I have yet to hear a good argument against incest.

>>81728842 (OP)
Hot in fiction, gross in practice.

>>81728842 (OP)
Loving sex with Ashley...

>>81728842 (OP)

There's nothing wrong with it in the age of condoms and birth control. It's just that normies stigmatize everything not "cool" in order to create a framework in which social competition, ostracization, and other interactions can occur where everyone slots in where they "belong". The only genuine rational and moral argument against incest is the inbred children argument but normies never appeal to this, but, rather, their own sense of disgust towards incest.

>>81728842 (OP)
I have yet to meet someone who likes incest that actually has siblings.

>>81728884
Me but no way in hell im initiating anything especially considering our age difference

>>81728842 (OP)
>"You may have these """facts"""" anon. You may have these """"sources"""" you may have this "technology" to easily research things, but I have a picture of an anime girl! One that isn't even that hot or desirable! I guess I win this argument!"

Why is Ashley even liked? She's evil and she's kinda mid and she's smug. There are real teenage girls like her. Either go get said BPD devils or get better taste.

>>81729080
Just dont coom inside of her

>>81729080
Just use a condom?

>>81728842 (OP)
Your kids would be retarded.

>have a kid with a relative
>completely normal and healthy

Not saying this as encouragement, just that the stigma is overblown if your family doesn't have a history of doing

>>81729080
>>81729099
incest is not the same as inbreeding
as a fetish it's based. wouldn't do it in reality myself, but that's mostly because I don't have a hot sister in alabama

>>81728883
I met my half sister when I was in college and she was like 12 years older than me

Insane immediate chemistry and we started banging like immediately. Blew up both our lives because she had a fiance and I was dating someone but was magnetic.

Blew up both our parents lives too because it happened when her dad cheated with my mom. My dad wasn't really my father.

>>81728842 (OP)
Brazil and India.
Still think it's a good idea?

>>81728883
All sex is disgusting unless it's with chad

>>81728842 (OP)
Beside fucked kids
Nothing really

>>81728842 (OP)
I once saw someone on the effective altruism forum argue against incest by giving a big fat Chad "Yes" on it being eugenics and why that was actually a good thing.
Personally, I am against eugenics and think we should respect adults' right to consent and reproduce.

>>81729080
still only like 90% chance of that happening

Sibling x sibling incest = muh dick
Parent x child incest = cringe

>>81728842 (OP)
It's difficult to know if both participants are truly consenting. grooming etc

>>81729099
So lesbianism is fine?

>>81731045
No, he said your kids would be retarded anyway.

>>81728842 (OP)
Most people who commit incest are ugly, that should be reason enough

>>81728884
I have had a brother-sister incest fetish for at least eighteen years, I am thirty-three.
I have a sister who is two years younger than me.

>>81728842 (OP)
you have to use in-vitro fertilization and pre-implantation diagnostics to not have a high chance of producing retard babies.
Thats expensive.

>>81731057
I don't see the phrase "anyway" in his post which would change the entire context and also not be an answer to OP's proposition.

>>81729080
Not defending Incest here, but your "sources, facts and technology" is a poorly cropped screenshot of an AI summary, from an AI which was infamous for getting shit hilariously wrong.

>>81730034
Difficult to know for who? Just ask them.

>>81728884
I FUCKING LOVE INCEST!!!!!!!! I have 4 sisters and 2 brothers and a dozen cousins. Mainly a dad/daughter type of guy though.

>>81729130
which relative did you have a kid with? are you two still together? do you raise the kid? tell us everything don't leave us hanging

>>81728884
When it's an actress you don't know tapping into the fantasy in a roleplay setting it can be hot.

>>81728842 (OP)
4545 b iubhj jhgyhg hg mg u8 yyyyhjhj

Extra retard babies.

>>81731123
You dont know what you are talking about. Anyone that actually understands genetics knows that the risk is extremely small on an individual level. The issue with incest is when its done on a society wide level thats how you end up with retarded people (think of like, arabs)

>>81729085
>>81729096
>>81729144
>Just don't get her pregnant bro!
Such a flawless plan anon. Surely with your intellect fate itself falls perfectly in line with your precise desires and misfortune never dares to cross your path.

>but as a inconsequential fetish tho!
It's narcissism and the desire for intimacy within the closest levels of social comfort: the family. Ironically it alienates oneself from the family more since now they can't trust you to keep your dick to yourself.

please touch grass before you force God to punish you.

>>81731506
Shitty posts with shitty questions and shitty arguments are not worthy of quality responses. As said before: you have a picture of an anime girl.

>>81728842 (OP)
the jews are what happens when you keep inbreeding

>>81729080
Incest bad, glue on pizza good.

>>81735146
Jews have been racist schizos long before they started inbreeding

if you had to choose would white be right or left?

The treatment of incest shows me that normies have no actual moral principles. They will support other kinds of sexual activities because that's what's popular amongst the herd now, but they can't think further, even according to their own stated values.
50 years ago they would have been burning gays, I wonder if 50 years from now they will pretend they always supported incest.

>>81734282
If it's about the small risk of pregnancy, then are you ok with gay incest? 0% chance of children.

>>81732705
Don't want to say too much, but it's an immediate family member. We're not together in a relationship but we do live together and raise the kid together, but we obviously don't let on the truth to other people.

>>81735397
I'm waiting for the day that Incest becomes normalized purely because I wanna see how many faggots trip over themselves to try and be "supportive" and an "ally". It's not like we're not already headed in that direction anyhow.

>>81729080
Why? I guess it's 'cause she's

>>81735616
Never because incest is the right winger's paraphilia. Pedophilia might become normalized though

>>81735616
Legitimately only a matter of time as more Muslims and Hindus move to the West, but it will probably stop at cousins before we see a big backlash and a shift to a more socially conservative society again

>>81729080
Incorrect. See attached image for more information.

>>81729080
>using AI as a source
lmao lol
>increased risks of genetic disorders
This is true in case of rare recessive genetic disorders. They are extremely rare and is the only way incest is actually dangerous but if you have these in your family you shouldnt be having children period unless you use in vitro fertilization.
>Homozygosity is le bad
Only in cases of rare genetic diseases. Most phenotypes white people have are recessive so unless you want to support racemixing you should shut the fuck up and actually do research

>>81729080
The problem is that genes don't cause disease. Stressors (especially toxin exposure and nutrient deficiencies) cause disease, which can be reflected in gene expression and passed down to children. Those changes can be reversed and you can produce children with better genes/health than your own if you make an effort to reverse the biochemical sabotage you've endured. Even down syndrome can be undone in the womb

>>81729080
This is literally not a problem as long as you/family doesn't have shit genetics

>>81728842 (OP)
I don't really like my sister.

>>81728842 (OP)
Would you really risk blowing up a multiple-decade relationship because of a stupid fetish? There's nothing "wrong" if it's mutual, but 99% of the time you're wrong if you think it is.

It ruins the family unit. Not worth it at all

>>81737461
What if the only ones left in the family are the couple and it's consensual?

>>81728842 (OP)
As an incest survivor there are usually fucked up power dynamics and it's usually rape

Its against Christian God

>>81735502
it's the daughter isn't it?
impure
sin

>>81737461
the family unit is a meme in the first place, one that's rapidly disintegrating with skyrocketing divorce rates

>>81728842 (OP)
it reduces the gene pool
>it's okay if they don't reproduce
see above

>>81737515
>What if
It's the same reasons you don't do business with your own family. Not worth it at all
>>81737901
>muh divorce
irrelevant, this is about fucking your sister or whatever

>>81737977
>irrelevant
Divorce, which severs the family unit is pretty fucking relevant to the statement that incest shouldn't exist because it supposedly does the same

>>81737597
Wrong actually. It was commonplace in the Bible for cousins to marry.

>>81738044
cousin marriage is no big deal in most of the world

incest is cool in fiction but i don't think you'd be cheering on your friend if he started banging his sister

>>81728883
There are two points considered "bad" for incest.
1) Even when in relationships with no children produced or possible (fags), the risk of a "breakup" looms. A bad romantic/sexual breakup between family ruins the most important social bond / safety net you can have. But people seem capable enough of ruining said family bonds for plenty of other retarded reasons like not liking the other person's (lack of) religion, or drug use, or theft, or etc. No one who wants to do it is rebuffed by legislation, it only hurts people who would otherwise be fine left alone.

2) Inbreeding is negligible over one generation, you have higher rates of bad things having a child over 30 as a woman, it only really adds up across generations. This is next to non-existent in western cultures. Pakistanis, for instance, have an inbred culture as well as high rates of birth defects easily sourceable via Britian's NHS and large population of Pakistanis.

>congenital heart disease!
I'm glad you posted that. You know why african americans have higher rates of heart disease than white americans EVEN AFTER controlling for socioeconomic factors? They're 20% white on average.
Race mixing is the largest and most real risk of mental and health disorders yet it's not only legal but celebrated for (((reasons))).

tl:dr; in the west, incest (right now, with our current culture) is no big deal.

>>81730034
If it's siblings, it's not grooming.
>oh no a 10 year old was curious with an 8 year old!
Grooming is intent, a small age difference isn't enough to know what you're doing.

>>81734282
A picture of an anime girl is more of an argument than AI.

>>81736629
I would agree with you for most "disease" but down syndrome is otherwise known as trisomy 21, aka a genetic issue from the start of 3 copies of the 21st chromosome.
>undone in the womb
Absolutely retarded. It's fucked from the very start from the genetic blueprints.
Don't go full retard.

Fucking is just simply gross no matter how you love each other.
You gotta be really sick on the head or potentially sexually harassed from young age to actually develop those feelings.

>>81732688
have you fuck any of them
if yes, are you a pajeet?

>>81738312
wait what? is that true? I thought it was illegal
fuck I was really into my cousin and she was into me but I was scared because le incest bad fuck me

>>81738772
It's illegal in the vast majority of the world yes, including the majority of the developed world. The stigma that it might cause is another thing entirely. Honestly, I think we're in the early stages of incest finally breaking into the mainstream. Probably by another generation or two, it will be considered normal-ish and mostly vilified by social conservatives.

>>81738796
>It's illegal in the vast majority of the world yes
meant legal, obviously

>>81738772
Legality aside, you're committing social suicide if you marry a cousin in a first world country. You will both be the black sheep of your family and everyone who finds out you married your cousin will look at you weird. That might be OK with the kind of outcasts posting on /r9k/, but good luck finding a foid cousin who thinks it's acceptable to be ostracized by everyone she knows over her incestuous marriage.

>>81738828
Einstein was able to get away with it

>>81738312
had a cousin 2 years younger than me that was pretty infatuated with me as a kid, like type to always be glued to you and demand to sleep in the same bed with you. She was pretty similar to me in the sense that we were both very young children with no idea what sex was but we still had sexual desires, at least I have always had these towards women since I was 3 years old. Anyway she was always asking if we could try kissing and making out whenever we met, I always refused because I was completely paranoid of my parents finding out and getting mad at me even though I really wanted to do it. One time I was playing at her house, we were in her bedroom and she brought a friend with her. At some point the friend mentioned french kissing and my cousin told me she wanted to try that with me I refused again so my cousin and her friend start making out with each other right in my front for like a few fucking minutes reminder I was sub10 at the time and my heterosexuality was set in stone forever after that. When they were done she insisted again that we kissed and in the greatest display of self control in any kid ever I refused again, she even tried to force herself onto me a bit so I pushed back she got mad and we never talked about any of that again. When I was a bit older and worked the courage she didn't want to do anything and it stopped at that. Even nowadays when we meet each other she acts in a way that makes me think she sees me as an older brother. Worst thing is that I was paranoid for no reason as an adult I know my parents wouldn't have given a single fuck if they found out. If it wasn't for the anti cousin incest stigma could've experienced the childhood friend type of relationship the purest type of love you can have.

>>81738915
I would probably also be way less sexually and developmentally stunted. Having romantic and sexual desires as long as you developed a conscience (i can remember my life up to 2 years old) and never being able to lose the khhv status brings a lot of misery thats why I will be always in favor of cousin incest

>>81738373

I would also add that normies would be defending incest if they grew up in a culture where it is permissible like your mention of Pakistanis. It is worthless to listen to an opinion that is derived from the sense of the culture because only rationality can provide a basis for an argument.

>>81736629
>Those changes can be reversed and you can produce children with better genes/health than your own if you make an effort to reverse the biochemical sabotage you've endured. Even down syndrome can be undone in the womb

Interesting and how does it do that.

>>81738960
Using CRISPR

>>81728842 (OP)
I lewded my sister and moralfag'd out when she begged for me to fuck her. I don't recommend it, granted, it was the only opportunity I ever had at losing my virginity so rip. She's cute and likes the same stuff I do but I don't feel an attraction to her. One of those kinks that's better off as fantasy. Anytime I imagine wincest (rarely) it's with a made up sibling instead.

>>81739707
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
I HATE YOU

>>81737696
No, can say it's not that, at least

>>81738897
Einstein was jewish, they're already known for their inbreeding e.g. taysachs disease.
They're also known for their degenerate behaviors so that's not a good poster boy.

How much better is incest sex compared to regular sex? On a scale of 1-10 how different are they?

>>81735854
Not with all this incest porn becoming popular. Moreover edgy adult comedy can't do racism/sexism anymore, so most of them are resorting to weirdo sex shit and incest is at the top of the list.

>>81735877
I'm willing to bet it's gonna be like LGBT shit, where they give an inch and they take a mile. A good chance that bro sis shit will become normalized. Parent stuff will probably never be normalized, even with all the "Mommy" and "Daddy" shit in pop culture nowadays.

>>81728842 (OP)
burden of proof fallacy
give me a good argument for it

>>81737928
>nobody refuted this.
I win.

>>81728842 (OP)
>I have yet to hear a good argument against this
translates to
>I actively shut my ears and mind to actual arguments against this

I haven't even read this thread yet but 100% guarantee each and every rational argument is met with massive amounts of cope.

>>81735616
Naaaw, the Jews have beta tested Incest and come to the conclusion that it's not as detrimental to society as they had hoped, so why they gave Incest the Nazi treatment and banned payment processors from doing business with them, hence why Incest-porn creators all became Step-shit creators overnight.

Isn't it interesting that here is comparatively little impregnation fantasy despite making babies being the primary function of sex?

>>81741469
>Not with all this incest porn becoming popular.

It's all Stepshit tho, 10 years ago no one had to force the word "step" into anything unless there was a ladder involved in the set-up.

>>81735854
with all of the screeching about age gaps I'd expect incest and beastiality to become acceptable way before pedophilia

>>81734282
>Moralfag feels icky when discussing incest and uses that as the base of his argument
Please kill yourself

>>81728842 (OP)
How do you make any moral argument?

The only way to make an objective assertion is through religion, then you just let democracy decide if thats enforced on others.

>>81728842 (OP)
Is this game any good?

>>81728842 (OP)
There isnt any. With our modern sexual morals there is literally no argument agisnt incest, even the misplaced concern about genetic problems doesnt work because we let people breed even when their kids will have debilitating even deadly disorders genetically

There is not a single good argument in the context of modernity agaisnt incest it inbreeding

>>81728884
I have a twin sister and Ive wanted to fuck her sice we were 13

>>81728883
Inbreeding isnt even that dangerous when you look into it

Women using fertility drugs to get pregnant at 45 is way worse genetically than impregnating a relative

>>81729080
Literally no worse or more risky than having and over 35

>>81731045
Lesbians arent real to start

Homosexuality is just a fettish for transgression

>>81732705
My real father is my grandfather, Im completely fine, smart, succesfull high iq, handsome etc Im married with a small child

The concerns with inbreeding are largely myth

>>81738343
I would

>>81738373
Theres bad potential outcomes in literally every relation that doesnt mean they should be banned

By that logic marriage should be banned since it leads to domestic violencr and even murder ar times

>>81738796
Brother -sister Margie wasnt just legal it was literally common for thousands of years in the Middle East and eastern med

>>81744720
>Homosexuality is just a fettish for transgression
So everyone who likes anything resembling taboo are likely gay as well? That can't be true. Some people just have a stronger attraction to the same sex which may both be innate and explained by environmental factors. Wouldn't just call it a fetish. It does seem to be more of a gray zone among lesbians though with many of them being bi or just experimenting before later moving on.

>>81728842 (OP)
Is it bad if I'm an FTM and would?

>>81744953
Yes I think being a homosexual is just a fettish and I say that as a guy whos done homo stuff

>>81735362
racism is not necessarily bad I was talking about their deformed bodies

>>81728842 (OP)
I don't want to encounter my ex at a family reunion.

>>81745006
What's the meaningful difference between a fetish and being attracted to something on a biological level? Gay people don't have any straight fetishes so it must be more than a simple fetish.

>>81747876
There isnt one everythifn thing that isnt procreative sex is a fettish

>>81728842 (OP)
I agree that there's no good ethical argument that incest between adults should be illegal.
However, I still find it gross and want it to be illegal.
The whole "birth defects" shit just seems like a lame excuse when people who say it don't also support banning people who have or carry genes for serious heritable conditions from having sex.