What can be done about the male loneliness epidemic?

>>81721449 (OP)
Does anyone actually want anything to be done about it? I think it's just something for men to complain about.

Befriend them
Whenever I meet someone who has late virgin vibes, I invite them to hang out somewhere
I try to be the Chad friend they never had

>>81721449 (OP)
Man up. Feeling "lonely" is for pussies. Bottle that shit up and quit being a little bitch. Get back to work. If you have time to cry about how lonely you are, sounds like you have time for a second job.

>>81721449 (OP)
Just wait, the dark energy growing within these isolated men will soon bloom like so many mushrooms erupting from the fetid woodwork.

>>81721449 (OP)
>What can be done about the male loneliness epidemic?
Speaking up about it has already proven useless, women and therapists just blame you for not "self improving" (whatever the fuck that means), while willingly ignoring the fact that women don't need to do anything to receive everything.

Maybe men can organize, and as a class of society, demand representation.

Every country has a minister for women and girls? We demand a minister for men and boys, and to launch a public inquity into the damages caused by DEI initiatives.

Think about it. Why are women entitled to being approached, entertained, wined and dined, proposed to, if women are, as they say, equal to men? If women are out earning men thanks to DEI and Jew daycare, why aren't men entitled to nice things?

>>81721619
You could always go out and make friends with other men, I don't think there's anything actually stopping you.

>>81721610
>>81721636
>Straight men who want a gf should simply befriend other men, hold their hand, cuddle them, and kiss them
This is what you sound like, because we who honestly engage in this topic are obviously talking about ROMANTIC loneliness, not friendship.

But you already know that and are being intentionally obtuse

>>81721668
No I'm fairly sure that male loneliness epidemic refers to the fact that young men either have no friends or very shallow friendship.
tfwnogf is something secondary and honestly something that men having no real friends doesn't really have a bearing on. Chad doesn't necessarily have any friends either!

>>81721689
I'm fairly sure you're an idiot. Pipe down and let the adults talk you silly little foid.

>>81721668
Obviously it's about building a social circle, not fucking your male friends

>>81721689
>I'm fairly sure that it's friendship
And I'm certain that it isn't
You are not a man who suffers from uniquely male needs.

inb4
>I am a man!
Sure.

>>81721619
>Maybe men can organize, and as a class of society, demand representation.
This has also been tried (Men's Rights Movement) and proven useless, which is why MGTOW split-off from MRM in the early 2000s.

>>81721735
I'm actually just a man who doesn't have any friends.
Finding a gf was easier for me than making and keeping friendships going. I'm really lazy when it comes to making plans and I also can't really relate to other men my age. I know what my problem is.

>>81721619
Based.
Most importantly support the foreign opponents of Western governments. It's only the West that pushes this insane feminist and women's rights shit to make men's lives miserable. No one else gives a fuck.
Back in the day women and leftoids threatened to support the Soviet Union and Communism unless the cuck politicians caved in and gave them their rights. Now it's men's turn.

electric butt plugs strapped in the ass

>>81721736
>MGTOW
Those guys won so fucking hard and no one even realized it, women kept mocking them as a spiteful group who who'd want to "take their ball home", but actually it was about admitting defeat and giving up.

They had maintained some presence to keep the attention, but the rest of them scattered, embedded themselves into communities and re-branded as the pill ideology and after these communities had enough discussions about female nature and were more receptive, they pushed HARD on the blackpill(which is the bread and butter of the original MGTOW ideology) and now everyone kinda agrees with them. They had the truth on their side which made it all effortless but it was also smart to not double down and keep waving the flag of a movement that was being ridiculed.

Almost every man under 60 now sees the world through the lens of their observations and conclusions. Everyone just sort of gave up. Everyone knows how women are, how they don't really like men and how superficial and fickle the male-female dynamic truly is.

>>81721858
you are delusional if you think that.

>>81721858
That's great and everything, but how do you actually use that to your advantage? It sounds like everyone's just more cynical and miserable. You've spotted the issue but I don't think you have any actionable solutions.

>>81721617
What ever you say Shekelstein.

>>81721916
>use
Use? It's not a solution-oriented ideology and it's not a movement. There's no "use", there is only acceptance. What you're proposing is impossible because male disposability is hardwired into the human genome as more than just the logistics of reproduction, it's a set of feelings. You can't change people's feelings, words are completely powerless compared to what we actually feel.
What, you're going to tell people to "please care about men"? Are you for fucking real?

Nobody likes men, nobody cares about men and no one will do anything for the benefit of men. Nobody, not men and especially not women. A portion of men will only act for the male "in-group" to the extent of their own benefit, while another portion of men and all women will actively sabotage it.
Men will never be desired, they are only ever tolerated in exchange for what utility they can provide.
That's how it's going to be and neither you, the government or anyone else can change that.

>>81721970
>>81721936
whoops, clicked the wrong reply

As for the other, guy: It absolutely doesn't matter what you think, if this phenomenon and zeitgeist wasn't built purely on observations of the reality we live in then it would all cease to exist within a day. Denying it won't do anything because it is reinforced by everyday life. It's locked in.

>>81721449 (OP)
>What can be done a
By whom?
Who is in charge and what are their goals?

>>81721936
NTA, but it's more like choosing between deluding yourself and being miserable or knowing just exactly what's going on and being miserable.
There is no winning. There is no viable solution. Society will implode without a bang while it is politically overtaken by foreign entities.

>>81721449 (OP)
Join CPB or ICE. Band of brothers on a high-speed mission, travel the country doing raids, get paid and pennies. Should be a fun 3-4 years.

1: women should be nicer
2: there is no two. Women are impossible, and no one knows what they want anymore, and society is falling apart because of this

>>81721449 (OP)
It's the fault of the people as much as society. "People" these days can't wait to stab you in the back and can barely stand talking to you unless you have something they can take. I thought there was something wrong with me for awhile and I certainly have my own issues. But holy fuck dude. There's only so much you can do when people act like such faggots.

>>81721449 (OP)
Easy. If men actually wanted to hang out with and befriend other men it would help. But for some reason some fags are so delusional and horny that the second they find out theyre speaking with another guy, instead of trying to make a friend they lose interest because theyre only hunting for pussy. Its self inflicted.

Try chatting in any random chat like omegle clones and youll see it in action. Go to any mixed chats and youll obviously see the orbiters forming a solar system before your eyes if a single girl shows up.

>>81721449 (OP)
Assisted suicide.

Being a true man is all about success and being better than others (hoarding women and resources as results), so by definition, we can't be 50% of the population.
Just let us, the failed attempts, be free and give us an easy way out (free and without pain). Then you all women can just chase Chad and without being bothered by men you only feel hate and disgust at, just let go of the modern slave labour of lower men.

>>81722048
It's actually very simple: women are large children.
They should not be given the responsibility of adults, nor should they be given the freedom of adults.

>>81722131
>just let go of the modern slave labour of lower men.
That's the foundation of any society. Extracting effort from unwanted males. There's absolutely no chance they'll concede, it's a principle at this point. You can give up, you can rot, you can find a way to leech off the system and ultimately they might even suffer for it, but they will never concede anything. They will die before they throw you a bone.

>>81722143
>women are large children.
You fucking simp, I'm so happy that cunt lapping wignats like you can't do a damned thing about women's rights. They'll be fed to savage shitskins right in front of your eyes.

>>81722249
I don't know what you hallucinated I said, but maybe take your pills and reread my post.

>>81722277
I can read just fine, you're one of those tradcucks who want to save women from themselves.

>>81722291
Again, take your pills. You seem to have forgotten to take them.

>>81722296
kek, you're not even a tradcuck, you're a fucking woman. Get into the jeet pit immediately.

>>81721617
>Man up. Feeling "lonely" is for pussies. Bottle that shit up and quit being a little bitch. Get back to work. If you have time to cry about how lonely you are, sounds you have time for a second job.

>>81721449 (OP)
>shut down social media.
>shut down dating sites.
>bring back 3rd spaces like malls
Basically that. The rise in inceldom rates is entirely caused by women having too many options. I'm not saying things were easy before but they sure as hell were easier than they are now. And by shutting down that crap, we might also reverse the collective dumbing down of the population that's been going on for over 15yrs now.

>>81722357
>we might also reverse the collective dumbing down of the population that's been going on for over 15yrs now.
Wait, why would we want to reverse that? Corporate profits have never been higher and social adherence to governmental guidance has never been better!

>>81722357
Malls are still around and open genius I go to the one near my house all the time and see young beautiful girls (and big tit milfs)
Try going outside to touch some grass once in awhile

>>81722401
He said LIKE malls, you reading comprehension-lacking retard.

>>81722357
no one will do shit and you know it

>>81722357
>the only way to create a space where men can thrive is to severely limit and inhibit women
KEK you cannot make this up, you moids are just outright admitting now that you're worthless and women would only choose you if they had no other choice. Sad sad sad sad sad SAD.

>>81722371
>>81722425
Sadly, yes. Billionaires are the ones in control and nothing will be done.
>>81722401
Yes, I know they are still around but it's no longer socially acceptable to start conversations with strangers in public spaces. Sure, you can go to the mall but unless you're some GigaChad, you're not going to have a good time trying to talk to random women.

>>81722463
>>81722412
I see random people meeting up and having conversations all the time, yesterday I saw a guy approach a woman and she politely said that she was married and the man went about his way, all parties were civil.
I see younger crowd talking to each other all the time, and occasionally I talk with strangers because it is POLITE in civil society.
I have a gf though so I am not going to the mall looking to fuck, but it is a good option

>>81722457
It's more like we know you foids are mentally unstable and can't be trusted to be loyal. In the past, you were somewhat more loyal because you didn't have so many choices and opportunities to fuck other men. And you weren't constantly shown Chads within your city, so your idea of an accomplished, good-looking dude wasn't limited to the top 20% of men.
Nowadays, the top 20% of men fuck way more than the bottom 80% while the most average or even ugly women have no trouble finding men who look better and earn more than them. To be a femcel, you literally have to be socially retarded and never leave your home. To be an incel, it's enough to not drive or still be living with your parents. It's all fucked up. The standards for men are much higher than they are for women.

>>81722493
How old are you? No, wait, no need to tell me.
You exclaiming that something is the norm because you saw it a single time tells me enough.

>>81722509
I am 32 soon to be 33. Wisdom like I have attained is not something your iPad generation cannot get from a yt video unfortunately

>>81722535
>your iPad generation
You are 40 years at the minimum lmao

>>81722543
why would I lie about my age? Sorry I used an actual pen and paper in school they call you kids iPad generation because that is what you are.
I am 33 soon and doing pretty awesome in life, no complaints about society at present

>>81722570
>Sorry I used an actual pen and paper in school
omg old

>>81721610
Ive tried doing this, even teaching them basic fitness, fashion shit and teaching them how to talk to women to get pussy, they just end up resenting you. Do not act like a father to other people, just give them a warning and let them rot when they dont listen
>t. 5'7" chad

>>81721449 (OP)
Stop thinking about it. I have a job, I exercise, play video games, watch cartoons and chill.

>>81723235
And if that doesn't work, there's always alcohol and drugs.

The only solution will come when the population falls by 50%, thus making it harder for women to survive making them go back to men to take care of them. Right now, Women have survival too easy.

>>81723205
>omg old
Shut up faggot there is a solid chance that you dont know how to write in cursive why are you trying to backpedal after accusing me of being 40? You are the iPad generation so own it

>>81721449 (OP)
nothing, grit your teeth and bear it. one person cannot change mass thought. you are weird, you don't fit in, every attempt you have to be part of whatever local group will always end in either you alienating yourself from them or them from you. it's literally nature working itself out. even communicating with people of your same attitude and experiences is dreadful and self destructive. continue to try and vent these frustrations through whatever medium you want as long as it doesn't hurt other people. nobody is coming to save us, no monolithic figure is going to fight for any change that will sway how we interact with general society. eat well, read well, live the best you can. this is the filter doing it's job.

>>81721617
you're a stupid jewish faggot who should kill himself NOW

>>81721449 (OP)
Nothing, you niggas only want sex. After highschool, unless you grew up with a nigga, its near impossible to make friends and even ones you know may not fw u anymore. So fuck them, I like my own company, most people equal shit. Men are lonely but they're evil when they have a bitch. Most niggaz beat they kids and they wife but don't have the balls to beat they boss as they slave from check to check. I rep that antinatalist, misanthropic, loner shit all day. Fuck the world.

>>81723229
probably because the shit you said didn't help, and what people really want is for you to introduce them to the women you already know.

>>81721970
> A portion of men will only act for the male "in-group" to the extent of their own benefit
And thats all that is needed, men living by themselves and pursuing their own benefit, all that truly exists in reality is mens egoism and the greed of collective hive (the enemy), it is with men like that, that the new world will be built, the women and the simps are just what is in the way. What were you expecting a collectivism that works because men accept it, men will never be accepted by the social hive mind and not men individual mind should ever accept the minions of basedciety.

Haven't had a single friend in years, last week my childhood bestfriend hit me up out of the blue. After chatting a bit I told him we should hang out last weekend. He said he'd let me know. No contact since.. feelsbadman. This is why I gave up a while ago.

>>81724553
>He said he'd let me know.
Sorry for laughing, but holy shit anon. This is like the most blatant normalfag "I don't want to hang out with you" message ever.

>>81721449 (OP)

Male loneliness epidemic is a psyop calling out the symptom instead of the disease.

Nothing can be done when the cause is not even addressed. If you are not completely depressed and suicidal by modern life, you are mentally ill or part of a very tiny minority (5%) with exceptional genetics. Or maybe a poorfag who doesn't realize how empty modern world is, in which case your kids or grandkids will suffer from it.

>>81721449 (OP)
>What can be done about the male loneliness epidemic?
get a dog and a horse

>>81722023
is the cure to male loneliness a high-speed counter terrorism unit/private military company?

>>81721668
you do realize that having a circle of friends is attractive to women because its an easy social proof for her that your not a weirdo looser which naturally leads to romatic relationships with women in these friend circles?
no youre too busy being a virgin looser overthinking how having male friends is gay or something

>>81724677
No one ever gave a shit about men in the past either. Male disposability and gynocentrism is genetic.

>>81725124
NTA, but it's a good thing that people in this modern day and age tend to have lots of friends then, isn't it?
Oh wait. They don't. Awkward!

>>81721449 (OP)
The epidemic is at firsthand caused by males themselves. Unless men become kinder to each other, and we allow each other to show emotions and empathy, things will be stuck like this forever.

>>81725224
>>81725124
>blah blah blah
women on dating apps have their standards way too high, and that's the problem.

My friend count is not a factor in that problem. I have had friend groups for nearly 30 years.

>>81721449 (OP)
Nothing. Society caused the problem. They can deal with the consequences. I love being alone. Other people are too retarded and drain my soul every time I have to be around them. Women don't matter after they are 30. They can all die lonely cat ladies and that'll make me happy being part of the problem. What are you going to do? Ask me out? LMAO I don't even go outside.

>>81723229
I'm autistic and not too bad at socializing because I actually put in the work. Feels like normies know how shit works innately and I don't so it's something I have to learn and practice like any other subject. I feel like I'm so fucking shit with women mostly because I don't really have any flirting experience. Don't know what to do or even how to get to a point where I'm able to flirt with a woman. I would really fucking love to have an older guy teach me the ropes, like this would be genuinely life changing for me if a guy did this to me irl. Once I see an example of what I'm suppose to do it becomes very easy for me. This is something that also really bothers me, feel like once I get my first gf dating will become way easier because nowadays it feels impossible for me to get a gf

>>81725835
this is the lack of an actual father btw. no one will ever go through and step by step run with you a blueprint. this is stuff you pick up from being around male figures in your developmental years, you watch how these men interact with the women in your family or in their own and replicate it with your own personality. a lack of this figure leaves too much up to chance.

>>81725880
As someone who hits many, but not all signs of autism and experiencing the same thing as that anon, I think you might be completely right.
My father is both heavily autistic and was never really present in my life, so I never had a proper father figure teaching me how things worked.

>>81725880
I have a present father and one I have a good relation with and I dont really see him interacting with women other than my mom ever

>>81725880
Are you sure because black people aren't ok obviously from their lack of fathers, but they're not autistic and they talk to women fine

>>81725935
Black people are low-iq because of their genetics and culture.
Low-iq people don't really think, they just do.

>>81721449 (OP)
it's a loneliness epidemic, everyone is lonely. You can't do anything about it

>>81721449 (OP)
Mass import young females from third world

>>81721617
Loneliness impacts your health, it's fair to address it especially given this wasn't a problem 40 years ago.

>>81721668
it has literally nothing to do with romantic loneliness.

if you ask most of the lonely men on here what they would do with a girl beyond the sex stuff, they often admit they have nothing relatable or in common with the girls in their own communities. they have no clue how to start or maintain a romantic relationship or what interests a typical boyfriend has in a heterosexual relationship. you are a fucking retard on purpose.

most of the "male loneliness" cuckoldry is firstly a problem of sedentary lifestyles and the value of hedonism above other values (including intimacy). you escape reality because of the discomfort of growing up and facing fears and adapting to the community around you, and then you only see your own situation that you created as a problem because loneliness also makes you uncomfortable.

there is an argument for why community leaders and father figures are a thing, and should be a thing to keep young men in line and to give them opportunities and guidance. but there's no argument for helping already corrupted adult men who say they want a "girlfriend" but they only know about sex and "cuddle" and "kiss" but refuse to have anything to do with women or socializing. you made your choice already.

>>81721449 (OP)
Nothing. Everything is in the power of the people above us and they'll grind this world into dust, one where their precious money won't mean anything anymore.
I will live an honest life and die an honest man, that doesn't need love at least.

>>81726348
>it has literally nothing to do with romantic loneliness.
It has everything to do with romantic loneliness, you retard.
When men say they're lonely, nine out of ten times it's romantic loneliness they're talking about.

>but refuse to have anything to do with women or socializing.
Geez, I wonder why this is. Is it because they're evil incels? Or maybe it's because women have no fucking hobbies besides social media, make-up and going on vacay?

>>81726671
They aren't talking about romantic loneliness. They have no concept of or interest in romance.

>hobbies
boomer terminology but you literally only have two options if you are specifically talking about men who want a romantic relationship

1. be attracted to women and spend time with women as a base part of your lifestyle to build a romantic relationship
2. be attracted to men and spend time with men to build a romantic relationship

loneliness is an entirely separate conversation.

>>81726738
>They aren't talking about romantic loneliness. They have no concept of or interest in romance.
Well, I'm glad you seem to know what other people think. I personally am not capable of reading minds.

>>81726746
I wasn't talking about what they think. Male loneliness is, strangely enough, about males experiencing loneliness. And when you talk to the ones who experience loneliness, they generally talk about the experience of loneliness specifically.

Some retarded anon earlier in this thread was implying that male loneliness is actshually about some other tangentially related thing with cuddles and sex and meaningless pornbrained shit. Plenty of lonely men have sex so it's irrelevant.

i am so lonely that i sometimes forget i even exist
wouldn't (you) forget me too?

>>81725205
you retards obsessing over pussy is another form of mistaking symptom for cause. self sabotaging even.

>>81721449 (OP)
Nothing, the jews/wicked win a long time ago. It's over. All that remains is to survive somehow before the final sigh, try to enjoy things before it's too late. Goodbye, warrior.

For me it's over, I could never again love a woman after understanding female nature.

>>81722131
>just let go of the modern slave labour
why do you think they would grant us this
their lives (women and chads') are upheld by this labor

>>81726792
this is by design. they're intentionally vague, calling it "male loneliness" so that people inevitably start talking about different things, which you can then point out as contradictory or predatory

there's gf havers ITT who complain about loneliness? you fucking niggers

convince the populace to embrace whore-shaming again, the problem is throughout most of human history women that slept around were generally looked down upon whereas now its seen as empowering to sell videos of getting railed in the asshole on your onlyfans

now you have a large majority of girls who should be finding someone to have a serious relationship with in their early 20s/late teens instead just sleeping around with whoever they find the hottest or richest and "settling" for an average man that gives them affection and stability when they're in their 30s while being unhappy because he doesn't have a 6 pack and 10 inch dick like the frat boys they slept with in college which also has lead to much higher divorce rates

>>81727617
I think the "abundance" mentality is a hardwired limitation on humanity. Once you reach this level of prosperity, you can discard all the inconvenient previously held values and beliefs that were responsible for getting you here, or sustaining it. human lifespans are too short to seriously put weight in long term effects that aren't immediately visible or felt. prob won't change until real pain is felt and it will be sudden and explosive when it does happen

>>81721617
Kill yourself fucking kike

>>81721449 (OP)
take the doll wife pill

>>81721619
This. The problem isn't men. The problem is women. Don't let simps and foids gaslight you. It only keeps their gravy train going and keeps you as a man backed up in the corner and on the defensive.
>>81721858
When MGTOW became active, what they were saying was ahead of their time. Normies though what they were saying was too radical. But now, even normies understand what they were saying. Women have become so blatantly awful that you'd legitimately have to have your head buried in the sand to still deny it. Modern women are garbage and most men can't deny it anymore. It's no longer a movement and more of a default now.

>>81721449 (OP)
Dissolution of greater purpose, community, a sense of belonging to something greater. A lack of comradery and common destiny. All of these things have been done deliberately to destroy people. To deracinate, atomize, to instill feelings of alienation and despair, loneliness.

>>81721449 (OP)
>What can be done about the male loneliness epidemic?
nothing, I have found peace while been alone. Everyone around me or you has stopped caring. The question is why bother?

>>81726792
And the stats that are cited are how most men are single, never approached a woman, are virgins, etc
>It's about muh friends ;_;
Making friends isn't the problem. Men aren't the problem. The problem is women. That's the whole point. The problem is women. Male loneliness is another casualty of that. Even now foids can't stop gaslighting. Foids are mentally sick. They are unable to take accountability or responsibility whatsoever. They can't own up to anything, can't be constructive, and can't be supportive. Foids are weak, both physically and in character and personality. Weak. Very weak, yet incredibly destructive creatures.

>>81721449 (OP)
Just get a dog, or a cat, or something. All the lonely people I see have dogs or cats. They won't betray you like people will.

This thread is incredibly gay.

The only thing men can do, and should do, is simply take back power and make women do whatever they want once power has been reclaimed.

Imagine being so feminine you think you need to fight to be "heard' or some fruity shit. Lmao.

>>81721449 (OP)
be a man, thats it, a man is lonely since he was born, deprived from emotion and romance, be a man, embrace being a man, dont listen to women bullshit or media bullshit, stand strong

>>81729027

The male loneliness epidemic will inevitably morph into the cat lady crisis where marriage and birth rates collapse. The people that mock and berate people for talking about it are just too stupid to think out the next few steps.

>>81721916
Even reddit with rabid feminist moderatuon openly drops nuclear blackpills these days
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMenAdvice/comments/1lizf5h/why_do_you_think_men_are_not_attending_dating/

>>81721936
there isn't a solution on a societal level. on a personal level there is. find a niche, find an anchor of some sort for your life, a community to call your own. try to be successful in whatever it is you do, and protect your freedom and your peace as best you can once you have it. even if society crumbles there's nothing anyone can do about it. we're too atomized, too divided. any attempt at large scale change will be infiltrated, corrupted, and killed as soon as it picks up a little steam. all that anyone can do is ride it out

I dont know, you know?

>>81728935
>Women have become
They are the same as they have always been. Nothing changed except for people coming to terms with it.

everybody on this shithole planet needs to reassess their values

>>81729027
patriarchal revivals never last, women always escape captivity. Men did not evolve to deal with them.

>>81730266
all it takes is one simp in the wrong place at the wrong time and it's over

>>81730319
Men as a collective are simps, they can only keep up the charade for so long. The "captivity" the so-called patriarchy, which in reality is just the ultimate manifestation of female worship, going as far as to protect women from themselves and the consequences of their actions, never lasts, because they can not, for a prolonged time period resists women's pleas, nagging and demands. They just give in, no matter what. Even muslims concede the "patriarchy" to women day by day. The Taliban will, too.

If you truly want a bad outcome for women, the only option is giving up on life and letting them eat through everything like termites. The goal is to prevent another patriarchal revival and leave them stuck at the late stage of a cycle indefinitely.

>>81721449 (OP)
>epidemic
it doesn't seem to affect good looking and successful men tho

>>81721610
dont do that, im the chad or were atleast equals.

>>81726738
>>81726348
>>81725124
All of this is complete nonsense. You can spend all the time hanging out with random guys that you want, your chances of getting dates and eventually a girlfriend are basically the same regardless.

>>81721668
Nah, even male friendship can go a long way. It still sucks to not have a gf, but having bros to hang out with makes life a bit more bearable.

>>81721449 (OP)
Nothing because relationships are economical and economy is growing inequality and inequality is a natural law.

>>81726348
>if you ask most of the lonely men on here what they would do with a girl beyond the sex stuff, they often admit they have nothing relatable or in common with the girls in their own communities. they have no clue how to start or maintain a romantic relationship or what interests a typical boyfriend has in a heterosexual relationship. you are a fucking retard on purpose.
That's catch 22. How would people who had no romantic experience know what to do in romantic relationship?
That is point that that Gilmartin emphasized in his Shyness & Love: Causes, Consequences, and Treatment book. People start their romantic life early and build romantic life using prior experience. Love shy men (incels) don't have experience, with time they only fall behind more, expectations of experience grow up but love shy men stay in same zero level place.

>>81721449 (OP)
Nothing. I'm not trying to meme in the slightest here, but it's over. The only people that give a shit about this are the aforementioned lonely guys, obviously. Or the boomers who see that the cogs aren't turning as well as they want them to.
No one has any real tangible solutions to offer up either. You just face ostracization if you try to reach out. Because contrary to what some might say about just talking to people being the fix, no one actually wants to be around the loner types.
So what are we left with after that? Rely on big daddy government? Lmao.

>>81730836
>The only people that give a shit about this are the aforementioned lonely guys
>no one actually wants to be around the loner types.
Nigger. Most young men are single. Women are so out-of-touch with reality they don't even see how bad the situation is.

>>81728973
The problem is that some men choose to spend time alone, and then they regret it later.

>>81730585
>the chances of some 5 year old with zero education getting a high paying engineering job is the same as someone who is already an engineer.
you are brain retarded. getting a girlfriend is just a natural part of life for any guy. if you learned how to feed yourself, your chances are already determined. it's just a matter of how much time you're willing to spend and what kind of community you are a part of.

>>81726348
Ok good luck providing "guidance" lmao.
The reason men got here is theres no reason for our existance. Theres no guidance to give to someone who is simply not needed by anyone. Men want to do masculine stuff. There simply isnt any. What little there is is either crowded out or not rewarding. You self absorbed faggots who think youre special or have somw profound i sight on how to solve this are deluded. Youre probably a fucking bigger loser than me desu, just completely lacking in self awareness.

>>81732792
>men want to do masculine stuff
>actually they can't think of anything masculing
>actually they want to be rewarded
>also anyone who doesn't see himself as a lonely pathetic piece of shit loser is actually an even bigger loser
>trust me bro

performative babbys first existential crisis slop aside, this lame shit about being "lonely" or an outcast or even unloved is a story as old as civilization has had written language, and the causes and solutions have not changed.

>>81732827
NTA, but you're retarded. I could have made an entire 2000 character post telling you why, but you wouldn't even consider anything written within so I'm not even going to bother.

>>81732864
No amount of consideration is going to help you deflect from the fact that this thread is about lonely men who can easily solve their problem.

>>81732874
>who can easily solve their problem.
and how is that? "go outside" when relating to normies is next to impossible?

>>81732874
>who can easily solve their problem.
Please do go on. What is your proposed solution for at least 30% of the male population?

>>81732929
Going to war unironically. We can do without bottom tier males

>>81732928
>and how is that
go outside.

>>81732929
for the experience of loneliness? i think there's a clue in your own post. this could branch out into a million different unique situations and valid arguments, but this base level teen angst, social identity and ability to fit in bullshit is not complicated at all. most commonly, unless you're building that expectation of yourself consciously and affirming in the direction of being the lonely outcast to be like those "muh 30%", these guys just struggle with taking the first steps toward socializing because it is uncomfortable and there is some mismatch/conflict between them and the people they could immediately interact with. they could literally just "bee urself" and change the environment they are in to take more gradual steps with people like them, or they could "le fake it till you make it" until the emotions reset. hedonic adaptation is peak based at the level of "wah im lonely and unloved XD", but yes there could be underlying circumstances that are unsolvable or more interesting.

>>81732996
>for the experience of loneliness? i think there's a clue in your own post. this could branch out into a million different unique situations and valid arguments, but this base level teen angst, social identity and ability to fit in bullshit is not complicated at all. most commonly, unless you're building that expectation of yourself consciously and affirming in the direction of being the lonely outcast to be like those "muh 30%", these guys just struggle with taking the first steps toward socializing because it is uncomfortable and there is some mismatch/conflict between them and the people they could immediately interact with. they could literally just "bee urself" and change the environment they are in to take more gradual steps with people like them, or they could "le fake it till you make it" until the emotions reset. hedonic adaptation is peak based at the level of "wah im lonely and unloved XD", but yes there could be underlying circumstances that are unsolvable or more interesting.
So, no. You do not have any solutions.

>>81733018
>so no, there is no problem
based.

>>81721449 (OP)
Honest to god the solutions are slim, so slim that im gonna fucking recommend Vrchat

>>81733126
Is that still alive?

>>81733160
I wish it wasn't, it's infested with autists to the point where you basically have to use a furry avatar to interact with most people

>>81732561
This might be the most retarded post that has ever been made on 4chan. Good job, retard.

>>81732561
>getting a girlfriend is just a natural part of life for any guy
Two decades ago*
>if you learned how to feed yourself, your chances are already determined.
As in, none?
>it's just a matter of how much time you're willing to spend
How many decades are we talking about? Because I tried for a good five years before giving up entirely.
>and what kind of community you are a part of.
Communities no longer exist for most people.

It's crazy how all we get is just more and more gynocentric babble.

>>81729624

Very interesting thread. Men are laying out exactly why they don't attend dating events and they still get completely ignored and we get a flood of MSM articles asking where all the men went. It's all out there for them to read and understand but they choose not to, because it would get in the way of women's hypergamy drive.

>>81734251
>Two decades ago
i see people getting into relationships literally right now.
>as in, none?
only if you don't want a relationship
>I tried
meaningless phrase. you develop relationships over time at your own pace.
>Communities no longer exist
that's like saying food no longer exists. and yet i just saw a fat guy eating.