of your life, not because of performance or anything, but because things are simply not the same as they were when you were young, full of libido and life. That's when you should have lost your virginity.
You missed out on that and now it's too late. Even in the arms of a virgin girl, you will still feel empty inside like you do now.

>>81636000
I'm not, there's just no easy way to tell someone that the thing you held on to for so long (your virgin fantasies) are just an illusion.

>>81636033
You're just projecting your misery onto me, no such thing will happen to me, do you know why? Because I'm not a perma loser perpetually stuck lamenting my teenage years, if you truly have that mindset then I can see why your view of the world is so miserable and unfortunately for you, you will keep being a loser no matter what you achieve unless you can change that mindset.

>>81636127
>no such thing will happen to me
It already did, anon. That's why you're here, alone on /r9k/ saying you will either have perfection or nothing, when every sign is pointing towards the latter.
You are already dead inside. Solitude did it. So did porn. No virgin girl will undo that damage.

>>81636127
>I'm not a perma loser perpetually stuck lamenting
That's exactly what you are, except that the song of your lamentation is about a virgin girl that you can never get

>>81636181
>>81636160
Nope, even if it never happened and I am fated to be single forever, I could live my life happily, at the end of the day I can't guarantee that I will meet that person, but what is in my control is how I approach the life that I have, I have family and friends, I have hobbies I enjoy and yes, I even enjoy posting on 4chan in my free time.

>>81632913
I'd agree with you if this was some "hurr I want my perfect 10/10 virgin tradwife with double D sized boobs" posting.
But its literally just virginity.
Every single person on earth is born a virgin.
All you have to do is wanting to keep it for marriage until you meet someone truly special who you want to share that experience with instead of fucking a bunch of random chads in highschool.
so to your
>*sigh* you'll get nothing boy
well good, because if I can't get a virgin wife to my virgin self to marry and pair-bond with for the rest of my life, I don't want any.
If all I wanted was to get some poon, I'd go to a brothel which are perfectly legal in my country.
I don't want that, I don't wanna fuck some random pussy for the sake of pussy, I want to find a soulmate that I want to spend the rest of my life with.

>>81636245
>I am fated to be single forever
Yes
>I could live my life happily
You don't sound very happy as of now. There's a lot of frustration and resentment and entitlement in your speech

>>81636257
>its literally just virginity
It's literally more than what you can afford.

>>81632862 (OP)
Then go talk to virgin girls.
>t. married a virgin

>>81636257
>All you have to do is repressing your sexuality, falling for religiously fueled puritanical culture, and deprive yourself of any enjoyable experience in your youth until you lock yourself up in a relationship with someone without even knowing if you two are sexually compatible
>It's easy, I did it
And you're miserable, lol. Showing us that this isn't a path towards happiness, but towards frustration

>>81636257
>I'll have my Disney version of idealized starcrossed romance for a lifetime, or nothing
At least you know what you'll get

>>81636294
>oh you want a cute plushie to hug?
>that'd be $500
>"b...but I only have $20..."
>yeah sorry, but a new cute plushie is way more than you can afford.
>but you know what? I like you, I'll cut you a deal
>You can't afford the new plushie, but I have something in the returned goods section of the store that might interest you
>here, cute isn't she? sure, she's a little bit roughed up, a bit sticky because a bunch of guys shot her load on her before returning her, but I'm sure the stains will wash right off, and if you can ignore the smell she's all yours for your $20
>"uhmm... n..no thanks, I think I'll be fine for now, have a nice d...day"

>>81636412
>Comparing women to objects
Loneliness it is then

>>81636280
Is there? Or are you just imagining that part?
>>81636309
I do, both online and in real life. I've had one such gf, it didn't work out in the end but at least that relationship assured me that this goal of mine is hardly impossible, I'm not particularly undesirable and virgin women are nowhere near as hard to find as people on here believe. I've been whitepilled so to speak.

>>81635466
If it fails they join the mudpit of people dating each other looking for the perfect match (does not exist)
The idea is you match up, compromise, grow together, and make each other happy. Neither the man nor woman should bear that burden alone, it is something to be shared and surmounted as two people.

Nobody does this anymore because everyone has the poisoned mindset of just finding someone else. So nobody cares about each other.

And truthfully, even if you are aware of what I said and these dynamics....how could you or I care about anyone either when everyone is poisoned? Its a lost cause.
Thus I opt to be alone (And fuck around in MMOs, no harm done)

>>81636457
you objectified it first tho, by claiming that finding a person who is or isn't a virgin is something I could be able to "afford" or not?
If I'm lonely I'll play with my dog or spend time with my friends or family.
Hell if I want kids (and probably a six figure amount to spare) I can use paid surrogacy services to get one.
I have a car, a dog companion, a roof over my head and warm food in my belly, friends, hobbies etc.
And sure, having a soulmate to share all that with would be nice, but if its not supposed to be this lifetime, then its just not supposed to be.

>>81636377
Not that I know of.
Do you believe you need a partner to not be miserable?
I think for a relationship to be happy, both partners must be happy on their own, and then combine/multiply that happieness.
If I were unhappy on my own and with myself, I don't think someone else could come from the outside and bring me lasting happieness without me also dragging them down along the way, I wouldn't want that anyways.

>>81636397
uhm yes?
I want to find someone that I want to spend the rest of my life with? Like, isn't that the entire purpose of dating?
Again, If I just wanted meaningless benis in bagina I'd go to a brothel. They are legal, and there's one like 30km from my home.
I don't want that.
I want true emotional connection, someone who would want to walk the path of life together with me, for rich or poor and in sickness and in health, and all that stuff.
If the other person doesn't want that, why would I waste my time with them?

>>81636654
>want to find someone that I want to spend the rest of my life with?
That person doesn't have to be a virgin though. You're just shallow

>>81636654
>by claiming that finding a person who is or isn't a virgin is something I could be able to "afford" or not
This is just you being an autist and misunderstanding words. Your own standards are the thing you can't afford, whereas you compared women to literal objects stained from cum.

>>81636717
to me, sex is something extremely intimate.
To be comfortable sharing this experience with someone I'd have to fully trust them and have a strong emotional connection.
I'm not even religious, but for me to make the desicion to sleep with someone is basically equivalent to getting married, because I would only loose my virginity to someone who i'd want to spend the rest of my life with.

If someone doesn't share that viewpoint about intimacy with me and has no problem sleeping with a bunch of random people, I don't think we'd fit together anyways.

>>81636740
Well yes, I am actually a diagnosed autist and english isn't my first language, thank you for noticing.
I don't think its much of a standard though if its something that literally every single person on earth is born with.
Refusing to date e.g. an (ex-) heroin user isn't a standard either, no one is born a heroin user, NOT using heroin isn't something you have to work for, and you have to actively go out of your way to achieve that status.
So e.g. wanting someone to be of a specific height or having a specific bust size or something is a standard.
wanting someone to have certain accomplishments like a university degree or a high income, those are standards.
But requiring someone who has NOT deliberately gone out of their way and done a specific action in the past that you dislike? I think thats so low a standard that it barely qualifies as that.

I do have standarts, including "unfair" ones that are regarding genetic traits that not 100% of the population are born with.
Maybe they are to high, maybe they aren't, but I think everyone has those and thats normal.
But I think wanting someone to be a virgin is (theoretically) so low a bar that it doesn't or shouldn't even qualify as a standart, literally every single person was born meeting that standard and they had to actively decide to do something to loose it.

>>81636717
Shallow is the person that fucks random people and doesn't treat intimate moments as precious moments shared with someone that you love. It's incredible how you people manage to twist everything

>>81632862 (OP)
Yup, while basically everything else can be up for debate with regards to standards and personal preference, that one's just not up for negotiation. Not a viring = not viable as prospective marriage partner.

Cool, but look at everyone attacking your character for this. That about sums up threads like these. They either try to demoralize you, or they say you are unworthy of loyalty. Every time. Then we as people ask general questions regarding morals and education and culture. Let niggercattle be niggercattle, I guess.

Why are there so many fervent cuckolds on the internet.
If you want to marry a ho then be my guest, but why do you try so hard to push it onto normal people?
Like in this thread, some losers are making up elaborate fanfictions about how much you'd hate getting with a virgin wife because.... well you just would cause you didn't get your nuts licked in HS or something.

>>81636560
>virgin women are nowhere near as hard to find as people on here believe
Bro they 100% are. I can't even find women without tattoos at this point, and the obesity rate is like 50%.

good luck lol

>>81639344
Are you american or something?
Seems like a uniquely slutty US state problem. Are you in Cali or Florida?

>>81636245
>I have hobbies I enjoy and yes, I even enjoy posting on 4chan in my free time
Way too many fags either project how much they hate this place and should just fuck off to r.ddit or drank too much of the ironic koolaid.

>>81637402
Shallow is the person who reduces their partner to their body count.
Intimate moments are so precious to you that you never had any, and you don't see the obvious contradiction. You're saving yourself for the grave apparently

>>81636560
>this goal of mine is hardly impossible
>Still an adult virgin
Cope

>>81639080
It's because you idealized romance so much there's nothing in real life that could live up to the standards. Loneliness broke your heart and ain't no hymen going to fix that

>>81636940
>not even religious
>Has the exact same view on sex as religion
I fear you're going to be on /r9k/ for a long time

>>81639588
>and you don't see the obvious contradiction
What contradiction? It's precious therefore I haven't met someone to share with yet. Do you think everyone is lucky enough to find someone in their late teens and early 20s?
Please enlighten me to the contradictory part

>>81632862 (OP)
Virgin women dont exist

after age 15 most women have at least 1 body. and age of consent at the lowest is 16 in the US and most parts of the EU

>>81636940
>don't think its much of a standard
It is though. It's also asymmetrical. You didn't "save yourself", there was no sacrifice on your part, you're just an incel who failed to score.
As you approach your 30s, you're asking your future partner to endure years of loneliness and deprivation just like you did, all to appease your own ego, as if a non virgin wasn't capable of loving you and making you happy. You are reducing your future partner to a hymen, the worst type of objectification. You could find a girl who was perfect in everyway, but if she so happened to have a normal coming of age experience of having sex in her youth, she would be ruined to you. That's a tremendous standard. This is why so far you have failed to find this person.
And I fear as you grow older, finding her will be each time harder.

>>81632862 (OP)
you don't get to 29 untouched being a woman without also being seriously unlikeable. You just like the idea of a pure woman because then you can fuck her over yourself. Or you're into some really, really young girls. But the reasoning is all the same

>>81636940
You're comparing having sex to using hardcore drugs. Your analogies show us how deeply puritanical you are
The fact that you have spent years beating your meat to pornography shows how hypocritical you are too.

>>81639695
>you're just an incel who failed to score
Why are you niggers like that? By age of 9 and 10 I already had opportunities to have sex. Can't you fucking comprehend that some people aren't low IQ monkeys that fall to temptation easily?

>>81636940
>wanting someone to be a virgin is (theoretically) so low a bar
Detached from reality

Sometimes I want to have sex just to prove to you faggots that's easy. MANY chances already have been given to me even when I didn't try
It's utterly pathetic you think having sex with some random whore is an achievement

>>81639660
It's so precious that you're willing to forsake it entirely and live a life of celibacy if you can't find the perfection you're looking for.
I think your own ego is the precious thing here.

>>81639746
>I could have sex if I wanted to!
Yeah, by paying lmao

>>81639721
>I'm a lonely virgin out of choice
Cope

>>81639747
Yet that isn't hypocrisy. And what if it's the ego? Do you think ego is inherently bad? If your wife fucked another man you would accept it because you don't to be seen as narrow minded person or something?

>>81639760
>>81639767
I was going to post my dick and mog you faggots, but since last year I stopped showing myself in the internet
Fuck off with your bait

>>81639660
It will be each time harder to find a virgin girl as you age. Your virgin standard becomes progressively more absurd with time.

>>81639629
You might be gay. I had my first kiss recently and not only did it live up to my expectations it blew them out of the water.
Romance is awesome, it's sad you can never experience it cause you just have no appreciation for such things.
>>81639695
Again you're just making baseless assumptions because you have no real reason to be this bitter and hateful against the most normal desire a man could have ever.
>>81639707
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>81639788
The hypocrisy part is you being an ascetic puritan regarding sex but spending years beating off to pornography
Porn and loneliness... Tsc tsc, that damaged your mind in a way that no intact hymen could ever hope to fix.

>>81639810
Women turn 18 every day.
>>81639837
Say, isn't it about time to go back to your tranny discord? Did you run out of racebait to spam or something?

>finish your studies
>get a good job
>then you can chase skirts
It's incredible how people that follow that get fucked and only has whores to choose from meanwhile the ones that don't give a shit eat it fresh
Then women and simps want to talk objectification and shit like that to shame you for having standards. They get their fun while you put in the effort to get some used goods

>>81639788
>what if it's the ego?
It is the ego, that's why it's bad. People who have had sex before are not aliens who are fundamentally incompatible with you. You are just proud and unwilling to compromise on that virginal trophy. It's very vain.
If you could afford that, this discussion wouldn't be necessary. You'd go out, get your virgin girl and be done with it, all we could do was seethe.
But you can't. The fact that you're willing to give up on your love life entirely because reality can't match the expectations of your ego... That's just sad.

>>81639788
>If your wife fucked another man you would accept it
Who she fucked before we even met each other couldn't bother me at all, it's utterly indifferent

>>81639836
He's talking about how insecure you are and how yiu fear being compared to her previous lovers.
He's also pointing out that demanding a virgin girl is essentially the same as demanding a teenage girl. Good luck finding a virgin older than 16, and so far yiu haven't had any

>>81639888
Someone slapped your face and you got mad? That's the ego. Someone fucked your wife and now you're mad? That's the ego. Someone humiliated you with their money while you're working in a service job and now you're mad? That's ego. You want to be a millionaire? That's ego. You want to get stronger? That's ego

If you think ego is bad then go to the mountains and turn into a zen monk

>>81639836
>Romance is awesome
>Haven't had any
>willing to live without it if he can't match his standards of perfection
Romance is truly great and you are missing out on it big time

>>81639856
have fun competing with the entire male population for that 18 year old. women aren't interested in settling down, they want to sleep around, and it's probably not with you

>>81639945
So, nobody cares about it while the entire male population are competing for it?
lol

>>81639836
I'm not hating you at all, I'm just telling you how absurd your standards are and how much of your loneliness is due to them.
>normal
If you want to talk about what's normal, it's also normal to lose your virginity when you're young and not become an adult celibate

>>81639695
>You could find a girl who was perfect in everyway, but if she so happened to have a normal coming of age experience of having sex in her youth, she would be ruined to you.
Everyone is perfet when you handwave their flaws. She is ruined.
>That's a tremendous standard. This is why so far you have failed to find this person.
Nah, she made a choice thats on her. You say it's normal, but thats entirely relative to modern, western culture. When I say modern I mean within 60 years.
If someone thinks sex isn't intimate they aren't for me. If they think sex is intimate, they will recognize that the more people you have sex with, the less intimate it is, so there's nothing wrong with a virgin not wanting them.

What I find funny about this whole thing is the thread is filled with a bunch of guys and women, who act as if not wanting a non-virgin is some kind of deep moral failing and unrealistic. It's simply a rejection of an individual based on choices they made, which is entirely reasonable. It's also funny how you can make all these judgements for not wanting to be with someone who had sex, but for some reason it's wrong for others to judge people who have sex. To you, thought carries more weight than people who act on their thoughts.
At the end of the day a virgin can always whore out later, people who sleep around can never have a virgin-virgin marriage.

>>81639856
not an argument. So far you haven't had any luck with finding that virgin, and from here on, things are going to get harder and harder.

>>81639965
>I'm just telling you how absurd your standards are
He literally explained to you that everyone is born a virgin and you've to go out of your way to lose it
>how much of your loneliness is due to them
Yeah, because you can exactly tell how some random anonymous person is lonely. And as if people that have sex also can't be lonely

>>81639961
Nobody cares as much as you, to the point of being a celibate and refusing to have anything other than perfection.
You are still competing for those virgin girls with every other men, and let me tell you, these girls are much more likely to choose an experienced lover than your own incel ass.

>>81639888
If you have no issue with a man fucking your wife 3 years ago why complain about a man fucking her now? You already consented to her fucking other people, the virgin side is consistent. Unless you go full on free love, you're just engaging in mental gymnastics about how it's fine to fuck other people sometimes, but bad at other times.

>>81639928
Luckily my ego is not making me go through my youth being alone and celibate. Can you say the same?

>>81639990
If they don't care, why they are going for them? They should go for women their own age that also are experienced. Isn't that what a normal man does?

>>81640005
>Luckily my ego is not making me go through my youth being alone and celibate.
You wanted a virgin, couldn't get one and now you cope. You're not celibate but you're 100% going through life as a cuck. Celibacy can come to an end, cuckoldry is eternal.

>>81640005
Yes. Celibate doesn't equate alone. I've family and friends
You put so much importance to women that just the idea of not having one is equal to loneliness

>>81639976
>but thats entirely relative to modern, western culture
That's relative to nature, actually.
Sex is intimate, that's not the stake here. You don't think sex is just "intimate", you think sex is a one time only contract binding you to one person for life, the exact same view held by the bible.
This isn't about intimacy at all, it's about the highest degree of puritanism.
Sure, they're not for you. But as you have noticed so far, finding that girl who's just for you will be a challenge. You think you have what it takes to find her? I don't.

>>81639925
Yeah retarded shit I got that much.
>>81639944
Are you mentally challenged? Seriously it's starting to seem like that lol.
>>81639965
I'm telling you, I would rather just stay single forever then compromise on this one thing because it is so important to me, you seem to have an inability to accept this answer and it's making you so mad that you resort to making a bunch of passive agressive weak shaming replies to this thread, trying very hard to insinuate that I just absolutely MUST be sad and insecure, you want that to be the reality so bad.
>>81639977
Not really, if anything things get better and easier cause I've been steadily improving day by day, I'm in better shape, I have more friends, I'm getting better at my hobbies, I'm advancing in my job and education. All these factors add up, I had dated a virgin when I was a comparatively worse person, who says I can't find another one that would work out this time?

>>81639976
>not wanting a non-virgin is some kind of deep moral failing and unrealistic.
The moral thing is subjective, but the unrealistic part is 100% true. Hence you're alone so far

>>81640058
>You think you have what it takes to find her? I don't.
Yeah I don't think you have what it takes either bud, that's why you are a cuckold.
Thank god I'm not you though, pretty lucky for me.

>>81639837
hi.

I don't masturbate and am a male virgin who is 45. I have chosen to stay a virgin because I am a devout christian and as the bible states:

Deuteronomy 22:1321
The New King James Version

13 If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, 14 and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, "I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin," 15 then the father and mother of the young woman shall take and bring out the evidence of the young womans virginity to the elders of the city at the gate. 16 And the young woman's father shall say to the elders, "I gave my daughter to this man as wife, and he detests her. 17 Now he has charged her with shameful conduct, saying, I found your daughter was not a virgin, and yet these are the evidences of my daughter's virginity." And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18 Then the elders of that city shall take that man and punish him; 19 and they shall fine him one hundred shekels of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name on a virgin of Israel. And she shall be his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days.

20 But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, 21 then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house. So you shall put away the evil from among you.


My entire life I have been subjected to this argument from evil women and the evil men who advocate for them. All I want is a good christian woman who will be loyal, love only me, and be a virgin. Personality IS important because she must be a proverbs 31 woman, Other than that looks, height, etc mean nothing.

Now, where can such a woman be found? Here?

>>81640058
so what you're saying is...a.i. waifus?

>>81639976
You can never get back all the youthful days you spent lonely and without any romantic experience. Your virgin virgin marriage will never fill that gap

>>81640137
>I don't masturbate
First sentence and it's already a lie lmao

I'll use an argument that retards use
"Touch grass". If you say you want a virgin irl most people wouldn't have any problem with it and many would even support you
The only ones that react negatively to that are crabs in a bucket, shitposters or someone that also wanted it but gave up and now thinks they're "mature" for understanding the "real world"

>>81640147
Why is this anon obsessed with "youthful days"
nta but stop projecting

>>81640147
This is such clear projection from you it's crazy. Did you peak in HS and now you want to go back?
I've regretted things, I lamented things I missed out on. Never once have I ever thought to myself "Oh man I didn't have sex in HS my whole life is ruined and meaningless now."
There is no gap, tbere is nothing to miss there because I'm not permanently stuck wanting to gp back to being a teenage like you seem to be.

>>81639987
>everyone is born a virgin
But most people, specially women, lose it in their youth. Most people don't marry the first person they have sex with.
Demanding that from a partner, as an adult man, is pretty absurd. It's not impossible, but the fact that he hasn't found anyone yet is telling. And it will only get harder from here on

>>81640147

you underestimate the power of love and the strength of godly lust within a marriage.

>>81640158
I am speaking the absolute truth. I was raised in a christian home where such things were addressed before it happened to me (when i was young) and it was impressed upon me how much GOD does not want us defiling ourselves and wants us to wait patiently and purely for our true wife. I know many people fell to these temptations but i have not.

just because you could not control your urges doesn't mean others couldn't as well.

>>81640058
>bible
And the non-Christian nations. I know you love to think it's all some Church conspiracy, but even in pre-Christian pagan culture virginity was considered important, from the vestal virgins of Rome to the Germanic barbarians tacitus reported. Then you have China and daoism had sex magick where virginity played an important role. Buddhism doesn't argue against sex, infact the religion encourages it as sex is needed to continue the cycle of rebirth, it is however against sex that does not result in new life. Islam and Jews as like Christians. Hinduism considers virginity until marriage important, etc.

In nature various animals are monogamous, and lastly humans who engaged in sexual activity would likely have offspring as a result of that. Contraceptives have reduced that chance to near zero, but historically a woman who fucked a guy on a one night stand or during a relationship had a very realistic chance of getting pregnant and possibly dying in childbirth. Sex was coupled with reproduction, if this were not the case then there wouldn't be uproar over abortion access.

TLDR; it's worldwide and in nature itself and out politics by omission. Not simply church bullshit.

>>81640209
>i have not masturbated
it's lying a sin? lol

>>81640223
see >>81640209

again just because you are a coomer doesn't mean that everyone else is.

>>81640166
Yeah I know, nobody in real life has ever had a problem with it and I'm not ashamed of admitting it to people if they ask. Most male friends have agreed 100%, my female friends have been pretty understanding of it, there's this reddit myth that if you want a virgin then no woman will touch you with a ten foot pole because they smell the soggy knee and they are all ultra feminist girl bosses, but it couldn't be further from the truth.
A female friend of mine even went as far as to scout out a girl I liked and confirmed for me that she was a virgin, that's how I got into my first relationship.

>>81640234
>I'm not a degenerate coomer
>Comes to a board filled with degeneracy and porn
45 yo virgin... Are you looking st your future, op? Do you like what you see?

>>81640166
>If you say you want a virgin irl most people wouldn't have any problem with it
Lmao completely detached from reality take. You'll be mocked at least

>>81640208
Just to be clear most in this case only means like 75 to 80% even if you live in a promiscuous country like the US, about 22% of women aged 18-24 are virgins so no, it really isn't nightmare difficulty stuff.

>>81640137
>45 yo incel
>still hung up on finding a virgin
Grim

>>81640252
You really won't though, maybe if you have really bad friends or you bring it up out of nowhere but no, it's accepted as a pretty normal thing.

>>81640208
>Most people don't marry the first person they have sex with.
And most people have debts, most people are obese(at least here) and etc.
Most people doing something doesn't mean it's good

>>81640262
>It's not difficult
>Still hasn't made it
There's a 45yo virgin in this thread showing you how easy that is, lmao. You can't make this shit up

>>81640147
>Your virgin virgin marriage will never fill that gap
You make 2 mistakes here.
1) Filling a gap implies you're missing something and trying to substitute. The issue is the persuit of an ideal doesn't work this way. A bodybuilder won't be filling a gap, they will be striving towards a goal. It's a part of the process, you can't have the fruit if you don't sew the seeds.
2) I would happily sacrifice short term for long term. It's why I studied instead of just slacking off, it's why I exercise, etc. Even if you take it as a substitution to fill some sorrow, I consider it more attractive than the alternative.

You're negative. I hope all volcels the best in their journey.

>>81640268
>Good
The conversation is not about the merit or morality of it. It's just showing you that your standard is pretty exclusionary and therefore your dream girl is very hard to find.

>>81640248
I came here because i know there are other men like me who are having trouble finding women worthy of marriage. using me as an example to make op fear the future is a satanic strategy and you will be recompensed for it one day. GOD Willing.

>>81640263
I am 'hung up' on doing GOD's will in a biblical and loving marriage. We live in a time of satanic chaos and evil so it's not a surprise that the supply of marriageable women are near 0

>>81640274
>implies you're missing something
You definitely are. It's very obvious to the outside observer. The purity fantasy is almost like a cope, like It's the excuse you give yourself for not having any romantic experience

>>81640270
>it isn't impossible
>*retard translation*
>it's not difficult
15-20% is better than hopeless but it's still extremely rare since the competition is high and it isn't just virginity, the girl also has to like you

>>81640290
It's so near impossible that for you, it's practically impossible. Specially since you could never beat the competition being an inexperienced virgin yourself

>>81640286
>using me as an example to make op fear the future is a satanic strategy
lol so It's my fault that you perfectly encapsulated the miserable life of a puritanical religious nut?
This is you btw

>>81640286
>god wills me to live a life of sadness and loneliness
truly the religion of suffering

>>81640299
I don't have experience having sex, but you know you can get experience in talking with women going to dates and having female friends, right?
Virgin doesn't automatically means guy that doesn't know how to talk with women or someone without confidence. If you train enough women wouldn't be able to guess it unless you actually have sex

>>81640274
You're not a bodybuilder, you're not sowing any seeds, you are just another incel seething in the incel board. Your goal is unobtainable. Frustration awaits. Look at the 45 yo virgin. Still looking for a godly woman.
That's your future

>>81640323
>not having sex makes me suffer
nta and not religious, but if you think that you're pathetic and a simp

>>81640334
>you can get experience in talking with women going to date
Not like you did any of that, lol. Experience count still 0
>Virgin doesn't automatically means guy that doesn't know how to talk with women or someone without confidence
For real though, that's 100% who you are

>>81640342
>Living a life devoid of romance and romantic affection, the greatest joys of life, is not suffering
Cope

>>81640323
>be born into america during the most satanic, evil, and wicked generation
>"dis relijun of sufferin, beddar be larpagun hurr durr"
another excellent answer from a low morality whore or whore enabler.

>>81640316
who said I'm miserable? I just would like to find a wife and hoped that maybe my time had finallly come. there is a possibility that i will never be married or have children, this , too, could be HIS will. either way I will still try until I get a YES or a NO directly.

>>81640363
"living a life devoid of meth, truly the greatest provider of dopamine for humankind, is not suffering"

this is what you sound like. churl.

>>81640365
>be born with freedom to love and be loved
>Spend entire youth and middle age being lonely because of "god"
You worship suffering

>>81640378
>Compares romance to meth
Truest incel momento

>>81640351
You act as if we know each other.
If you think you can grasp someone's life through some exchanges in a basket weaving site then you're profoundly retarded

>>81640365
>who said I'm miserable?
You did. Remember?
>45 yo virgin still looking for a virgin girl
>I'm not miserable
Cope harder

>>81640363
>romance is the greatest joys of life
You truly are pathetic and a simp kek

>>81640401
Only anonymously you could pretend to be an adult virgin but somehow be experienced and charming with women.

>>81640415
>Romance is not the greatest joy!
Said the guy who never had it

>>81640365
>who said I'm miserable?
>there is a possibility that i will never be married or have children, this , too, could be HIS will
Imagine being cock blocked by god so hard, lmao. Grim

>>81640266
>it's accepted as a pretty normal thing.
Detached from reality. Tell any adult man that you're a virgin because you're waiting for marriage outside of church, and you will be mocked hard

>>81640417
Being able to talk with women and act like a normal human being and "charming" are different things. You're putting words in my mouth
Also you don't need take the last step. Do you only talk with women on the bed? There's a whole journey to take her there, unless you only talk with drunk rave girls that spread their legs after some small talk

>>81640212
>In nature various animals are monogamous
And many more are not, including all primates.
Nature is promiscuous.

>>81640200
>I've regretted things, I lamented things I missed out on
You will live long enough to regret wasting your youth alone because of your puritanism

>>81640394
>thinks existence as a human is solely based on carnal pleasure and that there can be no happiness otherwise

huge coomer copium here.

>>81640382
says the man who will end up in hell, suffering for eternity while all who are saved by faith through the sacrifice of JESUS CHRIST will experience heaven and eternal glory with GOD.

>>81640412
see what i said above about coomer copium.

>>81640437
imagine having such a weak will and lack of faith that all you have is fleshly lusts to soothe the existential angst of your eventual eternal damnation if you do not repent and seek JESUS.

Grim.

>>81640456
1 corinthians 1:18
The message of GOD is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of GOD.

>>81640498
>Reduces romantic experiences to carnal pleasure
The emotional damage from loneliness is showing

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHA
Imagine talking and explaining your reasoning to disgusting degenerates.

>>81640507
>implies that he is thinking of anything but carnal pleasure when he says 'romance'
whatever you say, mindbroken zoomer.

>>81640507
Do you use weed? I find hard to believe someone is so dumb they think carnal pleasure is only related to sex

>>81640456
I have done this and not a single time did anyone mock me.
>>81640493
Woah, you got me bro you're so right dude, you're such a clairvoyant sage dude.
Have you ever done anything you don't regret? You seem very hung up on missing out and regretting things.

>>81632862 (OP)
Odds are, you won't finda virgin woman.
You need to prepare to live your life for that. You need to live a life worth living. You should still strive to live a productive, worthy and somewhat happy life even without a virgin wife. A virgin single man can still live a life worth living.
That is the outcome of you don't marry at all: dying as a virgin. Because marrying a non virgin whore should be out of the question

>>81633041
You're just outing yourself as a disgusting whore by using virgin as an insult

>>81633154
>More suffering than a life of solitude?
There's a difference between being alone and feeling alone.
Feeling alone when other people are physically bear you is the worst feeling in the world.
Settling with a woman who sucked other men's dicks, and having to sleep next to her everyday. Being next to that whore that you can't love and that doesn't love you. That shit will give you abysmal level of feelings of loneliness

>>81633174
Not everything is a fetish.
When Chad wants to take your virginity to make you one of his trophies, it's a fucking fetish.
If a guy wants to save himself for marriage too, and wants it to be special. You're just twisting words if you want to call that a fetish.

But you are a woman. You will end up losing your virginity to some Chad who just wanted to ruin you

>you'll die alone
>you'll be lonely
Those retards never heard about how many married men kill themselves? Foids have all the attention in the world and they keep drowning in remedies too
Acting as if sexhavers all have happy fulfilling lives is so easily disproven

>>81639657
so what?
I already said I don't mind not finding someone who wants to walk through life together.

>>81639695
There was actually a girl in highschool that was into me, we were friends/ambiguous and she literally invited me to stay over night at her place.
I have no idea why, but the topic turned to sex, and for some reason she thought it was a good idea to talk about all the crazy stuff she did for her ex-bf, (maybe to entice me or something idk?) and I was so... repulsed that I slept on the couch and after that our friendship fizzled out.
But you don't have to believe that, idc.
What you cannot deny regardless if you believe my previous story, is that prostitution is legal in my country (germany) and If I just wanted sex, all I had to do was look up the nearest brothel on fucking google maps, drive 20 minutes and give some cute early 20's girl a couple euro bills.
I could literally have sex today if I wanted to.
It is not about the sex, its about the shared experience of having that first time with someone who knows just as little as I do, exploring and experiencing that life-changing moment together, and bonding emotionally through that.

>>81639715
I do not believe it is puritanical to ask that the person I want to spend the rest of my life with, possibly bond my literal eternal soul with depending on how spiritual I'm feeling that day (not really sure about the existence of souls I'm kinda agnostic most of the time) has not already done what is probably one of the most lifechanging acts in a humans life with someone else.

>>81639727
everyone's born a virgin, not much of a standart if theoretically 100% of the population could meet it simultaniously.
If someone made the deliberate choice to not regard intimacy as something special, that person isn't someone I would regard as a potential soulmate.

And again, I do NOT mind if i can't find that person this lifetime.
It would be sad, but I'd rather not bond at all than attempt it with the wrong person.

>>81640147
>your virgin marriage will never fill that gap
What a whore mentality
Yes , I'm sure the pain of years of loneliness won't make you appreciate your marriage even more.
I'm sure what you needed in the meantime. To have empty sex with strangers or emotionally draining breakups. Sure, that means sex with your future wife won't be that special and that romance will be a lie between you too. But gosh, you want to avoid loneliness at all costs.
Let's keep going. Why only be loyal to your future wife? You know what. Every time your wife isn't around and you feel lonely. Have sex with another woman. I'm sure both of you will be much happier after that.

The worst part is that most women think like this
>Girl, all men are trash, I can't find no good man. Why should I wait for Mr Right, it will be years before I find him. Meanwhile I have the right to have FUN, lemme fill up this coochie *proceeds to twerk*

Dont cuck your future wife or be cucked by her

>>81640137
Based, brother, either you'll find that person or it wasn't part of gods plan.
Genesis 2:24 KJV
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matthew 19:4-6 KJV
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

1 Corinthians 6:16 KJV
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

do not become one flesh with the harlots.


>>81640208
>Most people don't marry the first person they have sex with.
yes?
And I think thats one of the biggest problems society is facing nowadays and why everything is going downhill.
Like, thats exactly the problem and you say it like its no big deal.

>>81640208
Most women suck and made poor choices so either settle or die alone

>>81632862 (OP)
That's respectable, personally I think i'd get over it if I liked the girl enough and she wasn't an actual whore
I breifly was going out with this girl and she gave me the "i hope you can understand and forgive me when I tell you about my past" speech extremely early on and that just grossed me out, like why would you start discussing that so early in a relationship

>>81632862 (OP)
>I don't think there is anything that could convince me out of this
i felt this way, then i stopped masturbating and watching porno every day.

>>81641637
>told me about her slutty past extremely early on
As it should be. It's a dealbreaker, for good reason. If she wanted to wait until you both were in love, that's just lying by omission. That shit is extremely manipulative. Why the fuck do you want women to lie to you?

Even worse. You could have married her. And she told you about her whore past after you're married. At that point, you had sex with her thinking she was someone else. You had sex with her under false pretenses. How is that not rape?

>>81640498
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>81641637
>>81641677
Women do this because they're insecure about it. If you love her and she loves you, what's the problem?

>>81641677
Well yeah I don't disagree but even if they had like just one guy before me I honestly would rather just not hear about the details

>>81640209
based standardschud

>>81641714
>>81641714
>I'd rather not hear about the details
So you'd rather be a cuck and not know it. Most men want to know if that sort of thing happened. It's her moral duty to tell them.

There's a way of course to break the news without giving details.
>"Hey, just to let you know. I had a past. I hope you can understand and forgive
>Look, I dont care if you were with other guys. But I dont want to know the details

>>81641697
>They're insecure about it
They're insecure about it because it's a dealbreaker. Women are also insecure about telling their boyfriend they cheated. It doesn't matter, they should still tell the truth.

>If she loves you and you love her, what's the problem
Where to start. First off, in this case she lied by omission.
She also made you a cuck, she didn't save herself for you. You can and should avoid cheating on yor future spouse.
Also. The idea that a non-virgin can fully love you, or that you can fully love a non-virgin. Love simply isn't possible anymore

>>81632862 (OP)
You really triggered the troons and roasties mate

>>81641697
because thats something that needs to be discussed before things get serious.
I don't want to know literal month or even years into the relationship
>oh btw, I fucked so many different guys, the neuron synapses for pair bonding in my brain are compleately fried and theres statistically a >50% chance of this marriage ending in divorce (see >>81637929)
Simmilar to someone being a strong natalist or anti-natalist, If you want a large family, but the girl you're talking to doesn't want kids, thats something you need to know early.
You need to know if they are marriage material or if they are for the streets.

>>81633174
YWNEBAWE

>>81641775
>Lied by omission
How? This isn't even something that gets brought up in relationships sometimes. I don't know my GFs body count but it's way lower than mine.
>>81641823
Again, why care so much? I get the whole "I don't want someone who lacks the ability to pair bond" because Jesus Christ it's been burned mostly out of me, but if you can just read and judge people it isn't a problem. Pick the right person

>>81641854
It's lying by omission because most people have a problem with that. You may not, but most people do. And if it's a dealbreaker for most people...you should 100% tell them.
Just to be clear: most people find high bodycounts to be a dealbreaker. So...fucking tell them about it.
Sadly, most people don't find non-virginity to be a delabreaker. But if after a few dates that shit doesn't come out even in passing, you're hiding something.

>>81641854
>but if you can just read and judge people it isn't a problem. Pick the right person
but i read and judge people by observing their present and past behaviour?
If I'm her 12th relationship/body, all my observations point to the fact that there'll probably be a #13 after me.

If you have your first time with someone, that experience will connect you to that person for the rest of your life.
Who doesn't fcking remember their first time (unless super drunk or drugged or something)?!
Its probably among the most memorable and important experiences in an average humans lifetime. And it can only happen once obviously.
I personally would rather share that experience with the person I trust the most and want to spend the rest of my life together.

>>81641904
>Most people have a problem with it
>Non virginity isn't a deal-breaker for most people
Which is it?
Being a massive fucking whore is a deal-breaker for most people

>>81641960
I remember my first time and it was garbage. It's nothing sacred, and it's why I simply don't give a shit if a girl is a virgin or not.
I dated one girl who was a virgin and it was just uncomfortable fucking her

>>81642003
so what if it was garbage?
I think most first times are. you'll grow compatible with each other over time as you learn to know each others bodies and desires and communicate and grow together.

So don't tell me if it was garbage or not, tell me if it was memorable and you will remember even decades later.
Do you think that this moment was so memorable that theres a good chance it will be amongst the most memorable moments that flash before your eyes as you lie on your death bed?
Because I believe if I were to see a compilation of the top dozen or so most memorable moments of my life, the night I lost my virginity would probably be on that list.
And then ask yourself if your future wife would be happy if she knew you're thinking of bedding another woman while at deaths door?
At least I'd be uncomfortable if I knew there was another man in my wifes thoughts on her deathbed that isn't either me or a blood relative like her father or something.

>>81642003
>Which is it
You literallly had to quote me wrong to not see what I said
High bodycount? Dealbreaker for most people. Non-virgin, but low bodycount? Sadly, not a dealbreaker

>I lost my virginity in a stupid way. Didnt even love the girl. Therefore I know it isn't sacred or special. The experience of losing your virginity to the person you most love didn't happen to me, but I know that it somehow won't be special for those people either.
>Hey I went to a roadtrip the grand canyon and spent all the time looking at my cellphone. Can't see why people even go to this place, nothing special about it
>I went to this restaurant that apparently was supposed to have grest food. But I couldn't taste anything because I had a cold and I only ordered some bone broth; which tasted salty after I oversalted it myself. This restaurant sucks, I don't know why people visit.