There's no such thing as incel, only volcel
You know what you need to do but you refuse to do it
No such thing as a genetics issue. Only Skill issue.

>>81637258 (OP)
i am a voluntary incel

>>81637258 (OP)
The thing ive learned is to have a woman today who isnt going to cheat on you and actually cares about you you need some kind of metaphysical thing behind it like a God gifting it to you. The "things you need to do" is usually a massive list that 99% of guys who have girlfriends objectively havent done. Most guys with gfs are fat, have mid careers and poor fashion choices. Most guys with gfs and wives have bad jaw lines and bad skin. A large amount of guys under 6ft still get a gf. But to have one that

>is monogamous
>isnt mentally ill
>is young(18-25)
>low to zero body count
>is capable of love and empathy
>isnt a bitch 60% of the time
>isnt fat
>isnt in a huge amount of debt
>isnt super hypergamous
>low drama

Like a lot of the guys i know, you basically have to be gifted something by God for some reason. It is so out of your control, and so beyond your capabilities there really isnt anything you can do other than wait and hope you get mercy.

>>81637355
>low to zero body count
y'all are so hung up on this, if you're going to be the best she's ever had, having her compare you to her worse performing partners is the greatest ego rush ever
The only reason you'd be hung up on this is if you CAN'T outperform her other partners, and if you think that, you have to ask yourself why.
Why does the fact that her getting fucked by sex partners who please you better than her bother you? Is there some deep insecurity you've never addressed? Any skill gap that you put off improving that's coming back to bite you? That you require the absence of other, possibly more skilled males, to maintain any semblance of confidence in your ability to please your woman?
Let's REALLY dig into this friend. You've tugged on a string so many people are desperately dodging.

>>81637355
>Boring requirements
I just want to get pegged every once in a while.

>>81637495
Would you let a woman sleep around on you? Why is it worse to let a woman fuck other guys while you're in a relationship but not before?

>i am a voluntary incel
how would that work?

>>81637495
Because more than likely if you are an average guy, no matter what fucking technique you read about, or what stategy you think you have, you arent going to wow her more than what any other guy has tried. Guess what, EVERY guy thinks hes going to be the best she ever had. EVERY guy is reading those tips and trying to "have her have a good time". In reality, if she has a high body count she has already experienced all of this, felt all of it, had the peak of what is possible unless you are a literal 5% genetic chad. You hit a ceiling fast. And that is why we want low body counts. And its why the lower the body count the lower the chance of cheating and a divorce later. Stats have proven this time and time again. Promiscuous people LITERALLY cant feel love and unable to form actual relationships that arent transactional.

>>81637584
>boring requirements

Those requirements any woman pre-1990 in that age group could have cleared. It shouldnt be considered boring or high standards women have just hit rock bottom and then grabbed a shovel.

>>81637727
>Promiscuous people LITERALLY cant feel love and unable to form actual relationships that arent transactional.
[citation needed]
How the fuck would you even know that? Got yourself a love-o-meter at home or some shit? That you have the tech to just scan a population of promiscuous people as if you have a metal detector and go "Yesss, see? Only 0.5 love-o-watts! They feel nothing for anyone!"
Sounds like you're just making shit up to validate your choice of doing nothing about your dire dating situation.

>>81637355
I think I'm going to geomaxx and find a religious African virgin from a rural village. I figure the cultures are poor and religious enough for the parents to let me marry their virgin teenager. I'm already ebonypilled so why not.

>>81637819
Go outside for fucks sake. I could post studies but the issue with you types is it wouldnt matter. Not only that most studies would be bias since the current agenda is that sex means nothing, its basically a handshake. Everyone ive met who was promiscuous in the past had relationship issues, myself included since ive slept with about 10 escorts in the past. I cant feel anything towards women anymore. Ive spoke to multiple women too who had similar or even larger body counts than me and they felt the same way.

When you are used to using someone as a masturbation aide its really hard for you to feel anyone is special. The fact i have to explain this to you or show any facts tells me you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, are a woman who is scared she will die alone because of her body count, or just dont have the life experience to see it.

>>81637819
I also know this because their divorce rates are statistically double what a low body count to virgins is. Google it. Im not going to go posting a bunch of links because i know you arent going to read them

>>81637883
Good luck blackpiller. Literal, blackpilled

one is far more enlightened than the other

>>81637819
this is what the other anon was talking about

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10989935/

>>81637907
>I also know this because their divorce rates are statistically double
This is a good thing, why do you people complain about this? low quality men are losing their partners so their partners can pursue a better option. The only one who suffers is the low quality man who shouldn't have married the woman in the first place. If the universe compels your wife to leave you because you suck, then you shouldn't have sucked to begin with. Skill issue.

>>81637988
Because your definition of "low quality" is like 50-60% of men. To be a guy who doesn't suck you have to be better than every guy which is why the standards I wrote lower the chance of her having an inflated ego and unrealistic standards. Not only that women have a financial insentive to get a divorce since it usually is in their favor. But you know this.

Things were so much better when women didn't have rights. Society is fucking collapsing and civilization as we know it is falling apart because they can vote now

>>81637258 (OP)
Chad only. Non-chads aren't even allowed to attempt approaching women.

>>81637495
>having her compare you to her worse performing partners is the greatest ego rush ever
I don't want my relationship to be
>a social credits genarator
>an ego trip for me
>a competition with people i've never met before
>i don't want to be socially accepted for who i date i don't care
how is this a difficult concept to grasp for anyone?

SEX HAVERS SHOULD FUCK OF FROM R9K

YOU ARE NOT TRUE ROBOTS, never have been, never will be. KHHV and incelism are core principles of true r9kbottery.

>>81637495
No amount of cope from you is going to override the instinctual disgust men have for a used woman. Imagine loving a bitch some other guys ran through and skeeted on and shit.

>>81637883
I'm nigerian and i have a strat for you thoughbeit
damn near everyone in nigeria speaks english
(avoid the north you will be beheaded by black isis)
>go to a village or small town
>get a house or place to stay
>hire a househelp they are cheap in nigeria parents often 'rent' their kids to help old people clean their homes
>you will need to give her room and board thoughbeit
>idk nigga woo her somehow you're jbw so this should be easy
>fuck and impregnate her i guess(consensually only or whatever im not your dad)
>????
>not profit because you will have to take care of your half breed brood but you should be fine

>>81638020
>Because your definition of "low quality" is like 50-60% of men
Clearly you've never heard of Sturgeon's Law.
Let's be realistic. It's more like 90%. 90% of men just aren't up to par.
According to this post here (>>81637355) these are the most desirable qualities a woman can have. So ask yourself, if you were one of the coveted 'perfect women' who chose not to sexually explore (sacrificing a lifetime of unique sexual encounters with other single strangers, mind you), commit to a single man for life, at the prime of her health and beauty (not allowed to wait until 30), committed to maintaining her figure, isn't a bitch 60% of the time, isn't in debt, takes time for mental health, and is low drama, what would you want and believe you deserve out of a partner? Now that you know how infinitely rare and desirable you are, why would you tolerate icks, tolerate turn-offs, tolerate fixer-uppers, problem men, manchildren, those demanding submission rather than encourage it, who don't shower, who play games all day, who no-life on internet sites?
Why would the perfect 1% woman want to date the collectible card equivalent of a Common?
In dating you can never take the Principle of Least Interest out of the equation. Nobody needs a basic man, but so many people need a 1% girl. If a man is going to do nothing to achieve that status of 1% man or even aspire to be in the 10% because of biological inferiority propaganda spread by pessimists on /r9k/, why should she pick a man she doesn't want?
>>81638020
>Things were so much better when women didn't have rights. Society is fucking collapsing and civilization as we know it is falling apart because they can vote now
Especially when it ultimately leads back to this. Force is the saving grace of all inferior men who want a 1% woman but cannot compel her to choose him willingly. He would want to return to a state of the world where inferior men could deny her agency in the world, deny her ability to object, and resist.

>>81638168
Do escorts count? Every contact I've had with women I've had to pay for and it was one sided

>>81638155
>a social credits genarator
appealing to some made up morality that doesn't exist I see
>an ego trip for me
Of course not, most nothing males strive to avoid contests of the ego because they know they will lose, it's why so many of you hate rap music
>a competition with people i've never met before
Yet you post in debates on /r9k/ about dating and women, competing to be right amongst people you've never met before. Clearly you immerse yourself in heavy levels of cognitive dissonance.
>i don't want to be socially accepted for who i date i don't care
When why are you dating her at all? Just be single. Clearly there is some meaning to relationships with women you have, otherwise you'd care so little you'd avoid them and their troubles. Finding a female partner DOES mean finding social acceptance. The moment you quit indulging in this evasive delusion that you aren't also a dim-witted member of humanity, the sooner you can formulate decent responses.

>>81638271
why didnt you rapemaxx bro? could have saved yourself a lot of money

>>81637258 (OP)
There are true incels, but they're very rare. I'm a failed volcel too insecure and fearful to approach women.

>>81638302
>There are true incels, but they're very rare.
No, there is no such thing as a truecel. Even truecels are volcel.

>>81638313
Do rapecels exist?

>>81638294
Because i live in an area with a high conviction rate plus i really dont have the urge to rape just get my rocks off then leave.

>>81638213
The reason why those women are desirable is because that used to be common. That used to be the common card. But then the standard for women hit the fucking floor while the standard for men sky rocketed. In the past these women didnt know they were rare, that is why you want to get them as early as possible. So they dont know what they are. Ideally keep their self esteem in check too while you are at it. All of this is needed since biologically women arent attracted to roughly 80-90% of men. Problem is you cant have a civilization if only 10% of men are reproducing. Things collapse or at best you get central africa or tribal bullshit congrats.

Also a man cant achieve 1% status because that status is always changing. Its always being pushed away. Get fit? Congrats, you still arent above average. Get rich? Congrats, still not enough. Do whatever else, still doesnt matter. In the end you basically have to accept it will never matter as a guy and you just have to hope God or the universe or something gifts a woman to you, and if not, you werent ever supposed to have one anyways.

Modern romance has been memed into a humiliation ritual.

I loathe how men are willingly becoming complacent with being cattle for the sake of women. Especially when there's so many other things you can put love into. You are putting on a jester costume to enter the roster of a woman's transactional and soulless history. Kids who are being raised on the fucking internet might actually think that the crux of "love" is impressing women and seeing it as a competitive game.

Love is not a game.

You will flaunt about the way you """worked on yourself""" to get the "girlfriend" but never asked yourself if she "worked on herself" and that's exactly the problem.

Even through all of this, you low key know that this transactional relationship will end one day at the behest of, you guessed it, the girl. and then you will feel LE SAD which only contributes to the bullshit soft-power women arbitrarily holds in modern dating culture, all perpetuated from arbitrary gender roles.

And the worst thing is that you passively ACCEPT THIS and you still continue to perpetuate it.

This is exactly why I actively support AI-companionship and artificial wombs. The thing that they will replace wasn't worth it in the first place.

>>81638420
truth
absolute truth

>>81638290
all non-arguments. modern dating is a soulless transactional humiliation ritual. relationships should be a pure and equal eternal bond, not one party "impressing" the other.

>>81638420
>This is exactly why I actively support AI-companionship
Holy fuck I was almost on board with you until you posted this, Mickey-Mouse-kun
AI companionship is ultrafucking pathetic, never do it. That AI girl does not love you bro, it's a LLM that types "I love you" back, don't be this fucking icky

>>81638420
This is something that stops me from trying to date too. I cant imagine doing the things i see guys do for women. I cant imagine caring more for someone than they do for me. And like you said, you could work your ass off, blow passed the standards and still get utterly crushed. Nothing matters. Its all up to metaphysics. There is nothing you can do so why bother "working on yourself" unless its literally for yourself. A woman wont give a shit and she never will give a shit because she never has had to work for anything

>>81638290
your response makes no sense because you started out the argument with you getting an ego rush by performing better than other people so you're just doubling down on your own retarded statements and trying to flip it on me with some armchair psychology thrown in.
i'm not debating with you you are debating with me in a onesided fashion.
if thats how you view relationshits fine more power to you i have already outlined my personal take on the issue and you have done the same any other response you make is you just jerking yourself off like you have accused me of doing.
> it's why so many of you hate rap music
I love rap by the way don't know why you added that in there has nothing to do with the topic but cool i guess

>>81637495

>The only reason you'd be hung up on this is if you CAN'T outperform her other partners

Not a great argument. Inevitably, someone is going to lose because having the best sexual performance amongst a woman's partners is a zero-sum game, so telling both parties, the winner and the losers, this kind of shit is just ignorant as fuck.

>>81637495
wrong sexual compatability is a meme anyways.
If you're gonna be together for fucking decades, you'll have all the time in the world to communicate and figure out what makes your partner tick, what feels good and what doesn't etc.
I believe as long as both partners are interested and willing to work with each other, they'll figure something out thats great for both of them.

What I care about is the experience of sharing that first time together with someone I want to spend the rest of my life with, who compleately trusts me and I trust her and we love each other, but we both have really no idea what the fuck we're doing and we just figure things out together and experiment with each others bodies and bond through that experience.


Even If I were with someone who knew I was a virgin and was fully okay with that who reassures me to get rid of any performance anxiety, and wanted to helpfully guide me on how it works as she already has experience etc... it'd just feel different, a lesser bonding experience, a little bit for me, especially for her.
(not just emotionally, but literally physically with different hormones and chemicals and shit in your body)
I think thats one of the major reasons why there's a strong statistical correlation between number of pre-marrital partners and divorce rate.