my therapist has totally given up on making up advice. now our sessions end in awkward silence and asking about how my antidepressant is affecting me...
At least I live somewhere this bullshit isn't costing me money.

>>81776981 (OP)
i always consider therapy but always realize itll be useless, why do retards always say to go do therapy man

>>81776981 (OP)
That's funny. You should ask if they have no solutions and if it's hopeless just for a laugh

>>81776991
it works if your issue is easily fixable. mine isn't. all they can do is tell me to "cope"
>>81777007
I said that once. nervously told me to call them immediately if I feel trapped and suicidal.

in some group therapy sessions I went to, the therapist would have some conversation starters they'd hand out (dressed up with dice rolling or card drawing or whatever)

>>81777025
group therapy felt alienating to me. bunch of normies talking about their ex-husbands, only useful bit was the binder given to us copied out of a undergrad psychology textbook.

>>81777043
i'm not advising group therapy
I'm advising convo starters if you *have to* go in therapy and sit there
but yeah it'd be awkward so whatever

>>81777097
i wish my therapist would try that. i might bring this up since i need to continue therapy to get my NEETbux.

>>81776991
because it's gaslighting, and an appeal to authority. they are saying you are abnormal and need correction to function as a cog in the machine

>>81776981 (OP)
People who say "just go to therapy" are either ignorant people who don't know anything about how fucked the system is, or just malicious pieces of shit who use the expression as a way to shut you up by making a disingenuous appeal to authority. Therapists are shit. And mental hospitals are prisons. Hell, even my general practitioner who I trusted literally almost killed me by misdiagnosing me. He thought I had a viral infection when it was in fact a bacterial one and he refused to give me a test kit. A few days later I couldn't breathe and I had to rush to the hospital. I went through a lot of pain because of that asshole and I even had to get surgery to remove all the pus that had built up in my body. Not to mention how much money it cost me. Also, the medical field has one of the highest concentration of psychopaths/sociopaths in society, only rivaled by CEOs and politcians. These are the kinds of people you have to deal with when you put your life in the end of this disgusting system.

>>81776981 (OP)
>free therapy
which country?

>>81776981 (OP)
My psychiatrist sessions cost 300 dollars out of pocket. The Australian government gives me back 130, so in the it costs 170. Could be worse.

>>81776981 (OP)
My last therapist told me on of my teachers is also his client and he talked about how he lost his gun license because of reckless driving. I eventually stopped going because I barely even talked.

>>81777246
canada for me. for better or worse.

>>81776981 (OP)
The last time I had therapy, my therapist broke down crying and a rope reversal happened where I spent most sessions being their therapist. My psychiatrist has given up on me and gave me a card to call if I am going to kill myself.

>>81777290
It's only free here in some circumstances unfortunately (income). Psychiatrists are always free though.

>>81777293
if you are going to kill yourself why do they expect you to call first? is it meant to help magically fix your life?

>>81777311
I have no clue. I assume it's a liability thing. Needless to say I have tried before without calling.

>>81777293
>my therapist broke down crying
over what

>>81776991
Therapy is not useless for those who are living in delusion, like most of y'all are. You just have to make a conscious effort to try and change with the help of the therapist, fag

>>81777375
They asked me to detail my life, I did what they asked and accurately described my life to date without pulling punches.

>>81777023
They stopped giving you advice because you don't actually want to change anything, not because they think you're a hopeless case. You like wallowing in self-pity and your ""suffering"" is a fashion statement -- you're a zoomer that completes in the modern day pity olympics. Neither do they believe that you will actually kill yourself. There are many stages of suicidal ideation before that and they want to catch retards like you in one of those periods.
>>81777323
You are the same. You did not attempt suicide. Suicide is very difficult to fuck up if you're committed and do your research. You subconsciously, yet intentionally, went with a method that left you with a very high chance of survival. Like some teenage girl. You know how like 85% of "attempts" fail because they're dumb girls taking random meds at home? That's you. Your therapist would also make this distinction. They won't tell clients to their face because it encourages more bad behaviour, but internally it'd be treated as the scream for help that it was.

>>81777977
>You did not attempt suicide
>You subconsciously, yet intentionally, went with a method that left you with a very high chance of survival
You have zero clue what you are talking about. Virtually all suicides are done in an impulsive state. Long premeditated planning is an extreme rare exception for people who off themselves. A man gets drunk when he's feeling down about something major, he puts gun to head, and he pulls the trigger. That's the most common scenario in North America. I don't live in a country with easy access to firearms, and the method I chose was the noose. It fucked up, I was in pain for a long time after. Simple as.

>>81778355
Yes, "attempts" being done out of impulse is exactly what I'm talking about. It's usually a scream for help. Most of the time they do not have a real desire and conviction to die. That's why most people stick to methods that they know won't actually work and which they can back out of. A young adult swallowing random meds -- probably won't even kill him without intervention -- while his parents are downstairs is not serious. The girl cutting her wrists is going to call for help before she bleeds to death. Those methods are the most common, yet have fatality rates below 10%. That's what makes them appealing.
>a man shoots himself
Some. Yes, most -actual- suicides are done by firearm, but that's only looking at succesful ones.
>rope
You did not want to die. Suicide by hanging has a high succes rate. If you wanted to die you'd have spent a minute looking up how it works. You intentionally didn't do that and left gaps in your knowledge to botch your attempt. Now you use that failed "attempt" as a fashion statement to one-up other zoomers online in the pity Olympics.

Believe me when I say that behind the scenes researchers and practitioners make a distinction between seriously lethal attempts and mere calls for help.

>>81776981 (OP)
Maybe you should find another therapist. Not every therapist is going to be a good match for you. My therapist helps me a lot but I went through two other one before I found her.

>>81778626
You are completely wrong about the distinction between a gesture and an attempt, because impulsivity or proper planning have no bearing on an attempt versus a gesture. Distinction lies only in intention, a gesture is someone intentionally performing an action knowing full well it won't kill them to get support. An attempt is someone performing an action intending for it to kill them, even if that plan is poorly thought out or reckless. Impulsivity or impairment is a factor because it often serves as a catalyst to turn ideation into action.
>Believe me when I say that behind the scenes researchers and...
Which is why models for predicting it don't include substance usage that make people act impulsively, and don't include immediate access to lethal means that can be used without much preparation? Oh wait, they do.
If suicide were limited to only well thought out and researched plans it wouldn't get the amount of attention it does, because it'd be so anomalous. You are classifying most attempts as gestures when that is not the case, and not what the medical establishment says.
>Most of the time they do not have a real desire and conviction to die
No shit; suicide as a whole is classified as that. People in so much suffering they turn to death as a means of escape, they don't actually want to die outside of the rarest extremes.
>fashion statement to one-up other zoomers online
You assume far too much, I am not a zoomer and I can promise that I am older than you. My failure wasn't in me gesturing, it was in the fact intoxication causes people to make errors. Maybe I am talking about this on a pseudo-anonymous image board in a thread about negative psychiatric experiences, because I just wish to vent instead of get pity or attention from people I know? If anything you are moving goalposts to the absolute rarest form of suicide for some bizarre appeal to relative privation, and I hope it isn't some nonsense about only you having experienced "true pain."

>>81779238
One can perform an action and believe that they want to perform such an action without actually being convinced. Think of someone abusing a substance, even tobacco, "quitting" and relapsing a day later many times in a row. There is no true desire to quit there -- there's still something subconsciously tethering them to the substance, or in this case life. The teenager swallowing pills understands that they won't die even if they're highly emotional and their inability to reflect has them convinced that they truly want to leave this world. They've been ideating for a long time before that and most likely already looked up information related to suicide in a depressed mood.

I already acknowledged that a small group of people are capable of making a serious attempt on a whim -- it's not about preparation time. That does not take away from my claim that the vast majority of attempts are done with the knowledge that they'll fail, that they lack the conviction needed to be considered attempts rather than mere gestures. That's obvious; only 1 in 10 succeeds, but it's not as if the act is that difficult.

Can we distinguish gestures from the few serious failed attempts? It's often difficult. If someone was truly unlucky that's one thing, but otherwise you have to wonder to what extent they sabotaged their attempt. In your case you refused to do a minute of research (once again, intentionally even if not sober) to leave room to survive.
>People in so much suffering they turn to death
Most of them don't actually turn to death, because they're gesturing.
>I hope it isn't some nonsense about only you having experienced "true pain."
On the contrary. I'm capable of understanding that suicide is incredibly difficult and that the distance between suicidal ideation and suicide is massive. The only people who truly know how large it actually is are the ones that have succeeded in killing themselves and the ones that had a very unfortunate foiled attempt.

>>81777206
>People who say "just go to therapy" are either ignorant people who don't know anything about how fucked the system is, or just malicious pieces of shit who use the expression as a way to shut you up by making a disingenuous appeal to authority
Mentally ill downers aren't entitled to anything. I WILL tell you to get therapy, because I'm not going to tolerate your toxicity as if I'm your free therapist.
Get therapy, faggot.

>>81776981 (OP)
Find a better therapist.

>>81776981 (OP)
Therapy is useless. If you had a therapist who wasnt a low iq basedboy or a woman it could be useful but that is who goes into the profession.

>>81779444
>If you had a therapist who wasnt a low iq basedboy or a woman it could be useful
Women can be good therapists

stop taking drugs faggot and deal with your illness naturally

>>81779432
Not that anon, but this mindset is what causes many to need therapy in the first place. From my experiences I find that the people who most often aren't even willing to do the bare minimum to show they care about someone down in the dumps, by just saying something nice or hanging out with them are also the first in line to ask for help or use that person's time for their own personal problems. Also the people most likely to equate just being nice to someone as something as laborious as becoming their therapist.

Crystal healing is better than therapy. Equally effective, but different colored crystals on the shelf are way cooler than a row of amber plastic bottles. Also crystals can't make your life worse. The shit they put in the amber plastic bottles are extremely harmful to health and well-being.

>>81779549
If people were just nice to others and showed that they mattered from time to time, then the amount of people getting to the point they feel worthless or hopeless and need therapy would diminish.