I still find it very surprising that people are religious in 2025. Do you people seriously believe in gay little magic?

New atheism died a little under a decade ago, mate.

Unfortunately yes. This won't last forever, though.

>>81673442 (OP)
nah there is some powerful voodoo going on with religious belief

there is literal programming in the human that will convince you god exists

I have seen some shit that would even turn you into a beleiver

what you mean you don't believe that everyone who disagrees with you is going to be tortured forever? Are you crazy

>>81673476
>there is literal programming in the human that will convince you
It's called suspension of disbelief

>>81673476
dude you ever read snowcrash

>>81673508
no its much much more powerful than that

its the most logical proof one could ever want if they wanted to prove god exists to themselves

>>81673442 (OP)
its a cultural thing mostly i think, though the whole middle east is filled with inbred monkeys so that might explain some of it

>>81673518
I have not what is it about?

>>81673541
you're wrong but even if you were right, that doesn't tell you which god is the correct one

>>81673442 (OP)
It's mostly boomers I've met some people, I get very surprised when someone says they are religion, when they ask me I simply reply "I don't believe in magic"

>>81673442 (OP)
the idea of a god, or gods have always been kinda silly to me. but i cant also go full atheist either. im somewhere between theist agnostic and deist

>>81673566
it does actually

but its really complicated it depends on which god you persue

they all have different "affirming proofs"

as someone who has experienced the pinicacle a handful of religions

I can tell you there is good logical reason why someone would believe

but a non believer you will never reach those hights

the very mention that they exist will cause you deny them forever leaving them out of your reach

but that's perfectly fine

to each their own

Why do you think children of narcissistic, manipulative, gaslighting, evil parents tend to make excuses for them and say "they're not that bad" or even outright say "my parents were good I was just a selfish child"

when you're a child your parents are god and the survival techniques and coping mechanisms you learn from that essentially trap you in systems and cycles of narcissistic abuse your entire life and very few people break free of it. You see ghe fucking comments in videos on these basic psych 101 subjects saying "I'm 69 years old and I finally divorced my narcissistic husband who cheated on me and beat me daily," abuse cycles are powerful.

Anyone who's not weaponizing religion for power and control over others is likely a victim of someone else doing it to them.

>>81673442 (OP)
No one actually believes in religion, but being an atheist is still midwit garbage. Basically all high IQ people practice some religion, since they accept that the only way to not kill yourself is to throw yourself into some massive cope, even if you know it is a cope, even if everyone knows it is a cope. The only people too stupid to recognize this are atheists and children.

>>81673589
It doesn't. Specially when so many existing religions are all about discrediting each other and claiming to be the one and only truth. If one is correct, than the others are lies, so which one is the right one?
Notice how your vagueness is how you hide the lack of substance in your post

>>81673646
well y eah I know I can't prove it

why would I get specific?

>>81673648
You would speak clearly if you weren't full of shit and had anything worth saying. But that's not how religions go.
At best you will pretend that your interlocutor isn't enlightened enough to see what you see, and the only way to see it is to enter the cult

>>81673666
w/e I am done conversation

I can't prove it

and youre getting pretty hostile

have good one anon

>>81673646
>Specially when so many existing religions are all about discrediting each other and claiming to be the one and only truth.
That's not even true.

>>81673702
>thou shall have no other gods before me

>>81673673
You're done because you don't have anything worthwhile to say

>>81673737
Kek, that was predictable. You think you're an atheist, but you have a Christian mind.

>>81673772
>be proven wrong with direct quotations
>deflect
All abrahamic religions thrive in claims of exclusivity

At least religious people actually propose something, instead of cowardly hiding behind nihilism.

>>81673834
What they propose is objectively evil, though

>>81673848
You don't even have a standard for objective ethics. You morals boil down to whatever the whim of the majority currently is.

>>81673882
Their "objective ethics" says the vast majority of humanity is being tortured forever.
A mere glimpse of what their "ethical superiority" has brought about

>>81673442 (OP)
For me, it was realizing spiritualism for normies is rather ironically simply another playground for social hierarchy games and hedonism. Its all about ego

>>81673913
So what? That's their standard of good and evil. You're just arguing from a the POV of the secular continuation of their tradition. But, realistically, you have no claim to that. You believe in the validity of their origin, to begin with. So you might as well stop it with pearl-clutching.

>>81673984
>So what?
Their standard for "good" is evil in itself. A prime example of religion twisting evil for goodness. Up is down. War is peace. Most of humanity burning forever is actually a good thing. More soldiers for israel. Suddenly the objectiveness of their standards become its greatest flaw

>>81673913
People will be given over to what they desire. Is that truly so awful?

>>81673442 (OP)
Whats the point of this thread again? Why even discuss religion if you have such fixed viewpoints yourself if only for the sake of argument and argument alone? You make claims that religious nuts are mentally ill then act mentally ill yourself, so I guess you aren't much different. Grow up.

>>81674023
Are you slow? You can't condemn them, because you don't even have laws for "good and evil". There is no objective ethics. Back in the day, people were inherently immoral. Like animals.

In actuality, religion was that a prophet, for example Moses, came to the people to tell them they can't do a thing anymore, because it's "evil". That they introduced "good and evil" is what is so revolutionary about "religion". Of course now that religion has been demystified - at least in the West - we're back at square one where anything goes. Your POV is now obsolete.

>>81673461
>New atheism died
Only because atheism has been normalized since then.

If you measure your IQ with a three digit number, have access to a toilet, and are under 60 there's like a 90% chance that you don't believe in spooky ooky spirits in the sky.

>>81674117
>90% chance that you don't believe in spooky ooky spirits in the sky.
And there's also a 90% chance that you're not going to reproduce. Atheism isn't sustainable. In a Darwinian sense it's not efficacious. It's a mind virus that kills its host.

Yeah yeah, atheism is a tired trope.
Religion is an even more tired trope.
I also find it surprising people can believe in things.

>>81673442 (OP)
God exists, but i've decided not to worship Him
simple as

>>81673442 (OP)
I just find it surprising they believe in Christianity and not Zeus or something. At least Zeus was a gay rapist so it made sense why life is always trying to fuck you anally.

>>81673461
It did not die, it just succeeded in its objectives which is why none talks about it anymore.

>>81673461
Thats like saying air conditioning or water treatment died. No buddy. Atheist is just the reality. You have no evidence for your religion. You lost.

>>81674207
Every year, the percentage of the population the does not believe keeps growing and growing, so it is indeed the future of evolution.

>>81673442 (OP)
i don't like acting like a reddit atheist but yes i think religion is dumb and i agree with you op

>>81673508
we prefer to call it "blind faith" sweatie ;^)

It's the ultimate cope
It supports just-world fallacy
It's gynocentric (men need to protect & provide for women)
and for these reasons gets shilled hard by the ruling class
in b4
>b-but muslim womyn-
stay sheltered and supplied while the men die by drone, heat, or labor, convinced their GBP will send them to heaven or w/e