Something that I find that isnt discussed often is how mass immigration is in reality a ploy by corporations to give a path to millions of unemployed men across global south. In past unemployed young men usually incurred some sort of revolution or insurgency but with open borders across the west you can leave your shithole in Guatemala to work as a door dash driver in Seattle.


Just look at amount of civil wars in Latin America prior 90s and now theres barely any sort of Marxist uprising in Costa Rica.


Thoughts on my theory?

>>81782850 (OP)
honestly makes sense im latin american and i can tell that all men with above average intelligences and skill end up immigrating
you can't have a revolution led by midwits

>>81782877
Plus of US does deport millions of Latin Americans back to their homeland theyll take their anger out on ruling class of their countries that tend to be US aligned. Do you think Trump admin has thought that far ahead about what millions of unemployed Latinos being shipped back to their countries could mean for region?

>>81782850 (OP)
You wrong. The leftist sentiment is still present in Latin America.
>>81782877
>revolution
The thing is that such idea is retarded.
It is true that everyone leaves. There just isn't a future here if you want to do anything, your talents are wasted here.
>>81782923
>rulling classes
>US aligned.
I'm only talking about presidents here, not the actual people.
Brazil hates the US.
Chile hates the US.
Bolivia hates the US.
Venezuela hates the US.
Argentina likes the US, but only recently, their history is that of animosity.
Peru hates the US.

The thing is that these retards are elected base don the collective sentiment that there's a rulling class that causes their woes. When, in fact, it's these policies that are at fault for most of their suffering.

Only 1/2 things happen when a leftist gets elected
>as he gets to power, he realizes that his ideas can't work and implementing them would lead everything going to shit. So his government is just full of broken promkses and disillusioned voters. Who then vote for someone who makes the same promises in hopes he will actually deliver.
Or
>as he gets to power, he doesn't give a fuck about how destructive the policies are and implements them anyway. The country goes to shit and the people suffer, he has to either retain power by force, or the pendulum effect experienced.

>>81783184
> The leftist sentiment is still present in Latin America.

What would happen if millions more of Latinos with no jobs are sent back to Latin America. Theres not enough jobs or opportunities plus most of key sectors are probably dominated by western corporations. Plus Anti US sentiment would rise in region with China probably trying to spread their influence into region.

Like recently the Trump admin stopped Mexico from allowing China to build a EV factory that wouldve hired thousands but are simultaneously mad about Latinos jumping border to get jobs.

>>81782850 (OP)
>Thoughts on my theory?
But yes, you are correct in that this is not a plot.
While there ARE ideological proponents of the ethics behind mass migration, the reality is that migrants themselves are only motivated by self interest.
>In past unemployed young men usually incurred some sort of revolution or insurgency
the US used to have open borders.
The truth is that most societies in the past, while still somewhat closed off, didn't really control migration and migrated themselves a lot. The distance that people traveled used to be smaller, since they didn't really have the means to go too far.

The reality?
It's not a ploy. It's an ideology that makes it so established countries question the principles under which they were founded. Immigration is not the issue, it's the change of culture brought about ideological transformation. Multiculturalism is an intellectual movement, most of it's detractors don't attack it on it's intellectual merit, but only on the political or racial space. Which is why most of these detractors aren't taken seriously, because they are retarded.
They say things like:
>multiculturalism doesn't work
okay, but why? what is multiculturalism? why doesn't it work? why should we not move towards a multicultural society?
They are incapable of addressing these questions intellectually, so they resort to things like race or ethnicity, which aren't scientific, and thus not to be taken seriously.

>>81783342
I think you went with something to see what sticks and only loosely make it about the thread topic so you can talk about your anti racism fascination.
Ideologues are such a bore.

>>81782850 (OP)
I think it's a secondary effect, not an intentional one. Corporations have nothing to gain by suppressing revolutions in the global south.
The real intention is just to devalue labor in places like the US.

>>81783342
>multiculturalism & science
sociology is not a science

>>81783184
>world becomes neoliberal
>entirety of latam elects radical lefitsts
>latam is still electing radical leftists for 30+ years
latam could've developed like the four asian tigers during neoliberalism but they chose full commie mode instead.
nowadays money is expensive again everyone is poor and they decide to elect right wingers
how can they be so bad with their timings

>>81783389
> secondary effect, not an intentional one. Corporations have nothing to gain by suppressing revolutions in the global south.

Political instability means less markets to sell your stuff to and you wont be able to exploit the resources in area like agricultural, minerals and low cheap labor for factories.

>>81783406
i doubt they're thinking that far ahead anon

>>81783389
>Corporations have nothing to gain by suppressing revolutions in the global south.
I agree that its secondary but they have everything to gain. If something makes production go boom in colombia coffee will become too expensive, a lot of countries produce a lot of minerals for cheap and they'd rather it stay cheap.

>>81782850 (OP)
I am from that shithole, and it's much more simpler OP: educated people want the fancy 1st world lifestyle, so they go there, and some desperate people (with some cash to burn) go north to get shitty jobs in the hope of a better life.

>>81782850 (OP)
wouldn't it be easier to engage in revolution with a portion of the men gone? there would be less people to stop you.

>>81783328
>western corporations
You mean 1st world companies, but this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most countries in Latin America don't have enough economic resources to make these companies on their own, so outside investment is a good thing.
I believe that borders in Latin America are kinda fucked up, because countries don't have enough natural resources to build local industries, and those that do, are very badly managed, such as Venezuela and Bolivia.
>millions of unemployed people come back.
Well, that depends on the groups you are talking about. Those who engaged in criminal activity (other than just border crossing) will probably resort to the same kind of criminal activity in their home country. Perhaps even strengthening local criminal gangs. Those that do have skills might find jobs. I suspect many of them will migrate to the better countries in the region or go to Europe.
>>81783400
>sociology is not a science
I didn't say it was. I said race isn't scientific. It's different.
>>81783370
>fascination
with what?
I simply pointed out the fact that most detractors operate on a level that isn't able to compete. That isn't a defense of multiculturalism, it's just an attack on the detractors.
>>81783389
quite the contrary, they do have incentives, which are to have access to their resources. Why do you think that China has bought the entire region?
That's a terrible analysis.
>>81783405
>The world becomes neoliberal
when?
China isn't neoliberal
Russia isn't neoliberal
before that you had the USSR.
Leftist sentiments are still prevalent everywhere. US interventionism is what kept South America from actually becoming a bunch of communist countries, after 9/11, the US completely forgot about South America and put all their attention on the middle east, and thus the leftist sentiments developed freely.

>>81783516
No since revolutions occur when people are desperate and have no other options.

>>81783540
>it's different
Double measures?

>>81783540
> Those that do have skills might find jobs. I suspect many of them will migrate to the better countries in the region or go to Europe.


Wishful thinking
> who engaged in criminal activity (other than just border crossing) will probably resort to the same kind of criminal activity in their home country.

And enough criminality either leads to Haiti like scenario or Somalia like scenario with organized crime becoming their own countries.

>>81783565
>Wishful thinking
how is that wishful thinking? it's already happening. You think the US is the only country that experiences mass migration?
>>81783565
>And enough criminality either leads to Haiti like scenario or Somalia like scenario with organized crime becoming their own countries.
that depends on the governmental stance against crime. El Salvador is a good example of that can be prevented.
Haiti is the way it is because the gangs replaced the government, this isn't an inevitable thing.

>>81783604
> . El Salvador is a good example of that can be prevented.

Can they imprison Millions or enact a total totalitarian state with what Money?

>>81783405
>latam could've developed like the four asian tigers during neoliberalism but they chose full commie mode instead.
>nowadays money is expensive again everyone is poor and they decide to elect right wingers
>how can they be so bad with their timings
basically, yes. bad timing happened.
But the Japanese economic miracle was thanks to US post-war interventionism.
The US also directly helped South Korea and literally fought a war with them, became their largest client, helped rebuild their economy, etc.
US interventionism also fixed Chile.
>>81783418
They absolutely used to.
And this is why many companies have left the region.
It's also why China is looking to establish control over the region.
>>81783658
what money? what?
Most countries do have the capacity to deal with these gangs. Specially if they aren't already established, as they were in El Salvador.
The problem is that corruption enables gangs to operate more freely and they gain support from the public they pretend to protect, in the same way as Pablo Escobar did in Colombia.
The main opponents to a harder stance against crime are leftoids who cry about the human rights of the prisoners and impose barriers for police and military force to do their jobs.