These guys I know at work are war/history autists and I assumed some of you guys here are the same so I thought I'd ask you about what goes on in your head.
They have seemingly encyclopedic knowledge on random battles and events and I just don't get the appeal. I'm a /g/tard so I can't really judge but I don't really understand what they get out of conversations that go like
>x lost because of y
>no x lost because of z
Also where do you get all of this knowledge from? Do you just watch a shitton of youtube videos? And is there a "point" to this knowledge, like you believe you can predict future events with it? Or is it just for fun?
Don't get me wrong they seem like nice guys and I have nothing against it I'm just curious

>>81664413 (OP)
Yes, autists can predict the future. The prophets of the old testament were autistic.

>>81664413 (OP)
>Also where do you get all of this knowledge from? Do you just watch a shitton of youtube videos?
Yeah pretty much I'm a war/contemporary history autist mostly WW2 mostly just reading wikipedia articles which leads to another which leads to another which leads to another which leads to another same with youtube I also read quite a few books on it when I'm bored and study it in depth when something grabs my interest. The modern world really is a paradise for an intellectually hungry autodidact like me...a never-ending all-you-can eat buffet of endless knowledge...perfect for an intellectually starving mind like me. Delicious. I want more. Also believe it or not I learned a shit ton just from shitposting on 4chan mostly /pol/ and /his/ and /lit/ if you are intellectually hungry and expose yourself then you will passively gain a lot of knowledge...though for me it really happened very naturally without effort so idk maybe I'm special.

>And is there a "point" to this knowledge, like you believe you can predict future events with it? Or is it just for fun?
Mostly for fun I mean it wasn't even intentionally...but the future is built upon the past anon. Patterns repeat. History repeats. Again and again and again and again. Without getting too philosophical I will say yes for example I was able to predict the prevalence of FPV drones in Ukraine and am able to somewhat accurately predict what might happen in the next 50 years like for example Taiwan is probably fucked but anyways idk I'm not a prophet the future can be unpredictable but yeah it is useful...the present and future is built upon the past, and precognition is the most useful of all human skills.

>Don't get me wrong they seem like nice guys and I have nothing against it I'm just curious
Thanks lol though from my experience wehraboos or war obsessed guys can be kinda fucked up like if you meet one IRL and they have a collection of knives or own guns STAT THE FUCK AWAY speaking from experience lole

>>81664428
>The prophets of the old testament were autistic.
They were very obviously schizophrenic actually, you guys really like stealing schizo glory I swear you autism supremacists are fucking insufferable lol

Autism is not a thing.

It's mostly just for fun and because they are repressed warmongers. The knowledge is used to recreate fictional wars and battles with high fidelity. In g/tard terms is like learning the inner mechanics of headphones you can't afford to buy, something like that

>>81664456
>Also believe it or not I learned a shit ton just from shitposting on 4chan
Oh yea I definitely get this but with /g/ back when I was a baby freetard
>but the future is built upon the past anon. Patterns repeat. History repeats. Again and again and again and again.
Makes sense its just for me it'd be hard to feel secure in my knowledge if that makes sense. Like a battle is so complex and full of millions of interactions and often far in the past so you're only getting a few perspectives on it if any at all. Saying this as someone that's read very little on it of course.
Your predictions are pretty cool too im kinda curious how you got to that conclusion with the drones.
>Thanks lol though from my experience wehraboos or war obsessed guys can be kinda fucked up like if you meet one IRL and they have a collection of knives or own guns STAT THE FUCK AWAY speaking from experience lole
good to know i guess but the guys at my work are pretty cool I just don't talk to them about war because ik ill look like a retard kek

>>81664496
>The knowledge is used to recreate fictional wars and battles with high fidelity.
You mean those warsim games right? So the end goal is to make realistic video games?

>>81664413 (OP)
>Also where do you get all of this knowledge from?
read old historical books and the stories are so crazy that its alway memorable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnjczITUnXE

>>81664639
Seems comfy. I think I'd be into rome and maybe the spanish empire if I were into history. Or meiji restoration japan because im a weeb

>>81664413 (OP)
Most of the ones who watch endless infotainment on youtube would be unable to pass a college level history class on their subject of interest. More often than not, usually this "history" is just a thin cover for edgelord politics, which has reduced the field into little more than a "weasel word" to normies for justifying neo-nazism or whatever other BILLIONS MUST DIE chudjak.png meme idology they're onto now. I actually have a minor in the subject I got before 2016 and saw these types flunk out all the fucking time.

>>81664456
WWII is the most bland and overdone topic to be in to as an autistic. Come the fuck on

>>81664704
It's become a loser stereotype too. Pic related.
There's now several generations of high school graduating classes whose first encounter to the historical field is one of these spergs that everyone was afraid would become a press release before graduation.
And don't think you can rules lawyer your way out by picking another era/niche. They know that maneuver too because it was actually done:
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/when-neo-nazis-lay-claim-your-field
https://psmag.com/education/nazis-love-taylor-swift-and-also-the-crusades
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-357-little-rock-nine-historians-vs-neo-nazis-tabatha-southey-fired-robots-yuval-harari-and-more-1.4309188/medieval-history-scholars-are-suddenly-on-the-front-lines-in-the-fight-against-white-supremacists-1.4309219
https://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2019/winter/featured-stories/alt-right.html

>>81664704
>WWII is the most bland and overdone topic to be in to as an autistic. Come the fuck on
How is WW2 boring or bland it was literally the greatest drama in all of human history and basically the foundation for everything right now and the current state of affairs. I am not literally autistic and I don't study things because I wanna be cool according to some retarded standard or look smart I study it simply because it interests me and there is all that is to it. I do know a lot other history and general history though especially the history of my home countries and world contemporary history basically last 200 years but yeah dunno.

I agree wehraboos can be annoying like I mean makes sense alot of the are nazis since that was ww2 lol and I admit I didn't have a minor antisemetic phase but I was literally 12 years old /pol/ fucked my brain up and it was mostly ironic even then and I got over it in like a year and never affected my social interactions (I'm not even fully white lul not that it matters). But yeah I will never not be interested in history sorry not sorry.

>>81664413 (OP)
to use /g/ terms consider an argument like
>Intel lost because of ARM
>no Intel lost because of 10nm
>no Intel lost because of Moar Cores
the same goes for history, cars, photography, guns, trains etc., there are endless rabbit holes of autism for almost every topic

>>81664413 (OP)
It is kind of like Chad and Brad talking about a football game I guess.

>Also where do you get all of this knowledge from?
not going to lie, video games are usually the starting point and wikipedia is usually where I get a quick rundown, though I have read a few books they usually focus on this or that period or event, so if I want to learn about an italian anti-aircraft gun used to destroy russian tanks during the spanish civil war, yeah, I'm going to wikipedia, also >>>/his/ is sometimes a starting point for some novel event in history I soon want to learn about, also documentaries sometimes on TV and YT, but most are awful nowadays

>Do you just watch a shitton of youtube videos?
most are awful, as I said, they never get to the point and have tons of cringe ads in the middle which for some reason ublock can't block or because they are part of the video, a few YTers are ok like lindybeige

>And is there a "point" to this knowledge, like you believe you can predict future events with it?
most of us are smartasses and think we are well learned, but after a while you go full socrates and realize how little you know, then gradually you start to realize a few things about how the world works

an example would be a reddit meme like "the romans didn't have an industrial revolution because they have slaves", it makes sense right, why use a machine when you can use a slave, but you realize how retarded it is when you learn about a machine that is like 400 times faster than a human, even if you have slaves it is still more profitable to use the machine, the romans just didn't have the technology, they didn't even have windmills

>Or is it just for fun?
yeah, I guess like most autistic hobbies it takes a lot to get into, you have to start somewhere, like some video game then getting curious about how it went down in real life, then you connect with the historical figure and the people and the cool shit they did, idk

I dont think you necessarily need to be autistic to like wars, dudes like wars, especially ww2. Find me a dude who hasn't engaged in ww2 talk.

>>81664827
Statistically, 50% of the unselected population because the average person on the street is unable to tell you approximately WHEN WW2 happened. They just think it's the irrelevent black and white war their long-dead ancestor did something in (who never talked about it because turns out combat is pretty fucking traumatic).

>>81664809
Considering Kanye released a song whose chorus is literally "Nigga Heil Hitler", I think race is going to be even less protective (it wasn't before).

>>81664611
>im kinda curious how you got to that conclusion with the drones.
Well it helps that I am into hard stem...I am a physicist / mathematician by training at a very good university but all around me were engineers and computer scientists because math faculty most the faculty were those guys and I had a good network with the guys in ENG so I have quite a bit interest in military technology and technology in general it really was a long time coming the drone technology was extremely well developed and mastered because the hope for civilian applications like amazon talked about the possibility of using those 4-heli drones for delivery for literally over a decade it didn't take a genius to figure out that you can just get a slightly heavier model and strap a TATP package on it and boom you have the future of modern warfare...also the fact that these drones are retardedly cost efficient like $300 a piece at most the TATP they carry costs 10x more not to mention the potential for reconnaissance and unsurprisingly Eric Schmidt the CEO of google when the war broke out saw this potential first and made a killer drone company using Silicon Valley's best & brightest makes sense since he got brainwashed by that hawk kike Kissinger it's a bit sad though what happened to 'Do no Evil" lol...well its better we don't fall behind the Russians I guess. Kill them before they kill us. It's kill or be killed after all. But yeah...it was pretty obvious.

Again not a prophet or anything...but I'd probably be very handy to have around if WW3 ever happens lol. If it did...I can say with certainty you would be seeing alot of FPV or 4-heli drones...like alot alot. You would never forget the screams. I bet the guys at Ukraine are gonna be like the WW2 vets who shit themselves whenever there's fireworks...those guys will probably have a panick attack the rest of their life if they see some guy messing around with a Walmart drone.

>>81664413 (OP)
We have a board about that topic
>>>/his/

>>81664863
There are countermeasures though. Both russians and ukies discovered that firing at the drones with 12-gauge shotguns can be effective see previous video like you can shoot them they always try that before they get blown to pieces but with a regular gun it rarely works but with a 12-gauge shotgun using buckshot you actually have a chance...though not so much if the pilot in question is an ace...like this guy in this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmHgJlEzIJs

Currently the US DOD is developing an automated AI controlled automatic turret with 360 turning radius that fires small pellet buckshot that seems to be the most effective and cost effective counter measure...keep in mind you can use jammers but that literally broadcasts to the world your exact location and mortars/artillery are still the crown of modern warfare and haven't gone anywhere...they can just shell you at your exact location. Game over. Not to mention the average jammer is like $60k whilst a drone only costs $300 + $3000 for the TATP. Keep in mind these drones usually come in squadrons of 12-30 and most of them don't even carry explosives mostly for recon which is like 90% of modern warfare.

Trust me...if WW3 happens in your country you'll be seeing a lot of FPVs. In this I am rather confident. Pray it never happens.

>>81664413 (OP)
history autist here
we read books, lots and lots of books, there's a whole industry to producing them for popular audiences and you also have to write one (a denser, more academically focused one) to become a history professor
It's more about understanding the present than predicting the future, like a "I want to know more about the world an how it became like this" type thing.
I guess there's overlap in a sense, if you understand what's happened before it increases your ability to comprehend similar events, but it's not like the purpose of doing it and historically knowledgeable people still have disagreements

>>81664462
>They were very obviously schizophrenic actually, you guys really like stealing schizo glory I swear you autism supremacists are fucking insufferable lol

>>81664774

People who don't have a lot of power in their life fantasize about having it. It's the dream of being a general and having tons of people who unconditionally follow your commands. It's an extension of their social deficiency.

The ones who study history through an economic and cultural lense are trying to better understand human behavior, because it doesn't come naturally to the autistic. It's like how mentally ill people become psychiatrists. They're seeking the solution to their mental health problems.

>>81664413 (OP)

>x lost because of y
>no x lost because of z

Just an extension of the power fantasy. "If I was in charge we would have won" is the subtext of the conversation. They disagree vehemently on battle tactics because their tactics are an extension of their power fantasy and their identity.

>>81664685
yea thats pretty fucked it just looks like the sort of subject you can just impose whatever you want onto
>>81664814
makes sense i suppose
>>81664822
honestly i think i get it now thanks for the reply anon

>>81664912
Autism and schizophrenia you can have both theoretically but I can't think of any two more incompatible mental illnesses one is defined by extremely rigid thinking whilst the other is defined by basically the opposite heads in the clouds overactive pattern recognition you can be autistic and still have "le gene" that makes you psychotic but just because you're psychotic doesn't mean you have schizophrenia lol you can also be schizoaffective or bipolar I or any of the other myriad psychopathologies (they are different btw)

>>81664918
99% of the battlefield obsessives don't bother to look very deeply at all about the cultural aspects of whatever society they self-insert themselves as gallant warriors of. That's the one thing a proper college education would provide: an exposure to the other facets to integrate into your knowledge base, but nooooooo that's booooorrrrrriiiiiinnnnnggggg!!!!!

>>81664623
also to larp as having influential decision making power, that's why as you stated in OP it falls into a game of what ifs.

>>81664413 (OP)
Guys are like this about guns and cars and they're not even autistic. I am autistic and I don't understand their encyclopedic knowledge of either. I can't remember the dates of anything from history unless it's in the name, like 9/11. I also don't understand the War Hammer shit.

>>81664413 (OP)
Yeah, I like my autism about WW2 and NatSoc Germany. Also, the Hearts of Iron grand strategy game series.
That led me into Cold War history, and the Korean and Vietnam wars. Also all the sick shit that happened under commie regimes.
Strange how we got used to years of war/insurgency coverage in Afghanistan and Iraq, yet nothing was accomplished. Same with the Ukraine War.
>Also where do you get all of this knowledge from?
Wikipedia, YouTube, etc.
>Do you just watch a shitton of youtube videos?
Sometimes. Though the based revisionist historians were ofted scrubbed from YT.
>And is there a "point" to this knowledge, like you believe you can predict future events with it? Or is it just for fun?
Mostly out of interest. Some say that history may not repeat, but it does rhyme. Also 'those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'
Sadly, this move to globalism after WW2/Cold War is nothing short of a disaster and most of the sheep sleepwalking into slavery still don't realise it.
The West (particularly burgerland) settling out to Red China over the course of 1972-2001 and also ever since has caused a lot of this living hell. So much for computers letting us have our Keynesian 15 hour work weeks and a UBI. Instead, they went the other way. Though too many jobs are and will be lost.

>>81664623
My jod, it all makes sense now: those Civ games are almost always played by nerdy history chuds.

>>81664997
You understand why the rest of us call them "autistic map painting simulators" now?

>>81664774
I was way into WWII but for psycho-sexual reasons relating to my upbringing and family dysfunction I'd rather not get into on here and in retrospect consider WWII and Nazis to be lame, bland and uninteresting.

>>81664413 (OP)
Same, I wish I had the same passion they have

>>81664413 (OP)
History is one of the most batshit insane subjects and you have no idea how interesting this rabbithole gets.
>Every single nation writes its own accounts as soon as conflict starts, and working to convince everyone of a narrative is in itself effective in changing the tides of war.
>Regardless of narrative, once war goes into full swing, every warrior becomes morally and emotionally invested in fighting for his side, no matter hwo corrupt, because at that point, both sides have been killing each other and fight vengefully , so even a false war can turn into a real war
>Especially modern warfare is full of interests. It is gross, dirty, repulsive even. You are not fighting the enemy, you are executing manuvers that cost you and your opponent lives so your leader can make more money to justify keeing the war going. It is gross and uncomfortable
>At the end, every nation settles down to recount their history, often omitting and adding stuff that fit their narrative. pinning this against what actually happen, against each other, and against individual accounts is fascinating and helps create a more ocmplete picture and clarify a better picture of an impossibly complex conflict

Why is this important/interesting
The humans of the past were just as smart and full of life as we are. Being exposed to history and humanities of old not only teaches you about the subtleties of man, but also give important lessons and information about today, which often tends to be thought of as an "after" period.

>>81664952

Because it was never about the history. It was always about the power fantasy of having thousands of soldiers under your control. If all they ever talk about is war and conquest they're guaranteed to be dickheads who think they know better than everyone else. The anthropologists are still autistic, but at least they're trying to correct the actual issue.

>>81664413 (OP)
>Also where do you get all of this knowledge from?
You read a shit ton of books and then start noticing patterns.
>If you're a normie
You look for data that confirm a modern bias.
>If you're autistic
You'll hyper fixate on super specific quantative factors (like the amount of nickel mining in Bohemia in 1940-1945 or the number of SMGs at D-Day).
>If you're schizo
You'll look for the "big picture" and mostly ignore small details. Sometimes the big picture is thousand year cycles and shit.

The normies are usually the most '"right" in the decade they write in but become very "wrong" and dated after that.
The autistic is usually the best at getting detailed accurate accounts of history to get the best overall picture
The schizo is the best at using history to predict the future (making him politically more useful).