What are your honest thoughts on antinatalism?

>>81658516 (OP)
bunch of pussies allowing their fear to control them

>>81658516 (OP)
all the shitty overeducated pencil pushers convincing themselves its a sin to be alive for the last 50 years is the reason the entire world is collapsing because it turns out its actually deepseated misanthrophic nihilism and its impossible to do anything but destroy when thats how you view the world

Anti-white Jewish propaganda. You don't see any niggers advocating for it, makes you wonder why

I support it, but the people that promote it often get caught being hypocritical and not using the argument against African, Israeli and Muslim majority nations. Either you're anti natalist or you're not. You can't be selective unless you're willing to defend your hypocrisy.

If it turns you into Gary inmendham or those guys who blew up that fertility clinic then I'd rather be pro-natalist

>>81658516 (OP)
Incels will say it's bad, but neve have children themselves, kek.

>>81658540
The biggest proponents of it were China with the 1 child policy, which is Communist and has 0 jews in prominent positions within the government

>>81658516 (OP)
>Oh your natural urges are being overridden by a social engineering campaign that convinces you fulfillment lies in being a wage cuck, always chasing the next thrill or vapid fleeting experience
What a cohencidence

>>81658545
I think you just made up a strawman. I believe humanity should just go extinct.

>>81658557
Jews were the ones that introduced communism to China. Look up maos early cabinet.

>>81658557
That's controlled growth, not the same. Nice try though, Chaim. Antinatalism is nihilistic trash.

>>81658516 (OP)
mindset for losers

>>81658572
No I didn't. No prominent anti natalist speaker will talk about the fertility rates in Africa, isreal, or other non-white majority countries. They solely talk about historically white and Asian countries. If you think I'm wrong, please name one anti natalist that went to Africa and preached about it.

>>81658516 (OP)

It's rational. Antinatalism is a pure rationality check. But people disagree because their impulses emotionally hijack them into supporting breederism like the animals they are.

>>81658557
China was a corrupt shithole in the hands of the US that was bound to collapse before Xi took over (and ended the one child policy). By the end of it Jews may as well have been holding official positions. Also communism is Jewish. And it also had nothing to do with antinatalism has they didn't forbid people to have children in general, it was just a way to regulate the population.

>>81658516 (OP)
It really does make sense but some of the people that are anti-natalists are such insufferable retards that It's embarrassing to associate yourself with anti-natalism because you'll be grouped in with them.

>>81658573
Look at who rules in China
https://www.thirdway.org/memo/xis-inner-circle
Everyone in Xi's inner circle is ethnic Chinese
Li Qiang, Zhao Leji, Wang Huning, Cai Qi, Ding Xuexiang, Li Xi, Zhang Youxia, He Weidong
There are no Goldbergs Silversteins controlling the levers of power in China

>>81658628
EARLY CHINA DURING MAO, you fucking illiterate nigger.

>>81658628
Who ended the policy?

>>81658598
Benatar is South African.

>>81658635
So what it's an original sin? Because some Jews talked to Mao a billion commies are now secretly controlled by Jews, even when there are no Jews in any position of power?

>>81658547
based he did nothing wrong
>>81658545
most of them are females fighting for abortion rights and never criticize homeless mothers having 10 kids
>>81658532
>their self destructive method is worse than mine!
such in many cases
>>81658567
>it's bad because we aren't bringing lives into constant fleeting pleasures of being a cog to a machine
self fulfilling prophesy, most intelligent natalist.
>>81658577
>no argument
how convincing
>>81658580
True, it's better to bash your head against the wall hoping the outcome would be different than to not. Good belief system, we all want to be like you pal

>>81658516 (OP)
There really isn't any good pro-natalist arguments but anti-natalism is still silly, humanity will never voluntarily end itself and there's no proof that death is the end of life anyways.

>>81658667
it's not about ending life but stopping the production of it.

>>81658635
mao... got his influence from... marxism... but sure, let's go da joos route I guess.

>>81658516 (OP)
Gay and retarded. But it's good that it exists since it helps weak minded and mentally ill people weed themselves out of the gene pool, improving it. The eugenic effect can only be positive for humanity.

>>81658516 (OP)
I'm all for it personally but if someone wants to have kids, they can afford it, they're deadset on raising their kids *right*, then there is nothing wrong with that either. I don't want kids but there is nothing inherently or morally wrong with wanting to have a family. So long as you're not a deadbeat

>>81658695
Anon... Google who Karl Marx is...

>>81658705
google what the Jewish question is

>>81658677
the outcome is the same, the end of humanity

>>81658649
Has he gone to Niger? What about Pakistan, or isreal, or Mongolia?

>>81658713
How does that change anythingg?

>>81658516 (OP)
it's a gay cope for gay nerds who need to get a life. all of that goes out the window the moment they get punched in the mouth

>better to not have be- *gets punched in the mouth*
>ACK

>>81658758
How does getting punched in the mouth convince you to want kids? Makes no sense. There are plenty of people who have kids that aren't parents and don't deserve to have kids. Not everyone should have kids

>>81658743
>must evade valid points!
you sound like a redditor or are probably a female. Kek.

>>81658770
all that intellectualizing crap goes out the window the moment you nerdos get hit. the only truth in this world is tangible, physical violence

>>81658735
True, and you mentioned a hypothetical afterlife. If that exists then the byproduct of an intention is irrelevant

>>81658784
How is that a valid point? Marx was literally Jewish, why do you evade that point? And Lenin was firmly against antisemitism. And what was Mao inspired by exactly? Something called Marxism-L... Can't put my finger on it

>>81658786
by your logic, physical strength is meaningless in the 21st century, try to punch me and I'll put a bullet in your brain

>>81658740
He hasn't been to every majority White country either. Not sure what's your point.
There have been Arab antinatalists before like Al-Ma'arri.
Here's an Arab antinatlist group with 121K members: https://stepfeed.com/this-arab-social-media-campaign-wants-humans-to-go-extinct-0645

>>81658786
True, that's why we resort to monarchs and honor systems to jingle the shiny keys to make you susceptible to accepting the same diplomatic system that has been changed on the surface level to appeal to honor fags as a way to wrangle the tards by distracting them with warfare. Somehow you see... a difference because you are offered a soother to give you a place in society far away from civilized people.

>>81658786
The only truth in this world is tangible, physical violence? So, if you bust your hump to build a nice life for yourself and some thug decides that merely overpowering you is all they need to get what they want, does it make it right?
How does that convince someone to have kids?

>>81658805
because the way you type is riddled with estrogen, kind of a dissapointing. But I guess there were flamboyant members in the wenmarch. Lenin yes, Lenin not Marx, Lenin. Different ideologies and paths considering the establishment of an ideology deters away from the initial goal. its.. common sense?

>>81658852
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Voitinsky
What's the next cope going to be?

>>81658850
you are arguing against a natalist, not the brightest people.

>>81658861
Being an anti-natalist makes you a certified 200 iq big brain haver.

>>81658887
no, just aware of situations that shouldn't qualify me as high iq. it's just common sense, something that isn't common

>>81658904
Fuck, you're an anti-natalist, i'm an anti-natalist, I would suck you off so good so we can keep the anti-natalism alive, ironically. I ain't gay but anti-natalism definitely means we float above the rest of the cattle and sheep

>>81658516 (OP)
when it comes to doomer mindsets(anti-natilism, BP, traditional Buddhism, Daoism and legalism)
i understand what they are saying has high level of truth and comes from an analytical place at least more so than the toxic positivity we are all brainwashed to have.
however i am too pragmatic to completely subscribe to that way of thinking because the end result is just some form of "anti-agency" i guess you could say

>>81658577
>I want to have 5 kids!
>You're only allowed 1 kid
How is that not Anti-natalism?

>>81659028
you're still procreating, anti-natalism is against all procreation

>>81658516 (OP)
No matter how lonely or miserable my life gets I cannot help but be grateful to have been born into this world. We're basically fleshy computers built to shunt energy from one molecule to another in the most efficient way possible and yet as an accidental byproduct of that we can see, hear, taste, smell, feel, we can experience joy and excitement and feel wonder at beautiful things. I can have the shittiest day and then go to the grocery store and get a thing of strawberries and they're delicious, that's a fucking miracle to me. I think there is so much goodness to be experienced in this world and I want as many people to be born into it so they can all experience it too.
Did you know light can reflect off of air at the right angle? It's just a consequence of the math that underlies our universe. Everything is magic!

>>81658516 (OP)

Financial stability, emotional maturity, mutual consent, and thorough planning should be the bare minimum prerequisites for parenthood. A good childhood in stable environment definitely go a long way, especially in early adulthood. Though as a poor working man, my pragmatism has essentially castrated me. Idk.