Thread 81728504

What caused you to lose your faith, assuming you ever had it?

>>81728504 (OP)

God is evil by His own standards. I don't know how I ever took seriously the idea that this world was created by a good creator. Christians and other religious folk just handwave it away with mocking sentiments like:

>if God exist, why bad thing happen, hurr durr

It's not something to be lightly dismissed. God's treatment of His most loyal, Job, and of Japhtheh as seen here feels deeply immoral.

>>81728583
I just accept that God is evil
t. Calvinist

i actually read the bible and i was like im not following this shit lmao

>>81728504 (OP)
this world is too fucked up for me to believe their is a cosmic sky daddy looking out for us?

but then I feel like I am being protected? but then I feel like I am definitely just protecting myself

XD

its very back n forth for me I guess

>>81728504 (OP)
>Iranian flag
>"bible bros"
Shia muslims are duplicitous yes we know
fuck off

>>81728504 (OP)
I was never religious, my parents barely went to church.
Obviously religion is fucking stupid and is causing a lot of problems.

>>81728504 (OP)
When you grow up you stop believing in fairy tales. There was no great epiphany or realization, I never even noticed the transition.

>>81728641

How do you worship a being that, by your own omission, you consider to be evil?

>>81728504 (OP)
I used to do the agnostic-coping thing when I was young because I bought the "you can't REALLY know" Carl Sagan reddit-esque argument that was popular back in the 2000s.
But I'm human and subject to peer pressure, so it wasn't until I heard it from a respected elder in a matter of fact down the Earth no bullshit way like that when it finally registered as a fully resolved question to me.
But then while I was working at my university's library I was having a conversation with this based elderly guy who was the head of the library. And I said something like "if there is a God, then..." and he responded by looking at me like I was an idiot and saying "there is no God."
That moment made me realize I was being kind of retarded for even entertaining it as a possibility. He didn't try to persuade me his point of view was right and the whole idea of anyone having a debate about that topic to begin with seemed stupid in retrospect since it's just a really silly fairy tale.

>>81728504 (OP)
>What caused you to lose your faith
Having horrible things happen constantly when I made the right decisions. Being betrayed by everyone I got close to. Having someone I love kill themselves. Being ostracized or taken advantage of my entire life due to disability.

>>81728740
Somehow my last paragraph ended up as my second paragraph there. But I think you can probably make out the story still.

eternal torture doesnt sound fair

uhhh... i guess the fact i have to appear rather than be

>>81728504 (OP)
used to be orthodox christian, as a child i saw some atheist arguments against the bible and none of the christian counter arguments were good enough so i just switched to atheism
mostly moral arguments based on the book of job, and scientific ones like evolution/big bang.
i noticed god simply wasnt real and i couldnt see his existence, i tried to pray to him to reveal himself but still nothing, last time i prayed was when i was around 10 years old, i asked him to show his existence, and nothing.

>>81728671
>>Iranian flag
Are you stupid

>>81728504 (OP)
Despite going to the mosque and rites and the religious lessons and spending hours on end in mosques as a kid and in my mid teens, i never held any faith at any point in my life
I was never convinced about any religion and treated them all like cultural folkloric manifestations that people bond over and nothing more, still i find comfort in religion
I just never lost it or went through a transition of hardcore muslim to atheist, i just had up and downs of questioning if it's worth it to dedicate big parts of my life to it or not

nobody around me practiced what they preached + my prayers stayed forever unanswered.

it's depressing as fuck because i was ~13 years old when i lost faith. it wasn't even any sort of "reddit atheist" phase. i've been agnostic since then. i wanted to believe. and i still do. i get very sad when i think about it and what it could bring me. i wish i could just force myself to believe.

>>81729013
you are right i was mistaken
my contrition

The bride of christ thing made me lose faith

>>81728504 (OP)
You get to a certain point where you know you are destined for hell, so you just kinda give up. I committed too many sins now for a spot in heaven. I just hope my family makes it.

>>81729226

that's not biblical. paul was a murderer and still got in.

>>81728727
It's like it's all just one big fucked up painting
I'll just take reality for what it is, in the hope that it's worth something in the end, being hopeless doesn't make the patent evil in the world go away

>>81729259
C-can I still get in even if I have intrusive thoughts denouncing the holy spirit? I searched the internet about this and found the term scrupulosity. Is there still hope for me?

>>81729055
oh shit. i should mention i did have good experiences going to church, though. i really did feel like i was apart of something. it was very fun. there was this weird military-style shit we did. i continued going even after i lost faith and then stopped completely around the time i turned 16.

>>81729169
What you don't wanna be a sissy for Jesus??

>>81728964
But everyone is converting to based trad Eastern Orthodoxy online these days how could you abandon it??

>>81728504 (OP)
for me it was the fact that im so unhappy compared to so called "worldly people" I wish I was worldly
wow im a friendless virgin so fucking what
what was it all for?

>>81728504 (OP)
I never lost faith in god existence.

>>81729410
you're suppose to cope by saying that the world is gonna end soon and you'll be in heaven while they'll all be in hell

>>81729319
jesus already paid for your ticket, all you have to do is take it

>>81729559
An oversimplification that is nearly a lie. "take it" has implications
To "take" this already paid for ticket, you must worship him, believe in him with all your heart, and dedicate your life to his service, to be like him. You must divest yourself of everything that makes you unique, and become hollow, than fill yourself up with Jesus' doctrine instead.
There is a price to pay after all. With abrahamic religions, they say one thing but mean another. Nothing is at it seems.

>>81729391
lol its just retards latching onto whatever is exotic without knowing how shit it actually is
i used to go to a church with my family members as a child, standard procedure was to walk through the church stopping to pray to each painting of saints/jesus and mary, and there was the picture of a saint in the center of the church where you go up to it, pray and then kiss the saint's picture, i always thought it was unhygienic but little me still did it due to not knowing better, now i have hsv-1

>>81729588
you dont need to do any of that, not even worship jesus, i certainly dont, go to church or dont, pray or dont, be a cunt or be nice, it matters not, only that you make a good faith effort not to sin and be an ok person

>>81728504 (OP)
pic, to a certain extent.
I had questions no one could answer. They'd say
>"It's an open-forum! Questions are welcome!"
but when I ask I'd get taken aside and told not to question.

After the advent of the internet I found that not even the 10,000 teachers online could answer my questions convincingly. They'd get stumped, say things like
>"It's not something we're meant to know"
>"God is beyond our understanding"...

>>81729090
Either way, Muslims theology pretty closely follows most of the Old Testament and much of the New Testament. It would be disadvantageous for any sort of Muslim to point these things out.

>>81728504 (OP)
Every Christian I've ever met was a self-righteous dick, amd every Catholic I've ever met was a degenerate pervert.

>>81729729
Yeah that sounds pretty accurate.

>>81729681
>only that you make a good faith effort
Not even going to enter the merits of your opinion being theologically sound with the teachings of the bible (it isn't), just focusing on that sentence alone
>good faith effort not to sin
It entails everything I said. Self abnegation. Subduing your will to the doctrine and living by it.
You won't call it "worship" but it is indistinguishable from it, your belief system is known for using worlds with duplicitous intend. "good faith" is entirely arbitrary.

>>81728504 (OP)
The Bible was written by the sleazy jews. They're infamous throughout all history for being Pinocchio-tier liars (nose and all) who cannot be believed on anything. The truth cannot come from them.