It's not simply that men are lonely; it's that women are by and large NOT lonely. Even single women. They're fine being alone. They don't want the burden of a man's neediness.

How did we get here? Why are men needy and women emotionally self-sufficient? Has it always been this way, and modernity is simply shedding light on that fact?

>>81771523 (OP)
men can't experience loneliness. a lot of the time they are just pretending to behave like women.

>>81771523 (OP)
Single women aren't alone. They can easily find men to talk to for days if not months.

>>81771535
They are the only gender that can experience true loneliness or isolation.

>>81771562
men have never really felt lonely.

>>81771550
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W*men are welcome everywhere at any time, it is physically impossible for them to be lonely

>>81771535
I'm not really sure what you mean?

>>81771550
So are you saying that if their singleness wasn't a choice, but something imposed on them, women would be lonely too? I guess that begs another question - how did we get to a point where men are disproportionately flooding women with attention? Is that just social darwinism at work? A culling process for the weakest among us?

>>81771569
Bad bait. Almost every writing about loneliness or isolation was from a man, and that gender is the only one experiencing an epidemic of isolation.

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>>81771523 (OP) (OP)#
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They are the only gender thience loneliness. a lot of the time they are just pretending to behave like women.
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>>81771523 (OP)
>How did we get here?
Not to sound like a boomer, because I'm not, but blame social media.
Without social media, women would actually NEED to go outside to find validation and a partner. Why would you ever want to go outside and probably find a cute guy at a park or club when you can easily just open your phone and DM chad? It sounds crazy but that's how foids "date" these days. That or use dating apps.

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Single women aren't alone. They can easily find men to talk to for days if not months.
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They are the only gender that can experience true loneliness or isolation.
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men have never really felt lonely.WUHNR V(Q& %Y$N*() Y% B@#*(HRFAKDFBSAJKDBBBBASF

Without social media, women would actually NEED to go

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>>81771599
I don't disagree, but I know a fair few women who aren't dating, or interested in dating, and genuinely prefer their solitude to the company of another person. I do think social media plays a role in even this phenomenon, though - a lot of their time seems to be spent in addictive relationships with Instagram, TikTok, etc.

>>81771583
>So are you saying that if their singleness wasn't a choice, but something imposed on them, women would be lonely too?
I don't understand this question. "If someone is made to be lonely, would they be lonely?" That's what you're saying.
>how did we get to a point where men are disproportionately flooding women with attention?
Many men are very horny

>>81771649
>sted in dating, and genuinely prefer their solitude to the company of another person. I do think social media plays a role in even this phenomenon, though - a lot of their time seems to be spent in addictive relationships with Instagram, TikTok, etc.
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>>81771649

W*men are welcome everywhere at any time, it is physically impossible for them to be lonely
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>>81771660
thing imposed on them, women would be lonely too?
I don't understand this question. "If someone is made to be lonely, would they be lonely?" That's what you're saying.
>how did we get to a point where men are disproportionately flooding women with attention?
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>>81771649
*But, adding to this, I do think the underlying question remains: Why does social media make men lonely, and not women? In this case I'm talking strictly about content consumption - not DMs, or unsolicited male attention.

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WithoI don't disagree, but I know a fair few women who aren't dating, or interested in dating, and genuinely prefer their solitude to the

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>>81771589
its not bait at all. men don't experience loneliness.

men lonely, and not women? In this case I'm talking strictly about content consumption - not DMs, or un


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men have never really felt lonely.WUHNR V(Q& %Y$N*() Y% B@#*(HRFAKDFBSAJKDBBBBASF
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company of another person. I do think social media plays a role in even this phenomenon, though - a lot of their time seems to be spent in addictive relationships with Instagram, TikTok, ut social media, women would actually NEED to go
outside to find validation and a partner. Why would you ever want to go outside and probably fin
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>>81771562#
men have never really felt lonely.WUHNR V(Q& %Y$N*() Y% B@#*(HRFAKDFBSAJKDBBBBASF
Without social media, women would actually NEED to go
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>>81771660
>I don't understand this question. "If someone is made to be lonely, would they be lonely?" That's what you're saying.

I meant that, per your framing, if women weren't able to call up an orbiter on a whim and instantly receive his validating attention, would they be as lonely as men?

>Many men are very horny

But why are an equal amount of women not horny? Or even a roughly equivalent amount? The mystery endures.

Sex doesn't even seem that valuable to women. See: the longstanding tradition of marriages going cold, with men being the ones who suffer sexual frustration.

Also, what's with the spammer? I haven't been here in a while. Is this just a feature of the board now?

>>81771756
>if women weren't able to call up an orbiter on a whim and instantly receive his validating attention, would they be as lonely as men?
Possibly. Women are quite vicious towards one another, as per women themselves telling me.
>But why are an equal amount of women not horny?
Could may well be that they've evolved to withhold sex to gain power over men. Purely conjecture from my part, I don't know.

>>81771806
No, he's just some annoying faggot who wants attention. Ignore him

>>81771879
>Women are quite vicious towards one another, as per women themselves telling me.

Yeah, I can aver. The only time I hear from some women is when they need a safety deposit box for their shit talking about each other.

>>81771523 (OP)
>Why are men needy and women emotionally self-sufficient?
I don't want to seem like I'm putting all the blame on men, but women and girls grow up seeing how terribly (some) men treat women. Besides the obvious stuff, it's also things like the fact about 17% of households in America are ran by single moms today. They might've grew up in a household ran by a single mother, or even a married mom where she worked herself to the bone, did all the labor, struggled raising them, giving pieces of herself away in the process, whilst dad did not. Girls and women who had terrible dating experiences with boys and men leaving them traumatized once they come out of it. Women and girls who have experienced being cheated on by a boyfriend or husband, by the way, 20% of married men cheat on their partners, and an alarming amount pay for sex work like OnlyFans.

What I'm trying to say is that women, especially young ones are seeing, experiencing, or hearing about how women are being treated by men, and it draws them away from ever wanting things like a relationship or a marriage. Along with this, not being married is becoming less of a priority, and they can now have things like children or a job without a man. So these women come to a conclusion. Why risk being hurt, cheated on, mistreated by your husband, and stuck, when you can move to your dream place, rent a nice apartment or buy a house (unlikely, but you know), get yourself a pet, and live peacefully? Maybe even live in a community with your friends

Of course, there are kind men, but they rarely make themselves known. Even men who claim to be kind sometimes prove to be the opposite.

>Has it always been this way, and modernity is simply shedding light on that fact?
Maybe it has. Considering how many women were mistreated back then by the men in their lives, and how men being at war opened up new opportunities and freedoms for women.

>>81772213
>not being married
Sorry guys, I meant, being married is becoming less of a priority

>>81772213
>Maybe it has. Considering how many women were mistreated back then by the men in their lives, and how men being at war opened up new opportunities and freedoms for women.

Yeah, it seems like a lot of societal rules were drafted with the express intent of limiting a woman's freedom. In medieval Europe, they were a form of currency used to join houses so families could ascend to higher positions of notoriety and wealth/comfort. In more recent times, restricting a woman's ability to vote and work made them reliant on men when it came to expressing themselves in any meaningful way. There's currently a renewed effort to inhibit their reproductive rights, in what feels like a last ditch effort to leash women to men.

On some level, it seems like men have always been aware that without arbitrary rules of law, women have no real need of them. Obviously in a world of sticks and stones and cavemen that'd be different. But in a civilized society? Not so much.

So now men are entering a period of loneliness and frankly insanity that's being met with a cold shoulder from women. It feels a bit like karma. And, in a historical context, I suppose men deserve it.

But more broadly, the species needs women and men to get along in order to succeed. So, uh... where do we go from here?

>>81771523 (OP)
Women support each other while men are shit

>>81771523 (OP)
>How did we get here?
For some fucking reason society decided that men should be "in touch with their feelings" and started pushing the idea that everyone who wasn't miserable was somehow wrong or hiding their true emotions.

>>81771523 (OP)
Partially because women aren't seen as lesser for being single in the same way men are, so they have less social pressure to be with someone. A woman with no man simply means none have met her standards yet, while a man with no woman means he can't pull.

>>81772447 Maybe it's not so much need. But I think that woman still appreciate when they find a man who they feel safe around...even in todays world women still feel threatened by violence, but don't feel that they can trust most men to not be a threat themselves or be able to protect them at all considering most modern men are so soft

Being with men is like a spectrum on one end they are secretly gay and want u a biological woman 2 fuck/dom them and do other such gross gay shit and on the other they very literally cry and cry because some off handed comment the likes of which people have been saying 2 u since u were like 10 such as ur being kind of a pussy rn rocks the very core of their being once u have lived this cycle enuff u just don't get lonely anymore

>>81773001
This cuts both ways though. I could tell a woman that her favorite movie is kind of dumb, and it would put me on her shit list for life. The difference is I'd still be thirsty for her, whereas she wouldn't think about me again, ever.

>>81773101
Fuck u fuck u fuck u faggot " this guys not that cool meh " is not comparable in any way 2 turning around and unexpectedly finding a fully grown man twice ur size balling his eyes out beyond function cos u said something offhandedly u don't understand what a Waterloo that is it's not the same. My opinion is not suppose 2 matter that used 2 b the deal

>>81772901
I think both sexes want the other to be more like them. Women want men to be emotionally vulnerable gossips, while men want women to be less yappy and more down to fuck. That's a natural tug of war, and no side holds sway for long. At least, IMO.

>>81772946
Kinda sorta. I feel it comes down to personal perception. A dude who's unbothered by his singleness is perceived as a bachelor, whereas a dude who's desperately lonely is perceived as a loser. The problem right now is that there is a hugely disproportionate number of desperately lonely men to unbothered women.

>>81773138
I think my point stands, and your freakout is a good example of it. Your opinion isn't supposed to matter, but you go sour grapes anytime it's not validated.

>>81771589
>>81771693
you're both deluded, both sexes can clearly feel loneliness in their own ways, and both are "legitimate" as far as that word goes. numbers are a different story and argue that as you will.

>>81773138
please consider you have been Unlucky in your circumstances and encounters and experiences, and they are not illustrative of some local, national, or even global phenomenon

>>81773138
That doesn't sound normal to me. Maybe your sample group is mostly autistic men or something? We're 4channers, after all.

>>81771523 (OP)
>They're fine being alone.
thats because they aren't.
females literally cannot even comprehend the level of "alone" that a male can experience.
Even if a female becomes a hikkineet hermit, fully cut of from society, the fact that she is a female means she could always just reenter society and be welcomed with open arms, always easily just find someone who wants to get to know you, thinks you're interesting, wants to spend time with you.
Only a male can truly be rejected by society, left behind even as they reach out their hand for anyone to grasp it.
A females loneliness is always self imposed, its not truly being alone. Just like being in a cage doesn't always mean you're imprisoned. If you have the key and could always just open the door its not true imprisonment.

>>81773204
Thinking me typing is a freak out proves 2 me I've never had someone in charge of u cry like it's Shakespeare but let's agree 2 disagree my robotic friend

>>81773223
I don't disagree, but why is that the case? How did we get here? Where does all this start?

>>81773233
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>>81773222
>>81773216 It has happened on the last three occasions I have no interests in doing it a fourth time I would just rather die alone

>>81773249
>How did we get here?
giving women rights

>>81771535
>Men can't suffer! They're an entirely different species. The patriarchy told me so. Men are superior to women.
Why would men somehow be beyond an emotion as elementary school level as loneliness?

sometimes u r just a pussy like guys pay attention to girls, girls also pay attention to other girls. a guy needing attention per se is just like gay u know like unless the girl is being completely cold or something and that means an actual issue you really shouldn't be the one waiting for the reply. as a guy who gets some attention it's actually hell. girls want you to respond to them. they go crazy right away. it takes them a long time or never to realize I'm never going to be who they want me to be bc I physically am very poor lol

>>81771535
>men can't experience loneliness.
You are very dull.

>>81772447
>So, uh... where do we go from here?
Divest from women

>>81773272
you've had a gentleman open up into tears in your presence three fukken times? what bad luck! please do consider that you have particularly bad luck.

>>81773445
Fool me once shame on u fool me three times standing watching the person who's supposed 2 b the control part of my reality literally like jolt like a train while he's sobbing because overnight the world magically cursed me with the ability 2 make men give a fuck with just words shame on me desu

>>81773303
>girls want you to respond to them. they go crazy right away

This is only true if the girl is into you. And it seems like most girls aren't into most guys, which is the issue at hand.

>>81772213
>I don't want to put the blame on men, but I'm going to put the blame on men and proceed to attempt justifying profiling them by framing women as victims since people will naturally agree with me as we live in a patriarchy that loves to view women as weak and vulnerable and inferior.
>>81772447
>Yeah, it seems like a lot of societal rules were drafted with the express intent of limiting a woman's freedom.
Women actually were vulnerable back then. We didn't have cameras and shit to catch rape. That, and men were supposed to work in order to provide for the women. Women as a kind of thing to work for was the product of capitalism.
>On some level, it seems like men have always been aware that without arbitrary rules of law, women have no real need of them.
Men have also been aware that without arbitrary rules of law, there would be no need to serve women and be hard and cold to lower class men for women.
>It feels a bit like karma. And, in a historical context, I suppose men deserve it.
Yeah, I guess young men do deserve death by institutionalized solitary confinement just for existing and not even doing anything.

Please, if anyone is going to have to deal with karma, it's the women currently alive for twisting and lying about how the patriarchy works for decades and using society's feeling that men are superior to women to make fun of the idea that women might have been getting any good end of the deal whatsoever thoughout all of history or ever. You could give women complete dominance over our entire country, and men would still be called superior and in control and solely responsible for everything that happens in one way or another.

Women losing their protections(and gaining rights) goes both ways. Women will finally have to accept some accountability and stop viewing themselves as inferior. Men will no longer be the disposable sex. Men will no longer be obligated to provide for women and will actually be able to demand some protection.

>>81771523 (OP)
Women very easily get what they need from men. Meanwhile non-Chad men have to put in a Herculean amount of effort to maybe one day get a crumb of what they need from women. Before social media/dating apps gave women quick access to infinite male attention/validation they had a reputation for being very needy. Deprive them of their phones and apps for a month and see how emotionally self-sufficient women still are.

>>81773587
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Women losing their protections(and gaining rights) goes both ways. Women will finally have to accept some accountability and stop viewing themselves as inferior. Men will no longer be the disposable sex. Men will no longer be obligated to provide for women and will actually be able to demand some protection.

I dunno, it doesn't seem like any of that is coming true. More the opposite. I mean, you yourself framed the current state of affairs as men dying 'by institutionalized solitary confinement'.

>>81773587
>Women losing their protections(and gaining rights) goes both ways. Women will finally have to accept some accountability and stop viewing themselves as inferior. Men will no longer be the disposable sex. Men will no longer be obligated to provide for women and will actually be able to demand some protection.

It doesn't seem like any of that is coming true. More the opposite. I mean, you yourself framed the current state of affairs as men dying 'by institutionalized solitary confinement'.

>>81773622
>Deprive them of their phones and apps for a month and see how emotionally self-sufficient women still are.

But phones and apps aren't going anywhere. If anything, social media is going to expand and become more ubiquitous and all this social phenomena will accelerate .

Who knows. Maybe this is just the next step of everything. Maybe this is progress, and today's population is the necessary collateral damage.

>>81772447
Men deserve it huh? Lmao
I'm glad civilization is going to devolve back into brownoid rape and femoid slavery as is practiced everywhere but the West. It's what women deserve

>>81773735
I don't think you actually believe that will happen, and even if it does, you'll be long dead by that point. What an odd comment.

>>81773748
A lot can happen in a year or even a day. What makes you think culture can't shift? Gynocracy and women's "right" to divorce rape is a purely new and modern phenomenon. The exception to the historical rule. You live within the system so you can't perceive it's fragility.
The mongol empire ran the entire world and did not last very long... Anything is possible and in the long run given how broken and evil the system and its results are for men and women both there is no reason to believe it will persist long term

>>81771523 (OP)
>. Even single women. They're fine being alone.
Except thats wrong, virtually all women have deep friendships and relationships with each other or their family. Thats why theyre "not lonely" despite "being alone". For them a romantic partner is an add-on, for men its the only option left for human contact.

You know why this happened? because women fostered this situation by making men fight each other for her and calling them gays for being bros

>>81773804
I'm not denying cultures can shift and systems can break down, but warlords raping and pillaging their way across the West isn't going to happen overnight or in a year or ten years.

But this is beyond the scope of what I made this thread to talk about.

>>81773853
Interesting perspective.

>For them a romantic partner is an add-on, for men its the only option left for human contact.

I'm not sure I agree. I have male and female friends, for instance; but the lack of a romantic partner is something that no amount of friendship can make up for. Women generally have friends of both sexes too, as you pointed out. But they don't seem to mind the lack of a romantic partner.

I don't think my experience is anecdotal. I'm surrounded by men with social lives who nevertheless feel a deep lack because of their single status.

>>81773895
>But they don't seem to mind the lack of a romantic partner.
Because women can still easily get dick in an hour or less whenever they're horny to satisfy that need. It's not possible for women to experience loneliness the same way men do. They are drowning in attention. Their loneliness problem is they aren't getting enough attention from Chad. Our loneliness problem is we could drop dead without anybody noticing until our body starts to smell bad enough for neighbors to notice.

>>81773895
>. But they don't seem to mind the lack of a romantic partner.
Because as I said, their relationships tend to run deeper simply by virtue of girls being taught to be emotional and open since birth while for men its the opposite. Thats where the deep lack is coming from.

Im afraid to admit there is no solution to this problem, I mean once you grow up like this, changing your most basic ways of perceiving and relating to the world is nearly impossible. Taking a pseudo feminist stance and teaching men to be like girls, as in being open and emotional wont work for a variety of reasonsz amongst them women being the first fucking cunts to shame these men into retreat. Its just the way things are I guess, its a vicious cycle. Men allowed women to drive a wedge between ourselves, "bros before hoes" in other words stopped mattering.

>>81773988
Not him but no not really, or rather not entirely. The ability to get dicked down is one factor but theres also the comparatively strong and deep previous relationships most women have (either with relatives or friends) while as you said men often have literally nothing (neither do we have the mental framework for them anyway).

I think women make a valid point when the say that "theyre being used" and crap, but to be fair it still beats literally zero attention as it happens to males.

>>81773633
Yeah, it's over for us currently, though temperarily. But that's mainly because of there being no space for men and, ironically, the working class on the left. I'd give it another 5 to 10 years for pluto in Aquarius to make its mark and for men, too, to see what's shockingly being hidden from them beyond the patriarchy.

Trump being elected has set in motion the fall of conservatives, but not the return of young men to the institutional left groveling to be let back in. The same resentment and male crisis hasn't gone away and has only intensified and not cared about by anyone on any proper side of the political spectrum. The right says you're not a man(a fag). The left says you're probably a rapist incel(and mysogynist too, ironically). This can only go on for so long.

why can't we be friends? like, be different from the normies and actually care about each other?

>>81774170
A pretty sound analysis, if sobering. I suppose all that's left is to wait for the ground to shift in the coming decades, and hopefully not die of something preventable in the meantime.

>>81774191
Who? You and me? Men and women?

>>81774203
men and women

>>81771523 (OP)
>all the nerdy girls have boyfriends
but
>none of the nerdy guys have girlfriends
Yet society wants to tell you that the 'nerdy guys' have standards too high and are constantly going for the cheerleader-types, when in reality, the 'nerdy' guys never had a chance. It starts young.

>>81774235
I think that's not really an issue, right? I have female friends. I know plenty of other men with female friends.

The loneliness that men are experiencing doesn't stem from lack of friendship, but lack of romantic companionship.

women aren't alone because they get pumped and dumped multiple times in their teens and 20s all while having the time of their life, like you ask any woman and they'll say their best days were when they were in uni slutting it up
then they hit 30 and whoooo boy

>>81771523 (OP)
Its not that men are emotionally needy, its hard coded into men to love women otherwise nothing prevents men from straight up ripping their throat and eating them like a wild animal, personally i went long enough without no woman in my life that i dont care what happens to them, raped? not my issue. id literally ignore them if they get robbed or murdered or threaten as i get nothing anyways from saving them, this is not a healthy way for society to function but it is the future, the only way id agree to date a woman nowadays anyways if they actively pay me, because they have nothing to offer me than a used up hole which my libido is already basically dead and hentai exists. Personally it shocks me how many gives are willing to be "boyfriends" to these disgusting human beings for FREE, expected to defend them and generally provide for them and be a therapist.

beware of sekhmet's vengeance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuIM4xCywb8&list=RDJuIM4xCywb8&start_radio=1&pp=ygUObG93IGhhbGYgbGlnaHSgBwE%3D

>>81774274
I dunno. I think the whole concept of 'nerdiness' has dissolved in the information age. Everyone's plugged in and reliant on one form of technology or another. Sure, conservative media keeps trying to push the 'real man' angle, but it's not really taking.

Fact:
Men and women experience loneliness when they are deprived of the opposite sex and of any social support like a friend group and of any romantic experiences

Fact:
Men and women who are mind poisoned by internet genderwar bullshit like to pretend that their sex doesn't experience loneliness and don't need the opposite sex out of spite and cope to "one up" them

Fact:
The only type of person who does not experience loneliness when the opposite sex are not in their lives are schizoids, psychopaths, homosexuals and people so insufferable and narcissistic they can not live with anyone else and it fills them so full of hate and resentment when they try to

The truth has been spoken. You may screech now

>>81774304
This is true for a significant demographic of women, but not significant enough to be considered dominant. The girls who hit a wall in their 30s are most certainly toxic, but they've probably always been toxic and were never going to be serious candidates for longterm relationships.

>>81774334
Ya this is fair

>>81774334
Maybe focusing on the word 'lonely' was a mistake on my part. Let me put it another way. A recent study suggested that only 38% of single women are interested in a romantic relationship. If you weighed that against the percentage of men interested in a romantic relationship, I'm certain you'd receive a vastly different number.

That seems significant, no? And the all the crowing about male loneliness - while I agree it's grating - does seem suggestive of something beyond just media hysteria.

>>81774318
Thanks to the mainstreaming of anime/vidya and other niche interests. Then the Pandemic caused even more insufferable normies to infest the subculture(s).

>>81771523 (OP)
Giga psyop. You know how many women out there are mentally ill? How many of them rant about dating or men non-stop? The internet glorifies women but interact with them and you'll see how lost and vulnerable they can be.

>>81774371
A study can say anything. You can get any figure or result from a study depending on how it is conducted and it's methods and how the data is processed. But if this is a good study that represents a general trend in society (not very likely), there would be some factors to consider. Some women simply feel more comfortable when they are single because they 1. feel that getting a romantic relationship is more accessible than men feel so they don't feel it as pressing
2. typically have much better social support and can experience emotional intimacy with their female friends than men can with their social support and friends which aids the need for human connection with the opposite sex, although not a replacement
3. have statistically experienced a romantic relationship much more than men statistically (there are a larger sum of virgin men than virgin women and the women are dating a smaller pool of men)

This isn't about women having more emotional fortitude than men, or men being more insufferable or needy, or what ever radfem nonesense would translate such a figure into. There are probably more women that are not interested in a romantic relationship currently than there are men. But I doubt it would be that significant of a gap and the same women in this "study" will give you different results a year or 4 from now

For every 1 man and woman who say "I don't need the opposite sex! i'm perfectly fine alone! i love it!" there are hundreds, possibly thousands of men and women who are actually alone and feel lonely and this petty mentally ill bullshit isn't helping anyone

>>81774606
This discourse told me all I needed to know about the modern woman.

You always see women who are after a breakup say "I don't need no man! I'm quite happy and content alone... i'm my OWN person, i'm FREE" and they have genuinely convinced themselves of it but then they get back into a relationship the moment the get an opportunity to with a man they like. The amount of times i've seen this IRL is comical. It's just a thing to reassure and comfort themselves out of insecurity because women think that depending on someone makes them less of a person or something, or weak or whatever. Feminists have really made women feel like shit for it. But I get it, no one wants to feel vulnerable and out in the cold exposed. It is probably an awful feeling
Women just feel vulnerable, it's why they are obsessed with insecurity in men. Because they are insecure themselves and want desperately to have someone (a man) they feel comfortable depending on. Which scares them, which is completely understandable. They are just poor tortured souls. It must be tough being a woman

>>81771523 (OP)
>They're fine being alone.
It's just that women mature socially way earlier than men, and they have an easier time making social contact
>>81771535
This too lol.

>>81774750
yeah just go to reddit and check out the many bitter women subreddits. Click on their user history and you'll see most of them are miserable.
I used to believe otherwise until I started working in a female-dominated field and started noticing what a mess these women are.

>>81774750
>>81774810
>Cry about muh male loneliness epidemic
>Wahhh it's women who are akchually insecure
Why are incels so needy for women

>>81774825
I actually feel sorry for you.
Yes, I'm lonely and I get sometimes I feel really sad that no woman will ever hold my hand but most of the time I manage to cope and it's relatively easy too soothe the pain by choosing not to be around couples and just being away from women in general.
We are very simple creatures and unlike women we can fill that hole in our heart with cheap copes.

>>81774825
I'm not crying about anything. I'm simply making an observation. I'm not judging women for it either. You have my sympathy

What you say doesn't even make sense either. these men who admit loneliness do so because they don't have the same insecurities about admitting that they need someone. And usually, these so called "incels" that you speak of have never had any experience at all which is going to be tough for anyone, it's not comparable to someone who has had experience and feels burnt out or jaded. Plenty of women have never had any experience either, although much less than men. And they are not happy about it either. Are you going to call them "needy" too? For having a part of their humanity unexpressed? Don't be a cruel shrill person

>>81774915
>I actually feel sorry for you
I'm not a woman nor lonely, you're not even coping well since you apparently spend your free time gossipping about women lmao.
>>81774917
Stop crying man the fuck up

>>81774939
good night. Stop being so silly.

>>81774939
>i'm not a woman nor lonely
>stop gossiping about wymyn btw
>NO you are crying because I said so!
You ok? lol
Not really sure what to say...