Thread 81664692

Being a trans man is the worst fates in life

>I will never be seen as a 'real' man
>I will always be a manlet
>I will always have this disgusting chest
>I will always have disgusting periods reminding me that my body will never be fully male
>my family will never accept me truly

I cant take this shit anymore. Why did God make me like this?? Why couldn't I have been born a man I hate this body so much I feel trapped. I will never be seen as a real man no matter how hard I try

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2zOw3Fsy3U

>>81664692 (OP)
literally why would anybody on earth wanna be a man. what is wrong with you

>>81664702
You don't know how lucky you are, bro.

>>81664706
do you hate women or something

>>81664692 (OP)
Why would you purposely nuke your value as a human being?

>>81664706
Don't call me bro disgusting freak

>>81664713
kill yourself then nigga

Did Dr. Shekelstein tell you that you're a man?

Why would you want to be a short ugly man

>>81664702
Thats what echo chambers do anon, its funny tho, kek get encouraged by everyone around you the hardcore mode is better, feels like sabotage

>>81664727
It's just how I am. I would rather be an ugly man than a woman.

>>81664692 (OP)
>>I will never be seen as a 'real' man
You too? I'm not even trans.

>>81664692 (OP)
With surgery, FTMS just look like short, dweeby men but they at least pass as men. MTF in comparison, even with all the surgery in the world you look like a complete joke and everyone hates you,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgskuTUY--o

>>81664692 (OP)
Nah, stop tripping bro. There are legit gay guys like me who love to see people develop their masculinity. My younger sister was questioning whether he was a transman, and I took him to the gym, to shoot hoops, and let him raid my wardrobe for clothes. He's a full fledged wigger now. I think trans guys are cool as fuck and would love to do gay shit with them. I won't even acknowledge your pussy during sex.

>>81664753
Thank you, this made me feel kind of better

>>81664752
Yeah, the way people treat trans women is gross, but I don't agree with the surgery part though, a lot of the trans girls I know irl pass really well

>>81664854
What helped my trans younger brother was just going full bro mode. Buy a few pairs of those baggy basketball shorts, some mens tank tops with metal art, like...goon every day to what you like and treat yourself to some Cigarellos. Be a little trashy if it helps your dysphoria. Your a guy now. Try to get that level of relaxation and duscipline. Work on your ethics, but also realize life isn't fair.

>>81664692 (OP)
God, it feels good to be a biological male. Eat shit, OP.

Sounds like a lot of self-made problems

>>81664692 (OP)
God made you a woman, you decided to reject it.

>>81664692 (OP)
i disagree. being a "woman" was the worst fate for me. i hated everything about it but especially how people treat you for it. going through life being seen as a man, even as a faggy manlet is so much better than the hell that was womanhood. if i got luckier, i would be born with a dick. it sucks but this is the card we were dealt with.

>>81664944
And lots of men, me being one, are okay with that. The more bros the better.7

>>81664985
yeah, actually I agree. No matter how horrible being trans is, I'll never want to live life as a woman ever again.

>>81664985
>being a "woman" was the worst fate for me
Why? Were you not respected? Did you "fail" at performing femininity?

>>81664985
>>81665021
Why? Don't tell me is because all the men hitting you?
>nooooooooo, these horrible rapists think they can talk with meeeee

>>81665021
realizing this is what sealed the deal for me to transition. i would rather live as a tranny, accepting the issues that come with it than ever have to live as a woman.
>>81665061
nobody respects women and it shouldn't be hard for you to figure out i hate femininity. it was an uncomfortable existence overall.
>>81665094
kill yourself faggot.

>>81664985
I give you a couple months until you detranstion because "people were treating me like shit" (aka you finally started to pass and stopped being treated with female priveledge)

>>81665185
You didn' answered, you are really Lesser than a fag, you even need to call me faggot lol
Fucking poon you'll never be seen as man
We laugh at you

>>81664985
Having a dick is not what makes you a man. Being a man is suffering, but it seems the part you cannot connect with is that this suffering should be for the good of people you care about and comes from a desire to protect them from the suffering that you endured. It's not completely unselfish, as this is what made you who you are. But it's nowhere near as selfish as you are in this fantastical bait narrative. Every man knows that no one cares if a man suffers unless it personally impacts their quality of life. Here lies your impossible quandary. If you actually were a man, you would shut the fuck up and take it on the chin or be a baby and accept that you should be treated like a woman/child, because that's what you are asking for. People listen to men mostly when they seem to know what they are talking about, or are being totally absurd, not because they have testicles. So even if you are a man, you are a man that desires to be treated like a woman. Seems like a lot of hoops for nothing of substance.

>>81664692 (OP)
you're a tomboy, not trans, you fucking idiot
you let the mind virus persuade you that lying to yourself and mutilating yourself is the only way to be happy : that's not science, that's not a solution, this is a death cult

>>81665238
>Being a man is suffering
and people wonder why so many men are transitioning nowadays

>>81665212
i am happier than ever when i present as male and i started transitioning in 2021.
>>81665238
no i just want to be a regular guy because it is a much better existence than being a woman for me. you sound like a closeted trans woman desu.

>>81665094
You're not asking this in good faith, but I'll answer anyway. Being a woman was a horrible experience personally for me, aside from being trans, women are not respected at all really. Growing up I had to deal with being seen as inferior and my body in general being 'wrong'. I was taught that women's bodies are dirty and that I should be ashamed of it and my parents viewed me as lesser than my brothers. I was also a target of sexualized insults towards me because I was a woman. Aside from the social aspect, having a women's body is exhausting too, it's too complicated to deal with imo. I hated every second of it

>>81665005
>implying pooners are "bros".

>>81665310
How brown or eastern European are you?

>>81665310
As an mtf how can I make every ftm i see feel better even a little bit

>>81665372
Just exist. It's incredibly funny.

>>81665372
just treat us like a normal guy, it's the best feeling in the world.

>>81665376
Ok well that was easy.

>>81665383
Ok sweetheart we will ;)

>>81665393
U aren't me quit it

>>81665404
Never said I was, troonasaurus.

>>81665310
Sounds like you have unresolved trauma. But maybe ftm overdetect these slights for being female more, but it sounds like you are not trans and instead just went through too many negative experiences related with being a woman.

>>81665414
that's not trauma, that's just how the world treatz you when you're a woman.

>>81665437
The world treats you with kid gloves because you act a child.

>>81665437
The women I know are not treated that way. Ive never seen anyone imply womens bodies are dirty or theyre inferior, at least IRL.

>>81665437
You are sensitive and love being a victim
You are a woman alright

>>81665469
Im guessing she's from eastern Europe, as far as i know the aforementioned mindset is not common in western Europe or the Americas.

>>81665484
I'm American, and just because you don't overtly see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen lmao.

>>81665469
>>81665484
>>81665565
because you are men who have no idea what it's like to be born female lmao no shit.

Only trans man I ever met was my ex roommate who sucked my dick in the shower within a week of her moving in, in that moment she was a woman, it's all bullshit and you know it

>>81665598
please kill uyourself

>>81665583
Thats good brother but you may wanna get checked with a specialist on gender issues cause youre citing weird complexes from your upbringing that most women dont have or dont care about as much. But I mean you should know better just saying the reasons your citing arent the best but if you feel your spiritually male then I cant say youre wrong.

>>81665605
Impossible to sympathize with you people, I'm glad your family hates you you absolute mental retard, there's a reason you never see any transsexual geniuses, you're 85 IQ subhumans who in some innate level know this and thus resort to underhanded tactics like identity politics to grant yourself a relevant position on the global stage, sincerely, end your life, I actually have a functioning brain so society needs me

>>81665583
You were born female and have no idea what its like being a man, pooner.

Yeah you just seem kinda cringe dude just innately unlikable and weird
You should focus on your actual problems and stop trying to larp as a dude

>>81665610
>youre citing weird complexes from your upbringing that most women dont have or dont care about as much
well yeah, most people are not transgender. trans people are uncomfortable with their assigned gender at birth.

>>81665641
>>81665632
>>81665626
Now you just pilling up on em. If he is trans then he deserves sympathy, if he isnt then he deserves it for being confused. Lets not shit on random innocent people.

>>81665469
>>81665484
Im from the US, And i was never overtly told that I was inferior or dirty, but it was implied by the way people treated me and the things people had said to me based on my gender at the time.

>>81665673
>Innocent
Bitch told me to kill myself lol

>>81665690
It was implied?
Can you give specific examples of behaviour or phrases?

>>81665721
op don't even engage with these faggots their agenda is clear they are only asking to fight.

>>81665704
And you should lmao lol

>Scroll thread
>Zero images proving OP is FtM
Fake and gay, as usual.

>>81664692 (OP)
>
You willingly went from living life on easy mode to nightmare mode. Why? Being a troon is literally right at the bottom of the totem pole.

Ugly woman cope

>>81665756
It's going from easy mode to tutorial mode actually

>>81665774
People treat you like youre a retarded woman
They arent treating you like how they treat actual men

>>81665786
People treat me in a way that makes my life easy

>>81665798
Because you look and act retarded

>>81665810
Why is that a bad thing? I can look and act retarded all I want it doesn't make anything harder

>>81665704
how was I supposed to react to that weird shit you said to me

>>81665786
i wish i was treated like actual men so bad.

>>81665641
If defending myself makes me unlikeable then I really don't care, I'm not just going to not say anything back while people are being weird and transphobic towards me

>>81664692 (OP)
>tfw male repper
wanna trade?

>>81664702
>wanna be a man
nta but we don't want to be this way. when i was younger i wanted to be a girl so i could be normal so so bad but it's just part of who i am and i can either beat myself up about it or deal with it and stop focusing on shit that makes me unhappy.

>>81664692 (OP)
Trans man is an oxymoron. No real man would give up their privilege to become a dickless manlet. You are a mentally ill women. If you were a real man you would not have transitioned.

>>81666240
I don't see every man transitioning tho

>>81664753
>My younger sister was questioning whether he was a transman, and I took him to the gym, to shoot hoops, and let him raid my wardrobe for clothes. He's a full fledged wigger now. I think trans guys are cool as fuck and would love to do gay shit with them.
Fuck your sister and report back

>>81666259
>I don't see every man transitioning tho
lots of men want to be women but transitioning as an mtf is probably harder than ftm because testosterone only works in one direction

>>81666271
If men really wanted to be women they would take the estrogen. If the thought of growing tits grosses you out you don't want to be a woman.

>>81666299
>If the thought of growing tits grosses you out you don't want to be a woman.
growing tits is the good part
the bad part is the risk of completely destroying your life because mtfs are seen as perverted ugly hulking rapebeasts

>>81666318
If you don't want to completely destroy your life you don't actually want to be a woman

>>81666318
stop idolizing disgusting female features itt having breasts fucking sucks the only reason why you think otherwise is because you are attracted to them but you wouldn't be if you were a woman so you just don't get it

>>81665246
This.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to be masculine (or feminine).
People are weird and you can be as weird as you want in modern society.
But if you expect to become a real boy by taking body-destroying hormones and pretending to be something you aren't, then you're gonna be doing that a loooong time.

>>81666329
i guess with everything if you're too cowardly to do it you don't want it enough
doesn't make it less scary
>>81666341
i wish i had boobs lmao

>>81666365
If you don't want what estrogen would do to you you don't want to be a woman. Men exist, they don't want to be women.

>>81666365
>i wish i had boobs lmao
NTA, but you don't wish you had boobs, you are attracted to boobs and want to touch them in a specific way.
Let me ask you something: how do you feel about your middle toe on your right foot? Nothing much, right?
You probably only think about it when you hit the corner of a desk with it.
Now imagine if you lost it in an accident. Would you suddenly start caring about it? Will it take up all your thoughts and plague you constantly?
No, it wouldn't. After a month or two you'd forget you even had it in the first place.

This way of thinking is what you should be thinking about any body part.
The fact that you're not thinking this way about your (lack of) boobs is because you don't want boobs because you feel like you need to have them, but because you're sexualizing having boobs. In other words, it's a fetish.
And believe it or not, you can get rid of fetishes.

>>81666388
>If you don't want what estrogen would do to you you don't want to be a woman.
you're looping anon
you can just say if you're afraid of the social backlash of taking estrogen you don't want it
that's a fair opinion but it has nothing to do with what estrogen does to you

>>81666435
If estrogen makes society judge you and that's enough to deter you then you don't want to be a woman it's that simple.

>>81666365
you don't wish you had boobs you are just sexually attracted to them

>>81666431
what the fuck is this take lmfao

>>81666453
you're looping but also i agree and i just need the strength to start injecting hrt
but assuming that you're op or ftm the social acceptance of ftms is way higher than mtfs

>>81666475
>what the fuck is this take lmfao
nta but a dose of reality?

>>81666475
>you're looping
Yeah maybe if I repeat it enough times you'll start to get it some people are only able to learn through repetition

>>81666431
>After a month or two you'd forget you even had it in the first place
do you honestly believe this applies to breasts or frankly anything besides a middle toe on one foot lmao
i lost functionality in the top joint of my right pinky when i was a little kid and not only did it take far longer than a month or two to adapt but it still crosses my mind as an adult every once in a while
have i been fetishizing the tip of my pinky?

>>81666475
>what the fuck is this take lmfao
It's the truth.
One that you'll sadly never accept, but it is the truth nonetheless.

>>81666493
you're not even paying attention since you don't even realize i'm agreeing with you lmao
>I repeat it enough times you'll start to get it
it's a lot of negative reinforcement but idk maybe that's what i need to finally inject hrt

>>81666536
I was originally talking to this anon >>>>81666240
>Trans man is an oxymoron. No real man would give up their privilege to become a dickless manlet. You are a mentally ill women. If you were a real man you would not have transitioned.
This implies all men want to be women and I'm saying that's not true

>>81666519
>but it still crosses my mind as an adult every once in a while
Yes, exactly! The keyphrase being "once in a while".
You don't obsess over the loss because your brain is designed to adapt to change.
Most transgender people don't suffer from gender dysphoria, they are simply fetishizing becoming a woman or having female body parts.

>>81666585
>You don't obsess over the loss because your brain is designed to adapt to change.
humans obsess over things more trivial than bodily integrity

>Most transgender people
does transgender people only mean mtf to you

>they are simply fetishizing becoming a woman or having female body parts.
if you view everything men do from a sexual lens then everything is a fetish to you but that just sounds like misandry
a lot of agp trans women lose their agp when they transition and their sex drive is reduced but they still stay on hormones

>>81666666
Waste of digits kill yourself.

>>81666666
>transgender people
Stop using this meme. Say it as it is: "does men dressed as women..."

>>81666691
Men dressed as women are still people

>>81664692 (OP)
You're never gonna be considered a real man if you don't act like one. Lesbians from my country are a lot more masculine than ftms in the west.

>>81666585
what do you think gender dysphoria is if not distress related to perceived gender? wanting physical traits typically associated with the opposite sex comes from dysphoria. i dont really understand your thought process here.
i dont think about my pinky much anymore because i now know how to use my hands without the mobility of that finger. in other words, the problem has been resolved. the way i was living required change and when that need was met it was no longer relevant.
i think the same way about transition. the problem with that is that transition takes years and years. it's not as simple as using the other hand or doubling up with my ring finger for support. being fixated on a problem you have doesn't mean it's fetishistic, it means that it hasn't been resolved yet.

>>81666712
There is no thought process with them. If mtfs were more beautiful, they'd be on board 100%. They just need someone to bully because they can't hack it with normal people.

>>81666666
>humans obsess over things more trivial than bodily integrity
Not that I disagree, but name them.
You'll see that they won't have much in common with the loss of a body part.
>does transgender people only mean mtf to you
What of what I've stated made you think I was merely talking about MtF transgender people?
>if you view everything men do from a sexual lens
You're putting words in my mouth because you can't defend your worldview.

>>81666712
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that causes one to feel uncomfortable within their body due to their brain structure being more similar to that of the opposite sex.
Unfortunately, transitioning is not a solution. They end up in a mangled body that is incapable of producing hormones that ensure a proper hormonal environment, leading to a worsening of their condition.

Most transgender people do not suffer from gender dysphoria, as they, as I've already said, fetishize either the proces of becoming someone of the other sex or being someone of the other sex (and most importantly, having access to body parts exclusive to the other sex).

>>81664702
NTA, but I am AAP and it ticked off ever since I was thirteen and wanted to be like Ciel Phantomhive. I was never a feminine girl and I have some male interests like military but I am not all manly since I am a fujo. I want to crossdress as a male and one of my biggest fantasies was to one of them to discover I am not a real man or a boy and fuck me properly back into a woman or having him making fun of my female characteristics and anatomy. All in Victorian attire because I still want to be Ciel Phantomhive

>>81666813
>Not that I disagree, but name them.
anger over not being in a relationship, normie social status symbols
>You'll see that they won't have much in common with the loss of a body part.
and?
>What of what I've stated made you think I was merely talking about MtF transgender people?
>Most transgender people don't suffer from gender dysphoria, they are simply fetishizing becoming a woman or having female body parts
don't know if this applies to ftms
>You're putting words in my mouth because you can't defend your worldview.
ok so agp goes away then they lose interest in the fetish and they stay on hormones anyways

>>81666860
>Unfortunately, transitioning is not a solution.
it's the most effective treatment so far

>>81666860
>transitioning is not a solution.
>leading to a worsening of their condition.
do you have any actual proof for this?
>Most transgender people do not suffer from gender dysphoria
or this?

i've been on hrt for a few years and am the happiest i've ever been. before i started i was debilitatingly depressed for most of my youth starting at puberty and after beginning hrt i've been able to live entirely off any kind of antidepressants which i never thought possible.

>>81666911
>anger over not being in a relationship
Having an intimate relationship is necessary in order to maintain sanity.
>normie social status symbols
Vague nonsense that doesn't mean anything.
>and?
Apples and oranges.
>don't know if this applies to ftms
Of course not, you're special.
>agp goes away
I don't think you know what a mental illness is.
>it's the most effective treatment so far
For people suffering from gender dysphoria? Perhaps. But it is like cutting off their hand when it got infected.
For most people who think they are transgender, not encouraging them to cut off their hand and therapy to explore the origin of their fetishes works wonders.
>>81666951
>and am the happiest i've ever been
You're so happy, you're currently preaching in a place full of incels.

>>81667038
>You're so happy, you're currently preaching in a place full of incels.
wow you sure got me there! lmao

>>81667038
>Having an intimate relationship is necessary in order to maintain sanity.
it's not that important
>Vague nonsense that doesn't mean anything.
nothing means anything to you
>Apples and oranges.
not at all
>Of course not, you're special.
>ad hominem

>>81666388
Yeah, because estrogen wouldn't make me into a woman, it'd just make me into a weird-looking man. If estrogen made me actually look like a woman I'd 100% take it.

>>81664692 (OP)
>be lucky enough to be born a girl in a developed society
>throw it all away to become an ugly halfdude
>my life is so hard its so unfair

>>81664692 (OP)
Being trans isn't fate it's a choice, you chose this life.

>>81667111
A real woman would take looking like a weird man over looking like a man. If you don't want to look like a weird man and prefer looking like a man, then congrats, you don't want to be a woman.

As a gnc woman that never shaves or performs feminity unless I want you I mog you so fucking hard. Every time I see one of you in public, I just tut a little inwardly. You are such a fucking loser
Wahh I wasn't born Stacy so I'm going to LARP that I'm a man wahh
Be for real nigga kek

>>81667649
See women are such bitches idk why anyone would voluntarily associate with that group

>>81667684
Yeah much better to be a hug box larper and smash your titties and give yourself acne and facial hair
I think the giant clits from t are kind of hot though. When I was single and trying to hook up a lot I tried to hook up with one of you guys but it was too hard to find. Ended up fucking a zoomer guy with mooba because he looked like a girl from the profile and I didn't want to misgender him. We vibed enough in real life and the dick was good enough I just decided to roll with it

>>81667714
Literally obsessed with appearance, no soul

>>81667714
>smash your titties
??

>>81667649
>As a gnc woman that never shaves or performs feminity
afab or tranny?
>>81667714
>I think the giant clits from t are kind of hot though.
i'm not that anon i'm a gross moid who is jealous as fuck of giant clits

>>81667760
They wear binders until they can cut them off which damages posture breast tissue and lungs heart and spine

>>81667790
the only thing true about this is posture and breast tissue but that's not universal and if they get double mastectomies it's not like slightly weakened cooper's ligaments matter at all

>>81664692 (OP)
you knew of all this and still went through with it?

>>81664692 (OP)
This is kinda what being an autistic girl is like. Growing up I had a mixture of mostly male and female interests and wondered if I was trans (when I found out what it meant) because I literally never fit in with girls and hated being a girl due to the way people treated me. I didn't fit in with boys, either, and I would find that out later, but besides the point.. anyway, I was really isolated from my female peers, they just didn't seem to like me. I didn't have the natural feminine oomf they seemed to have. They could so effortlessly slap on a dress or a cute hoodie, do their hair in a slick back, cute ponytail, put on some makeup, wear heels, be gentle, cute, soft, quiet, and I couldn't, not really. I had to learn it. I mean I was quiet as a kid, but I was the quiet that was considered "rude" or "weird". Adults hated me, they thought I was rude whenever I didn't wanna hug or say hi to or talk to them or be too close to them when really I was just protecting my space. Other kids thought I was weird for it.

When it came to girls, like whenever I would try to join they would push me away and stuff. It carried on into middle school and puberty (I hit puberty in elementary, I was an early bloomer), I made friends, kind of. You know how girls talk about boys they like and other stuff? Whenever I tried to join those conversations they would give me like this look of "wtf" or when I asked them about dating stuff they always said "You don't seem like the type of person to date", something along those lines. Like I felt like less of a girl. I tried to befriend boys, but they never wanted to be my friend because, well, I'm a girl and most guys don't really want to be friends with girls. Even if you are friends with a guy you will never be the same level of "friend" as his male friends.

You'll never really fit in with anyone unfortunately