state m or f
what does the other sex deal with that makes you sad?

Go to >>>/adv/ dude, this is for original content, not for recycling this shit

>>81662030 (OP)
Makes me sad when women get tricked into not getting married early and end up in their late 30s with no kids and (rightly) not desired by men for relationships.

>>81662030 (OP)
M, I think it's sad that girls get molested by people close to them.
People who are supposed to protect them, have their best interest in mind, are instead using them for their own sexual pleasure.
Grim.

>>81662030 (OP)
m
cognitive dissonance which causes them to be extremely stupid due to female worship culture
their lives are extremely too easy and they all turn into whores

>>81662030 (OP)

Since most normal guys know not to hit on women in public and most hot guys don't need to and just go online it just leaves creeps and socially awkward people so when women complain about getting hit on the subset that is hitting on them is the most uncomfortable group of people

>m or f
m
>what does the other sex deal with that makes you sad?
i don't know, all i can think about right now is the fact that my balls are LOADED with sperm, i haven't nutted in a month, can i get a fembot to help me with this issue?

>>81662030 (OP)
m
>with that makes you sad?
women having to deal with retards who think they'll get pussy if they bother them enough
at the same time, doing that probably works since women are retarded

m
they're being completely raped from all sides with all sorts of psyops
frankly they're hitting all of us but they're particularly susceptible and targeted
and it's being successful
and it's also hitting guys hard as collateral, creating kind of a vicious cycle

>>81662065
>namefag
Shut the fuck up, retard namefag

>>81662030 (OP)
F
I get genuinely sad when I read about how lonely most guys feel

>>81662206
well if you're so sad about it, WHY don't you help me drain my balls?? literally 4 weeks of nut, and i've been eating good, you could eat like shit for an entire week and my semen would supplement the nutrients you lost, just think about it plz

>>81662222
the irony, i guess this reply is the reason why

>>81662224
if you knew what i looked like then you would be all over me, hypocrite!

>>81662224
Yeah, men are shit.

think about it, a week of eating whatever you want, the most empty calories, fucking potato chips. then you just swallow my semen and you have more minerals/nutrients than the average american could dream of having in the span of a month

>>81662224
We're not all like that, most of the guys who say things like that online don't even mean it and are purposefully being vile with no intention of backing it up.
I am so tired.

>>81662222
Hahaha where did this come from lol? I think I have to decline the offer sorry

>>81662222
would you let a 300 pound femanon do that for you

>>81662275
>no intention of backing it up
do you want to fucking bet, son?? have you ever gone a whole MONTH without busting a nut?? you have no idea where i'm coming from... i am simply trying to help a needy fembot... literally offering up my seed, in order to fulfill her needs, in what way is this vile?? i call it love, the ultimate sacrifice

>>81662229
im not a gay man
>>81662234
well, men (and people in general) on 4chan are shit for the most part, yeah. the sad part is, people on here talk to those of the opposite sex, get bad experiences, and end up hating the other gender even more. it would be so nice if we helped each other

>>81662030 (OP)
Unless I actually know the woman or I'm witnessing the injustice: nothing.
I just hate them too much to be able to genuinely empathize.

>>81662279
at this point yeah, i have unlocked a new primal energy, if every incel took this path then every 300lb fembot would be happy, and our needs could be met
>>81662276
>where did this come from
i have been resisting gratification for a month, that which could be obtained from the palm of my hands, at any time, fuck, i want to bust

>>81662294
You're an embarrassment to your family.

>>81662030 (OP)
M
I feel a pang of sadness for how women are over socialized and heavily pressured to conform to behavioral and physical standards.
Being forced to fit into a box you don't really fit into isn't much fun.
I feel a pang of sadness for their inherent physical weakness.
Not being able to command power and respect is very belittling.
After I think of those things, I'm thankful I am male.
I can use my power to protect, my individuality to innovate.
I understand how women feel constantly disadvantaged.
Then I remember: I owe strangers nothing. Strangers owe me nothing.
Then I am content with simple apathy.
Life sucks. Use the hand you're dealt.

>>81662324
>you're an embarrassment to your family
do you really think something like that matters at a time like this?

>>81662030 (OP)
M
Genuine sadness knowing all intelligent women were genocided in the last 10 yrs

f
its sad to see the culture around men and how theyre treated as worthless until they prove they have some kind of value. unless men are doing something to contribute to the people around them and society in general, whether it be working a high salary job, being a family man etc.

Its also sad to see how mens problems are constantly overlooked by the majority of people, using one case of a man being trash to justify condemning the entirety of the male population (one man kills a woman, all men are dangerous), so men dont deserve love or care or support. Although ive seen this happening a lot on this forum (one girl makes millions on OF, manipulates a man, therefore all girls are manipulative chad chasing whores), i think men are more likely to suffer from actual consequences from this generalisation

>>81662411
>men are more likely to suffer from actual consequences
yeah, because our brains are designed to make us bend over backwards for females. we literally derive pleasure from serving women, it's built into our brains, and of course women aren't going to hold each other accountable because why would they? this is a researched phenomenon

M
i feel bad for women because of periods, pregnancy. i have sisters and i saw them go through those things first hand, its awful. catcalling, makeup...
at the same time, i wish women were more empathetic, too. women hate us for whatever bad men did to them, as if we were a bunch of awful human beings just because we have a penis. i crave love just the way you do

>>81662429
I think us as women need to hold each other more accountable rather than having this weird men vs women herd mentality, but i also think men need to gain some self respect and learn to recognise when theyre being manipulated

>>81662610
>men need to gain some self respect and learn to recognise when theyre being manipulated
true, but rare, most men will take the first woman who smiles at him, even if she is a complete abuser, i guess it's just how we were made to be, we are really desperate creatures. i always question how men are comfortable walking around with half naked women who they call their "girlfriends", as they are sending mating signals to literally every other person on the street, it's fucked up and part of me feels bad for them

>>81662030 (OP)
M
I am sad when I remember some femanons have to live with small boobs
Must be hell..

>>81662353
wat, did i miss a genocide?

>>81662721
i wish i could have a genuine relationship with a smart woman, without thinking about raping her at least once during each interaction. i could use some advice if you're willing, i genuinely value the female psyche and what you guys have to bring to the table, i want to learn from everyone

m
no good rolemodels

>>81662036
>>>/adv/33275641
what if the original content is the replies we met along the way

>>81662030 (OP)
M
Lack of chads. Most women will never find an adequate partner

F
>what does the other sex deal with that makes you sad?
ig having a small dick

>>81663290
hi
i'm very horny
feel my energy
through the computer
screen
go go

>>81662741
im a female physicist constantly surrounded by some of the smartest women and so im a bit bias. The women I work alongside are equal to the men I work with, both in emotional and academic intelligence. I think the reason youre struggling to find intelligent women is that you come into every interaction with the weird rape fantasies that you mentioned, and we can tell when someone is being weird and we avoid that. If you want advice, stop going into every conversation with smart women with the focus on sex, were not dumb and just as you can sense when a woman is trying to use you for something, we can sense it too.

>>81663483
that's the problem, i don't want to focus on sex, i don't want to have sex with any woman really, it's like a trick in my brain. i don't want to use women, i want to learn from them because i know some of them have knowledge to offer me, i really appreciate women for more than their outer beauty so long as they have learned to express things well

>>81662147
If it didn't work they wouldn't keep on doing it.

>>81662206
I assure you it's worse than you would ever read about. I haven't had a human touch in literal years, intimacy much longer. The last time I even had a thought of intimacy was in a dream the other night, and that was woken up by a dog barking...

>>81662331
Many men are not physically strong / can not command respect due to their visibly obvious lack of strength. Think soibois.

>>81662411
It is my belief that while the majority of men are not violent / dangerous, the majority of women are in fact promiscuous and etc. It gets amplified on here though, sure.

>>81662610
>but i also think men need to gain some self respect and learn to recognise when theyre being manipulated
The problem with this is that "gaining respect" and "recognize when they're being manipulated" are entirely different things. You can have the one without the other. The simple fact is that men receive so little positive attention / recognition / whatever else, by and large, that when someone finally offers it to them, they WANT to believe it's genuine. Because the only other alternative is a hard veer into "no one will ever love me, want me, respect me, etc." Once this takes root, you will brush off any and all positive affection as being fake. Ask me how I know.
I have a 60+ year old guy marrying into the family (age appropriate woman for what its worth) who seems to really like me. I'm relatively certain it's genuine, but internally I can't brush it off as anything more than "well, of course he's trying to stay on my good side, if something tanks it will put the marriage at risk". Rinse and repeat for literally every single relationship possible.

M
Women are influenced more by their cultural environment then men are, and we have perhaps one of the worst cultures in human history right now. It's fucking up men as well, but women are still being hit harder.
What I mean, is that women see other women be whores or whatever and choose to do it too. I have no possible way to fathom why their minds work like that, so I can't give any actionable advice besides "find a good group of friends who aren't useless whores, a single one in the group will poison the rest".

>>81662741
Exposure effect as a treatment for OCD thoughts. The more you interact the more they will fade away.

>>81663483
As long as you recognize your selection bias and know that the majority of women are not actually like that, then sure.

>>81663513
i think if youre genuinely wanting to meet a woman who you share a mutual respect/liking with, thats the best first step you can get. so many of the 'incels' on here actively hate women, petition for our eradication, and then are shocked when we dont want to be with someone who despises us for something we couldnt even choose. Seeing women as actual people will make it 10x easier to actually get along with us, so congrats and wishing you the best of luck!!

>>81663513
It's just intrusive thoughts. You can get rid of it the same way you do other intrusive thoughts, git gud at psych research.
Accept the thought, then move on from it when it happens.

>>81663610
i don't hate women, i'm just not interested in most of them, and i'm not serious about the rape stuff either, i'm just posting really depraved shit online because i've been abstaining from sexual activity for a month and my body is screaming at me to have sex, i guess i need to release in some way
>>81663602
i'm not serious i don't actually think about raping every woman i see but i do honestly wish they didn't dress like prostitutes outside

f
feeling like they have to be something other than themselves to find love. i love you as you are, anon

>>81663653
thanks, i appreciate that, maybe i should stop posting about rape and sex but that's all this website is so maybe i just need to find a new website

>>81663653
Who could love an incel?

>>81663659
i main lainchan because its a lot more peaceful than here :)
>>81663667
me!

>>81663659
not nona but this place is an echochamber and eventually the rantings of disillusioned people will become ingrained in your mind. this website just circlejerks the same opinions around to the point where they believe they are absolute fact, and use random case studies to justify their generalisations. if youre serious about getting better, get out of here :)

>>81663653
Unless you are the type of human saint who loves all mankind i.e. agape, I doubt it. No offense to you but I just genuinely don't believe anyone could love me.

>>81663680
why do you think no one could love you?

>>81663676
>lainchan
idk, i barely get replies here, maybe because the nature of this site in particular favors posts/posters who talk about rape/sex/violence/divisive things, i am worried that if i went to an altchan that it would be dead or i wouldn't be able to relate with the conversation

>>81663676
>me!
Why? Not everyone can be lovable. Otherwise love would lose its meaning.

>>81663667
i have loved my fair share of incels, which is why i keep coming back here even though im busy with my career; its a strangely comforting throwback to my weird femcel years. theres people out there that just want to find someone similar to them, and incels were the people i shared interests and lifestyles with, so i gravitated towards them

>>81663679
in that case, i want to know why you still visit this website if you are conscious of the harms it could have on your mind, i'm sure it is not good for me as someone who is really trying hard to abstain from sex, because there is porn and lewdness literally everywhere

>>81663692
everyone is lovable by someone!! i think that we can all find someone if we put ourselves out there ^_^ im still waiting, but im hopeful

>>81663702
>everyone is lovable by someone
But we all want to be special. It's hard to feel loved, if everyone is as worthy as you are.

>>81663692
>Not everyone is lovable.
your brain will play that trick on you
but some people say
you have to love yourself before you can love others
it's actually true, just think about it
forgive yourself for your mistakes

>>81663714
just because we are all lovable, doesnt mean we arent special :(( if everyone was lovable by everyone then no one would be special, but i believe that there are is a perfect person for everyone!

>>81663697
its just a bad habit ive had for a little while, i agree with some of the beliefs here and i try not to ingrain any of the more extreme opinions, but i like talking to my fellow femcels and people with similar past experiences to me, while giving my worthless opinion out from time to time

>>81663720
ok, thanks for your insight physicist anon
glad to know there are people who have made it out of this website and survived
sad to know that you are still searching for love
but it sounds like it has not caused internal hatred
which is good
i was starting to really hate women for a while, i think as a result of the brainwashing i received here, and my own experiences with women being shit
really my own habits led me to those beliefs, but the world is filled with different people
this website is one of those wastes of time that i need to really ween off away from
i'm still young i think, only 21 years old and i am gonna be out of school in a year, no idea what i will do then
but i may as well use this as a grace period of sorts
to get the fuck away from this poison
life is just maddening all the time

M

women are endlessly degraded and objectified.

not in the kinky way, either.


I've had a few ltr with very above average girls looks wise, I saw it all the time.

its not just the sexual harassment


it was bleak to see the amount of code switching most men would do, as if they needed to change their swag to minimize losing access to her perceived status

even if its just guys being nervous or standoffish or nice guys


robots wouldnt believe how many cute girls would cling to you for life if you just didnt act like you had something to prove.

It would be aggravating to deal with the average guy trying to fuck me. what a load man, you think the attention is good, but you dont want it, believe me.


also, people really do not listen to women. you can see it everywhere.
It would be aggravating to deal with the average guy trying to fuck me.

>>81663755
furthermore, i will admit that i have an innate craving for attention
very feminine trait to have
that's part of the reason why i come here and post stupid shit all the time
waste of time

>>81663771
i cant blame you, if youre attention starved then its only natural to want an outlet to feel heard, even if its by 4channers. life can feel pretty worthless at times, and if youre alone constantly, coming here can unfortunately be a good coping mechanism. im still quite isolated, so im guilty of coming here to fill my social quota for the day

> only 21 years old
im young too, almost 20, but ive still managed to make my way through my physics career while also working on myself. youve got plenty of time, we are barely at the start of our lives and its only natural that we're going to have a few hiccups, whether it be getting brainwashed on a cancerous website or messing up a job interview. we'll get through this anon, i hope it brings you comfort that a stranger on the internet is vouching for your success

>>81663817
damn, you're only 19 and already have a career...
kek
i still don't know what i want to do with my life
a career sounds pointless and boring
although it would be nice to have that security
i'm just going through university in what feels like a mindless state
i do socialize with people, women and men
but i don't know if i really connect with anyone at all
>i hope it brings you comfort that a stranger on the internet is vouching for your success
sounds sad when you put it like that but yeah it does

>>81663689
Without going into detail, as I wrote this post 2-3 times now, it's likely a trauma induced coping mechanism. I've posted a bit on it before and told myself to stop doing that. tl:dr; relationships that ended badly, including abortion so I also now consider myself a murderer.
The mind took such negative experiences and overlaid them onto the earlier "positive experiences" such that I literally can not remember 99% of them. As the risk of repeating the word literally, because these are not euphemisms or figure of speeches, I literally can't remember any of the otherwise "positive" aspects of relationships, nor can I even imagine such things removed of the context of the past. E.g. I actually can not envision in my head the physical act of being hugged, even though I was hugged once in a non romantic context by distant family as I was leaving. You would think I should be able to simply remember the subjective viewpoint of that, but no.

>but you had relationships in the past!
A) again, can't remember any of it except the ending, large swaths of time blocked out, years I can't recall as if I was blackout drunk if i need to give an example. But also B) an acknowledged incorrect thought of "if they loved me, then [unspecified] wouldn't have happened".
I refuse to believe someone who loves you would do those (unspecified) things.

But, ignoring all the above, I refuse to believe someone could love me because I'm no longer able to give them a chance to, like a muscle spasm that seizes up against your control.

>>81663715
I think there's validity in this, but it applies the other way as well. If you can't love yourself, why would you seek to burden others with yourself? Why make others suffer you?
The kindest thing you can do is save them the problem of you.

>>81663762
>even if its just guys being nervous or standoffish or nice guys
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
Is it part of the above sentence of yours?
Or are you trying to say that guys being nervous around women because they're women is part of that big bad?

Men treat men and women different, but then so do women, so I'm not sure I understand your point.

>>81663841
>the kindest thing you can do is save them the problem of you
there are people in the world who do care though
some people want to see the best out of others
anytime you hang out with a friend
you are doing them a service
and people want to give that to you
even if you think you are unworthy

>>81663817
>im still quite isolated, so im guilty of coming here to fill my social quota for the day
NTA, but I just prefer my interactions with people to have as few dimensions as possible, hence textual.
For example twitter has not only profiles, but also the knowledge of past posts being viewable. In this moment, you only know me as this present me replying to you. Not a shitpost I made 3 years ago, not a political commentary I made the other night, etc.
I recognize I have some tells that give me away via typing style, but besides that this is as "pure" an interaction as two people are capable of having in my opinion.

>>81663689
I forgot to say this in my reply, but thank you for asking.

>>81663873
>anytime you hang out with a friend
That's easy to take care of. Just don't have friends.
>and people want to give that to you
By removing myself as an option, they will seek to offer that service to someone else whom it is better utilized on.

>>81663896
you are worthy of my time
and i would be willing to give it to you
sadly we are interacting through the internet
but i think you will have opportunities with these kinds of people in the future
you just have to take them
everyone feels like an annoying retard fuck deep down
the art of suppressing those feelings is akin to training your bicep muscles

>>81663653

as a guy (and Im sure men reading this will understand)

we dont really need love from women, we need respect.

unfortunately, generations of compounding social constructs puts a pressure on men to perform.


>>81663855

guys who idealize women, usually.

guys who are afraid to upset women

generally, handling women with special gloves, just because the see a hot woman as some thing with parameters

>>81663839
i funneled all my depression and isolation into working and studying, so dont feel discouraged by that since it completely fucked my brain and social skills.

basically everyone i know feels the same, uni feels like a period of time where youre just waiting for something greater to happen; wait 3 years, get a degree and then you can make money.

> i don't know if i really connect with anyone at all
this is the most relatable thing ive heard someone who actually talks to people say on here. every person i talk to feels so surface level, like theres nothing of depth available for me to access, its all behind a paywall. i see those same people getting along great with others, but it just feels like a personal problem. ive met a few people that i genuinely connect with, ie my best friend, but its so rare that it feels like theres only a few conscious people on earth and everyone else is here just to small talk about the weather. i guess it just takes people like us a lot of meeting people to find someone we actually mesh with, since we see the world quite differently

>>81663762
>robots wouldnt believe how many cute girls would cling to you for life if you just didnt act like you had something to prove.
Girls cling to attractive guys, not to those with confidence but without the looks and height.

>>81663942
>i see those same people getting along great with others
feels bad doesn't it
i feel like they are genuinely trying with me sometimes too, but it just doesn't work
sometimes i feel like i know what makes someone laugh but i can't really produce the effect properly
people really like to laugh, so not being able to make people laugh seems like a big problem
>feels like theres only a few conscious people
i know the feeling you are describing
i have tried to convince myself that they are simply holding themselves back for whatever reason
maybe they don't even know the reason themselves
i like to think everyone is capable of reaching a higher version of themselves
but we all have the will to decide at the end of the day, only you know where your heart really is
>it takes people like us a lot of meeting people
yeah, it takes a lot of time, but i guess it makes those relationships even more special when you do find them
nothing really lasts forever either and people are all over the place, life is just hard but i don't think it was ever easy for anyone ever

>>81663676
>me!
i have two questions for you, why do you think you could love an incel? and is lainchan nice? i think i would love to visit a board that wasn't as hateful as this one

>>81663942
>i guess it just takes people like us a lot of meeting people to find someone we actually mesh with, since we see the world quite differently
It's funny, because I have talked to a bunch of people that say the same exact thing, and the problem is they usually don't even take the time to learn about the person they're talking to. They are too used to just ghost people at the slightest discomfort. At this point, I'd rather take a plain, boring, but nice person, instead of a person that calls themselves "deep" just because they despise small talk.

>>81663927
Ah, I see.
>tfw becoming broken and no longer giving a fuck is what will, by one anon's testimony, make me attractive to women
lol

>>81664011
> and is lainchan nice? i think i would love to visit a board that wasn't as hateful as this one
Why would you not simply go there and see for yourself?

>>81664123
>Why would you not simply go there and see for yourself?
why cant i just ask a nice person about their opinion?

>>81664068
yeah sorry i didnt mean for my message to come off as deep and high and mighty. small talk definitely has its merits, but i just find it exceedingly difficult to feel normal and connect with people no matter how much effort i put in, whether it be my autism and unconventional interests or just my lack of social skills, its difficult for a lot of people to actually find their crowd especially if we're seen as inherently different

>>81663961
more for me, then.

I am tall and handsome, this gets me attention, dont underestimate attitude.

I am a massively aspergers unemployed neet with no education, this means all relationships have fallen apart.

I have been browsing r9k for a decade

many robots say things that im telling you are out of touch with how low the bar actually is for women, attitude is extremely important for women, idk why.

if you are 5'2. yeah, youre dating pool is tiny, its not so black and white.

there are plenty of loser girls out there waiting for a guy to talk to them.

sick of hearing the cope still after years, such bullshit.


>>81663942

if you are in physics, you are probably gifted/smart.

>everyone else is here just to small talk about the weather.

I would reconsider your valuation of small talk.

my best friend is a guy from HS I met through advanced programs, he is very social and extroverted, unlike me.

I can socialize, but it is all very mechanical feeling.

its easy to talk about the weather.

still, I feel like an alien in my closest bonds.

>>81664123

yes, if you are brave enough to ask a girl for what you want. You are beating most men on earth.

life is unfair, I get it. grow up.

>>81662030 (OP)
Periods and being hormonal seems like a bitch to deal with desu. Biologically women really got the short end of the stick and they have my sympathies.

Other then that they are evil and deserve to be raped

>>81664288
>yeah sorry i didnt mean for my message to come off as deep and high and mighty
I know, it's just that people expect to hit it off immediately after meeting. What are your interests like?

>>81664288

idk about you, my autism makes it difficult to maintain connections I do make.

its not so much finding people who get me that is difficult.

its that people connect and have intimacy through feelings and emotions, proximity, etc...

wherever I go, my body language, affect etc.. doesnt tend to match how I feel inside, I will always struggle to express my feelings even when I want to badly.


the cost of sensory issue I find is understated, now that autism is hip kindof.

how am I supposed to regularly go somewhere to see people if getting dressed is a load on my nervous system


its weird. it feels good to laugh and be social with people, but never feels like Im fully at ease ever.

I can be around someone for 10 years and still feel like im doing micro surgery

>>81664415
My interests mainly revolve around maths and physics, which is what i devote most of my life to. I like literature too, i read the classics a lot. Also really into crochet and knitting. At the ripe age of 19, i have a bedtime of 10pm and the interests of someones grandmother, so i dont exactly attract people since all the girls i try to befriend are more into partying or clubbing which i personally am not into. Especially being at college, its hard to find people who arent the partying and going out type, so I guess my main problem is just the environment that im in doesnt really attract similar people

>>81664450
Oh, I talked to you some days ago. I see.

>>81664459
topkek
don't be so suspenseful anon
what do you see...

>>81664473
i too am afraid, what do you see besides me geeking it on r9k

>>81664473
didn't you have a math exam this week? how did it go, anyway? I hope it went well.

>>81664486
what are you afraid of i want to know

>>81664500
i mean in general actually
i misread your message
but still i want to know

>>81664497
omg yes i did!! i havent been on discord or email lately, had to make an emergency trip to my hometown for a funeral kek so apologies for a lack of response

it's at least 10pm everywhere in the continental usa
bye physicist anon

>>81664514
It's okay. I doubt we'll talk again, but I'm glad you did nicely. Have a good night.

>>81662030 (OP)
>what does the other sex deal with that makes you sad?
A lot of things I talk to many of girls actually and they deal with a lot the biggest would probably be female socialization which can be pretty messed up many girls are basically forced to relinquish their identity and basically become a slave if they come from an abusive upbringing ESPECIALLY if they have younger siblings probably that and the fact the they get objectified like I understand many guys don't get that much attention at all but imagine people see you as a human fleshlight and that's like your entire fucking life XD also alot of girls I talked to got SAed my "male socialization" wasn't pretty either I got beaten and abused but thankfully I never got SAed if that happened to me I probably would have killed myself.

Girls really do deal with alot. Honestly more than guys...in my humble opinion. Though we have problems too, different problems. Maybe not comparable.

>>81664549
wrong pic lole though that one isn't too bad

M
Nausea. Pain's one thing. Tough it out. But the fact that you guys get sick with nausea automatically monthly just sucks. Like actually, I'll admit, that absolutely fucking blows and I dunno if I'd be able to deal with it.

>>81662054
f, i think reading this healed something within Me as a CSA victim, lawl. Nobody ever believed me when i tried 2 speak out about it. made me feel subhuman as shit & now i live as a hermit.

>>81664549
Im a woman and have been both assaulted and SAed, and id rather get my ass beat every time. SA is incomprehensibly evil for the victim, and i cant explain it in words other than you feel like a chunk of meat, your humanity is stripped from you. I think men obviously have their own respective problems, but im sick of the objectification, being seen as a sex object and then criticised for being seen as a sex object. we just cant win

>>81662673
no, its actually the best, your back hurts less
and you get less stares
whether the latter is bad or good i shall leave up to you; sometimes attention is what someone truly craves.

>>81664596
>Im a woman and have been both assaulted and SAed, and id rather get my ass beat every time. SA is incomprehensibly evil for the victim, and i cant explain it in words other than you feel like a chunk of meat, your humanity is stripped from you. I think men obviously have their own respective problems, but im sick of the objectification, being seen as a sex object and then criticised for being seen as a sex object. we just cant win

Yeah. It's really messed up...my childhood friend is FtM now I actually rejected her because she wanted to get into a homosexual relationship with me XDDD still a virgin at 21 though but yeah I found out recently (not confirmed, she didn't say it but highly implied it) that she got SAed by her father in law and I feel awful for rejecting her I hit her/him really hard at a time when she needed me. And I found it strange she wanted to be a guy when she's obviously still attracted to guys but knowing that it all makes sense.

Again I've been beaten by my dad endlessly male socialization can be terrible too...but I know in my bones it would be 10x worse if I got SAed. I'm not a psychology though I have a strong interest in academic psychology/psychopathology (physicist) and the best way I can describe how harmful it is comes from the fact that it makes you hate your own existence and flesh as a female basically all females are objectified a little bit that's just how society is its fucked up but most women can learn to not care or even come to enjoy it...but if you're a female and got SAed then it basically amplifies the discomfort from such interactions by a factor of 1000x and you get constantly re-traumatized non stop because...yeah. I met girls who used to wash themselves in the shower 5 times a day to make the disgust and shame go away but no matter how much they scrubbed it would never, ever go away. It's not really a surprise that in the year 2000+25 most of them end up become FtM or "lesbian".

>>81664591
are you doing better nowadays?
>>81664596
the problem is that you see women complaining about being treated as sex objects, but at the same time people see women starting onlyfans and stuff like that. the thing is we just shouldn't generalize, there are women who don't mind selling their privacy for money, but it's just a minority. in the end, there are men and women who like doing awful things, but it seems like we blame the whole gender just because bad people exist

>>81663635
move to a conservative country, ez
or never go out, find a cute hermitgirl & spend the rest of your life with her
i promise we're kind.

>>81663659
i believe in you buddy, take care of yourself
you are loved

>>81664640
I'm so sorry.

My only consolation to you is that most guys really aren't that bad...there really are good men in this world believe it and you can learn to trust. But the trauma doesn't go away easily...as my psychologist always said the 'the mind can forget, but the body...not so easily' if you know what I mean.

But seriously, these issues CAN and DO get better if you invest in yourself with mental health. But these wounds don't heal easily its not something you can fix on your own you need a trained mental health professional probably a licensed psychotherapist with a specialty in the matter. I hope you have or are receiving help for it...I believe in you. You deserve better. You deserve to blossom, thrive and reach your full potential.

>>81664654
>find a cute hermitgirl
maybe yeah
but the problem is actually finding them
online relationships always end with someone getting hurt
it just never works out
ever
and at the same time, part of me feels like i need a girl that is not similar to me
as someone who honestly prefers being alone
idk
maybe i'm wrong about this

>>81664659
thanks
you sound like the anon from the late night thread

>>81663653
i want to believe this is true, but i don't think a girl would love me the way i am. i hate myself so much

>>81664684
your mind is your biggest traitor, and especially when youre in a bad mental health space, everything you think can feel like fact even when its the furthest thing from it. I can assure you, as a woman, that there will be someone out there for you. We have just as broad interests as any man, there are women who like hermits or outgoing guys, socially awkward or charismatic. You just need to work on yourself, learn to recognise how your mind betrays you, and gain self confidence (which is easier said than done)

>>81664694
thank you, i appreciate your words. i met a person i loved very much, i tried changing myself for her, and in the end she just didn't want me. i believed love was enough, i believed that if two people loved each other then barriers wouldn't stop them. i didn't want to open myself up to anyone because i feared being hurt, and it happened. i don't know how to trust again. working on myself sounds like a chore and i want to sleep all day

>>81662030 (OP)
I'm surprised no foid talked about male socialization and the fact that we're basically brainwashed to be violent. My dad beat me and so did his father before him and so on. My dad taught me how to shoot a gun and gave me toys which were basically weapons all my guys friends played violent video games my dad never gave a fuck about that thought he would beat me if I cried for being a little faggot. I would rather have been given dolls than guns and basically glorified practice weapons I don't want to hurt or kill anyone. Eventually during one of my fights with my dad much later in my teens I lost control and slapped my mom I don't know what came over me and she threw a plate at me and cried like she was about to die (keep in mind she is bipolar and was depressed and wasn't really the most well at the time, she probably regretted this) she was so deathly afraid of me and crying and what she said after will haunt me forever she said I was just like my dad and that I was gonna kill my wife one day (she was rly into true crime lol). Hahahahahaa. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAA. Its funny that I used to get slapped and kicked daily my dad broke my ribcage when I was 7 in a fit of anger but her words are still what haunt me the most. I guess words do cut deeper than even stick and stones.

I don't want to hurt anyone. I never asked for this. I never wanted this. I would rather hurt myself than hurt anyone else. I'd rather kill myself before I kill or hurt anyone else. I hate this. I want to die.

>>81663653
If I'm being totally honest with you, this post makes my skin crawl. If we were in a relationship I'd be more offended that you felt you had accurately sized me up and tried to keep me in my place than I would be happy that you said you loved me. I'd be sour that you had characterized my own striving-towards something better as something somehow alien to myself, and I feel like the true appreciation of a person that is meant by "I love you" consists partially in recognition of the things they care about or want. I would feel disrespected, and I would feel as though you thought you were speaking to me as one greater than me, and therefore able to define what my limits are as a person, rather than as a fellow in cooperation with myself.
I feel like a a lot of men would feel similarly disrespected by such a comment, and I don't think most of them would spell it out like this past "I feel disrespected." Even packaged with "I love you," no man likes being told that the thing he wants to be or tries to be isn't part of how you see him. That's like, "Oh honey, stop trying to be cool, we all know you're not cool, but that's okay because you're my Cookie Monster Snuggleb-" Man, fuck off.
Doesn't help that this is the kind of dumbass comment that makes dudes second-guess every little thing they try to do. Fuck, can I sign up to go back to the gym? Is that "me" enough or is that trying to be something I'm not? Can I wear this hat, or does that not fall into whatever definition you consider to be authentically me? Can I pick up a new hobby? Or would you basically call me a poser for trying, in some infuriatingly sweet way?
Nah, fuck that. Be aware: We hate this.

>>81664719
sometimes life is just unfair. there isnt any reason behind it, just because it didnt work out with her doesnt mean youre unloveable, it just means you were unlucky. take your time to process it however you need, but the most important thing is using it as a learning opportunity rather than an indicator that youre a failure, picking yourself up and giving love another shot. its not a one time thing, youve got as many chances at it as youre willing to give yourself :)

>>81664744
>sometimes life is just unfair.
i... don't know. this is one of the reasons why i hate myself, i am too sensitive and i let this person use me and destroy me afterwards. it took me many, many years to find a person to love me, and i have to be honest, i'm not extroverted enough to talk to girls. i don't know how to give this whole thing another shot. i'm scared. have you had people do something like this to you, anon?

>>81664726
im disappointed circumcision hasn't come up yet

>>81664804
Ive had a couple boyfriends a few years ago, they both ended in being cheated on, and most recently the only guy ive genuinely connected with got a girlfriend and ghosted me, so it hasnt been easy. I try not to take it too personally, although its obviously quite hurtful at times. I wish i knew the answer to our problem but i havent figured it out either. in a lack of better words, i think we just need to thug it out and hope for the best but prepare for the worst

>>81662030 (OP)
Nothing a foid deals with makes me feel sad for them.
They've gotten everything they want and they are STILL miserable (and nuts).

>>81664865
oh, you have had it way worse than me.... i am really sorry i have been complaining about the one time i failed while you are enduring all of this, i am awful
do you want to talk about it? it doesnt matter if we know the answer to our problems, but i suppose we have to try our best

>>81664961
theres no having it worse or anything, our situations are both basically the same where weve been done dirty by someone and now we have to deal with the impacts that it left on us. kind of sucks but it is what it is. have you found anything that helps you get over it (if you havent already??) i need some recommendations lul

>>81665080
>have you found anything that helps you get over it
well, the only thing that has helped me get over it a little bit has been the support of my friends. my friends are great people, if it werent for them id probably be stuck in the same spot. hanging out with them, playing games... do you have friends? if you dont have friends then ill be one for you

>>81665113
i have 1 friend, but shes completely opposite to me, extremely popular and charismatic, so she isnt much help since she constantly compares our lives and how i prioritise career while she has fun. anyways, its not a great friendship but it does the job. id be down to chat some more though! do you have discord or email??

>>81665203
oh, i see. i hope your career is going well
ill post an email soon, i dont want to post my tag here :p

>>81665203
sleepy_little_slug
it was easier to create a discord account

>>81665273
are you physicist anon?

>>81665304
nope i dont know who is that

>>81665320
never mind
have a good night
love ya

>>81665304
not the person you replied to but the person before that, but yes im a physicist lul

what a mess, but nevermind ill delete the discord account. thank you for the talk

>>81665326
well you seem like an interesting person
i want to know stuff about you
sadly i don't really give out my email or discord here
or anywhere except to people i meet in real life
but i'm going to call you physicist anon

>>81665326
I'm also a physicist lol only recently posting with a trip though so many physicists on this site lol

>>81665367
being a physicist and being socially inept go hand in hand lol. i reckon at least 30% of the employed people here are in some kind of maths/physics related field, its easy to be socially challenged when we spend hours a day staring at some redundantly niche equation without talking to a single person

>>81664565
Very true. But it's not necessarily nausea, some have just cramps or pain, some have nothing at all.

>>81664591
It's an invisible affliction many times, much like migraines. Difficult to talk about too because it's basically "well, sucks, that that happened... Now what?"
Hope you move past it.

>>81664596
Desert vs. lost at sea. One of the reasons guys send dick pics is because even disgust is recognizing that they are also sexual beings.
Too little and too much both bad.

>>81664666
>. You deserve better. You deserve to blossom, thrive and reach your full potential.
Lol. No. They don't deserve better.
But you know what? They don't deserve the bad things that happened either. No one deserves the good or the bad. It's just what happened.
To the people here who have had bad things happen: you didn't deserve it.
To those who still yearn for something good, start walking towards it. It won't fall into your lap.
Good luck anons.

>>81665409
>when we spend hours a day staring at some redundantly niche equation without talking to a single person
Lol true its hard not to be chronically online when you study shit like knot theory or protein folding XD

>>81664728
I agree with your sentiment, but I don't think she meant that.
I think she meant "if you want to go to the gym to get stronger, or better yourself in X way, I'll support you because I love you; and even if you don't I'll still love you, you don't need to earn it"
But yes i know some people do exactly what you thought and hate that as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pua7zIATpAA&list=LL&index=5&t=895s

>>81665080
I've read a few novels that helped me quite a bit.
Kidnapped Dragons
SSS class suicide hunter
Not that anon, but sometimes authors have a way of putting the human experience to words, y'know?

m
sad weirdos hit on them
t. weirdo that doesn't hit on them (anymore, after that one time i was feeling optimistic but acted so retarded it's a cringe memory now and forevermore)

they are different? they definitely are. all my interactions with them are pretty similar to guys, but...different. and i cant figure out those rules. they have a different rule playset and if your wrong the penalty is heinous, but theres no fucking rule book or anything? you just gotta fuckin wing it and hope your not wrong? fuck that. id just rather hang around guys. even those assholes are a bunch of dicks, atleast in my own room, behind my own locked door, i can just...switch to a different tab if you fuckers get too real for me.

>>81662030 (OP)
M.
Women have to deal with weak men.

>>81662030 (OP)
M
I feel like getting menstrual cramps and having to go through pregnacy is pretty hardcore.

>>81662030 (OP)
M. Seeing how women will sabotage each other constantly so they can feel better about themselves, and its in all aspects of life. They will deliberately give out life ruining advice to friends with zero remorse just to knock them down a rung on their social ladder.

>>81666174
down with the online 'sisterhood' and its weird infantalizing-hystericalizing loop

>>81664628
from what I know women live off of attention
maybe you're an exception but it doesn't change the rule

>>81662036
i'd say the thread turned out good, wouldn't you?

>>81666920
thread was good while it lasted, nice chat with everyone lul

>>81666920
seeing reasonable takes happening through out this thread reminds me that there are "normal" people outside of /pol/

it was a good thread