I'm a Christian from Finland and I'm tired of being ostracized and shunned. The worst part is that all the arguments against my faith are fallacies, straw men or something people misunderstand on purpose.
Because you have no concept of empathy, you can't possibly understand how hard life is for me.
For instance, I will die a virgin incel because a straight white Christian male doesn't have a female counterpart in this world. I will suffer a lifetime because of who I am. I've been searching for a gf day and night for the last 5 years with no results so here I am having pointless discussions with you guys.

To sum it up, I will list some of the things anons refuse to understand:
>"Christianity is evil because they killed people in the 1500s"
No, that's corrupt political leaders using Christianity as an excuse for their games. Jesus had nothing to do with that. The message of Jesus is about empathy and love.

>"Speaking of empathy and love, we already have LGBT for that. Why would I need Jesus?"
LGBT stole our rainbow, stole our core values, and try to pass it off as the new better religion except that instead of feeling shame when you've sinned, you are to feel Pride. Hedonism and wanting to have your cake and eating it too is typical to our time. Christianity offers one very unique thing that no other religion or movement does: salvation. Jesus is the only one who can forgive your sins and wash them away. No human can do that for you. Not even the court. Even if you go to prison and do your time, it doesn't matter, only Jesus can truly forgive you.

>"It's fuckin DAMB to believe in some sky dude sitting on a cloud."
Not really. I'm a physicist, and most atheists I meet are plumbers. The problem is that you straw man God as some literal guy sitting on a literal cloud. But there's no point in debating over the matter, since you've already decided on an emotional level that you don't want God to exist. Now you're just trying to validate that feeling.

i'm not reading your post about that but i will read your post about el head

>>81648752 (OP)
>no one panders to my chosen faith wah wah wah
golly gee what a fag

>>81648752 (OP)
>No, that's corrupt political leaders using Christianity as an excuse for their games. Jesus had nothing to do with that. The message of Jesus is about empathy and love.
Jesus isnt christianity. Christianity is the church. Jesus never even used the word Christ he wouldve said messiah.

>>81648752 (OP)
More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason.

Faith runs afoul of proof. It is inherently separate from data. Your ilk are told what to believe, and it isn't right. You should be allowed to believe what you want, but expecting anything more is a corruption of morality caused by the beliefs you were given. If people don't like you, then maybe you should face your beliefs instead of trying to change everyone else.

I have no sympathy for Christians. They've enabled Jewish subversion. You're just a spiritual Jew. Please die.

>>81648863
>More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason.
That says more about people than God. You're just twisting things into whatever supports your emotional bias.

>Your ilk are told what to believe, and it isn't right
Sounds like LGBT + feminism which is the current belief system.
You're literally not allowed to criticize it, but you are allowed to criticize Christianity.

>>81648752 (OP)
>If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first
>If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own

Also, you shouldn't be searching for a girlfriend and feeling desperate for the lack of one. The focus is on Jesus and the salvation he brings to those who have faith. Don't distract yourself with earthly things and carnal impulses. Understand it is natural, but move on.

People sin, people are ignorant, but remember that everybody is doing their best, no matter how disappointingly. Don't waste your time forcing your belief onto others; if you see they aren't receptive, drop it.
>Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces

>>81648752 (OP)
I didn't believe until I had a paranormal experience.

>>81649153

Anon, do you understand how hard I struggle in this world? It's like everything is upside down. What I consider good and wholesome is considered bad by society. What I consider sinful and degenerate is celebrated by society.
I don't have Christian friends so I often feel stranded.

>>81648752 (OP)
idk what to say to you man, same situation in romania but the people doubting you are literal gypsy criminals not other whites.

>>81648752 (OP)
If you ever feel shaken in faith I recommend these channels.
https://www.youtube.com/@GodsVoiceTodayPodcast
https://www.youtube.com/@stephenconidaris

>>81649329
Stephen deserves more views. Very interesting videos.

>>81648752 (OP)
Jesus never said being a christian would be easy and heck just look at all the stuff he went through
>you've already decided on an emotional level that you don't want God to exist. Now you're just trying to validate that feeling.
yeah i agree with this but you should pity them really i mean they're like little kids who are super angry at the idea of right and wrong even existing because they don't wanna be told what to do
even though life itself corroborates christian teachings
>Christianity offers one very unique thing that no other religion or movement does: salvation
that's not true and you shouldn't say it is
imo you should never base your arguments in carrots and sticks because they aren't necssary - if someone has to be bribed into faith then they aren't really faithful

i think you need to step back and look at yourself: read your own post as though it were someone else's
if you are surrounded by faithless people who are enraged at the idea of faith then (firstly i can relate and it sucks) they aren't people you want to associate with particularly anyway
of course, you often have to and you shouldn't judge them - you should have sympathy and pity but they're fundamentally incompatible with your life

stop looking for a gf and focus on just building your life and making friendships around you: have a little faith

>>81648752 (OP)
You're the same homophobe in the other thread claiming pride is being pushed on kids, aren't you?
You deserve ostracism

>>81648752 (OP)
>LGBT stole our rainbow
The rainbow was never yours. It's a natural phenomenon that predates your religion

>>81648904
whats the alternative aristotelianism? lmao

>>81648752 (OP)
>Christianity offers one very unique thing that no other religion or movement does: salvation
Not really.
What Christianity does is offer generalized condemnation for everyone
And then it pretends to offer a solution to that
It's like a con artist who breaks windows and then offer to fix them. It's the ultimate grift.
Pic related is your faith.

>>81649651
Are you so desperate for meaning that you must resort to ancient literature?
If so, stick to Buddhism

>>81648752 (OP)
>Hedonism and wanting to have your cake and eating it too
It's more than that. Heterosexual people are allowed to pursue happiness in monogamous relationships and thus feel their share of love and companionship in life. But for queers, Christianity offers only loneliness and shame and guilt.
It's ultimately an evil religion that preaches that the vast majority of humanity is being tortured in the afterlife forever more

>>81648981
No, you are. You want more religious people, but you ignore what that means. You only accept reality when it caters to your beliefs. You literally hold your beliefs --on faith--.

>Sounds like LGBT
You are allowed to believe what you want, stop being insincere. Criticizing something is distinct from belief, which is distinct from data. You can believe what you want, but science is not faith. Your conflation of these concepts is the crux of your argument: Christianity is right because faith is science.

I don't criticize you because I believe there is no god, I criticize you because you are wrong about material reality. However, I will set the record straight and say there is no god. That is my belief, not data. There is no data to support or denounce god.

>>81649251
You consider the persecution and ostracism of queer people good and wholesome.
I take pleasure in knowing that your religion is making you lonely. You deserve to suffer because of it, just like your religion made countless people suffer throughout history. It's only fair.

>>81649705
>>81649642
>>81649613

Can we somehow hide this poster please

I'm recognizing him in several threads, something's not right if I can always tell it's the same gay

>>81648981
>That says more about people than God
No it doesn't. The source material is evil in its foundation.
Just look at you. Your biggest stake pro Christianity is using it to shame and demoralize queer people

>>81649755
You have no arguments. You came to anonymous board to preach your religious proselytism and only hear what you want to hear?
Bad move. I'll make sure you get the message that your fairy tale and your moral grandstanding doesn't belong here. I'll rejoice from you being a lonely celibate . You are after all jealous of gays as you have admitted before

>>81649757

NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR SEXUALITY OR UNDERLYING SHAME

LITERALLY GO FUCK YOUR BOYFRIEND NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK

>>81649784
>>81649757
>>81649747
>>81649732
>>81649705

You're literally the most violent and most dangerous seeming poster on 4chan ngl
Potential terrorist

t. not the guy you're replying too

>>81649791
You seem to give a fuck if that's the 3rd thread you made today arguing about your faith versus LGBT people
Get mad, incel. You think this is your church? Jesus is choking on Satan's cock as we speak

>>81649791
>>81648752 (OP)
The reason why you didn't hear about queer children questioning their sexualities when you were young, is because those children were being silenced by bullying and prejudice. We existed, but in the shadows.
Queerness is not being pushed on kids. Queer children exist. You want to push shame and religious indoctrination back on children, so they can go back to the closet and live in fear and taboo like it was in your early days.

>>81649819

Not a very tolerant thing to say.

>You think this is your church?
To be fair, this is a right-wing website and you know it. That's why you're here, because you crave vaildation from your enemies so you'd feel more of a victim.

>>81649819
No one wants you here, fag

>>81649791
You saw you were being intellectually defeated beyond recover in the last two threads, so you made a third one.
Go ahead and make a 4th, a 5th and a 6th if you must. I'll be there to remind you how full of shit your religion is.

>>81649601
>if you are surrounded by faithless people who are enraged at the idea of faith then (firstly i can relate and it sucks) they aren't people you want to associate with particularly anyway
tf you do if you have only met such people?
>stop looking for a gf and focus on just building your life and making friendships around you: have a little faith
Why not have a wife?

>>81649876
No one wants your christ cuck fetish here, incel

>>81649816
Terrorism is done in the name of religion in the grand, grand majority of cases. War is done in the name of religion (even though it is largely because of power) in the grand majority of cases. Religion is historically the quintessential justification for atrocity.

>>81649884
Keep telling me how much your faith makes you lonely and miserable, it brings me great pleasure.

>>81648752 (OP)
Your fake prophet is having gay sex in hell

>>81649857
>Queer children exist

If you're saying children are sexual beings, you're saying pedophilia is justified.

>>81649943
Animals are sexual beings and you're not allowed to fuck them.
Children can't consent. Their sexuality is their own, not to be exploited by adults.
You have no problem saying children are heterosexual beings.

>>81649911
>Terrorism is done in the name of religion in the grand, grand majority of cases. War is done in the name of religion (even though it is largely because of power) in the grand majority of cases. Religion is historically the quintessential justification for atrocity.

Yeah, and my point has always been that LGBT / feminism / leftism is the modern religion.
It literally is a religion. I mean, you're not even allowed to criticize it without facing violence from leftist terrorists (such as you guy)

>>81648752 (OP)
Christ cucks are the pests of the internet

Go fuck yourself

>>81648752 (OP)
May our Lord Watch over you and Protect you
May He shine upon you and be Gracious
May He turn towards you and give you Peace

>>81649958

If children are sexual beings, why cant they consent, anon?
I'm asking seriously. Let's start with a 17-year-old girl. Why is it that I cant fuck a 17yo? I need to know.

>>81648752 (OP)
This is the way God tells you to take the path of celibacy and becoming a monk

>>81649961
No it isn't. LGBT has no dogma, no doctrine, no source material, no ecclesiastical hierarchy, no prayers, no saints, no system of worship, nothing that could make it look like a religion remotely.
That's why you can be a christian, muslim, Buddhist, hindu or any other flavor of mythology and also be LGBT.

>>81649973
>why cant they consent,
Same reason why they can't drive cars, drink beers and vote

>>81648752 (OP)
There's a big difference between the potential for the existence of god or a creator, and Christianity being the correct religion. I've heard many decent arguments for the existence of a god or creator but not one as to why Christianity of all the religions is the correct one and that Jesus really was god, or the son of god, or both at the same time or whatever.

>>81649936
>>81649819
>>81649757

There are homosexuals on both sides of the political spectrum, but the ones on the left or associated with the lgbt make it a substantial part of their personality and widely and (alas) proudly announce it to the world, while the reasonable ones tend to just live normal lives and not associate with these cliques past finding themselves a same sex partner.
I'm disappointed in you. You have made homosexuality your entire identity, like you were nothing else, just gay.

>>81650019
Lot of words to say that right wing christian gays hide their sexuality in Shame.
It is the religion of suffering after all.

Pride movement is mass producing lesbian girls and trans persons. Pic related is why.

>>81649998
>No it isn't. LGBT has no dogma, no doctrine, no source material, no ecclesiastical hierarchy, no prayers, no saints, no system of worship, nothing that could make it look like a religion remotely.

True, but what worries me most about LGBT is that you absolutely positively can't say a word against it. Not even question parts of it. If I ask you guys why Pride lasts for 30 days instead of like 3, you guys will attack me which you have done even in this thread.
I get brutally and violently REKT by the "happy tolerant people" every time I ask a goddamn question.

I say LGBT is a religion because that sorta logic is how religion worked in the 1500s. That makes the anti-religion sentiment seem so ironic.

>>81648752 (OP)
I feel you anon. I feel like the last christian on earth. Talk about depressing. And we know we're right about everything too. We see atheists/secularists destroying themselves and others on a daily basis and they still won't listen to our moral teachings. There's nothing we can do except preach.

>>81650059
Do you really believe that advertising can make you gay? Even if it could, why is that wrong? Is it wrong to influence people? If so, you won't like the result of interacting with anybody in any time period for any reason.

Could it be that an ostracized group wants to feel community?

Perhaps you have a point, though. Maybe if you took out the obvious hatred you hold for people different from you, you could make a serious argument against advertising for children.

>>81649884
>tf you do if you have only met such people?
it's just where i live and my career
>Why not have a wife?
when you're ready you'll meet someone: this desperation and bitterness makes it very clear that you aren't ready to have kids

>>81649329
This is why christianity is the one true religion. How many hindus have paranormal experiences that prove their gods are real?

>>81650018
>there logically is some kind of prime mover to the universe
Okay. Maybe.
>the prime mover obviously turned into a baby Jew and came to visit Earth in a tiny Palestine town nobody cared about at the time, he got a job and then babbled nonsense for a while until he got executed by the police for talking shit.
Uh, what?
>Then he came back to life except nobody really noticed, then he flew away never to be seen again. A few guys attempted to write down what they kind of remembered the prime mover said but the collaboration didn't sync up at all and that's the only record we have of the creator of the entire fucking universe.
No.

Don't listen to these born again cultists disguised as agnostic-theists trying to "logically" explain Rabbi Yeshua.

>>81649251
>do you understand how hard I struggle in this world?
>I don't have Christian friends so I often feel stranded.
I understand it perfectly. We have to carry our crosses. Be strong, know Jesus hopes you will make it. We all go trough darker moments. If demons attack us, if they tempt us, it is because we are on the correct path and they are desperate for us to renounce God.

>>81648752 (OP)
Talking like that makes it seem you got into Christianity because you wanted a virgin trad wife and not because you actually believe in it

>>81648752 (OP)
Are you Lutheran Catholic Orthodox or larping

>>81650127
>How many hindus have paranormal experiences that prove their gods are real?
A few million? Just because you can't read their language doesn't mean they aren't doing exactly what you do but with blue monster-men instead of Jews.

r/hinduism is full of jeets sharing experiences of talking to Ganesha, seeing lights coming off of statues, hearing voices, etc

>Help! My religion is one of three major religions that enjoys unparalleled amounts of rights enshrined by various states and a legal system based on the morality of my belief system

>BUT IM LITERALLY BEING OPPRESSED BY NOT EVERYONE THINKING LIKE ME!!!

>Why can't the stupid heretics just believe in my Jewish invisible friend too!!! REEEEEE!!!!

Why are christgolems like this?

>>81650018
I've said for years
>it's easy to believe in God but it's difficult to believe in religion
"God" doesn't have to be more than the prime mover: God doesn't even need to be conscious or aware and certainly not in any way that we imagine it.
However, God still ordained things. People think religion and evolution are somehow at odds but this is complete nonsense and Darwin was a religious man. Religion is and has always been very evolutionarily fit and the teachings of Christ and some other faiths are also evolutionarily fit. I would assert that Christianity is the most fit but that's a distraction anyway because dogmatic adherence to any cult is irrelevant to faith in God.
God has ordained that promiscuous sex is bad - it causes infertility and other diseases. God has ordained that incest is bad. God has ordained that working together is good. The list goes on.
There is also the matter of metaphysics. We know a world which does not exist through the realm of forms: we know what a perfect sphere is despite that fact we probably never see one in reality. We know what justice and malice is despite the fact that they are not reducible to examples. All of these things can well be called parts of God: they are a part of creation beyond reality that we still experience. Again, God does not have to do or want anything but to the extent that societies founded with certain pillars outperform others it is fair to say that these are pious ideals imo.
Hopefully this is enough to outline the idea anyway.

>>81650480
>God has ordained that promiscuous sex is bad
>so anyway metaphysics...

Born again cultist wearing a agnostic-deist mask. Either god is an invisible force or he's King Yahweh of Yisreal sitting on a cloud writing down rules. He's not both at once. He's not Schrodinger's deity that changes depending on what argument you're having online.

Stop getting logical and then peppering in "My ghostly sky king commands...". It makes you look like the dishonest grifter your kind are.

>>81650480
>If I muddy the waters enough about what the definition of God is that will make my argument for Gods existence more persuasive.

Nigga you would have been burned at the stake by actual believers for that level of heresy back in the day. They used to kill people for rejecting the idea of the trinity. They used to kill people for thinking the sabbath should be on Saturday.

>>81650571
You don't know what ordained means and you are significantly more emotionally invested than me.
Promiscuous sex is bad because of stds and the breakdown of pair bonding as well as other factors. Not because "le sky daddy says so": evolution says so.
You're either building heaven on Earth or hell on Earth by either living in a godly way or not doing.

>>81650464
>Why are christgolems like this?
Their perfect, invincible incarnation of God was persecuted by traditional religion and Roman occupiers. Therefore they desire to be persecuted themselves to be more like their slave-king.

They literally own the planet, especially if you count their parent religion and the other spin-off yet can't stop crying about how persecuted they are. They secretly want you to stick them to a pole so they can show their master how lowly they are and how much they suffer to win his favor.

>>81650607
>trinity
didn't they steal that idea from plato?

>>81650607
Jesus was killed as a heretic so I don't see the relevance. I never said I was a christian either; I just said I like them the most. I started my post with
>it's easy to believe in God but it's difficult to believe in religion
So idk why you follow up by saying
>omg organized religion would dislike you!!
Yeah? So what. Most religious institutions are corrupt and just want tithes.

>>81648752 (OP)
>Because you have no concept of empathy, you can't possibly understand how hard life is for me.
You are a complete hypocrite

>>81650632
Probably. They stole so much from various other religions that the modern form of Christianity would make the historical Rabbi Jesus scratch his head as to why his followers were painting colored eggs and leaving presents under a decorated tree and dressing up like ghosts asking strangers for candy.

Indeed. It's such a bizarre state of affairs. Like slaves after a successful slave revolt complaining about how hard they have to work as they whip their enslaved former masters.

What becomes of the professional victim when there is no one left to victimize them?

>>81650615
>the breakdown of pair bonding
A new invention of humankind after the neolithic age and the concept of ownership. No hunter gatherer tribes pair-bonded for 180000 years.

Literally zero cultures besides the sad-sack Hebrews of the North Star hated sexuality. Yeah, they had ideas of don't fuck all day and don't rape, but that's just a common sense rule. I can't think of one. Greeks, Romans, Saxons, Norse, Goths, Scythians, Hindus, Buddhists, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, Mongols, Confucians, Zoroastrians. Not fucking one treats sexuality as a taboo or a bad thing until Yahweh came along.

>>81650679
>Like slaves after a successful slave revolt complaining about how hard they have to work as they whip their enslaved former masters.
in the end the roman empire won even if they had to use christianity as their vehicle

>>81648752 (OP)
>Because you have no concept of empathy, you can't possibly understand how hard life is for me.
WAAHHHH WAHHHH, 4CHIN ANONS ARE MEAN TO MEEEE WAAAAHHHH WAHHH.
You realize you guys kill and oppress sexual minorities right?

>"Speaking of empathy and love, we already have LGBT for that. Why would I need Jesus?"
No one has ever substituted homosexuality for religion. This is no more an argument than it is a strawman. You guys are just so retarded you think people with any sort of principles are part of some new "woke religion" Every atheist homosexual rejects the need for any religion.

>Christianity offers one very unique thing that no other religion or movement does: salvation
kek, ever heard of Islam? Or like literally any other Universalist religion?

>>81650607
>muddy the waters enough about what the definition of God is
Also the waters are inherently muddy. Anyone who claims to intimately and perfectly know God is patently lying. It is self evident that God doesn't (or at least makes great efforts to conceal whenever they do) intervene. We do not have a God which comes down all the time and makes themselves known and neither do we have a God which demands worship and tribute. How do we know this? Because if we did then God would do it. It isn't hard to understand why a person would say
>oh yeah God loves money he needs a lot of it and he said give it to me
>you better come into my house every weekend and pay respect or uhhh God is gonna get ya!
God would make this a self evident truth if it were true or why would they create people who exist in places and times where it isn't even possible? If God is unjust and cruel then they aren't a God worth following but if they were so then we wouldn't have the freedom we do anyway.

>>81650635
And you are missing the larger point I was making that religion isn't just some harmless philosophical though experiment. It carries real world consequences and people who use faith based reasoning are often more than willing to use violence and the threat of death to push their ideas.

Because you can use evidence based reasoning to argue against and disprove on its own terms faith based thinking.

But you cannot use faith based thinking even on it's own terms to disprove evidence based reasoning because to do so would still require...evidence. As in once you use faith based reasoning how can you invalidate someone else's faith based reasoning short of killing them? Because if beliefs are simply a matter of blind faith then how can one make any real qualitative judgements of one against another using faith based reasoning? You can't. It always boils down to
>Nuh Uh
>Your wrong I'm right end of discussion
There's no where else to go it by definition has to end in bloodshed because it has precluded itself from argumentation.

>>81650694
Marriage existed across the planet before Christianity so idk wtf you are babbling about. The Japanese were getting married well before Christians showed up.
>No hunter gatherer tribes pair-bonded for 180000 years.
Nice completely unfalsifiable claim. Some types of monkeys damn well pairbond so I'm going to assert that this is nonsense.
>inb4 appeal to authority

I never said sexuality was bad either. God evidently wants us to enjoy sex but to do so in moderation. You are attacking a strawman and completely ignoring my posts. Stds exist and therefore promiscuous sex is bad it is literally that simple.

>>81650618
Whoops sorry second part of this response
>>81650679
starting with "indeed" was meant for you.

>>81650696
I'm not so sure. All empires rise and fall just as all groups wax and wane in their own strength and membership. It wasn't so long ago that everyone though the existence of Zeus was an obvious and eternal truth. But these days Zeus is reduced to a cartoon character and a myth.

>>81650703
It gets even funnier when they have to denounce and deny homosexual theists and priests.

>>81650710
It's a bit beyond the scope of what I can put down in one post, but I'll put it to you like this. Take a good look sometime at the history of religion on an anthropological scale. Not just the history of any single religion, but the aggregate history of all of them. Continued in next post

>>81650728
>people who use faith based reasoning are often more than willing to use violence and the threat of death to push their ideas.
If they are Christian then they are liars and would justify their violence by something else - religion was just the most convenient excuse to hand at that time. Christ was vehemently pacifist.
>I have never heard of theology or even rationalism
Anon countless very intelligent people have been discussing God for millennia. Just because Cleetus goes
>darn diddly the bible says *wrong interpretation of a translation of a translation x100* so i say kill em all!
Does not mean that that is Christian.

>>81650788
Before you even write a bunch of irrelevant garbage about how "people did le bad thing and said religion was why" like me point you back to
>>81650480
>it's easy to believe in God but it's difficult to believe in religion
Religion is made by man not God and to that extent it inherits all the flaws of man. Jesus didn't write the bible either - men did. So even if Jesus was God come down to Earth, his church is fallible because it was made by men.

>>81650757
>Marriage existed across the planet before Christianity
Neolithic age: 10000BC - 2000BC I am not arguing against that. Before that? Rare if it ever happened. Literally zero evidence of pairing even among living hunter-gatherers without permanent settlements (still 20 million of them walking around out there).

>Stds exist and therefore promiscuous sex is bad it is literally that simple.
Yet you extrapolate that to God ordains it. Did god create the viruses and bacteria that lead to the STDs? Maybe he wants the STDs to reproduce and thrive, maybe by not having unprotected sex you're harming the virus population. God probably ordains that you fuck until your dick burns, I mean, who can say?

>>81650814
If your argument is reliant on me producing evidence on a very esoteric period which is incredibly difficult to research then I can only say lmao ok.
>Did god create the viruses and bacteria that lead to the STDs?
Yes, it's called evolution.
Please google what ordain means instead of assuming it means "command".
>Maybe he wants the STDs to reproduce and thrive, maybe by not having unprotected sex you're harming the virus population.
From the perspective of a virus, that would probably be true. However, we don't know if viruses have any sort of consciousness whatsoever. The only sapient being we know of is man. Therefore, the spaient God is our God and our God does not want us to indulge in certain behaviors - they are punished in life, they harm our societal leviathan, and they sew the seeds of decay.
You can choose to slide into rot and "evil" or you can build towards "good". Yes, these terms are subjective and yet it is self evident which is which.

>>81650788
>Continued in next post
From the earliest humans there was a belief in animism/spiritualism where everything was believed to have a spirit and these spirits could influence the world around. Rocks had spirits, animals had spirits, there were great spirits, lesser spirits, house spirits ect. Over time as humans transitioned to polytheism the idea was that some "greater spirits" were more important than others and these became Gods whose domain usually encompassed several important domains. So the Fertility Godess was also the goddess of beauty, love, youth, etc. The Thunder God was also the God of war, and so on. But these Gods were still just "greater spirits" with a new label "God". Then over time as humanity transitioned towards monotheism the idea was that it made no sense to have all these different competing Gods since there should be one God who was more powerful than all the others. At first this was Zeus but then as humanity made it semi-final transition towards the Abrahamatic monotheistic Gods it was not even acknowledged that there could be the possibility of other gods, they became demons and illusions. So think about that for a second. We went from acknowledging multiple Gods to only one.

Doesn't it seem inevitable that the next step will be to simply discard the Idea altogether? You don't exactly see a whole lot of people claiming spiritism or polytheism as their religion these days. Even the Hindus have a main God who sits above the rest.

>>81650882
>over the history of man people have had a long conversation about a difficult topic and progressively refined and advanced their ideas
>Doesn't it seem inevitable that the next step will be to simply discard the Idea altogether?
No, that is a ridiculous leap which does not follow whatsoever from what you said. Moreover, you don't understand Christianity because there are divine beings other than God they just are not God.
>they became demons
You even admit it. A demon is a "god" they are just not God. It's gods vs God where the gods are not really gods even if they are somehow magical.
Either way, this is all about an interventionist God (because you can't have non interventionist gods) which isn't relevant to the existence of God.

>>81650806
Not looking at the bigger picture and still trying to reduce things down to the more manageable arena of debating christian semantics

See
>>81650882
for a more comprehensive picture

>>81650789
What people say and what people do are not separated simply by denouncing them after the fact. They might be hypocrites for acting against the supposed beliefs but they are still Christians and they still did those things they don't get a free pass by having their descendants denounce it after the fact.

As to your second point people can play whatever word games they want and pass it off as intellectual discussion. Still doesn't change the fact that people are debating illusory fictions against reality.

If I debated with you that Batman was the one true god of this world the amount of time that debate went on would not add one bit of validity to the statement "batman is the one true god" neither would it indicate future pro-batman believers were any less culpable for the actions of their fore-bearers if they committed atrocities in Batmans name.

Oddly enough you are making a disguised "But it wasn't real communism!" type argument.

>>81648752 (OP)
Christians are not oppressed in the west.

>>81650931
>still trying to reduce things down to the more manageable arena
Yes, it's called theology. It's a metaphysic but most people don't know what that is.
>facetious nonsense
Your argument is tantamount to
>the legal system makes mistakes so we should simply do away with legalism entirely
Theology exists entirely independently of what happens on Earth or in this universe. However, just like other metaphysics such as mathematics and idealism, it manifests in reality and we experience it. On the most basic level this is as evolution.

>>81648752 (OP)
Why are nords objectively the worst white people in existence?

>>81651075
>finns
>nords

>>81648752 (OP)
What about these people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Laestadianism

>>81648752 (OP)
Plenty of religious folk where I am in America. Personally I'm not religious and don't care for it. I don't need the promise of heaven to motivate myself to do good things and be a good person. Nor do I think others will go to hell for doing specific things or being a bad person as if anyone can't be redeemed ever. If religion is what motivates you and makes you happy then you should treasure it I sincerely believe in a live and let live world.

>>81650945
More so than any other religion.
Name one religion other than christianity that will get you beat up for supporting in the middle of a left wing crowd.

>>81648752 (OP)
>>81651228
>Name one religion other than christianity that will get you beat up for supporting in the middle of a left wing crowd
>left-wing crowd
And that is the problem in the whole thread. Just interact with other people or get to a city where there is a christian majority. It is not that hard.
They will die out anyways they have very low birth rates

>>81651247
>you're not oppressed
>just live somewhere else

>>81651260
Yes?
>I'm being beaten up! What do you mean get out of the beaten me up party? Are you crazy???

>>81648752 (OP)
Based Finland. Hope it gets worse OP!

>>81648752 (OP)
>Not really. I'm a physicist, and most atheists I meet are plumbers
AGREED WITH EVERYTHING YOU WROTE UNTIL THIS

ALL WORSHIPPERS OF THE MANAGERIAL CLASS WHO LOOK DOWN UPON THE LABORERS WHO FACILITATE THEIR PROGRESS MUST HANG.

>>81651286
By this definition nobody is oppressed because you can just go somewhere else.

>>81651612
If you can go somewhere else where you are accepted and you aren't being threatened with death, then yes, you aren't fully oppressed.
And no, means words aren't the same as being killed or thrown into forced labor. You aren't a kulak.

>>81651228
yeah probably because you're doing something like holding up an anti abortion sign in front of an abortion clinic or something

>>81651669
If he did this it would be based but instead he is only arguing on the interwebs.

>>81651228
you're living in a delusional reality. I can't think of a single case where a Christian got beaten up by antifa thugs for being Christian, there aren't left wing mobs hunting you down for your faith, your situation isn't even comparable to say Iranian Christians

>seeing Christian complain while I'm really suffering

Christianity is the world's most popular religion, you're normies.

>>81649998
The whole LGBT thing is the belief that sin is good and that you should just dedicate your life to things that feel good on the surface which is opposite to almost every religion. A Christian certainly cannot be pro LGBT. It has been clearly displayed in the scripture that God loves all his children, even the biggest sinners. Therefore the doors of salvation are open to fags as much as anyone else on this Earth and that doesn't change based on how many times they succumb to their demons, but taking part in LGBT is actively denouncing God and refusing the salvation.

>>81648752 (OP)
It's bleak in Finland but you probably are not alone. There could be some Christian groups that hang out after church somewhere.

>>81652264
If it's like the usa there's literally millions of churches, he's just being a well christian and they claim to be persecuted like every jew.

You should try being in a group that thinks Christianity is paganism.

>>81648752 (OP)
You'd fit right in America where evangelical christians have this persecution complex that the whole entire establishment is against them and out to destroy them when in reality they're just trying to live out this martydom fantasy of christ like proportions. Same thing with faggot leftists in deep blue cities as well, protesting because ICE arrested a few illegals who most likely had ties to some cartel or just plain shouldn't be here. The whole establishment is "out to get them" because they don't bend over to far left radical policies. Fucking insane

Tonight on Yet Another Member of the World's Most Powerful, Influential and Wealthy Religion Somehow Believes Himself an Outcast.

>>81652950
It's popularity is doubled edged for OP since he will never be free from it.

Christians really do just make Christian puns all day.

I dont particularly dislike christians or christianity but god it's annoying how bluepilled you guys are. "Hate everything about society and your own life?Just seek god, bro! All of your problems will magically go away!"

>>81648752 (OP)
>I'm a Christian from Finland and I'm tired of being ostracized and shunned.
You know what's funny about being ostracized and shunned? The lifetime of being ostracized and shunned just primed me to find Christianity appealing.

>For instance, I will die a virgin incel because a straight white Christian male doesn't have a female counterpart in this world. I will suffer a lifetime because of who I am.
Hey, you know, there's a Chinese proverb. Before you complain about how you have no shoes, go out and find a man who's lost his feet. You have EU citizenship by birthright! You have your foreskin! You can go anywhere, even to Italy! Cheer up son.

Anyway, something random I wanted to make a thread about but saw an AI Jesus in the catalog and decided I'd just post it here. This movie I watched recently got me thinking about Christianity all of a sudden. About forgiveness, nakedness of the soul through confession, and repentance. I also thought of George MacDonald's quote describing heaven:
>...the regions where there is only life, and therefore all that is not music is silence.

Maybe give it a watch or something if you're bored. I think it's really interesting.

>>81653138
It's because all other issues in life are inferior and just a manifestation of the material world. It's hard to put any political or cultural issues on a pedestal high enough to think they are as worthy worrying about as faith in the one entity that has power over all that and more. Besides, when it comes to injustices in life you will also see in time that no answer is good enough and each good ideology can become a bad one in a short timespan.

>>81648752 (OP)
Hey man i used to be like you, untill i realized that every single church today is corrupted and fallen away from original ante nicene christianity. I began ti research archeology and other andcient myths and can say for certain the bible is just another of them. The events described in it DID NOT HAPPEN

>>81652252
They do not believe sin is good, they do not worship satan. They do not believe 4000 year old desert mythology is the ultimate truth of the universe, thus it should not be used to tell anyone who they can and cannot love

>>81653955
?? They literally encourage people to have sex with the same sexed individuals if they feel like it and show off their SM leather gear. You don't need to hail satan to be evil, although we have seen them doing that too.

>>81654251
>They literally encourage people to have sex with the same sexed individuals
yes, now tell me why that is objectively wrong without appealing to desert mythology

>>81655108
>lgbt is compatible with christianity
>they aren't, but don't appreciate sin and satanism
>they do, but the sin is actually good
We are here in the backpedal sprint

It's a sin and it's bad for the same reason why indulging in all other vices is a sin. It fries your brain constantly wanting more depraved shit. I don't even need to explain it because in the goon age we all know the pitfalls. Sexuality is a necessary evil best utilized when formalized in marriage where it serves to form a family and create new life. Everything outside of that does a disservice to the man or woman, regardless if it's fucking 1000 dudes heterosexually or fags going at it. All it leaves in its wake is fried happy chemical receptors, emotional wrecks and in case of fags horrible diseases such as AIDS and monkeypox.

Being a christian in 2025 is usually a red flag to most people that you are too weak to rawdog life and need faithcope in order to keep going. Is that fair? Yes it is because you are clearly a giant pussy and type like an obnoxious fag.

>>81651586
Not OP, but I'm another Christian from Finland, and it is getting worse here. I wish they split this country into two already: a predominantly Christian one and an atheist one.

>>81655372
On the other hand if you're an atheist in 2025 that only means you're an NPC afraid to stick out.

>>81655356
I never said its compatible, i asked if you could tell me why its wrong WITHOUT appealing to desert mythology (sin) if it is clearly wrong and anyone can see it then you could argue it is evil. If instead you need religion to explain that it is wrong then you cannot judge anyone who isnt already part of your religion

>>81655773
what if you're neither?

>>81655356
And if you want to appeal to promiscuity then call out heterosexual cheaters aswell. And while youre there explain why the god given ideal pair of man and woman has a higher divorce rate than the depraved disgusting male-male pair?

>>81655773
As opposed to the free and tolerant dark ages where you could totally speak your mind out against the church without fear

>>81648752 (OP)
Sure you're not ostracised for being a fag?

>>81655861
Depends on where you live and who you're surrounded by

>>81655870
>And if you want to appeal to promiscuity then call out heterosexual cheaters aswell.
I already did

>And while youre there explain why the god given ideal pair of man and woman has a higher divorce rate than the depraved disgusting male-male pair?
You can call anything a marriage, a girl 'marrying' her dog, a dude 'marrying' a toaster, fags 'marrying' each other, or a dude and a girl getting 'married' with fingers crossed behind their back. I don't know what you think you can prove with divorce rates in a society where women are incentivized to wreck marriages if they feel slightly inconvenienced and where marriage is not even considered to be anything other than normal relationships.

Why are fags also much more likely to be pedos? Why are they more likely to indulge in shit eating and disgusting fetishes? Why do they have such a need to copy heterosexual marriages down to even adopting kids that they can't produce themselves?