leftists suddenly belive in economics when it comes to terrifs but not taxing the rich? do you belive in tax incidence or not

>>81718829 (OP)
There's more to life than the economy, but no, that doesn't justify becoming a total chud either.

>>81718829 (OP)
You just trust wealthy elites of the government.

>>81718829 (OP)
Im a socialist, I want economic policy to represent measurable reality. If you can't measure it I don't care.

If you're gonna claim that taxation does bad things, prove it, because you can't. You can scream, provide logical proofs, but you can't actually provide evidence.

>>81718829 (OP)
for example
"terrifs are bad because it will just be passed to the consuumer"
ok
taxing the rich does the same thing

why would a country or a company take the tax hit when it can be passed to the consumer
>>81718843
when it comes to economic policy, there is not anything more than the economy. If you are talking about the meaning of life or some equally esoteric stuff, then please know that that stuff can only be pursued in peace and prosperity. If you want to meditate, thats free. If you want to have friends and worship, thats free. But money and the mateerial side of the world should be set up for the maximum production of goods and value for everyone
and the only intolerant one here is you
>>81718857
heres a book for you to read
"Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis"
>>81718856
No I don't. Next time you should ask what I believe before assuming what I believe in bad faith. Thats how a conversation works

>>81718829 (OP)
whaaaa~ republicans want to take away my rights! yeah i wonder why you annoying faggots

>>81718918
Do you guys know what passes for a right nowadays? I recommend you read the universal declaration of human rights. After reading that, does something feel wrong? maybe a bit off?

Human rights are not a legacy of the traditions representative theories of say Thomas Aquinas or John Locke. The UDs human rights are at odds with any view that takes human beings
frank van dun, human dignity reason or desire

its because they made it the fuck up. Before the hegemony of this cult that refuses to give itself a name we knew with much more clarity what a human was entitled to and what he was not entitled to. Now, it is a serious position that people are entitled to more than what they should be naturally. There can be no other underpinning than this: If a human desires something enough, it becomes a right. And these rights are "no more or less valuable" than any other right. Thats literally what the UDHR believes

but hey, thats just a bunch of libertarian larp nonsense

>>81718829 (OP)
it's like leftists suddenly believing in borders when they see normalfags no longer putting up with their retarded beliefs

ok, my tangent aside, if you can agree that if terrifs are bad. You must equally take up the position that taxxing the producers of the society also leads to prices going up. Because if a country is taxed 10% they will just increase their prices 10%. The same would also happen to a business owner
If you gave everyone in the society an equal amount of money you would soon see that a few people at the top would gain more and more capital. These are the producers that provides goods and services to the community. We would be nowhere without them. They also have all the power in how to price their goods. It is not beneficial to price them exorbitantly high so they do not do that. But when you tax them and their income and their business then they get forced by the hand of the government arbitrarily to raise their prices. You are essentially just paying the government indirectly
>>81719006
I believe in private borders. Open boarders are just incompatible with an advanced liberal society even if one finds it hard to justify. I like living in a state that functions more than i like being the nicest person on the planet

if you believe in any of what i just said, you will be blocked by trannies for...erm *checks notes* racism and being right wing

>>81719021
his words. not mine

>>81719021
please find something better to do

>>81719033
im actually content to complain about you all day. bye bye sleepy

>>81719039
thats kinda sad. please find another ugly tranny to be obsessed over and leave me alone

>>81719006
Under Biden, Trump called up Congress and successfully killed a conservative *bipartisan* border security bill (mainly worked on by a Republican congressman) because he felt it would've been a political win for Biden. Trump admitted to this, with his own rotten mouth.

AHEM

>>81719042
You're not ugly. you are a bad person though and thats what i care about

>>81719047
why do you care? you know you can just not mention me or talk about me?

>>81718829 (OP)
its really simple, very soon I'm going to take what you have that I lack, with violence

erm thats actually kinda sad :P blocking someone because you have bpd is actually sad
>>81719051
I know i can do that sleepy

only reason im not doxing you is that you will dox me back. but i dont quite know how long those embarrassing photos will matter to me. even after that, i would still care more about your betral and what you did more than me looking bad. you can even call me a pedo cuz i told you i jerked off to loli. i do not fucking care. even if you attach my face to that. dont piss me off more
>>81719052
or more correctly, you will vote (still an act of aggression) for men to do it for you. the actual vangard of this theft is small compared to the people who approve of it

sleep, why did you say that that guy freaking out at gamestop was not male-brained behavior but what i did was male brained? and why would that matter to me? if anything, what i did was pretty fem-brained and pathetic

but hey, thats just my opinion. you have your own opinion about things and thats perfectly valid too!

>>81719066
i didn't "betray you"
stop talking about me it's pathetic
why did you want to dox me in the first place? because i blocked you? blocking someone is not an attack lmfao
you need friends and you need purpose in your life dude

>>81719043
because they added shit unrelated to border security in the bill in an attempt to sneak it through, typical of sneaky underhanded leftists

>>81719079
if you truly considered me a friend or whatever you would just leave me the fuck alone
i already apologised for whatever i did. move on find new friends

generic anti left slop

>>81719079
blocking someone for a pethetic small reason is actually pretty mentally ill. now is it mentally ill to post someones face on 4chan and bitch about them for months? i dont know. maybe not if you cared about them alot. but hey thats just my opinion sleepy
i think you are way more pathetic than me because you cant handle being close to a person who might not agree with you, i on the other hand take politics less seriously
>>81719086
It is you who never considered me a friend. because if you did you wouldnt be such a piece of shit. but hey, thats just my opinion. i know you have your own opinion and thats perfectly valid too

>>81719099
no its not generic anti left slop. its specific anti left slop

whaaa~ i already apologized for blocking you when i knew i was the only person you talked to or cared about now please stop bitching about me after i already made you care a lot about me before i blocked you for a petty reason

>>81719100
dude i dont want to be close with you because you're weird and your politics disagree with me. i'm not obligated to be friends with you and that's not an attack
mentally ill =\= hurting someone
i did consider you a friend
now i just want you to leave me the fuck alone
you scare me
FIND SOMETHING TO DO. GET OUTSIDE

>>81719116
haha. sure. i belive you did not aggress upon me when you blocked me. That dosnt change the fact that its pretty fucked up to block a long time friend. and for what, the sake of an echochamber?
and look at the things you say. thats not scary? you litterally said you wanted to see me put down like a dog and hanged. what the fuck i never said that about you? you need some serious help. im bitching about you on 4chan because i used to care about you. and guess what? im going to keep bitching and bitching about this tranny i was real close with that blocked me for no fucking reason

of course your not obligated to be friends with me. but im obligated to be able to speak about people that piss me off. you should just ignore my threads if you dont like it. your not obligated to read

>>81719115
ok im sorry i was the only person you talked to i didnt know that
ok?
what abt ur other friends cant you just talk to them

>>81719132
i said that shit after you doxxed me and i was freaking out and i dont feel bad about it. once i realised i had way more embarassing shitom you you started acting like a victim
sure you can bitch about me. its pathetic but ok
just dont dox me lol

>>81718829 (OP)
There is really no economic argument for leftism. All support of leftism is ideological.

>>81719136
Im a pretty lonely person with nothing to do. maybe ill work up the courage to post your face again today. i kinda dont care how i look

no, nobody is friends with me. meh ;p id rather post on 4chan anyway baka
im mad
>>81719142
i like economics i should read more :]

>>81719140
you were being super cruel btw lol. purposefully taunting me when i was freaking out. so stop now acting like a victim when u were fine being cruel before

>>81719108
internet angry moid archetype

>>81719150
yeah that was fun to do i admit

>>81719147
dude why? what the fuck is your problem? do you not see how this is pathetic? it's not my fault you got too attached to me, i didn't know that. u can do that but acknowledge ur not justified for it lmao. u cant both act like a psychopath and a victim

>>81719156
so why do i have to feel bad for you?

>>81719157
ohhhh stop making me feel like an asshole >_<
your a pretty bad person too
why cant i just complain about you in peace

>>81719173
how am i a bad person
if its for my politics sure, i see you as a bad person for your politics too (not the libertarian stuff idc)

>>81719167
;p idk im silly
but i tell u one thing. nobody ever did this to me. maybe its cuz im not bpd

Listen man, I hate trannies and blacks just as much as you, but there's no reason to let a single person hold more wealth than some countries.

>>81719184
no one ever did what to you
i'm not bpd for wanting you to leave me alone. you're terrifying. obsessed and with way too much time on your hands

>>81719186
he was my friend and he threw everything i had away
>>81719179
good people dont hurt people they are supposed to care about >:P !!!

>>81719188
im not terrifying. i think your using that word too easily. i bitch about you on 4chan. and i might keep doing it everyday

I never understood why Americans are so submissive and easily manipulated. Trump's plan is to increase taxes on the poor and middle class, while giving free money to rich people. Trillions are going to the rich just because. And killing the economy in the process. And for some reason Americans are ok with this.

>>81719191
i didnt throw everything you had away. again its not my fault you were this attached, i used to be attached to u too and u didnt rlly seem to care. you need to reconnect with your old friends from that server
how did i hurt you?? i dont want to hurt you i want you to leave me the fuck alone and stop talking about me

>>81719198
sure just acknowledge you're not justified, u keep flipping between psychopath "ill do whatever i want" and "wahhh u hurt me!" clearly if you were fine with being cruel to me and taunting me before you never cared that much

if im so obsessed thats why i had to not talk to you for a few days to avoid you insane political sperg outs. you want everyone you dont like to die. thats way more insane than a person like me being overly attached to you
>>81719205
>how did i hurt you?? i dont want to hurt you i want you to leave me the fuck alone and stop talking about me
bruhhhh

dont worry if you keep giving me a parasocial relationship i will never stop. what about what im doing is terryfing? we dont even live on the same continent. you have to use your words you silly goose ;p
>>81719216
you dont know that!
and i would only ever post your face after you blocked me and severed any good will a normal person would have for you

>>81719203
SHUT UP STOP TALKING ABOUT POLITICS IM TALKING TO ME E-GIRLFRIEND HERE

>>81719225
i dont want everyone i dont like to die i get emotional over things
>dont worry if you keep giving me a parasocial relationship i will never stop
so basically u provoke me because its the only chance you get to talk to me? all i have to do is never talk to you and you'll eventually leave me alone? or will you genuinely just be obsessed with me years after ive had ffs and paid off my loans and have a house and my group of friends who ive grown with for years

>>81719203
and yes i dont like the situation with the national debt either

>>81719246
>i get emotional over things
poor baby ;(
you are so cute honestly, not when ur being mean tho
>>81719246
who can tell the future man ;p i just really liked you and oh well. no it is no more

>>81719258
so if you eventually get over me will you find someone else to obsess over

>>81719262
who knowssssssssss
:P
i didnt obsess over you ok i just liked you. god people are so sensitive-nya -,-

i dont really get emotional about politics. i get emotional about people. maybe i just care too much-nya ;p

>>81719282
i get it. well im sorry for hurting you ok?

>>81718829 (OP)
im gonna fuck that eevee.

>>81718829 (OP)
oh yeahhh. i got a pretty big 4chan thread. looks like im famous now

>>81719286
im not going to dox you or anything
now you can go and nvr talk to me again

>>81719043
republicans are just overgrown children with oppositional defiance disorder

>>81719310
im reading the wikipedia of ODD and that sounds based

> thread was actually dogwhistle for npd gay discord drama
I fell for it again

>>81719430
we can still talk about economic policy. what do you think about the field of economics?

>>81718894
Not every tax can be passed to the consumer. VATs are by definition, taxes on the incomes of corporate executives can't be, taxes on profits can't be, etc.

>>81719589
uhhh.....*looks around* FUCK YOU NIGGER LOOK AT THIS GRAPH

IM PRETTY SMART, HUH?

>>81718829 (OP)
What do you consider "rich"?

>>81719589
>taxes on income of executive
oh gee i wonder if he will raise prices to compensate
>taxes on profits
oh gee, i wonder if he raises prices to compensate. he is the producer of the goods after all. he has the control of prices

>terrif on a country
oh gee, i wonder if they will raise prices for the consumer to compensate. OH WAIT THEY LITTERALLY SAID THEY WOULD (1)

1:
https://www.axios.com/2025/05/25/trump-tariffs-brands-increase-prices

inflation is also a tax on people. it just takes away your buying power instad of your dollars
>>81719604
millionaires. but when a millionaire becomes a millionaire he considers a billionaire to be rich. then the billionaire considers the 3 digit billionaire to be rich. nobody wants to pay more taxes. and the people with the means to not pay taxes themselfs will not pay the taxes if they can avoid it. such is their right if they attained the money through legal non coercive means

>>81719628
A mere millionaire is slightly below the average net worth in america.

Tariffs? Taxing the rich? I know nothing about this. I'm not an importer nor rich. Taxing the poor, now that is a problem. I make $60k/yr and over half of it is taxed. Social security, medicare, medicaid, that's 30% alone between me and my employer. Then there's income tax, sales tax, gas tax, capital gains tax... Irs wants to fuck my butt if I make $601 from picking up garbage furniture, cleaning, and then selling it. I can't even squeak out a fart without twenty different bureaucrats holding their hand out looking for another payday. Somehow I have to buy a $100 glittery sticker every year and put it on my license plate or the cops will pull me over, potentially kill me, and then write a $200 ticket.
Taxes should be optional. At least for me. Let people who vote to increase taxes bear 100% of the tax burden. It's unfair to tax people against their will. More than that, it is theft plain and simple.

>>81719645
i swear on my life just fucking tax people a flat 2% and fuck off. cant do it? looks like we need to cut some things

OH YEAH AND NO FUCKING CAPITAL GAINS TAX ON PRECIOUS METALS YOU GOD DAMN COCKSUCKERS

wwhat the fuck is this thread??

>>81719696
just some rude discord tranny riding my dick
ignore him

>>81719696
just standard rightoid slop

>>81719753
meaningless comment
economics isnt right or left. its either true or false

>>81718980
But what are humans really entitled to?

>>81719849
i really recommend reading the paper for yourself. its really interesting stuff

frank van dunn- human dignety, reason or desire. its on the mises institute website